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BRIEFING 96-02-01

Greek Government Press Release Directory

From: Hellenic Ministry of Press <pegasus@compulink.gr>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 1.2.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

Kalhmera sas, kalo mhna! Na proxwrhsoyme amesws sth syzhthsh mas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Qa mporoysate na mas peite ti syzhthsan shmera o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh h opoia egine, aforoyse tis trexoyses ejelijeis. Den htan programmati- smenh, den eixe sygkekrimenh "atzenta" kai egine aplws me thn aformh ths metabashs sto Proedriko Megaro toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy, logw ths orkwmosias ths kyrias Basws Papandreoy.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta kai tis teleytaies ejelijeis, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh epimenei sthn politikh toy epoikismoy twn braxonhsidwn toy Aigaioy;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh toy PASOK einai h prwth Ellhnikh Kybernhsh h opoia exei epixeirhsei na anaptyjei kai na sygkrothsei ena ejeidikeymeno programma gia thn ajiopoihsh nhsidwn sto Aigaio Pelagos. To programma ayto sas einai gnwsto. Perissoteres leptomereies mporeite na plhroforhqeite apo to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy kai to programma ayto einai se ejelijh.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw: Pote qa anarthqei h ellhnikh shmaia sthn Imia;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti oles oi apanthseis sto qema ayto sas exoyn doqei me kaqe leptomereia. Kai en pash periptwsei, parakalw, tetoioy eidoys qemata na ta antimetwpizoyme me thn deoysa sobarothta, makrya apo toys peirasmoys dhmioyrgias entypwsewn.

MARDAS: Qa hqela, parakalw, na stamathsete ayth th diaqesh parathrhsewn poy exete, oson afora tis ypoballomenes erwthseis, oson afora to yfos twn erwthsewn.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw kyrie Marda...

MARDAS: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ypoyrge, alla h erwthsh einai para poly sobarh kai aphxei thn agwnia olwn twn Ellhnwn.

REPPAS: Jerete ti lete kyrie Marda twra;

MARDAS: Qa arxisw kai egw, na me sygxwreite, opws kai eseis...

REPPAS: Sas parakalw! Eseis qa krinete thn apanthsh moy, opws eseis nomizete. Egw den qa epibalw kanenan periorismo sthn krish thn opoia qa kanete. Alla nomizw oti an syzhtoyme s'ayto to epipedo, adikoyme kai toys Ellhnes polites giati oysiastikws mporw na ypoqesw, einai san na leme oti epi tosa xronia - 48 poy einai ypo thn kyriarxia mas ayta ta nhsia kai den yphrxe ekei h ellhnikh shmaia - oi Ellhnes polites den eixan agwnia gia thn tyxh aytwn twn nhsiwn. Parakalw, na mhn mpoyme se mia tetoia syzhthsh.

MARDAS: Egw sas parakalw!

REPPAS: Apanthsa hdh, kyrie Marda. Allh erwthsh;

MARDAS: Ma, den oloklhrwsa kyrie Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: Parakalw, den exw ayth thn diaqesh, alla prepei kai eseis na antilambanesqe ti sas apantw, opws kai egw antilambanomai tis erwthseis sas.

MARDAS: Jekinate me eristikh apanthsh...

REPPAS: Kammia eristikh apanthsh.

MARDAS: H erwthsh moy ypoballetai, dioti h anarthsh ths ellhnikhs shmaias apotelei praktikh ekdhlwsh epishmopoihshs ths eqnikhs kyriarxias. Qelw loipon na rwthsw: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh thn apoch boyleytwn toy PASOK kai sygkekrimena toy k. Berybakh, poy leei oti meta to epeisodio exoyme periorismo toy kyriarxikoy dikaiwmatos stis braxonhsides.

REPPAS: Einai jekaqarh h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs oti eixe kai exei ola ta nomika kai pragmatika epixeirhmata na askei ta kyriarxika ths dikaiwmata s'ayta ta nhsia. Ta eixe kai ta exei. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

MARDAS: Kai pote qa to ekdhlwsei ayto to dikaiwma;

REPPAS: Qa to ekdhlwsei otan h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh krinei oti etsi prepei na prajei. Kai prepei na sas pw oti ta eqnika symbola ta perifroyroyme, ta prostateyoyme apo opoiesdhpo- te prosboles kai en pash periptwsei, oi xeirismoi epi tetoiwn qematwn - epanalambanw kai pali - prepei na meinoyn makrya apo toys peirasmoys dhmioyrgias entypwsewn.

FILHS: Synafhs erwthsh: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Qeodwros Pagkalos, milwntas xqes sth Boylh, eipe epi lejei: "Mporei opoios qelei, na shkwsei th shmaia sth braxonhsida Imia. Den to symboyleyw bebaia ayto. Mporei omws". Erwtw: Isxyei ayth h topoqethsh toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin, kyrie Filh. Kai eipa oti h Ellada askoyse kai askei ta kyriarxika ths dikaiwmata kai sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

FILHS: Den ennow thn Kybernhsh epishmws.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos ayto akribws eipe.

FILHS: O k. Pagkalos eipe "opoios qelei, mporei na shkwsei thn ellhnikh shmaia sthn Imia. Den to symboyleyw. Mporei omws". Egw, gia paradeigma, mporw me taxyploo skafos na paw kai na shkwsw thn ellhnikh shmaia sth braxonhsida;

REPPAS: Den mporw na jerw ean eseis mporeite na pate. Eseis to jerete.

FILHS: Yparxoyn entoles parempodishs tetoiwn energeiwn;

REPPAS: Kammia tetoia entolh den yparxei. To symperasma diko sas.

KAMPRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ean h Kybernhsh qewrei petyxhmenh thn politikh ths panw s'ayto to qema kai deyteron, ean einai eyxaristhmenh apo thn telikh ekbash twn pragmatwn.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh pisteyei oti oi xeirismoi poy eginan htan acogoi. Staqhkame sto ycos twn peristasewn. Petyxame af'enos na epibebaiwqei h kyriarxia ths Ellados epi twn sygkekrimenwn edafwn, kai af'eteroy na antimetwpisoyme tis ej antikeimenoy yfistamenes pieseis na erqoyme se mia synennohsh, enan apeyqeias dialogo me thn allh pleyra, gia ta qemata ta opoia, kata thn allh pleyra, apoteloyn kai to antikeimeno twn diaforwn mas. Pisteyw loipon oti oi xeirismoi htan apotelesmatikoi. Epanhlqame s'ena kaqestws, to opoio epibebaiwnei nomika kai politika kai pragmatika thn kyriarxia th dikh mas epi toy sygkekrime- noy edafikoy xwroy.
-Kai na moy epitrecete na pw oti apenanti s'aytoys toys xeirismoys, toys poly leptoys, poy me synesh kai apofasistikothta ekane h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, eidame thn antidrash ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs kai toy k. Ebert, gia thn opoia hqela na kanw kapoio sxolio me thn eykairia ayth:
* Pisteyw oti o k. Ebert proshlqe xqes sth Boylh me mia ek promeleths syntagh, skhnoqethse ton eayto toy se mia parastash patridokaphleias sto rolo toy yperpatriwth. Kai ayto apodeiknyetai me to oti prin kan akoysei thn anaptyjh twn epixeirhmatwn apo toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, proebh s'aythn thn apofash - thn opoia ejhggeile - apoxwrhshs toy kommatos toy apo th Boylh. Pisteyw oti to ekane gia na kerdisei entypwseis kai mono, feromenos apolytws aneyqyna. Eytyxws gia thn Ellada, dystyxws gia ton idio (alla ayto emas, den mas endiaferei) kerdise pontoys mono sto xrhmatisthrio ths politikhs anajiothtas o arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs kai hdh apajiwmenhs antipoliteyshs.
* Pisteyw kai pali oti h Kybernhsh staqhke sto ycos twn peristasewn. Kai kalei olo ton politiko kosmo me synaisqhsh eyqynhs na antapokriqoyme sto aithma toy ellhnikoy laoy, to opoio einai pagio kai diarkes: Dhladh, na yperaspisqoyme ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. H Kybernhsh, pisteyw, oti epetyxe apolyta toys stoxoys ths me toys xeirismoys, toys opoioys ekane.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mono ton k. Ebert eidate sth Boylh na tassetai enantion twn xeirismwn ths Kybernhsews; Mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs sas bghkan kai kathgorhsan alloys synadelfoys toys Ypoyrgoys gia toys xeirismoys. Mesa sth Boylh, o k. Drosogiannhs kai o k. Mpantoybas kai alloi - boyleytes toy PASOK - pali kathgorhsan thn Kybernhsh gia toys xeirismoys ths. Mono h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh einai ayth poy ekane patridokaphleia;

REPPAS: Yparxei mia megalh diafora: Oti sta plaisia enos dialogoy ekfrazontai oi apoceis me proqesh toy ekfrazomenoy kaqe fora na syneisferei sth sygkrothsh ths plhresterhs kai eqnika pleon wfelimhs qeshs. H Nea Dhmokratia arnhqhke na analabei ayth thn eyqynh. Kai ayto einai poy thn diaforopoiei apo thn stash olwn twn allwn.
* Sto sygkekrimeno erwthma sas: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ekfrasqhke - prepei na sas pw kai eimai kathgorhmatikos s'ayto - h symfwnia kai h allhleggyh pros thn Kybernhsh kai idiaitera pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ta melh toy KYSEA, olwn twn melwn ths Kybernhshs pros toys xeirismoys, stoys opoioys o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta melh toy KYSEA proebhsan. Ayto to tonizw kathgorhmatika. Af'eteroy, prepei na pw, oti kai me th diadikasia ths chfoy empistosynhs, h Kybernhsh apedeije oti exei thn eyrytath synainesh kai sthrizetai se mia megalh koinoboyley- tikh pleiochfia, wste aproskopta na mporei na synexisei to ergo ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Benizelos, o k. Tzoymakas, o k. Peponhs, o k. Kastanidhs, o k. Laliwths mesa sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio diaforopoihqhkan. Den enekrinan toys xeirismoys. "Allhleggyh sthn Kybernhsh, nai - eipan - qa syzhthsoyme argotera toys xeirismoys", prosqesan. Ayta eipan oi Ypoyrgoi poy anefera sth xqesinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

REPPAS: Sas diabebaiwnw - epeidh hmoyn parwn sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai qa moy epitrecete na milhsw ws martys alhqeias - oti (peran twn oswn apanthsa prin) kai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai sto KYSEA h apofash htan omofwnh, h opoia elhfqh.

KAMPRAS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, syggnwmh, mas lene cemmata kapoioi synadelfoi sas, oti epekrinan thn Kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Den mporw na krinw o,ti lene "kapoioi".

KAMPRAS: Syggnwmh, h qa pistecoyme esas h qa pistecoyme ekeinoys. Enan apo toys dyo.

REPPAS: Poioi einai oi "kapoioi"...

KAMPRAS: Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi symmeteixan sto xqesino Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

REPPAS: Poioi, kyrie Kampra;

KAMPRAS: Den mporw na pw ta onomata toys twra.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw, sas parakalw! Oriste, o k. Moyrtzhs.

MOYRTZHS: Ean mporeite kyrie Ekproswpe na sxoliasete thn eikona toy k. Pagkaloy, o opoios symmeteixe se krisimes wres se ena "talk-show" kai plhroforhqhke apo ton paroysiasth ston aera oti ton anazhtei o Prwqypoyrgos. Mporeite na moy sxoliasete thn eikona;

REPPAS: Mporw na sxoliasw, poly apla, ws ejhs to qema to opoio qesate: O k. Pagkalos qewrhse oti ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eixe xreos me thn paroysia toy se mia ekpomph eyrytaths thleqeashs kai akroamatikothtas na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao gia tis qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai gia to dikaio aytwn twn qesewn.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ypoyrge, eixe symbolaio me to MEGA o k. Pagkalos;

REPPAS: Oi Ypoyrgoi den exoyn symbolaio me kanenan, para monon hqiko kai politiko symbolaio me ton ellhniko lao poy toys anadeiknyei, kyrie Filh. Me kanenan allon.

FILHS: Qa eprepe o k. Pagkalos, ean hqele na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao, opws mas lete, na kalesei toys dhmosiografoys kai na dwsei synenteyjh Typoy kai oxi na paroysiazei thn eikona poy mas paroysiase...

REPPAS: Epanalambanw, kyrie Filh: Me kanenan allon den exoyn symbolaio oi politikoi. Den einai ergazomenoi sta Tameia oioydhpote. Exoyn symbolaio mono, hqiko kai politiko, me ton ellhniko lao poy toys anadeiknyei. Oriste, o k. Baremenos.

BAREMENOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas kanw mia poly aplh erwthsh: Ton ellhniko lao ton katexei ena aisqhma lyphs, an oxi tapeinwshs. Eseis edw, mas perigracate toys kybernhtikoys xeirismoys ws apotelesmatikoys, epidejioys kai den qymamai poio allo xarakthrismo. Telika, ti; Adynatei o ellhnikos laos na parakoloyqhsei thn epidejiothta kai thn apotelesmatikothta ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Egw pisteyw oti akribws ayto poy egine tis meres poy prohghqhkan se sxesh me thn ellhnotoyrkikh krish einai h epibebaiwsh ths politikhs mas oti den exoyme na syzhthsoyme epi opoioydhpote alloy qematos me thn allh pleyra, para mono gia to gnwsto qema, to nomiko problhma ths yfalokrhpidas. Qesh sthn opoia paramenoyme. Kai prepei ayto na einai apolytws safes, giati erxetai sth synexeia - qa elega - mias kritikhs poy epi xronia polla askeitai, apo to 1974, peri "meiodotikwn politikwn" kai opws blepete, meta apo tosa xronia, paramenoyme staqeroi se mia tetoia qesh. Den exei allajei tipote af'enos, af'eteroy qa hqela na pw pws ypo to baros kai th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn twn "show", ta opoia ta toyrkika kanalia, kata tropo tritokosmiko - as moy epitrapei na pw - probalan tis kinhseis twn dynamewn ths Toyrkias, ypo to baros aytwn twn entypwsewn, emeis den qa eprepe - pisteyw - na proseggisoyme ena qema eqniko, idiaitera krisimo. Qa prepei cyxraima, me synesh, me aytosygkrathsh, alla taytoxrona me emmonh stis gnwstes diakhrygmenes qeseis mas, alla kai me apofasistikothta na antimetwpizoyme ayta ta qemata. Kai egw pisteyw oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ekane ayto akribws. Den paradoqhke dhladh ston peirasmo twn entypwsewn, alla xeiristhke ena poly krisimo qema poy apaitoyse me idiaitera eyaisqhto tropo na to xeirisqei kapoios, wste na exoyme ta kalytera dynata apotelesmata. Kai nomizw oti ta eixame.

KIAOS: O k. Xolmproyk erxetai stis 10 Febroyarioy sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den yparxei symfwnhmenh kai sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. An yparjei, qa enhmerwqeite leptomerws. Gia tis 10 Febroyarioy to lete eseis, to jerete, den to jerw. Alla ej oswn gnwrizw, prepei na sas pw oti den yparxei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia pros anakoinwsh.

KIAOS: Pantws, anamenetai kapoia mera na erqei. Ti qa syzhthsei epi toy qematos me thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati gia to opoio qa milhsoyme otan epistei h stigmh ths episkechs ayths. Sas lew omws kai pali oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei gnwstes kai dedomenes qeseis kai den einai diateqeimenh na mpei se qemata ta opoia qewrei oti den yfistantai en eidei problhmatos metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias.

KIAOS: Epeidh einai h synexeia twn syzhthsewn (9 fores eipe o k. Pagkalos oti eixe thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me ton k. Xolmproyk) den exei synexeia meta tis 9 aytes thlefwnikes epikoinwnies; Poio einai to qema;

REPPAS: Fantazomai oti oi ajiwmatoyxoi, me tis idies armodiothtes se kaqe xwra, exoyn mia epikoinwnia mazi toys gia qemata ta opoia prokyptoyn kai aforoyn tis dyo xwres. Fantazomai loipon oti mporei na yparxei kai allh thlefwnikh epikoinwnia. Den to gnwrizw, einai omws kati poy den to apokleiw. Kai eseis to briskete poly fysiko na symbainei.

KIAOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ennow ta epomena bhmata meta tis 9 aytes thlefwnikes epikoinwnies, ta opoia qa ta syzhthsei edw, poia einai; H Kybernhsh, poia qewrei "epomena bhmata" gia na syzhthsei me ton k. Xolmproyk, o opoios erxetai edw ws mesolabhths, ws den jerw ti;

REPPAS: An yparjei - epanalambanw - ayth h episkech, kai prokycei qema syzhthsewn ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs me thn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh mesw toy k. Xolmproyk kai twn Ellhnwn ajiwmatoyxwn, qa syzhthsoyme sygkekrimena. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ayto poy prospaqei na kanei einai na proetoimasqei akomh kalytera wste na probalei to dikaio twn ellhnikwn qesewn.

KIAOS: O k. Xolmproyk eipe epishs gia kapoia proqesmia dyo wrwn poy eqese h Toyrkia pros thn Ellada...

REPPAS: Den yparxei kammia proqesmia. Aplws, gia na mhn yparxoyn paranohseis, qa moy epitrecete na pw - ej oswn gnwrizw - eprepe otan jekinhse h diadikasia ths apemplokhs, na orisqei kai kapoios xronos, mesa ston opoio kai oi dyo pleyres qa eprepe na aposyroyn tis dynameis toys. Ma, an ayto eixe to nohma proqesmias h oroy...

KAMPRAS: 'H telesigrafoy.

REPPAS:... h "telesigrafoy", opws to lete, qa eprepe na exei ypokeimeno th mia pleyra kai na afora thn allh pleyra mono. Ma, o xronos aytos orisqhke gia na aposyroyn kai oi dyo pleyres tis dynameis toys. Ara, den isxyei ayto to opoio eipate.

KARASABA: O k. Xolmproyk milhse gia amerikanikh epithrhsh ws pros thn apoxwrhsh twn ellhnikwn kai toyrkikwn dynamewn. Ayth h amerikanikh epithrhsh ejakoloyqei akomh kai twra na yparxei;

REPPAS: Hdh, meta thn apemplokh exoyme mpei se mia fash hremias kai staqerothtas. Den nomizw oti yparxei "epithrhsh", me thn ennoia oti den yphrxe epithrhsh oyte kai tis wres ths krishs. Aplws, epeidh oi dyo pleyres den eixan, gia logoys epilogwn dikwn toys...

KARASABA: Ma, kyrie Ypoyrge, ton oro "epithrhsh" den xrhsimopoiw egw. Ton xrhsimopoihse o idios o k. Xolmproyk stis dhlwseis toy.

REPPAS: Egw milw gia thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Ayth einai dikh mas epilogh, h opoia paramenei staqerh. H dynatothta epikoinwnias me thn allh pleyra...

KARASABA: Yphrje, kyrie Ypoyrge, amerikanikh epithrhsh me amerikanika aeroskafh...

REPPAS: Sas epanalambanw: Den qa elega oti einai "epithrhsh". Dynameis twn Enoplwn Dynamewn twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn yparxoyn se perioxes perij ths Ellados kai ths Toyrkias. Den qa elega, omws, oti ayto apotelei "epithrhsh", opws to xarakthrisate eseis.

KARASABA: Den to xarakthrisa egw, to xarakthrizei o k. Xolmproyk.

