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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-22

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio syzhthse, shmera, dyo qemata: Th Synqhkh Sengken kai to Sxedio Drashs gia thn apasxolhsh.

* Oson afora to prwto qema, egine enhmerwsh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy apo ton Ypoyrgo Anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy kyriws, kai synarmodioys ypoyrgoys poy parenebhsan, gia tis prwtoboylies poy exoyn analhfqei prokeimenoy na enarmonistoyme me to kaqestws poy problepetai gia thn eleyqerh diakinhsh twn politwn stis xwres ths E. E.

Egine anafora sta problhmata ta opoia prokyptoyn logw ths idiaiterothtas ths xwras mas h opoia exei ektetamena qalassia synora, poy einai poly dyskolo na fylaxtoyn.

Poly syntoma -isws entos toy Febroyarioy- prokeitai na ginei sth Boylh h syzhthsh kai epikyrwsh ths Synqhkhs toy Amsternam. Me thn efarmogh ayths ths Synqhkhs, koinotikopoieitai pleon h politikh Sengken, entassetai, dhladh, h askhsh ths sygkekrimenhs politikhs sta organa ths E. E.

Proxwroyme, beltiwnontas thn ypodomh, ton ejoplismo poy xreiazetai prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy yparxoyn. Elpizoyme, sto telos toy 1999 arxes toy 2000, na exei efarmostei plhrws to systhma poy problepetai sto plaisio ths Synqhkhs Sengken, wste oi polites ths Elladas na mporoyn na kinoyntai se alles xwres ths E. E. xwris na epideiknyoyn diabathrio h alla eggrafa.

* Oson afora to qema ths apasxolhshs -poy einai poly shmantiko kai ycisths proteraiothtas gia thn kybernhsh mas- eishghqhke o armodios Ypoyrgos Ergasias, o opoios enhmerwse gia tis prwtoboylies poy exoyn analhfqei apo to ypoyrgeio. Me parembaseis kai allwn ypoyrgwn oloklhrwqhke h eikona gia to ti exei ginei ston tomea ayto, gia th dhmioyrgia dhladh newn qesewn apasxolhshs.

Menw se ena stoixeio: Me epityxh ton apologismo ths dhmioyrgias 85.000 newn qesewn ergasias kata to 1998, sxediasame thn politikh mas kai eimaste bebaioi oti entos toy 1999 qa dhmioyrghsoyme sthn Ellada kai alles 110.000 nees qeseis apasxolhshs. To pososto anergias sthn Ellada paramenei sta idia epipeda ta teleytaia xronia, Paroysiazei mia ptwtikh tash, ws apotelesma kai twn ychlwn ryqmwn anaptyjhs poy exoyme epityxei. Eimaste katw apo ton koinotiko meso oro. Ayto einai poly shmantiko, poly perissotero an lhfqei ypoch oti sthn Ellada einai poly xamhlo to pososto ths merikhs apasxolhshs, gyrw sto 5%, se antiqesh me to pososto sthn E. E. poy brisketai sto epipedo toy 16%.

Gia thn antimetwpish twn qematwn ths apasxolhshs, mesa sto 1999, qa diateqoyn poroi ycoys 500 dis draxmwn. Ta 300 dis aforoyn th dhmioyrgia qesewn apasxolhshs gia anergoys neoys. Alla shmantika posa aforoyn thn epanakatartish, entos twn epixeirhsewn, stelexwn poy hdh apasxoloyntai, opws kai thn prwtogenh katartish apo ta K. E. K.

Qa moy epitrecete na pw -mias kai deixnoyme idiaitero endiaferon oson afora th dhmioyrgia qesewn apasxolhshs gia anergoys neoys- oti metajy twn eidikwn drasewn stis opoies proxwra to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, einai kai to programma "Neoi sthn Energo Zwh", h efarmogh toy opoioy kata to 1999, qa dhmioyrghsei 60.000 qeseis ergasias gia neoys. Pisteyoyme oti ola ayta, an synektimhqoyn me tis arketes xiliades qeseis ergasias poy dhmioyrgoyntai me thn ektelesh twn megalwn ergwn, ta opoia einai se ejelijh, martyroyn oti to megalo ayto problhma ths anergias antimetwpizetai arketa ikanopoihtika sth xwra mas apo tis politikes gia thn apasxolhsh poy exei anaptyjei h kybernhsh. Elpizoyme -kai asfalws dikaiologeitai aisiodojia- oti thn epomenh periodo, ta pragmata qa einai poly kalytera. Hdh exei beltiwqei h katastash kai qa beltiwqei akomh perissotero.

