BRIEFING 16-01-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 16.1.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. THLEMAXO XYTHRH

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei kai allh epistolh pros ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, epistolh paraithshs, ektos apo ayth poy esteile pros thn Kentrikh Epitroph kai thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada;

XYTHRHS: Oxi. Yparxei mono ayth h epistolh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai pws mporei qesmika na ginei...

XYTHRHS: Yparxei mono ayth h epistolh. Yparxei kai to Proedriko Diatagma, to opoio qa ypografei apo ton Andrea Papandreoy kai qa dhmosieyqei sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews. Kai qa arxisei apo th stigmh ths dhmosieysews, na isxyei to trihmero.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa ypografei to Proedriko Diatagma;

XYTHRHS: Qa ypografei shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia thn epistolh, hqela na rwthsw: Exei ginei laqos sthn hmeromhnia;

XYTHRHS: Nai, egine laqos sthn daktylografhsh.

MIXAHL: Qa mporoysate na dwsete mia ejhghsh ws Kybernhsh, gia to ojymwro poy kata th gnwmh moy yparxei ston tropo ypobolhs ayths ths epistolhs; Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos pairnei entolh apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, synepws opoiadhpote energeia toy paraithshs h adynamias ekteleshs twn kaqhkontwn toy, ofeilei - toylaxiston ayto lene kai oi syntagmatikes diatajeis - thn epistolh ayth na th steilei ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Edw loipon exoyme mia epistolh toy Andrea Papandreoy pros to PASOK kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai aplws enas koinos paralhpths, opws qa mporoyse na htan to oiodhpote stelexos toy PASOK ana thn Ellada. Etsi aploika mporei kaneis na to dei. Synepws, ti ejhghsh dinei h Kybernhsh gi'ayto to ojymwro ths ypobolhs ths paraithshs;

XYTHRHS: Qa sas pw oti af' hs stigmhs ejedhlwqh h asqeneia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, efarmosthkan to Syntagma kai oi nomoi. Kai opws efarmosthkan mexri shmera, etsi efarmozontai kai stis prajeis poy akoloyqoyn tis meres aytes. Epomenws, einai ola syntagmatikotata kai kammia amfibolia den yparxei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den xreiazetai h paraithsh na ypoblhqei ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

XYTHRHS: Sas eipa oti qa yparjei shmera Proedriko Diatagma.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti qa ypografei shmera Proedriko Diatagma. Qa to ypogracoyn, fantazomai, kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias;

XYTHRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa to ypogracei, bebaiws.

FILHS: Kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, alliws den isxyei to Proedriko Diatagma.

XYTHRHS: Nai.

FILHS: Synepws, na ypoqesoyme oti yparxei mia koinh, kata kapoio tropo, diapistwsh paraithsews apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

XYTHRHS: Qa yparjei to keimeno toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos, to opoio kai qa sas gnwstopoihqei.

KIAOS: To keimeno toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos qa omilei peri paraithsews;

XYTHRHS: To keimeno toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos qa ginei gnwsto.

KIAOS: Ti qa leei, ayto sas erwtw.

XYTHRHS: Oriste, o k. Gargalakos.

GARGALAKOS: Giati apofeygetai (ayto poy oysiastika einai paraithsh poy paredwse o Prwqypoyrgos pros thn Kentrikh Epitroph kai thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada) h lejh "paraithsh"; Kai eseis apofygate (na xrhsimopoihsete ayth th lejh). Milhsate gia "gennaia prajh", alla oxi gia "gennaia prajh paraithshs". Giati apofeygetai ayth h lejh, afoy oysiastika prokeitai gia paraithsh;

XYTHRHS: To yfos, to gramma kai h oysia ths epistolhs toy Andrea Papandreoy einai ayto poy einai. Mporeite na to krinete.

KIAOS: Eseis, den to eklambanete ws paraithsh;

XYTHRHS: Einai poly kaqaro kai diayges to gramma ayto. Kai leei ayta ta opoia leei.

FILHS: Ean den einai paraithsh, tote basei toy Syntagmatos prepei na einai "ekleich". Ena apo ta dyo prepei na isxysei. 'H to ena h to allo. Alliws den mporei na yparjei neos Prwqypoyrgos.

XYTHRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy kalei thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada na eklejei Prwqypoyrgo.

