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BRIEFING 07-02-96

Greek Government Press Release Directory

From: Hellenic Ministry of Press <pegasus@compulink.gr>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 7.2.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

Kalhmera sas. Agaphtoi moy filoi: O Prwqypoyrgos exei shmera th synergasia - poy sas einai hdh gnwsth - me to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK.
-Ayrio, to meshmeri, exei th synanthsh - sas exw enhmerwsei gi' ayto - me thn ka Paparhga kai en synexeia me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Glayko Klhridh.
-Ayrio to apogeyma stis 7:00 m.m. qa synedriasoyn to KYSEA kai h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, apo koinoy. Kai
-Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12:00 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me qemata tis kybernhtikes proteraiothtes ayths ths periodoy afenos kai afeteroy th leitoyrgia twn syllogikwn kybernhtikwn organwn (Kybernhtikh Epitroph, KYSEA k.lp.). Ayta eixa na sas pw eisagwgikws kai eimaste etoimoi na arxisoyme th syzhthsh mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Klhridhs - Shmiths poy qa synanthqoyn;

REPPAS: Qa synanthqoyn sto Megaro Majimoy, sth 1:00 m.m. "Egkainiazetai", fainetai, h xrhsimopoihsh toy Megaroy Majimoy, me thn episkech toy k. Klhridh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An einai mono gia synedriaseis, kala einai.

REPPAS: Nomizw, oti to Megaro ayto, apo osoys xrhsimopoihqhke, xrhsimopoihqhke ws ktiriakh ypodomh gia to kalytero ergo twn Proedrwn twn Ellhnikwn Kybernhsewn. Mhn exoyme tetoioy eidoys memcimoiries kai kritikes gia tetoia qemata.

FILHS: Xqes, o Ekproswpos toy Leykoy Oikoy proebh se mia systash pros thn Aqhna kai thn Agkyra na prosfygoyn sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs san diaithsia prokeimenoy na dieykrinistei to kaqestws sto qema twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn sth braxonhsida ths Imia. Poia einai h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Opws gnwrizete, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei oti exei isxyra, adiaseista - qa elega - nomika epixeirhmata yper twn apocewn ths gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma. H antilhch, h opoia ekfrazetai apo thn anakoinwsh ayth toy Leykoy Oikoy, antilhch h opoia akribws tonizei kai anadeiknyei to nomiko xarakthra toy qematos aytoy, einai kati poy mas briskei symfwnoys. To antimetwpizoyme me qetiko mati. Giati h antilhch ayth, na antimetwpizetai to qema ws nomiko, den einai antilhch dikh mas h antilhch twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Einai h orqh antilhch. Kai yper ayths ths orqhs antilhchs nomizw oti prepei na einai oloi: xwres kai polites.

KIAOS: Exei mia synexeia to qema, me to prooimio apo th symfwnia toy '90. To epikaleitai h oxi;

REPPAS: Asfalws to epikaloymeqa. Kai nomizw oti h anafora mas sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai stis Dieqneis Symfwnies, dimereis h polymereis, einai epanalambanomenh. Qewroyme aytonohto oti oles oi xwres oi opoies exoyn synacei tetoies symfwnies, einai oxi aplws ypoxrewmenes, alla prepei, me yperballonta zhlo - qa elega - prokeimenoy na thrhqei h dieqnhs ennomh tajh, na ypakoyoyn kai na throyn aytes tis symfwnies. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti bebaiws sth nomikh "faretra" mas yparxei to epixeirhma, to opoio anaferate. Aplws sxoliasa to neo gegonos, to opoio exei prokycei meta th dhlwsh toy Leykoy Oikoy.