Eisagwgikws, o Prwqypoyrgos sxoliase qemata ths epikairothtas.

* Anaferqhke sto qema ths Paideias kai twn kinhtopoihsewn sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs. Einai ena qema to opoio brisketai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos kai ths prosoxhs olwn mas. Pisteyoyme, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, oti ta qemata poy exoyn prokycei s' ayton ton tomea, prepei na antimetwpistoyn me dialogo. Einai kati to opoio exoyme tonisei apo thn arxh. H porta toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias einai anoikth sto dialogo, einai anoikth stoys ekpaideytikoys foreis, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn ta qemata poy apasxoloyn thn ekpaideytikh koinothta. H kybernhsh qelei th syzhthsh. Ta sxoleia poy einai kleista prepei n' anoijoyn. Qa prepei kai oi maqhtes poy shmera den didaskontai ta maqhmata toys na epanelqoyn sta sxoleia, opws h megalh pleiochfia twn maqhtwn poy synexizoyn kanonika ta maqhmata toys.

H kybernhsh epibebaiwnei thn empistosynh sto proswpo toy ypoyrgoy Paideias, o opoios exei syneidhsh ths anagkhs na proxwrhsei h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, me tetoio tropo o opoios qa ikanopoiei tis anagkes ths neas genias gia morfwsh kai qa ejasfalizei thn omalh leitoyrgia toy synoloy twn sxoleiwn, xwris koinwnikes entaseis kai antiparaqeseis. Ayth th syneidhsh twn anagkwn, exei kai kaqe melos ths kybernhshs xwrista. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh synexizoyme na poreyomaste.

* O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke kai sthn krish poy exei jespasei sto Kossyfopedio. O fonos 45 atomwn sto Ratzak, apotelei th dysmenesterh ejelijh gia ta qemata toy Kossyfopedioy, to opoio brisketai se synexh anataraxh, edw kai arketo kairo. An kai den exoyn dialeykanqei plhrws oi synqhkes katw apo tis opoies egine ayto to qlibero gegonos, kaneis den mporei na to dikaiologhsei. Pera apo tis eidikoteres synqhkes poy barainoyn toys ektelestes, aytoys poy einai ypaitioi gi` ayto to apotropaio gegonos, eyqynh exoyn -megalyterh h mikroterh- kai oloi ekeinoi poy, me kaqe tropo, symballoyn sto na dhmioyrgeitai ena periballon poy eynoei th synthrhsh ths bias kai ths anomias sthn perioxh. Ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, idiaiterws h parabiash toys, den apoteloyn eswteriko qema mias xwras. Endiaferoyn th Dieqnh Koinothta, mas apasxoloyn oloys. Zhtoyme apo thn kybernhsh toy Beligradioy na labei ola ta aparaithta metra, prokeimenoy na stamathsei ayth h aparadekth katastash. Na entopistoyn oi ypeyqynoi, na syllhfqoyn kai na toys apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. Epishs thn kaloyme na synergastei me th Dieqnh Koinothta, efarmozontas me akribeia kai synepeia tis symfwnies poy h idia exei ypogracei. Einai ena qetiko stoixeio kai to epishmainoyme, to oti kat' arxhn anesteile -emeis pisteyoyme oti prepei olosxerws na anakalesei- to xarakthrismo toy arxhgoy ths apostolhs epalhqeyshs toy OASE, ws "anepiqymhtoy".

Pisteyoyme, akomh, oti den prepei na epitrecei na epanelqoyn sto Kossyfopedio ta strateymata poy eixe aposyrei h kybernhsh toy Beligradioy, me bash th Symfwnia ths 25hs Oktwbrioy 1998.

Kaloyme thn kybernhsh toy Beligradioy na apodexqei th dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Poinikoy Dikasthrioy, kati to opoio h Dieqnhs Koinothta exei hdh apodexqei kai ajiopoiei tis leitoyrgies toy.