FILHS: Sas erwthsa kati kai den moy apanthsate: Me bash to gramma toy nomoy, toy Syntagmatos poy mas talaipwrhse epi dyo mhnes, o Prwqypoyrgos h paraiteitai h ekleipei gia na energopoihqei h diadikasia toy syntagmatikoy arqroy ekloghs neoy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eseis o idios ta exete pei. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei twra; Ekleich h paraithsh;

XYTHRHS: Qa yparjei Proedriko Diatagma.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta thn epistolh paraithshs toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy, o k. Papandreoy qa diathrhsei to boyleytiko toy ajiwma h qa paraithqei kai apo ayto;

XYTHRHS: O k. Papandreoy diathrei to boyleytiko ajiwma. Allh erwthsh;

MIXAHL: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, na ypoqesoyme oti me kapoio tropo poy qa synapodexqoyn oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK, qa ekfrasqei kai h gnwmh toy Andrea Papandreoy kata thn chfoforia sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada gia thn eklogh neoy Prwqypoyrgoy;

XYTHRHS: Anaferesqe sthn chfoforia sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

MIXAHL: Bebaia.

XYTHRHS: Einai mystikh chfoforia kai o kaqe boyleyths chfizei.

MIXAHL: Ean to Proedreio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai an qelete kai oi ypoloipoi boyleytes (oi 169) poyn oti dexomaste emeis apo ton Andrea Papandreoy na mas thn steilei thn chfo toy (na poyn dhladh oi boyleytes toy PASOK "emeis to dexomaste, einai eswterikh ypoqesh toy kommatos mas") ayto shmainei: Qa to prajei o Andreas Papandreoy;

XYTHRHS: Den to gnwrizw kaqoloy. Einai kati to ypoqetiko, ayto to opoio lete.

MIXAHL: Den qa exei gnwmh, poios qa einai ypochfios, o k. Papandreoy;

XYTHRHS: Den yparxei dhlwsh prin apo thn chfoforia. H chfoforia einai mystikh kai o kaqe boyleyths chfizei. H ypoqesh poy kanete, einai monon ypoqesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi chfofories einai mystikes, alla eiqistai sth Boylh, otan ginontai mystikes chfofories, na stelnei o boyleyths mia epistolh kai na leei oti "an hmoyn ekei, qa chfiza ayton". Ayto qa ginei twra;

XYTHRHS: Sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada einai diaforetika. Kai en pash periptwsei sas eipa oti den jerw.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Papandreoy paramenei Proedros toy PASOK. Apo to Syntagma exei orismenes armodiothtes. Dhladh, mporei na syntassei th lista twn ypochfiwn boyleytwn. Erwtw loipon: O k. Papandreoy, en eyqetw xronw kai an anarrwsei, mporei - as poyme - na diekdikhsei kai pali thn prwqypoyrgia;

XYTHRHS: O k. Papandreoy einai Proedros toy PASOK. Kai epomenws, einai hgeths toy kommatos mas.

MOYRTZHS: Poy shmainei;

XYTHRHS: Apo ekei kai pera, eyxomeqa na ginei grhgora kala sthn ygeia toy, wste na mporei na antapejelqei sta kaqhkonta poy exei h qesh ayth toy Proedroy toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ayto poy lete, paei me th dhlwsh poy kanate oti "h politikh den teleiwse".

XYTHRHS: To "den teleiwse" einai geniko. Einai mia genikh qesh.

GARGALAKOS: Sthn epistolh paraithshs toy, o Prwqypoyrgos milaei gia thn anagkaiothta h Kentrikh Epitroph na prosdiorisei thn syntetagmenh poreia toy PASOK pros to Synedrio. Zhtaei, dhladh, apo thn Kentrikh Epitroph na orisei to erxomeno Synedrio. Epomenws, mhpws apo ayth th rhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy prokyptei oti protiqetai na apoxwrhsei kai apo thn Proedria toy PASOK;

XYTHRHS: Otan qa ginei to Synedrio; Einai poly nwris gia na pei kaneis ti qa ginei sto Synedrio toy PASOK. Kat'arxhn, prepei na orisqei pote qa ginei to Synedrio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla protrepei omws.

XYTHRHS: Ayto, oytws h allws, qa ginotan. H Kentrikh Epitroph kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio sthn teleytaia apofash toy - an thn diabasete - milaei kai gia Synedrio. Den exei orisqei bebaiws, qa orisqei apo thn Kentrikh Epitroph: eite apo aythn poy qa pragmatopoihqei twra, eite apo thn epomenh (thn meqepomenh dhladh), pote qa ginei to Synedrio.