MIXAHL: Oi palaioteres Ellhnikes Kybernhseis apo to 1974 kai eseis mexri na jespasei h krish kai amesws meta eipate oti to mono pragma poy mporoyme na syzhthsoyme me thn Toyrkia, se dieqnh diaithsia, einai h orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas. Tipote allo den mporei na syzhthqei. Twra, lete - me thn apanthsh poy mas dinete - oti mporoyme na pame na syzhthsoyme to qema twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn epi ths Imia, gia to opoio pisteyoyme oti exoyme adiaseista epixeirhmata. Wstoso mia diaithsia einai diaithsia. Ti, loipon, pame ekei na koybentiasoyme; Kati to opoio qewroyme ek prooimioy oti einai diko mas h kati to opoio dexomaste th diadikasia ayth...;

REPPAS: Sas parakalw poly. Egw den eipa oti qa pame na syzhthsoyme. Apo thn apanthsh moy, oydolws proekyce ayto poy eseis anaptyjate ws skeptiko. Einai diko sas skeptiko. Eipa oti th blepoyme me qetiko mati. Kai pws h antilhch oti to qema exei kat' ejoxhn nomikh bash einai h orqh antilhch. Ayto eipa akribws, parakalw. Kai mhn parapoioyntai ta osa lew. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis pisteyoyme pws, an h Toyrkia - en prokeimenw - exei logo, apo th dikh ths pleyra, epeidh amfisbhtei ayto to nomiko kaqestws, na epizhthsei lysh aytoy poy h idia qewrei oti apotelei problhma, oi Hnwmenes Politeies ths ypodeiknyoyn ena dromo. Emeis qa ejetasoyme to qema me prosoxh kai qa exoyme me leptomereies th qesh mas en kairw.

PARIS: Milame kaqara gia to qema twn braxonhsidwn h milame gia ena "paketo" me dieqnh diaithsia kai gia to kaqestws (den akoygetai);

REPPAS: H dhlwsh toy Leykoy Oikoy anaferetai apolytws kai safws sto sygkekrimeno qema. H apanthsh poy edwsa afora apolytws kai safws to sygkekrimeno qema.

PARIS: Oi qeseis mas, omws, gia thn yfalokrhpida paramenoyn;

REPPAS: Oi qeseis mas gia thn yfalokrhpida paramenoyn. Kai prepei na sas pw oti oi qeseis aytes diatypwqhkan afotoy ta texnologika mesa poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas odhgoyn pleon tis koinwnies, tis xwres sto na ajiopoioyn to qalassio kai ypoqalassio ployto. Tetoies dynatothtes den yphrxan prin. Af' hs stigmhs, omws, yparxei to Dikaio ths Qalassas, pisteyoyme oti s' ayta ta qemata ta opoia exoyn en tw metajy prokycei, h apanthsh mporei na doqei me diadikasies nomikoy xarakthra poy sas einai hdh gnwstes kai tis exoyme proteinei.

POYLIDOY: Apo thn apanthsh sas swsta katalabainw oti, an prosfygei monomerws h Toyrkia sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, h Ellada qa symfwnhsei. Swsta;

REPPAS: Apo thn apanthsh moy prepei na katalabete oti h Ellada ejetazei me prosoxh, meletaei kata ton pleon analytiko kai emperistatwmeno tropo th dhlwsh ayth toy Leykoy Oikoy. Apo ekei kai pera qewroyme oti to mhnyma ayto stelnetai pros thn allh pleyra, giati ekeinh h pleyra einai ayth poy amfisbhthse to nomiko xarakthra toy qematos. H qesh h dikh mas sto qema ayto htan apolytws safhs.

MAYROS: Apo thn teleytaia sas apanthsh, ayth h - as poyme - protash toy Leykoy Oikoy, xrhsimopoieitai ws diplwmatiko epixeirhma kai ekei qa parameinei. Einai ayqaireto na bgalw to symperasma oti, an prosfygei h Toyrkia sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio sth Xagh, emeis qa parameinoyme adraneis;

REPPAS: Emeis qa parakoloyqhsoyme to pws h dhlwsh ayth toy Leykoy Oikoy qa epidrasei sthn ejelijh epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, stoys xeirismoys h tis prwtoboylies poy prokeitai na analhfqoyn. Gia thn wra menoyme akribws sto na ejetasoyme to baros kai thn ajia ayths ths dhlwshs kai na ektimhsoyme tis piqanes synepeies tis opoies mporei na exei.