Oi qeseis mas aytes exoyn ginei gnwstes apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas sthn kybernhsh ths Neas Gioygkoslabias.

Ws xwra qa laboyme meros stis energeies oi opoies qa apofasistoyn apo Dieqneis Organismoys kai idiaiterws apo thn E. E., gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs sth sygkekrimenh perioxh. Opws epishs qa eimaste parontes kai sto plaisio twn drasthriothtwn poy qa anaptyjei to NATO.

Prepei na poyme oti antimetwpizoyme me epifylajh tis fwnes poy akoygontai teleytaia gia th xrhsh bias h thn analhch prwtoboyliwn gia xersaia epembash sthn perioxh. Ena tetoio endexomeno h Ellada to antimetwpizei arnhtika kai en pash periptwsei den thn afora.

Aytes htan oi eisagwgikes parathrhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

* Na prosqesw, gia thn plhrothta ths enhmerwshs sas, oti epelegh gia thn kalych ths ews shmera kenhs qeshs toy Antiproedroy toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys, o Nomikos Symboylos toy Kratoys k. Eystratios Bolanhs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Qewrei h kybernhsh dedomeno oti prokeitai peri fonwn twn 45 sto Ratzak poy toys ekanan oi Serboi;

REPPAS: Oti prokeitai peri fonwn, peri sfaghs, ayto einai bebaio. Poios einai o ypaitios, einai kati to opoio prepei na diereynhqei peraiterw, prokeimenoy na exoyme ena asfales symperasma.

KIAOS: Exete ypoch sas prosfata dhmosieymata ths MONT kai allwn gallikwn efhmeridwn, me epitopoy reportaz kai me film, poy ekfrazoyn para polla erwthmatika kai katalhgoyn sto symperasma oti meteferqhsan oi nekroi kai entafiasqhkan, apo alla merh kai oti to xwrio ayto, to Ratzak, einai nekro xwrio, akatoikhto, edw kai para poly kairo;

REPPAS: Ayto den shmainei oti den foneyqhkan. Akomh kai an foneyqhkan alloy, exoyme fono, exoyme mia sfagh. Eipa oti prepei na dialeykanqoyn plhrws oi synqhkes, prokeimenoy na exoyme asfales symperasma. Alla, bebaiws, exoyme ena peristatiko to opoio einai apotropaio kai to apodokimazoyme.

KIAOS: Allo pragma na metaferoyn nekroys apo olh th Gioygkoslabia kai na toys baloyn ekei mesa kai allo pragma na qewrhqei oti esfaghsan. Ayta ta erwthmata qetoyn ta reportaz twn efhmeridwn, gi' ayto sas to lew.

REPPAS: Ola ayta einai ypoch mas. To oti yparxei fonos, to oti yparxei sfagh, einai gegonos. To poy egine kai apo poioys egine, prepei na dialeykanqei plhrws. Exoyn diatypwqei ektimhseis kai exoyn gnwstopoihqei diafora senaria. Ayto omws poy exei shmasia, einai na deijoyme oloi ypeyqynh kai koinh stash apenanti se tetoioy eidoys fainomena, ta opoia prepei na katadikazoyme. Ayto exei shmasia. O kaqenas prepei na parei tis eyqynes toy. Gi' ayto xreiazetai na dialeykanqoyn oi synqhkes kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes s' aytoys poy pragmatika tis exoyn.

KIAOS: An skeftetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh na zhthsei, apo toys parathrhtes aytoys toy OASE, th dialeykansh ths ypoqesews, epeidh -kai symfwna me ta reportaz poy yparxoyn- den exoyn dwsei safeis apanthseis kai dinoyn erwthmatika ki aytoi;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema to opoio exei teqei kai apasxolei th Dieqnh Koinothta, toys Dieqneis Organismoys poy asxoloyntai me thn krish.

KIAOS: Otan anafereste sth Dieqnh Koinothta, opws mas eipate, pws prosdiorizete safws ton oro Dieqnhs Koinothta, apo poion Organismo h poioys Organismoys;

REPPAS: Exw milhsei ki alles fores gi` ayto, apantwntas se dikes sas erwthseis. Sygkekrimena exoyme ton Organismo gia thn Asfaleia, th Staqerothta kai thn Eirhnh sthn Eyrwph, thn E. E., to NATO kai, bebaiws, ton OHE kai to Symboylio Asfaleias toy megaloy aytoy Organismoy.