FILHS: Antimetwpizetai to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn;

XYTHRHS: Oxi. Aytos einai enas tyxodiwktismos, ton opoio presbeyei o k. Ebert. Ayton toylaxiston ypokryptoyn oi mexri twra dhlwseis toy, den gnwrizw thn teleytaia dhlwsh toy shmera. Alla pisteyw oti ayth einai mia qesh ths Antipoliteyshs kai epanalambanw oti einai mia tyxodiwktikh qesh. Yparxoyn dyo xronia akoma, dyo xronia dhmioyrgika. H Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh toy PASOK. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths tetraetias kai to apotelesma mporw na sas to pw, opws sas exw janapei.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na sas rwthsw: H Kybernhsh ensternizetai thn apoch toy k. Giannh Xaralampopoyloy, symfwna me thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos poy qa eklegei, qa einai metabatikos;

XYTHRHS: H Kybernhsh den sxoliazei kai oyte mporei na sxoliazei tis dhlwseis, poy qa yparjoyn polles aytes tis meres, dedomenoy oti yparxoyn kapoies diadikasies. H qesh ths Kybernhshs kai h dikh moy einai na mhn sxoliazei tis diafores dhlwseis kai na mhn epembainei stis diadikasies aytes, oi opoies prepei kai qa einai acoges.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poios epeise ton Prwqypoyrgo na paraithqei; H xqesinh sas synanthsh me ton k. Libanh kai me thn ka Papandreoy;

XYTHRHS: Sas eixa pei edw kai alles fores, oti o Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnotan. Kai sas eixa pei gia ta kairia qemata poy enhmerwnotan, kaqws kai gia to eswteriko problhma, gia thn Kentrikh Epitroph, gia thn protash momfhs. Gia ola htan enhmeros. Kai oi syzhthseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo eixan telika thn apokoryfwsh th xqesinh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, otan erwthqhkate prohgoymenws sxetika me thn anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn protroph toy mallon sto keimeno toy gia th diejagwgh Synedrioy, eipate oti to Synedrio, oytws h allws, qa ginotan dioti yphrxe h apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Ennoeite, dhladh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos eyreqh pro tetelesmenoy kai phre kat'anagkhn, proxwrhse dhladh sth diatypwsh...

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den ennow ayto. To "oytws h allws" einai epeidh yparxei ena Synedrio mprosta, toy PASOK, to opoio qa apofasisqei apo thn Kentrikh Epitroph, pote qa ginei.

KAMPRAS: Mas eipate prohgoymenws, oti o k. Papandreoy qa diathrhsei th boyleytikh toy edra, qa einai kai Proedros toy Kinhmatos. Ierarxika, poios einai anwteros twra se ena komma; O Proedros toy Kinhmatos kai boyleyths h o Prwqypoyrgos;

XYTHRHS: Ti ennoeite; Allo to ena, allo to allo.

KAMPRAS: Exei shmasia, apo th stigmh poy einai kybernwn komma.

XYTHRHS: Einai diaforetiko to ena, diaforetiko to allo.

KAMPRAS: Dhladh, diekdikwntas kai symfwna me to Katastatiko toy PASOK, o neos Prwqypoyrgos den exei ta prosonta toy k. Papandreoy, poy einai kai Proedros toy Kommatos. Etsi den einai;

XYTHRHS: Ti ennoeite; Na kanoyme sygkrish poios exei ta prosonta toy Andrea Papandreoy h tis qeseis;

KOYIN: Dhladh o k. Papandreoy, ws arxhgos toy Kinhmatos, qa diathrei thn arxhgia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas sth Boylh;

XYTHRHS: Qa throyntai panta o,ti lene kai oi nomoi kai to katastatiko.

KAMPRAS: Einai diaforetiko k. Ypoyrge...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei problhma armodiothtwn, dioti oi ekloges, oso kai an qelete na lete oti einai makria, den einai toso makria. Sthn periptwsh poy to PASOK qa parei thn entolh, poios qa parei thn entolh; O Proedros toy kommatos h o Prwqypoyrgos;

XYTHRHS: Eseis pate poly makria. Oi ekloges qa ginoyn se dyo xronia. Alla me ayta poy lete phgainete makria, dioti kanate tis ekloges, bghke kai to apotelesma kai ftasame kai sthn entolh. Twra omws exoyme Koinoboyleytikh Omada gia na eklejoyme ton kainoyrgio Prwqypoyrgo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Giwrgos Papandreoy shmera afhse anoikto to endexomeno epistrofhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta kaqhkonta toy, efoson qa toy to epetrepe h ygeia toy kai to zhtoysan ta melh toy kommatos. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