MAYROS: Hdh aytes tis synepeies qa prepei na tis exete...

REPPAS: Ma, einai poly nwris gia na exoyn ekdhlwqei synepeies, wste na eimaste sigoyroi kai emeis kai na mporoyme na ajiologhsoyme to baros aytwn twn synepeiwn.

MAYROS: To erwthma moy den einai ypoqetiko. Egine mia protash, yparxei periptwsh na ginei apodekth apo thn Toyrkia...

REPPAS: Yparxei periptwsh. An yparjei prosfygh ths Toyrkias, qa milhsoyme pali.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes dierreyse mia dhlwsh toy Arxhgoy GEEQA me kapoioys dialogoys me ton Prwqypoyrgo...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den dierreyse.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, dienemhqh. Shmera mhpws jerete na mas peite an pragmati eixe thn egkrish toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas ayth h dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Eipa kai xqes - kai qa moy epitrecete na meinw sth xqesinh apanthsh - oti ola ta stoixeia, ta opoia apoteloyn meros enos fakeloy poy anaferetai sto sygkekrimeno qema ths prosfaths ellhno-toyrkikhs krishs, qa ta ejetasoyme en tw synolw toys kai oxi spasmwdika kai apomonwmena. Alla mporw na sxoliasw, ayth th stigmh, oti h energeia toy k. Arxhgoy einai energeia antideontologikh, einai energeia h opoia qigei to kyros kai to hqos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den qa parameinei sth qesh toy pleon;

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema apofashs h opoia, otan lhfqei, qa sas ginei gnwsth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws paraithqhke;

REPPAS: Den exei paraithqei, ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai dynaton aytes oi dhlwseis toy k. Lymperh na mhn exoyn epiptwseis ston idio, otan eseis tis lete antideontologikes...;

REPPAS: "Kontos calmos, allhloyia"!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia htan akribws h erwthsh; Den akoysame...

REPPAS: Panta yparxoyn epiptwseis gia ton k.Lymperh apo th dhlwsh toy ayth h apo thn energeia toy ayth.

MAYROS: To problepei o Stratiwtikos Kwdikas...Apagoreyetai na kanoyn dhlwseis...

REPPAS: Nai, alla tis apofaseis, apo th stigmh poy den exoyn lhfqei, den mporw egw na tis proanaggeilw. Otan lhfqoyn oi apofaseis - qelw na eimai safhs - qa ginoyn gnwstes.

POYLIDOY: Poso "kontos" qa einai o "calmos";

REPPAS: Ayto einai analogo twn metrwn poy xrhsimopoiei o kaqeis apo emas!

FILHS: Eipate oti ayrio synedriazei to KYSEA...

REPPAS: Nai, bebaiws. Qa asxolhqei me diafora qemata, ta opoia - opws katalabainete - aptontai kai toy sygkekrimenoy epeisodioy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayrio qa exoyme kriseis;

REPPAS: Den eipa oti ayrio qa exoyme kriseis. Den prokyptei apo poyqena. Alla, asfalws, to kybernhtiko ayto organo qa asxolhqei kai me to sygkekrimeno qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Giannopoylos eipe oti o Dhmarxos Kalymnoy eixe kapoia kratikh kalych, afhnontas na ennohqei oti htan h EYP. Exete na peite kati eseis;

REPPAS: Exw na pw oti o k. Giannopoylos oydolws anaferqhke sthn EYP. Kai, bebaiws, otan o k. Giannopoylos h o kaqeis diapistwnei oti energopoioyntai patriwtika antanaklastika, prospaqei na ermhneysei poia akribws aitia einai ayth, h opoia odhgei se tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies, se tetoioy eidoys energeies. O k. Giannopoylos oydolws aneferqh se sygkekrimenh yphresia h opoia dhqen edwse kapoia entolh. Kai parakalw na mhn qewrhqei oti o k. Giannopoylos exei xrewqei me mia tetoia apoch. Giati tetoia apoch, den ejefrase.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Basilikopoylos tote giati toy kanei mhnysh; Ekane dhlwsh oti qa toy kanei mhnysh.