KIAOS: Ws dieqnhs koinoths, poy na epembainei, mporei na qewrhqei to NATO h xreiazetai ws dieqnhs koinothta na einai OHE.

REPPAS: As mhn paizoyme me tis lejeis.

KIAOS: Den paizoyme me tis lejeis.

REPPAS: Bebaia, paizoyme me tis lejeis. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta einai organwmenh se diafora epipeda kai me diaforoys tropoys organwshs. To NATO apotelei mia organwsh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, opoy yparxei kai politikh ekproswphsh twn kratwn-melwn toy.

KIAOS: Mias perioxhs;

REPPAS: Asfalws mias perioxhs. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala oti o OHE kalyptei thn Oikoymenh. Yparxoyn, omws, Organismoi sthn Eyrwph (h opoia -qa elega- einai h plhrestera sygkrothmenh se qesmiko epipedo hpeiro; toy planhth mas) para polloi. Kai oi Organismoi aytoi exoyn diadramatisei poly epoikodomhtiko rolo, mexri twra, stis dieqneis ejelijeis. Mhn to parablepoyme ayto.

KIAOS: Kai h fregata "Kimwn" kai mia deyterh fregata poy etoimazetai, phgainoyn me apofash toy NATO h toy OHE;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ellhniko ploio me thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. To ellhniko ploio, opws kai alla ploia ta opoia anhkoyn stoys stoloys kratwn-melwn toy NATO, brisketai s` ayth th synexh synergasia gia logoys ekpaideytikoys. Einai kati to opoio ginetai synexws. Den einai kati to opoio proekyce ektaktws, logw ths prosfaths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Ola ayta ta ploia pleoyn se ekeinh thn perioxh kai den qa prepei na syndesete thn pleysh toys ayth, me thn krish sto Kossyfopedio. Asfalws, oi naytikes dynameis toy NATO briskontai kaqe stigmh se kapoio shmeio, sto opoio qewroyn oti prepei na briskontai.

KIAOS: Gia poio logo na briskontai;

REPPAS: Qewroyn oti sto plaisio mias askhshs poy kanoyn gia ekpaideytikoys logoys, prepei na briskontai twra se ekeinh thn perioxh. Opws kai alles xronikes periodoys, briskontai se alles perioxes. Den exoyn, ayth thn wra, opoiadhpote parembatikh dynatothta.

KIAOS: Otan eipate oti qa paroyme meros stis energeies, ti ennooysate;

REPPAS: An h E. E. h to NATO, mesw twn Organwn toys, twn Epitropwn toys, twn paragontwn toys poy exoyn sygkekrimenes armodiothtes, asxolhqoyn me to qema, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn sygkekrimenes apofaseis gia thn energopoihsh dynamewn toys kai epembashs sthn perioxh, emeis ekproswpoymaste s` aytoys toys Organismoys, eimaste parontes kai qa diatypwsoyme thn apoch mas kai gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h apoch mas. Gi` ayto ekana thn epishmansh, twra, ek twn proterwn -kai hmoyn safhs- oti, oson afora thn analhch prwtoboyliwn gia xersaia epembash, einai kati to opoio den mas ekfrazei. Eimaste arnhtikoi se mia tetoia ejelijh. Den mas afora.

KIAOS: Bombardismoys apo qalasshs toy Kossyfopedioy, egkrinei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote tetoia apofash. Den eimaste konta se ena tetoio endexomeno. As mhn kanoyme tetoies ypoqeseis.

EYSTAQIOY: Se periptwsh poy apofasistoyn epembaseis, h ellhnikh symmetoxh kai anameijh, poia qa einai; Dhladh, qa diaqesoyme pali baseis, qa symmetasxoyme se aeroporikes epidromes, qa dwsoyme thn Aeroporia, pyrayloys; Poia qa einai h anameijh mas;

REPPAS: Den exei breqei h Ellada, ayth thn wra, antimetwph me sxetika erwthmata h protaseis. Einai poly prowro na poyme otidhpote sxetiko kai malista me tetoia leptomereia san ayth thn opoia epizhteite me thn erwthsh sas.