REPPAS: Kai egw sas lew oti den eixe to nohma ths "epithrhshs". Aplws, oi Hnwmenes Politeies epaijan ena mesolabhtiko rolo, wste na yparjei ayth h synennohsh twn dyo pleyrwn thn wra ths krishs kai na odhghqoyme sthn apemplokh.

KARASABA: Yparxoyn twra ta amerikanika aeroskafh sto sygkekrimeno xwro;

REPPAS: Ennoeite, ean petoyn amerikanika aeroskafh ekei;

KARASABA: Ean ejakoloyqoyn na epithroyn thn katastash ayth th stigmh.

REPPAS: Sas lew oti den yparxei diadikasia epithrhshs apo opoiadhpote allh xwra - kai apo tis Hnwmenes Politeies - giati yparxei hremia kai staqerothta. Den yparxei, oxi.

MARDAS: Yparxei.

REPPAS: Den yparxei, oxi. Ej oswn gnwrizw egw, den yparxei. Alla mporw na plhroforhqw leptomereies gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai na sas apanthsw argotera. Epanalambanw: Ej oswn gnwrizw egw, den yparxei. Oriste, h kyria Poylidoy, h opoia mexri stigmhs den exei rwthsei.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na sas rwthsw: Para ta osa eipate, kai o k. Xolmproyk kai o k. Nails xqes eipan oti h epikeimenh episkech toy k. Xolmproyk sthn Aqhna den exei allo antikeimeno, pera apo ta qemata toy Aigaioy logw ths prosfaths krishs. H Kybernhsh, epomenws, me ayto to dedomeno, dexetai ayton ton dialogo; Kai einai eyprosdektos o k. Xolmproyk; 'H antiproteinei allh "atzenta" kai poia;

REPPAS: Ean yparjei synennohsh kai yparjei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia gia thn episkech toy k. Xolmproyk, opws epishs kai o kaqorismos ths "atzentas" poy qa perilambanei ta qemata ta opoia qa apasxolhsoyn tis syzhthseis poy qa exei edw o k. Xolmproyk, qa milhsoyme - epanalambanw - pio ektetamena. Egw sas lew oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den dexetai na syzhthsei qemata ta opoia synistoyn kata thn ekdoxh opoioydhpote alloy, problhmata metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias sto Aigaio. Giati kaq'hmas den yparxei kanena problhma, peran ths yfalokrhpidas, opws eipa kai prin.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ton oro twn dyo wrwn...

REPPAS: Den xrhsimopoihsa egw tis lejeis "oros" h "proqesmia" h "telesigrafo".

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pantws, oi dyo wres eteqhsan eite ypo thn ennoia ths "proqesmias", eite ypo thn ennoia enos "oroy". Eipate loipon oti aforoyse kai tis dyo pleyres. To erwthma moy loipon einai: To eqese h kyria Tsiler kai to apodexqhkame, nai h oxi; Kai to deytero erwthma: Kanate polles fores logo shmera gia staqerothta stis ellhnikes qeseis.

REPPAS: Nai, milhsa gia thn emmonh mas stis ellhnikes qeseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poia staqerothta yparxei otan o idios o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwnei oti h ellhnikh shmaia qa parameinei anarthmenh kai emeis oi idioi thn ypostelloyme;

REPPAS: Epanerxomai loipon kai lew oti: To xroniko orio mesa sto opoio eprepe na oloklhrwqoyn oi kinhseis wste na odhghqoyme sthn apemplokh, einai ena xroniko orio poy mporoyse na teqei mesw twn synennohsewn, oi opoies diejhgonto me th mesolabhsh toy amerikanikoy paragonta. Mporei na htan mia wra, mporei na htan dyo wres, gnwrizw oti htan...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw edw: To eqese h kyria Tsiler;

REPPAS: Oxi, den to eqese h kyria Tsiler.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den to eqese;

REPPAS: Asfalws oxi. Asfalws oxi. Den to syzhtoyme ayto. Loipon, sas lew plhroforiakws oti to diasthma ayto kriqhke pws eprepe na einai ena xroniko diasthma dyo - dyomish wrwn kai telikws prosdioristhke oti eprepe na einai to diasthma metajy 6hs prwinhs kai 8.30 prwinhs, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia.

KIAOS: Dhladh dyomish wres.

REPPAS: Dyomish wres. Sto qema ths shmaias, sas apanthsa hdh. Kai sas lew oti ta eqnika symbola, to kratos ta xrhsimopoiei etsi wste kai na ta profylassei apo opoiadhpote prosbolh kai den epitrepei na ginontai ta eqnika symbola antikeimeno sta xeria opoiwn ta xrhsimopoioyn mono kai mono gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Mia tetoia politikh entypwsewn, emas den mas briskei symfwnoys. Oriste, o k. Liaros.

LIAROS: Mhpws gnwrizete giati anablhqhke h programmatismenh episkech toy k. Shmith sto "Wnaseio"; Dedomenoy malista oti eixan lhfqei metra asfaleias, phgan kapoioi andres ths asfaleias - ej oswn gnwrizw - ston 6o orofo toy "Wnaseioy" kai ekei diapistwsan oti den prokeitai na ginei h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy PASOK. Yphrje kapoios logos gia thn anabolh ths synanthshs;

REPPAS: Den yphrje programmatismenh synanthsh.

LIAROS: Ma, sas anefera sygkekrimena peristatika, opws th lhch metrwn asfaleias k.lp.

REPPAS: Sas lew oti epeidh akribws hmoyn kai egw dekths enos tetoioy erwthmatos, apo to prwi, apo synadelfoys sas, oti tetoio endexomeno den yphrxe, gia ton poly aplo logo oti den yphrje opoiadhpote synennohsh gia mia tetoia episkech. Apla, eikazw, kanw thn ypoqesh - parakalw mhn thn ajiologhsete - oti epeidh shmera egine h orkwmosia ths kyrias Basws Papandreoy ws Ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs, mhpws dhmioyrghqhke kapoia paranohsh ej aytoy toy logoy, me ta dyo omoia epiqeta (Andreas Papandreoy - Basw Papandreoy) mhpws dhladh qewrhsan oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa paei "ston Papandreoy". Den yphrje, pantws, opoiadhpote prosynennohsh h opoiadhpote "anixneytikh" (as to pw etsi) proseggish, wste na pame se mia episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Proedro toy PASOK. Den yphrje kan kapoia tetoia skech, wste shmera na ginei mia tetoia synanthsh. Oriste, o k. Moyrths, poy den exei rwthsei.

MOYRTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poia wra peripoy h ellhnikh pleyra plhroforhqhke ta ths apobashs twn Toyrkwn "komantos" sth braxonhsida kai poia wra entopisthkan apo tis ellhnikes dynameis;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti gi'ayta ta qemata exete ektetamenh enhmerwsh apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas. Eipa kai xqes, se mia syntomh dhlwsh poy ekana kai epanalambanw kai shmera, an gia to sygkekrimeno qema yparxoyn eyqynes (giati ginetai mia sxetikh ereyna, opws exei anakoinwsei kai o armodios Ypoyrgos), oi eyqynes aytes qa apodoqoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto idio qema: H stratiwtikh hgesia apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H stratiwtikh hgesia apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths Kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den qa yparjoyn allages dhladh;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra, h stratiwtikh hgesia apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths Kybernhshs. Otan milate gia to endexomeno na yparjoyn allages, milate gia pragmata, ta opoia prepei na mas katasthsoyn oloys mellontologoys, prokeimenoy na ta proseggisoyme.

SOYGLERHS: Den yparxei paraithsh toy k. Lymperh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei paraithsh toy k. Lymperh.

BAREMENOS: Den yphrje;

REPPAS: O k. Lymperhs meteixe sto KYSEA, eixe oysiastikh symmetoxh sth diejaxqeisa syzhthsh. Kai sthn ejetash ths katastashs, sto plaisio ayths ths synedriashs, o k. Lymperhs aneptyje ta epixeirhmata toy. Kai prepei na sas pw oti o k.Lymperhs, sthn syzhthsh ayth, entopise poies htan oi adynamies se kaqe xeirismo kai anelabe tis opoies eyqynes poy mporoyn na prokyptoyn apo toys xeirismoys poy eginan apo pleyras toy. Sas epanalambanw: O Arxhgos GEEQA Nayarxos Xrhstos Lymperhs apolambanei ths empistosynhs ths Kybernhshs. Oriste o k. Takhs Mpermperakhs.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh exoyn perasei para polles hmeres, mhpws twra mporeite na mas peite ean ekeinh h mystikh syskech toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me toys kyrioys Pagkalo kai Geitona, aforoyse to qema ths braxonhsidas Imia;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h synanthsh ekeinh gia thn opoia exoyme hdh milhsei kai exoyme apanthsei epaneilhmmenws se ena erwthma poy piestika eseis o idios qesate kat'epanalhch, htan mia synanthsh poy aforoyse trexonta qemata. Oxi, den aforoyse to qema ths krishs stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Oriste, o k. Mixahl.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dexqhkate mia kritikh apo ton k. Ebert, dexqhkate omws ws Kybernhsh kai kritikh apo arketoys boyleytes toy PASOK kai entos ths Boylhs, gia to gegonos oti thn krisimh wra poy eprepe na parqei h apofash (dhladh h synexizoyme thn emplokh h dexomaste thn apemplokh) den sygkalesate oyte Symboylio Arxhgwn (na zhthsete dhladh apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias na to sygkalesei) oyte Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oyte thn idia th Boylh. Prwton, giati den to kanate; Kai deyteron, qa hqela na plhroforhqw ean eixate ypoch enallaktikes lyseis poy sas proteine o k. Arsenhs sth synedriash toy KYSEA - opws o idios isxyristhke xqes - legontas oti hdh eixate prosanatolisqei ola ta alla melh toy KYSEA (kai o idios bebaiws meta symfwnhse) sthn apemplokh poy htan mia politikh diadikasia.

REPPAS: Opws gnwrizete, egw den symmetexw sto KYSEA. Gia na mhn yparjei paranohsh, sas to lew ayto, eyqys ej arxhs. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw kai pali kathgorhmatikws oti h apofash toy KYSEA htan omofwnh apofash. To Symboylio politikwn Arxhgwn den einai ena qesmopoihmeno organo. Synerxetai gia na ekfrasoyn th gnwmh toys oi symmetexontes s'ayto. Tis apofaseis, omws, lambanei h Kybernhsh kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema, tis armodiothtes tis exei to qesmoqethmeno organo poy sas einai gnwsto ws KYSEA. Kai prepei na sas pw oti kai kata thn krish toy Martioy toy '87 den syneklhqh to Symboylio politikwn Arxhgwn, giati tote eprepe na lhfqoyn apofaseis. Kai twra, epeidh eprepe na lhfqoyn apofaseis, tis apofaseis aytes klhqhke na labei to KYSEA, opws problepetai apo toys keimenoys nomoys. Kai ayto egine.

MIXAHL: Wraia, den krinate skopimo - epeidh akribws eprepe na lhfqoyn apofaseis - na sygkalesete to Symboylio politikwn Arxhgwn. Omws, giati den epikoinwnhsate me oloys toys politikoys Arxhgoys, na plhroforhqeite tis gnwmes toys kai meta na pate sto KYSEA na labete tis apofaseis sas ws ypeyqynh Kybernhsh. To lew ayto, giati o k. Ebert bgainei kai leei - kai mexri stigmhs den exei diaceysqei - oti ton enhmerwsate xqes, stis 6.00 to prwi, otan pleon arxise h apemplokh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: ... kai mesw tritoy.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw - to eipe o k. Pagkalos allwste kai th dikh toy apanthsh xrhsimopoiw - oti o k. Ebert enhmerwnetai mesw toy k. Petroynakoy. Htan enhmerwmenos. Oriste, o k. Mardas.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxoyn plhrofories oti to elikoptero epese meta apo parembolh hlektronikwn antimetrwn. Qelw na sxoliasete thn plhroforia h na epibebaiwsete, ean isxyei h plhroforia oti ta antimetra ayta ejeporeyqhsan apo amerikaniko aeroskafos poy kanei pthseis apo th Soyda h apo Abaj toy Aktioy;

REPPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia oi ekdoxes tis opoies anaferete. To elikoptero epese epeidh akribws paroysiase ayth th blabh kai yphrje kai to problhma ygeias - proskairo estw, alla telikws dysmenes, qanathforo - gia ton piloto.

KAMPRAS: Ma yphrxe sygkybernhths, poy blepei ta idia organa.

REPPAS: Ayta ginontai, omws, mesa se elaxisto xrono. Kai, dystyxws, den yphrje dynatothta antidrashs.

MARDAS: Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws gia thn epithrhsh toy xwroy ths Krhths apo amerikanika aeroskafh, protiqetai h Kybernhsh na kanei xrhsh ths diatajhs sthn isxyoysa symfwnia twn basewn, poy dinei to dikaiwma epiqewrhshs twn egkatastasewn, meta apo eikositetrawrh proeidopoihsh, wste na gnwrizei h Kybernhsh to programma pthsewn twn amerikanikwn aeroskafwn;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh kanei ta panta kai lambanei ola ta metra, wste na proaspisei ta eqnika mas symferonta. Sta plaisia ayta qa asxolhqei h Kybernhsh me o,tidhpote exei sxesei ws pros thn apotelesmatikoterh yperaspish aytwn twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Tipota den apokleietai. Alla tipota den einai apofasismeno.