REPPAS: O k. Basilikopoylos, ean kanei mhnysh, gnwrizei oti qa akoloyqhsei h mhnysh ayth thn problepomenh diadikasia kai ta organa ta opoia qa epilhfqoyn, qa ekdwsoyn thn apofash toys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Efoson qelete na akribologhsoyme, o k. Giannopoylos eipe oti h entolh doqhke apo kratikh yphresia. Poia, loipon, kratikh yphresia thn edwse; Kai poies eyqynes yparxoyn;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti o k. Giannopoylos den eipe kathgorhmatikws oti edoqh apo kratikh yphresia - giati exw to sygkekrimeno keimeno - tetoia entolh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipe (den akoygetai).

REPPAS: Oxi, den eipe kati tetoio o k. Giannopoylos. Parakalw poly. Exw to akribes keimeno. O k. Giannopoylos den eipe edoqh entolh. Ekane mia ypoqesh, mia ektimhsh. Parakalw na meinoyme se ayto.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: H Kybernhsh qewrei oti prepei na xreiazetai adeia gia na shkwsei kaneis th shmaia, opoy kai an einai;

REPPAS: Asfalws oxi. Kai sto qema, to poly sygkekrimeno kai to yponoymeno apo th dikh sas erwthsh, pisteyw oti exoyme dwsei kat' epanalhch apanthseis oles aytes tis hmeres. H qesh mas einai gnwsth. Bebaiws h ellhnikh shmaia ycwnetai sthn Ellhnikh Epikrateia. Alla h ellhnikh shmaia ycwnetai, froyreitai, prostateyetai apo opoiadhpote prosbolh mporei na dexqei. Kai ayto einai mia qesh thn opoia prepei oloi na dexqoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, stis programmatikes dhlwseis o k. Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti prepei na prosdioristoyn safestata ta oria anamesa sthn politikh ejoysia kai stoys katexontes oikonomikh dynamh. Ayta sto epipedo twn logwn. Sto epipedo twn prajewn, proxqes eishxqh sth Boylh mia tropologia poy prosferei stoys ergolhptes kai stoys promhqeytes toy Dhmosioy th dynatothta paratashs gia thn onomastikopoihsh twn metoxwn. To erwthma einai: giati;

REPPAS: Einai, nomizw, gnwsto se oloys sas oti h Kybernhsh, me metra kai nomoys qesmikoy xarakthra, exei prospaqhsei na dwsei mia sygkekrimenh morfh sto xaos to opoio yparxei kai to synantoyme se polles pleyres ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Sto sygkekrimeno qema yparxei enas nomos prwtoporiakos kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai yperhfanh gia to nomo ayto. O nomos aytos, metajy twn allwn, problepei - gia thn isxy epi meroys diatajewn toy - thn ekdosh Proedrikwn Diatagmatwn kai allwn Kanonistikwn Prajewn. Eimaste sthn poreia diatypwshs aytwn twn Proedrikwn Diatagmatwn. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, prepei na sas pw oti h Epitroph h opoia exei odhghqei sth diatypwsh Proedrikoy Diatagmatos diapistwse oti yparxoyn kapoia texnika problhmata ws pros thn ylopoihsh aytwn twn diatajewn. Kai me dedomenes tis synqhkes tis piestikes poy yparxoyn shmera, qewrhse xrhsimo na zhthsei ayth thn thn paratash enarjhs ths isxyos sygkekrimenhs diatajhs, wste na melethsei kalytera to qema. Kai en pash periptwsei qa moy epitrecete na pw oti einai adiko na dexetai h Kybernhsh kata "ergolabiko" - as moy epitrapei na pw - tropo, mia tetoia eidoys kritikh h opoia den antapokrinetai se pragmatika dedomena.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite otan lete "kata ergolabiko tropo";