FILHS: Paramenei h ellhnikh qesh oti opoiadhpote epembash ki an ginei sto Kossyfopedio, prepei na exei prohghqei h symfwnh gnwmh kai h politikh kalych toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE;

REPPAS: Einai mia qesh thn opoia exoyme diatypwsei.

FILHS: Paramenei;

REPPAS: Asfalws, paramenei. Emeis exoyme pei kat` epanalhch, dia stomatos toy k. Pagkaloy, oti kanoyme ejwterikh politikh arxwn.

DHMAKAS: Ti sas kanei k. Ypoyrge, na pairnete apo twra qesh gia mia endexomenh xersaia epembash, h opoia den exei syzhthqei sto NATO, enw den pairnete qesh gia tis aeroporikes kai tis naytikes, oi opoies exoyn syzhthqei. Kai s` ayto den pairnete qesh. Giati, an skotwqei kapoios apo aera h apo sfaira enos pezikarioy, yparxei diafora;

REPPAS: Kamia diafora kai eyxomaste na mhn yparxoyn, pleon, nekroi. H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai h teleytaia poy mporei na kathgorhqei oti epiqymei mia tetoia ejelijh. Asfalws, leitoyrgoyme ws dynamh staqerothtas kai eirhnhs sthn perioxh. To gnwrizete poly kala. S` ayth thn kateyqynsh katateinoyn oles oi prwtoboylies poy exoyme analabei mexri twra kai qa synexisoyme na analambanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, h epembash xersaiwn dynamewn einai kati poy den exei teqei mexri twra. Kai epeidh einai ena qema poy antimetwpizetai gia prwth fora, prepei ki emeis na katasthsoyme safh th qesh mas.

KIAOS: Gia tis alles;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poios htan o tropos emplokhs mas se mia prohgoymenh diadikasia gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Sto idio peripoy plaisio qa kinhqoyme, efoson syntrejoyn oles ekeines oi proypoqeseis poy qewroyme anagkaies gia na analhfqei opoiadhpote drasthriothta.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw prwton, an yparxei kapoia topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to pws qa anoijoyn ta sxoleia. Htan poly genikologh h topoqethsh sas h opoia ginetai kaqhmerina. Deyteron, ti qa ginei me ta sxoleia ekeina poy den leitoyrgoyn kai leitoyrgoyn kai yparxei mia anisothta. Triton, ti nohma exei h dhlwsh sas -kai fantazomai oti einai kai dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio- oti o ypoyrgos Paideias apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs kai exei syneidhsh twn problhmatwn; Dhladh, diatypwqhke apo kapoion ypoyrgo, kybernhtiko boyleyth h stelexos, oti den exei syneidhsh twn problhmatwn; Kai tetarton, yparxei mia topoqethsh ths neolaias PASOK, h opoia zhtaei na anastalei h efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs kai kathgorei thn kybernhsh oti parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis ws parathrhths.

REPPAS: Qesate tessera qemata:

Prwton, to sxolio to opoio ekane o Prwqypoyrgos einai ayto to opoio sas anefera metaferontas to me dikes moy lejeis. Pisteyw, omws, oti exw apodwsei plhrws to pneyma kai to nohma twn oswn eipe.

Deyteron, to qema ths diaforas fashs, thn opoia briskontai apo apoch antagwnistikwn dynatothtwn se morfwtiko epipedo oi maqhtes, oi opoioi den kanoyn katalhceis, se sxesh me aytoys oi opoioi apexoyn apo ta maqhmata toys, einai ena problhma. Gi` ayto akribws, me to pneyma ths erwthshs sas symfwnw apolyta. Kaloyme oloys toys maqhtes na epanelqoyn amesws sta maqhmata toys, prokeimenoy na kalyfqei to keno poy dhmioyrghqhke. O xronos mas epitrepei na kalycoyme ta opoia kena, wste oi maqhtes me ta idia efodia na antimetwpisoyn tis eperxomenes ejetaseis.