BAREMENOS: Qelw na kanw treis erwthseis: Prwton, o k. Xolmproyk leei oti oi Toyrkoi apeilhsan oti se syntomo xroniko diasthma qa apobibasoyn kai sth braxonhsida opoy briskontan oi Ellhnes, stratiwtes. Kai oti meta apo ayto, o k. Klinton thlefwnhse ston k. Shmith.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

BAREMENOS: H erwthsh einai: Isxyei ayto; Toy metefere o k. Klinton toy k. Shmith thn apeilh twn Toyrkwn oti "apobibazomaste opoy na 'nai kai sth braxonhsida poy briskontai oi Ellhnes";

REPPAS: O k. Klinton h h amerikanikh pleyra en tw synolw ths (mesw toy k. Klinton kai twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn) eixe ekeinh thn prwtoboylia na epikoinwnhsei me thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na prosferei tis yphresies ths se epipedo diamesolabhshs, wste na yparjei epikoinwnia kai synennohsh me thn allh pleyra. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio qesate, prepei na pw oti oydemia tetoia qesh en eidei apeilhs ths allhs pleyras metefere o k. Klinton h allos Ypoyrgos. Aplws, proseferan ton eayto toys - qa elega - ws eniameso, ws "taxydromo" twn apocewn ths mias pleyras pros thn allh.

BAREMENOS: Deyteron, apo kykloys toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs legetai oti meta thn apobash twn Toyrkwn komantos, paroysiasthkan sxedia apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs gia thn amesh ekkenwsh ths braxonhsidas apo toys Toyrkoys komantos, alla den elhfqh h politikh apofash. Endexomenws, lew, an isxyei ayto; Kai an isxyei, den elhfqh apofash epeidh fobhqhkame genikoterh anaflejh;

REPPAS: To qema einai to ejhs: ayth h proseggish, h apobibash twn Toyrkwn komantos sto mikro ayto nhsaki egine parepimptontws, enw hdh eixe jekinhsei - qa elega - mia synennohsh wste na pame se mia diadikasia apemplokhs, apomakrynshs twn dynamewn ths mias pleyras apo tis dynameis ths allhs pleyras. Den ephrease thn ejelijh twn syzhthsewn ayto to gegonos. Kai en pash periptwsei, epanerxomai kai pali sto oti: oi xeirismoi poy eginan kai oi apofaseis poy elhfqhsan sto KYSEA htan omofwnes.

BAREMENOS: Kai mia teleytaia erwthsh: Ektos apo thn apoch ths Kybernhshs, poy qewrei "epityxhmenoys" toys xeirismoys ths, yparxei mia genikoterh - oxi mono sto eswteriko, alla kai sto ejwteriko - entypwsh oti h Ellada einai h xamenh ths ypoqesews. Me bash ayto, mporeite na moy ejhghsete, giati o k. Shmiths eyxaristhse toys Amerikanoys;

REPPAS: H erwthsh poia einai;

BAREMENOS: Den toys eyxaristhsan oyte kan oi Toyrkoi, poy sto katw-katw qa eixan kai ypoxrewsh oi anqrwpoi na to kanoyn...

REPPAS: Ena mikro sxolio apla qa kanw: oti kaqe allo para dikaiologhmenh einai h entypwsh ayth, h opoia exei epikrathsei se eyryteroys kykloys. Oti h Ellada einai h xamenh ths ypoqeshs", kaqe allo. Isa-isa epanhlqame se ena kaqestws, opoy - opws eipa kai sthn arxh - ta nomika kai pragmatika epixeirhmata einai mazi mas. Exoyme epibebaiwsh twn nomikwn epixeirhmatwn me th synhgoria kai ths Italias, opws gnwrizete.
-Leei pleon to Italiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn oti "pragmati h Symfwnia ths 28hs Oktwbrioy toy 1932 den htan aparaithto na prwtokollhqei, giati htan symparaxwroymeno ths Symfwnias poy eixe prwtokollhqei ths 4hs Ianoyarioy toy 1932".
-Exoyme tis qeseis eyrwpaiwn paragontwn epikefalhs shmantikwn organwn - sthn Koinoboyleytikh Syneleysh toy NATO, ths Proedroy ths Sosialistikhs Omadas sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, toy Proedroy ths COMMISSION - poy edwsan apolyto dikio stis ellhnikes qeseis kai xarakthrisan thn Ellada ws exoysa me to meros ths to dikio kai thn kyriarxia epi toy sygkekrimenoy xwroy.
-Kai en pash periptwsei, qa moy epitrecete na pw, pws an me diadikasies paraplhroforhshs h propagandas h entypwsiasmoy, h Toyrkia, kata tritokosmiko tropo kai diadikasia hqele na prosanatolisei h na dwsei xara sto lao ths, xwris omws na yparxei to antistoixo oysiastiko antikrysma, emeis mia tetoia politikh den thn pisteyoyme kai den prokeitai na thn akoloyqhsoy- me. Dexomai, omws, oti prepei na ergasqoyme pio entatika. Prepei na ergasqoyme poly perissotero, wste na ftasoyme kapoia stigmh na exoyme kalytera apotelesmata kai se ayto to epipedo.

BAREMENOS: Sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs moy den apanthsate.

REPPAS: H anafora toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy den htan tipota allo, para eixe na kanei me thn epishmansh, an qelete, h thn anagnwrish toy diamesolabhtikoy roloy twn HPA. Enos roloy krisimoy kai xrhsimoy - qa moy epitrecete na pw - sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Giati - opws katalabainete - an dyo pleyres den syzhtoyn, den synennooyntai apeyqeias panta xreiazetai o xrhsimos kai wfelimos "tritos", o opoios qa bohqhsei wste na antallassontai oi apoceis kai na anazhteitai kai na brisketai h lysh poy prepei na doqei. Kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh ayto to rolo ton epaijan oi HPA.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se poion anaferotan o Prwqypoyrgos kata thn omilia toy sth Boylh, otan elege oti "edwse entoles poy den ejetelesqhsan";

REPPAS: Nomizw oti to qema ayto afora akribws - kai milhsa kai egw o idios prin moy qesete thn erwthsh - xeirismoys poy eginan kata tropo poy mporei na dhmioyrghse kapoia problhmata: opws einai h apobash twn komantos, opws einai h mh ekdiwjh toys amesws, o egkairos entopismos toys. Alla epanalambanw kai pali, an gia ola ayta yparxei eyqynh, h eyqynh qa apodoqei. Einai antikeimeno ereynas, poy - opws sas anakoinwse kai o armodios Ypoyrgos - einai se ejelijh.