REPPAS: Ennow oti h Kybernhsh exei kapoioys oi opoioi einai ej orismoy apenanti ths. Kai exoyn akribws ayth thn "ergolabia" na ths askoyn kritikh gia opoiadhpote energeia ths kai pote na mhn thn epainoyn kai gia ta elaxista estw, poy kat'aytoys, kanei h Kybernhsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti h Kybernhsh einai synexeia ths prohgoyme- nhs Kybernhshs. H prohgoymenh Kybernhsh, kai malista o k. Benizelos poy kaqotan sth qesh sas, elege oti den prokeitai na ginei oyte ena bhma pisw, se sxesh me ayto to nomo. Oyte ws pros to periexomeno twn diatajewn toy, oyte se sxesh me ta xronika oria poy prosdiorize aytos o nomos. Qewreite oti "ergolabika" o k. Benizelos, otan ta elege ayta, strefotan enantia se mia Kybernhsh poy qa htan synexeia ths Kybernhshs toy k. Papandreoy;

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai poly aplh: Otan eipa oti eimaste yperhfanoi gi'ayton to nomo, nomizw oti dhlwna taytoxronws pws eimaste, nai, Kybernhsh synexeias. Poly apla.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gi'ayton to nomo, toylaxiston, osoi blepoyn thleorash diapistwnoyn oti den efarmozetai. Den efarmozetai oyte ws pros tis diafhmiseis, oyte ws pros ta deltia eidhsewn, oyte ws pros tis epimeroys diatajeis k.lp. Qa yparjei merimna wste na efarmostei aytos o nomos;

REPPAS: Qa yparjei merimna apo thn Kybernhsh kai qa lhfqoyn ola ekeina ta metra, wste o nomos aytos poy qewroyme oti einai prwtoporiakos na isxysei kai na apodwsei karpoys, poy otan ton chfizame, pisteyame oti prepei na yparjoyn gia to kalo ths ellhnikhs koinwnias.

ROYMPANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw poies einai oi piestikes synqhkes poy antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh gia thn efarmogh toy nomoy.

REPPAS: Anaferomai sto oti eprepe mexri tis 2 Febroyarioy na exei ekdoqei to Proedriko Diatagma. H hmeromhnia ayth exei hdh parelqei, af'enos. Af'eteroy, yparxoyn ta trexonta gegonota ta opoia - opws poly kala katalabainete - exoyn odhghsei sthn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs gia thn anasygkrothsh kai sto na asxolhqei me pleista osa qemata epikairothtos. Ara, s' ayto to qema, epeidh prepei na to doyme me idiaiterh prosoxh kai zhlo, qa zhthsoyme ayth thn paratash, prokeimenoy h telikh mas epilogh na einai h kalyterh dynath.

MIXAHL: Ektimate oti h metadosh apo ta Mesa Mazikhs Epikoinwnias sygkekrimenwn energeiwn toy stratoy, opws - as poyme - to oti ebgainan ta ploia apo to Naystaqmo pros to Aigaio, sterhse apo thn Ellada to taktiko pleonekthma sthn prosfath krish sto Aigaio; Giati ayto isxyristhke to Eqniko Radiothleoptiko Symboylio kai zhta eyqynes apo ta Mesa.

REPPAS: H Ellada einai mia xwra opoy leitoyrgoyn oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi. Yparxei eleyqeria ekfrashs twn apocewn. H Kybernhsh sebetai apolytws to dikaiwma twn politwn h omadwn politwn na drasthriopoioyntai eleyqera. To fronhma den diwketai. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyoyme oti se periodoys poy exoyn enan idiaitero xarakthra kai me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia prepei ta qemata aytwn twn periodwn emeis na ta proseggizoyme, prepei to metro eyqynhs mas - olwn mas - na einai idiaitera ayjhmeno se sxesh me to metro poy exoyme gia olh thn ypoloiph drasthriothta mas. Kai ayto qa qelame na fainetai empraktws oti einai mia arxh h opoia kaqodhgei kai desmeyei kai politikoys kai epixeirhmaties kai ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, alla kai ton kaqe polith memonwmena. Einai mia arxh, thn opoia prepei oloi na throyme.