Triton, oson afora th syneidhsh twn anagkwn apo ton ypoyrgo Paideias kai ta alla melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, egine mia tetoia anafora ws epanalhch ths aytonohths arxhs, pws oloi exoyme eyqynh, pws oloi eimaste wrimoi, pws oloi exoyme gnwsh twn synqhkwn kai o kaqenas, sto diko toy tomea, kanei to kalytero gia na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy exoyn prokycei. Den einai apanthsh se opoiodhpote erwthma h qema poy teqhke. Einai h epanalhch mias aytonohths alhqeias. Kai,

Tetarton, exoyme xasei polytimo xrono. Qa prepei twra na kalycoyme to xameno edafos. Den einai dynaton problhmata poy eprepe na ta antimetwpisoyme xqes, na mhn ta antimetwpizoyme oyte shmera kai na parapempoyme thn antimetwpish toys sto mellon. Pisteyoyme oti twra einai h wra na proxwrhsei ayth h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, poy einai apolytws aparaithth gia ton topo, gia ta nea paidia, prokeimenoy se ena antagwnistiko dieqnes periballon na mporoyn na diakriqoyn, na exoyn enan prwtagwnistiko rolo kai na mhn paramenoyn sto periqwrio twn dieqnwn ejelijewn.

Ayth einai h filodojia mas gia th nea genia ths patridas mas. Opoioi exoyn diaforetikes apoceis, pisteyoyme oti einai katwteroi twn peristasewn. Den analambanoyn tis eyqynes toys, den antilambanontai oti h Ellada, katw apo ta dedomena poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, den exei thn polyteleia kai to periqwrio na parathrei to xrono na perna. Prepei na ajiopoioyme to xrono. Ki ayto epiqymei na kanei -kai kanei- h kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epi dyo mhnes lete ta idia pragmata: "Kaloyme toys maqhtes na epistrecoyn sta maqhmata toys". Kai oi maqhtes lene pali ta idia: "Emeis den gyrizoyme an den allajei to systhma". Mexri poy qa paei ayth h doyleia. Mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti den exei leicei pantelws h eyqynh apo ekeinoys poy qa prepei na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai na epanelqoyn sta sxoleia. Toys ekpaideytikoys kai toys maqhtes. Aytoys poy sygkrotoyn thn ekpaideytikh koinothta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis lete aytoys aneyqynoys. Aytoi lene esas. Gi` ayto sas erwtw poso qa synexistei akomh;

REPPAS: Se mia dhmokratia o kaqenas exei thn apoch toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai lete "elate na kanoyme dialogo, alla den kanoyme pisw". Ti dialogo qa kanete;

REPPAS: Lypoymai, giati sthn prosklhsh dialogoy poy aphyqyne o Ypoyrgos Paideias, oi apanthseis poy toy dinontai den einai qetikes. To oti yparxoyn dynameis poy anaptyssoyn toys agwnes toys me tetoion tropo, wste na arnoyntai thn prosklhsh dialogoy toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias, den einai kati qetiko kai den einai kai dhmokratiko. To epishmainw, giati pisteyw oti den mas ekfrazei. Den ekfrazei kanenan, oyte esas fantazomai. O dialogos exei thn ajia toy. O Ypoyrgos Paideias kalese toys maqhtes me toys opoioys qa synanthqei ayrio kai pisteyw oti kai oi ekpaideytikoi, h OLME idiaitera, qa antapokriqoyn se sxetikh prosklhsh kai qa synanthsoyn ton Ypoyrgo Paideias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete dialogo kai kalei se dialogo, alla leei oti den allazoyme tipota apo to nomo. Ti dialogo na kanoyn; Gia to nomo qeloyn oi maqhtes kai oi kaqhghtes na koybentiasoyn. Otan lete oti den kanoyme pisw se kanena shmeio toy nomoy aytoy, panw se ti qema qa ginei o dialogos;

REPPAS: Oloys toys problhmatismoys, sxetika me thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, tis apoceis poy exoyn gia ta qemata ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas mporei na ta qesoyn oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas sth synanthsh toys me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias. Den mporei na ta anaferoyn aorista, apofeygontas na synanthsoyn ton Ypoyrgo Paideias. Prepei, loipon, na antapokriqoyn sthn prosklhsh poy toys exei apeyqynqei.