SOYRMELH: Sxetika me tis antidraseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, apeyqynqhkate sthn Italikh Proedria, eixate apo thn Italia kapoia apanthsh eite symparastashs eite ermhneias twn Symfwniwn toy 1932;

REPPAS: Oi xeirismoi poy kaname emeis, asfalws, anaptyxqhkan kai se diplwmatiko epipedo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kalesame oloys toys Presbeis twn xwrwn ths Enwmenhs Eyrwphs kai toys enhmerwsame gia tis qeseis mas. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema idiaiterws poy me rwtate, anefera molis prin oti h Italia, epishmws, dia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ths diabebaiwnei: Oti pragmati oi ellhnikes qeseis einai oi qeseis oi opoies einai oi swstes. Oti h Ellada exei thn kyriarxia kai ta ej ayths dikaiwmata sto sygkekrimeno xwro. Kai ayto mas ikanopoiei.

KAMPOYRGIANH: O k. Xolmproyk sto NATIONAL PRESS CLUB eipe oti metabainei sthn perioxh meta apo aithma ton dyo kybernhsewn. Pote qesame paromoio aithma;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti den exei ypoblhqei apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kanena tetoio aithma.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Skeftetai h Kybernhsh na zhthsei na sygklhqei to Symboylio twn Arxhgwn twn Kommatwn h kapoio eyrytero tetoio organo en ocei kai kainoyrgiwn, isws, dedomenwn;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti h Kybernhsh qa kanei mia ektimhsh kai apotimhsh ths katastashs. Kai bebaiws, qa sygkrothsei ena sxedio, mesa sto opoio den apokleietai tipota. Alla ayth thn wra den einai tipota apofasismeno.

KIAOS: Epeidh prohgoymenws miloysate gia to elikoptero, anaferqhkate se logoys ygeias toy xeiristh...

REPPAS: Einai ayth h zalh, o labyrinqos, to "bertiko" poy leme.

KIAOS: Den yphrje kati allo, stigmiaio...

REPPAS: Oxi. Gi' ayto eipa oti htan stigmiaio, alla dysmenes, qanathforo gia ton piloto.

LIAROS: Epikalesqhkate th qetikh apanthsh yper twn aithmatwn mas ths Italikhs Kybernhshs. Mhpws ta pragmata qa htan entelws diaforetika, ean eixe zhthqei ayth h apoch me thn prwth amfisbhthsh poy ekanan oi Toyrkoi; Den lew stis 26 toy mhnos, otan prosaraje to forthgo. Sto prwto diabhma poy egine apo toyrkikhs pleyras.

REPPAS: Qa sas pw oti oi ellhnikes yphresies kinhqhkan oso taxytera mporoysan kai thn apanthsh thn eixame, otan bebaiws kai oi Italoi ekrinan oti htan etoimoi na thn dwsoyn. Kai thn edwsan th stigmh poy thn edwsan.

LIAROS: Pote th zhthsame;

REPPAS: Ej arxhs. Ej arxhs mphke qema. Mhn jexnate, oti to symban ayto egine protoy sygkrothqei kai yparjei h shmerinh Kybernhsh me tis protaseis ths.

LIAROS: Kybernhsh toy PASOK htan kai prin.

REPPAS: Asfalws kai htan Kybernhsh toy PASOK. Kai eimaste Kybernhsh synexeias kai analambanoyme tis eyqynes gia o,ti prohgoymeno. Den apopoioymeqa tis eyqynes mas. Alla, bebaiws, prepei na sas pw oti, otan emeis qetoyme ena qema pros mia allh pleyra, einai pia sthn epilogh ths allhs pleyras na antapokriqei me toys ryqmoys poy ekeinh prokrinei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ekqeiasate thn parembash kai th symbolh ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs...

REPPAS: Den thn ekqeiasa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei kai o Prwqypoyrgos apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs...

REPPAS: Den thn ekqeiasa. Apla thn epeshmana. Parakalw. Eipate oti "ekqeiasate". Synexiste thn erwthsh sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ejhrate loipon.

REPPAS: Oyte kan thn ejhra. Apla th shmeiwsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis, loipon, shmeiwsate thn amerikanikh symbolh, opws kai o Prwqypoyr- gos apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs kata th xqesinh omilia toy. Taytoxronws, omws, parathroyme oti h Kybernhsh diaceydei sxedon ej oloklhroy tis dhlwseis toy Amerikanoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, toy k. Xolmproyk. Diaceydei h Kybernhsh oti eteqh qema amoibaias ypostolhs twn shmaiwn. To dieceyse o k. Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, enw o k. Xolmproyk to eixe anaferei. Etsi den einai;

REPPAS: Oloklhrwste thn erwthsh sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apantwntas se allh erwthsh oti den exei dikio o k. Xolmproyk, otan leei oti meta apo aithma twn dyo Kybernhsewn erxetai sthn Aqhna.

REPPAS: Den yparxei aithma apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kati poy dhlwse o k. Xolmproyk. Dhladh to diaceydete. Kai triton, prohgoymenws, apantwntas sthn erwthsh toy k. Baremenoy, eipate kati poly shmantiko, kata th gnwmh moy. Anadeijate mia sobarh ptyxh: oti, dhladh, h apobash twn Toyrkwn egine parempiptontws kai den ephrease thn ejelijh twn syzhthsewn. Epi lejei eipate ayto, enw o k. Xolmproyk eipe oti h syzhthsh katelhje se symfwnia gia amoibaia apoxwrhsh twn dynamewn kai twn dyo xwrwn.

REPPAS: Nai. Poia einai h antifash poy diapistwnete;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis loipon lete oti oi syzhthseis den ephreasthkan apo thn apobash twn toyrkikwn strateymatwn. Dhladh, den yphrje kan qema gia thn apoxwrhsh toys.

REPPAS: Akoyste, exw apanthsei se ola ta qemata, ta opoia qesate. Alla gia na mhn qewrhqei oti ypekfeygw, epanerxomai kai lew poly apla kai syntoma ta ejhs: oti h epixeirhsh ayth, isws, eixe nohma mono gia thn toyrkikh koinwnia gia logoys entypwsiasmoy. Etsi kai alliws, sta plaisia twn synennohsewn gia thn apemplokh qa eixame apoxwrhsh kai aytwn twn dynamewn. An exoyn ginei, epanalambanw, gia to sygkekrimeno qema - gia na deite poso plhrhs qelw na eimai - laqos xeirismoi kai yparxoyn eyqynes, einai qema ereynas poy einai se ejelijh, kai oi eyqynes qa apodoqoyn. Apanthsa kai s' ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Allo einai ayto.