XYTHRHS: Den yparxei sxolio, yparxei pantote ayth h dynatothta, qewrhtika.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei dhladh h dynatothta na janadoyme Prwqypoyrgo ton Andrea Papandreoy;

XYTHRHS: O Andreas Papandreoy einai o hgeths, o Proedros toy PASOK.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia istorikoys logoys, qa mporoysate na mas enhmerwsete poios egrace to keimeno ayto me to opoio o Prwqypoyrgos oysiastika paraiteitai; Kai akoma: yparxei mia dhlwsh toy k. Laliwth poy ejairei, kata kapoio tropo, to rolo toy k. Libanh kai to rolo to diko sas. Giati ayth h dhlwsh; Mhpws eisastan kai eseis apo toys syntaktes;

XYTHRHS: Kat' arxhn o Prwqypoyrgos edwse thn entolh na grafei ena keimeno kai mas eipe pws hqele to keimeno ayto. Mia kai milate gia istorikoys logoys, mporw na pw oti o kyrios syntakths toy keimenoy htan o Nikos Aqanasakhs, o Yfypoyrgos Typoy me th synergasia, bebaiws, toso th dikh moy, oso kai toy k. Libanh.

BAREMENOS: Wste o k. Aqanasakhs egrace thn epistolh! Gi' ayto mas enhmerwse xqes analytika... Hqela na mas peite kai epishmws, poioi htan mprosta thn wra poy ypegrafe o k. Papandreoy.

XYTHRHS: Otan ypegrace o k. Papandreoy mprosta htan apo toys politikoys o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, o k. Libanhs, o k. Giwrgos Papandreoy, o k. Laliwths kai o ypofainomenos.

BAREMENOS: H syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan;

XYTHRHS: Nai, htan kai h syzygos toy k. Papandreoy...

BAREMENOS: Htan mprosta sthn ypografh;

XYTHRHS: Nai, mprosta. Htan kai oi giatroi, o k. Kremastinos, o k. Stefanhs, o k. Skalkeas, o k. Roysos kai o k. Golemaths.

BAREMENOS: Na rwthsw kati kyrie Ypoyrge;

XYTHRHS: Parakalw.

BAREMENOS: H paroysia twn giatrwn ekriqh anagkaia gia na apofanqoyn an o Prwqypoyrgos einai se qesh... Pws na to pw;

XYTHRHS: Katalabainw ti qelete na peite. Den yphrxe tetoio qema, oytws h allws. Den yphrxe tetoio qema. Se kaqe periptwsh hmaste parontes aytoi poy sas eipa.

SOYGLERHS: Se treis hmeres qa exoyme to neo Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras. H Kybernhsh mhpws qelei na steilei kapoio mhnyma stoys ypochfioys diadoxoys toy k. Papandreoy;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, asfalws h Kybernhsh. Ayto to mhnyma qa einai sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. To mhnyma periexetai sthn epistolh toy Proedroy mas, toy Andrea Papandreoy.

FILHS: Eidame oti stis krisimes synanthseis kai kyriws sthn teleytaia synanthsh, pareyreqh- ke kai h syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa hqela ena politiko sxolio, mia ajiologhsh gia to rolo poy diadramatise h ka Lianh - Papandreoy sthn toso krisimh ayth energeia toy Prwqypoyr- goy na paraithqei.

XYTHRHS: To oti htan paroysa h ka Papandreoy deixnei oti ayth thn periodo, thn krisimh - opws lete - periodo, synebale kai h idia sthn apofash toy k. Papandreoy. Allh erwthsh;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi.

XYTHRHS: Hqela na sas pw kai na sas eyxaristhsw...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den qa eimaste ayrio;

XYTHRHS: Edw qa eimaste. H Kybernhsh yparxei kai leitoyrgei. Alla hqela na sas eyxaristhsw dioti olo ayto ton kairo me to Wnaseio kai thn enhmerwsh poy ginotan, yphrjan yperboles, opws jerete oloi sas, yphrjan paraleiceis, yphrjan kai laqh, alla prepei na eyxaristhsw genikotera kai na pw oti krathqhke h olh istoria se ena poly kalo klima, edw sto briefing. Kai ayto xarin kai se sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Ayrio poy exei Kentrikh Epitroph, poy qa kanoyme briefing;

XYTHRHS: H enhmerwsh qa ginei meta thn Kentrikh Epitroph sto jenodoxeio KARABEL.

Eyxaristw.