FILHS: Kat` arxhn mia enhmerwtikh erwthsh. Poy qa ginei ayth h synanthsh, prin kleisei to "ranteboy" o k. Arsenhs giati einai polys kosmos sxedon 500 atoma ap` oti katalabainw. Ola ta Lykeia, h OLME. Poy qa ginei ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Pisteyw sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Den gnwrizw kati allo.

FILHS: Anaferqhkate s` ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos oti den prepei na kanoyn alloi ypoyrgoi dhlwseis, sxetika me ta qemata ayta. Eipwqhke ayto to pragma apo ton k. Shmith, xwris na sxoliastoyn oi dhlwseis twn allwn ypoyrgwn; Gia paradeigma, xqes, o k. Pagkalos milhse gia fainomena diafqoras stis sxeseis maqhtwn kai kaqhghtwn kai malista eipe oti ftaine kai oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK k. t. l. Gi` ayta eipe tipota o k. Shmiths;

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths eipe oti ta qemata ta xeirizetai o armodios Ypoyrgos Paideias. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, kaqe ypoyrgos, katw apo thn piesh twn gegonotwn niwqei thn anagkh na ekfrasei th gnwmh toy gia to prakteo. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na mh dysxerainetai h prospaqeia poy kanei o armodios ypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh, dhladh, na antimetwpisoyn kai na epilysoyn ta qemata poy exoyn prokycei.

FILHS: H dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy dysxerainei ayth thn prospaqeia, otan milaei gia fainomena diafqoras stis sxeseis metajy maqhtwn kai kaqhghtwn kai aitiatai kai tis kybernhseis toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Ayto den einai ena kaqoliko fainomeno. O k. Pagkalos milhse gia ena fainomeno to opoio dieyrynetai. Ayth einai h dikh toy ektimhsh, thn opoia prepei na sebastoyme. Egw proswpika th sebomai apolyta. Einai ena fainomeno, to opoio xarakthrizei, se kapoio baqmotis leitoyrgies sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs.

FILHS: Kai apodexeste kai tis eyqynes twn kybernhsewn PASOK gi` ayto to fainomeno;

REPPAS: Otan prokyptoyn problhmata, shmainei oti yparxoyn eyqynes. Oi eyqynes syxna anagontai sto parelqon kai den prokyptoyn aifnidia. Asfalws, oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, sto parelqon, ekanan poly shmantiko ergo kai gi` ayto, allwste, o ellhnikos laos chfise kai janachfise to PASOK gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Polla pragmata qa mporoysan, isws, na ginoyn diaforetika. Den mporoyme, omws, na gyrisoyme to xrono pisw kai na jekinhsoyme pali apo thn arxh, exontas thn empeiria kai thn ej ayths sofia apo to shmantiko ergo poy sto metajy exoyme kanei. Wstoso, to ergo ayto exei tyxei ths epidokimasias toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws -pisteyoyme- qa tyxei ths egkrishs toy ellhnikoy laoy kai to ergo poy ginetai twra.

FILHS: O k. Arsenhs, se kapoia fash twn kinhtopoihsewn, meta tis giortes h prin tis giortes ejedhlwse thn proqesh toy ston Prwqypoyrgo na dieykolynei, paraitoymenos apo thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Oydepote teqhke tetoio qema.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Sthn eisagwgh ths enhmerwshs sas eipate oti h ekpaideytikh politikh ths kybernhshs einai politikh arxwn, politikh gia to mellon. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, to ejhs: Einai mesa stoys problhmatismoys ths kybernhshs na yparjei mia, etsi as to poyme, stadiakh efarmogh ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs me thn anastolh tmhmatwn ths poy prokaloyn ojynseis;

REPPAS: Den antimetwpise tetoio qema h kybernhsh.

EYSTAQIOY: Treis syntomes erwthseis, k. Ypoyrge. Ektos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, milhse kapoios ypoyrgos, eite o k. Arsenhs, gia ta problhmata ths Paideias. Ayto einai to ena. Deyteron, tiqetai qema h skech apo kybernhtikhs pleyras na yparjei epembash twn dynamewn katastolhs, prokeimenoy na anoijoyn oi dromoi h en pash periptwsei oi katalhceis twn dromwn apo maqhtes; Kai triton -isws einai kai ligo asxeto, alla to qetw- mhpws, yparxei eswkommatikh symfwnia Shmith-Arsenh enocei Synedrioy;

REPPAS: Qesate treis erwthseis. Sas apantw: Oxi. Oxi. Oxi.