REPPAS: Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na sas pw oti o k. Xolmproyk exei dwsei polles synenteyjeis. Exei pei, leptomeriaka an krinoyme tis apanthseis toy, diaforetika pragmata se diaforetikes synenteyjeis. Ayto sto opoio menw egw twra...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma einai oysiwdes...

REPPAS: ...kai eimai, nomizw, poly safhs, exei na kanei me to oti:
-Prwton,den yparxei aithma apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. An yparjei sygkekrimenh kai symfwnhmenh hmeromhnia, qa enhmerwqeite kai qa syzhthsoyme sygkekrimena, tote.
-Deyteron, oti den yphrje kanenas oros. Kai sto qema ths shmaias, poy apanthsa polles fores, epanerxomai apla kai mono gia na pw oti o k. Xolmproyk, isws, anaferetai sthn telikh katastash. Den anaferetai m' ayto poy leei sto oti ws proypoqesh etiqeto o oros twn shmaiwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Symfwnhsame se ayto;

REPPAS: Anaferqhke sthn telikh katastash. Epanhlqame, dhladh, sto prohgoymeno kaqestws, opoy kai tote den yphrxan shmaies. Ayth einai h apanthsh.

KAKKABAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo th stash twn etairwn mas sto NATO kai sthn EOK gia to sygkekrimeno qema;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh - epanalambanw kai pali - enhmerwse me kaqe leptomereia toys diplwmates twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai qewrei oti o,ti kalytero mporoysan na kanoyn oi xwres aytes, afoy eixan enhmerwqei apo toys Presbeis toys, to ekanan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti zhtoyntai eyqynes - an yparxoyn - stoys stratiwtikoys xeirismoys.

REPPAS: Se xeirismoys, eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se xeirismoys. O Prwqypoyrgos einai eyxaristhmenos apo toys xeirismoys twn kyriwn Arsenh kai Pagkaloy kai qa meinoyn stis qeseis toys;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos asfalws kai einai eyxaristhmenos, afoy oi apofaseis sto KYSEA, sto opoio symmeteixan kai oi dyo Ypoyrgoi - opws eipa - einai omofwnes, poy shmainei oti breqhkan se symptwsh apocewn kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi dyo Ypoyrgoi.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws - kai to epanalabate kiolas - oti ereynatai, ean orismenes entoles poy doqhkan ejetelesqhkan. Yphrxe entolh apo thn politikh hgesia pros th stratiwtikh hgesia gia amesh apomakrynsh twn Toyrkwn apo th braxonhsida;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw kai pali: Gia to olo qema poy afora olh ayth thn krish, alla kai gia ta epimeroys qemata - kai ena ap' ayta ta epimeroys qemata, giati qelw na eimai safhs, einai: prwton h proseggish kai apoxwrhsh twn Toyrkwn sth nhsida, deyteron o entopismos toys kai triton, h apomakrynsh toys - ta pragmata ejetazontai. Kai an pragmatika prokycei oti yparxoyn eyqynes, oi eyqynes qa apodoqoyn s' aytoys poy tis exoyn.

FILHS: Anejarthtws toy ti qa prokycei apo thn ereyna, erwtw: H politikh hgesia, to KYSEA eixe dwsei entolh gia amesh apomakrynsh twn Toyrkwn apo th braxonhsida;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta exw apanthsei hdh, kyrie Filh, me leptomereies kai parakalw otan yparjoyn ta porismata twn ereynwn, gia tis opoies milhse o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas, qa exoyme th dynatothta na milhsoyme me perissoteres leptomereies.

FILHS: Mia allh erwthsh, paremferhs: Eipate nwritera oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qa labei ta endedeigmena metra, wste to eqniko symbolo, h shmaia, na mh ginei antikeimeno entypwsewn. Poia qa einai ayta ta endedeigmena metra;

REPPAS: Apla htan ena poly aplo sxolio. Oti epi 48 xronia den kymatizan oi ellhnikes shmaies se ayta ta nhsia. Kai den yphrje kanena problhma. Nomizw, loipon, oti sto plaisio ths syzhthshs, thn opoia einai diateqeimenh h Kybernhsh na jekinhsei, wste na sygkrothsoyme mia politikh, me eqnikh strathgikh, qa doyme kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema, ti einai to pleon apotelesmatiko na kanoyme. Kai na eiste sigoyroi oti qa to kanoyme.

SOYRMELH: Mia dieykrinish: Pote sas apanthse h Italia me ton ikanopoihtiko tropo poy eipate;

REPPAS: H apanthsh ayth yparxei, nomizw, apo xqes.

MOYRTHS: H apobash twn Toyrkwn komantos sth braxonhsida apotelei gia thn Kybernhsh katalhch eqnikoy edafoys;

REPPAS: Asfalws, h apobash twn Toyrkwn htan - qa elega - estw kai gia ligo, katoxh edafoys, poy h Ellada exei plhrh kyriarxia ep' aytoy. Kai me ayto to prisma to antimetwpisa- me. Alla to edafos ayto pali brisketai katw apo th dikh mas kyriarxia.

MARDAS: Stis Programmatikes Dhlwseis poy chfisqhkan xqes den yparxei mia palia qesh toy PASOK, to CASUS BELLI enanti ths Toyrkias, ean diabei o Attilas th grammh poy dixotomei thn Kypro. Qelw na sas rwthsw - giati fantazomai oti ayto den einai mia ablecia - ean meta ta nea dedomena, thn proxqesinh krish, prokeitai h Kybernhsh na epanaferei thn apeilh polemoy, ws politikh eqnikh qesh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh toy PASOK exei kanei ta megista gia na prowqhsei thn eqnikh ypoqesh poy legetai Kypriako. Kai ayto to gnwrizete. Yparxei hdh se isxy to dogma toy eniaioy amyntikoy xwroy. Kai prepei na sas pw oti h ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai idiaiterws o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos exei epikoinwnia me ton k. Klhridh. H Kypriakh Kybernhsh exei ekfrasei thn eyareskeia ths kai thn plhrh symfwnia ths stis qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai pali, opws epanadiatypwqhkan. Kai sto plaisio ayths ths synergasias, na eiste sigoyroi, oti qa kanoyme ta panta, wste na exoyme thn pio prowqhmenh kai pio apotelesmatikh - pisteyw kai elpizw - antimetwpish gia to qema ayto, to opoio limnazei tosa xronia.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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