LIARELLHS: Exei diapistwsei o Prwqypoyrgos ekfrash agwnias ypoyrgwn h allwn stelexwn toy PASOK, h opoia me ton tropo poy egine dysxerane to ergo toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias;

REPPAS: Oxi.

LIARELLHS: Tote giati ekane ayth thn parembash sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti, kat` epanalhch, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferetai, kanontas sxetika sxolia, se qemata epikairothtas. Kai, polles fores, ginetai anafora se qeseis kai arxes poy exoyn genikh isxy kai ajia.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, symfwna me ta osa exete pei h aytonohth alhqeia, oysiastika, taytizetai me th syneidhsh enos ypoyrgoy, en prokeimenw toy k. Arsenh, na kanei dyo pragmata: Na proxwrhsei thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai na ejasfalisei thn omalh leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn, xwris koinwnikes entaseis. Edw kai dyo mhnes, an oxi perissotero, kai ta dyo ayta qemata den ejasfalizontai apo kamia apoch. Kai to erwthma einai poly aplo: Ws pote h hgesia ths kybernhshs qa anexetai stoys kolpoys ths ypoyrgo poy den ejasfalizei aytes tis dyo aytonohtes alhqeies;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh einai sxetika ikanopoihmenh, giati o megalyteros ariqmos twn maqhtwn symmetexei sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia, h opoia askeitai symfwna me ta osa problepei o n. 2525 gia thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish. Pisteyoyme oti einai qema ligoy xronoy kai oi alloi maqhtes kai oi ekpaideytikoi na epanelqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys. Exoyme ta stoixeia, ta opoia dikaiologoyn mia tetoia ektimhsh kai ayto einai poy mas kanei na pisteyoyme oti prepei na synexisoyme s` ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai qa eimaste apolyta ikanopoihmenoi, otan leitoyrghsoyn ola ta sxoleia.

KWSTANTHS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, k. Ypoyrge oti symfwneite me tis xqesines epishmanseis toy k. Pagkaloy. Epeidh, apodidontas eyqynh stis kybernhseis toy PASOK, ennooyse profanws toys Ypoyrgoys Paideias kai epeidh sto parelqon xrhmatise, estw gia mikro xroniko diasthma, Ypoyrgos Paideias kai o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai alla koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs, symfwneite me ayth thn ektimhsh;

REPPAS: Otan milate me ayto ton tropo kai qetete erwthseis einai peripoy san na kathgoreite ton ellhniko lao giati chfise tis kybernhseis toy PASOK, sto parelqon. Ola ayta exoyn kriqei. Egw eipa sthn arxh oti xasame xrono kai prepei na kanoyme pragmata poy qa eprepe sto parelqon na eixan antimetwpistei. Eipa oti proswpika symfwnw me ayth thn parathrhsh, giati pisteyw oti tetoioy eidoys fainomena anqoyn sto xwro ths ekpaideyshs, opws kai se alloys xwroys. Den einai o monadikos. Prepei na eimaste realistes. Gia na mporesoyme na antimetwpisoyme ena problhma qa prepei na exoyme kanei swsth diagnwsh. Na gnwrizoyme poia einai h katastash poy yparxei.

KIAOS: Se ayto poy eipate ki eseis, prohgoymenws, mia dieykrinish. H prosklhsh stoys maqhtes gia dialogo kai gia anoigma twn sxoleiwn einai xwris proapaitoymeno, xwris oroys, etsi opws einai ta pragmata shmera;

REPPAS: Einai safhs kai dhlwtikh twn proqesewn toy h topoqethsh poy ekane o idios o Ypoyrgos Paideias. Qa deite stis xqesines dhlwseis toy pws ejefrase thn elpida oti oi maqhtes kai oi ekpaideytikoi, h OLME, qa proselqoyn, qa ton synanthsoyn kai qa syzhthsoyn mazi toy.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoia programmatismenh synanthsh toy k. Arsenh me ton Prwqypoyrgo to epomeno dihmero;

REPPAS: Den exoyn programmatistei synanthseis metajy twn dyo andrwn. Epikoinwnia, omws, yparxei.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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