FILHS: Gnwrizei, fantazomai, h Kybernhsh oti se apostash dyo xiliometrwn ejw apo ta stratopeda kai toys Naystaqmoys yparxei apagoreytikh pinakida gia fwtografhsh. Synepws, pros ti epikaleisqe shmera thn eyaisqhsia twn politwn kai twn epixeirhmatiwn; Yparxei parabiash nomoy h oxi;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio, to opoio exei epilhfqei, einai opws gnwrizete anejarthth Dioikhtikh Arxh. Den dexetai entoles. Den dexetai kateyqynseis. Asxoleitai me to qema, kalws, kata th gnwmh moy. Qa odhghqei se ena porisma to opoio qa mas gnwstopoihqei. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei Dikaiosynh sthn patrida mas, h opoia gnwrizei tis keimenes diatajeis kai mporei h idia na parei prwtoboylies tetoies, wste an yparxoyn parabaseis nomwn na odhghsei to qema ekei poy h idia krinei oti prepei na odhghqei: sta Dikasthria.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ekeinoi oi opoioi edwsan thn adeia na metatrapei h ypoqesh toy Naystaqmoy se "sirial", kinhqhkan, kata th gnwmh sas, se hyjhmeno epipedo eyqynhs;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti o xeirismos sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh qa mporoyse na einai kalyteros. Egw, pantws, an hmoyn aytos poy qa ekaloymhn na kanw enan tetoio xeirismo, den qa ton ekana.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo poion lete qa htan kalyteros;

REPPAS: Rwthste ton k. Mpogiopoylo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi ton k. Mpogiopoylo.

REPPAS: Ma eipe gia "ekeinoys".

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Milw gia ekeinoys poy exoyn thn eyqynh na parexoyn thn adeia se kapoioys na mpainoyn se stratiwtikoys xwroys...

REPPAS: Ma den doqhke kammia adeia. Kai h dikh mas prwtoboylia htan ayth h opoia periorise telika th metadosh apo ena xroniko shmeio kai meta h th mataiwsh. Phrame ta metra mas, analabame kapoies prwtoboylies, kinhtopoihqhkan mhxanismoi kai dynameis wste na stamathsei ayto to fainomeno, to opoio eixame epishmanei ws arnhtiko fainomeno.

MAYROS: Mexri th dhlwsh sas gia thn energeia toy Arxhgoy GEEQA, eixe programmatisqei h symmetoxh toy sto ayriano KYSEA, me dedomeno oti h symmetoxh toy den einai panta ypoxrewtikh kai aparaithth;

REPPAS: H symmetoxh toy Arxhgoy GEEQA aythn thn periodo kai s'aytes tis synedriaseis toy KYSEA einai dedomenh.

MAYROS: Twra bebaia, meta th dhlwsh sas, oi ejelijeis qa einai - ypoqetw -ragdaies, giati o k. Lymperhs den xarizetai...

REPPAS: Shmeiwnw, apla, ayto poy eipate, oti to ypoqetete.

MAYROS: Epomenws, tiqetai qema, safestata, paraithshs toy Arxhgoy GEEQA entos ths hmeras kai na doyme me poio neo Arxhgo GEEQA qa pame ayrio sto KYSEA, afoy einai aparaithth h symmetoxh toy.

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, an yparjei ayto - mia ypoqesh kanw - qa sas ginei gnwsto. Den exw na pw kati parapanw. Exw hdh apanthsei s'ayto to qema. Sas parakalw poly.

KARASABA: Dedomenoy oti exei hdh arxisei sthn Amerikh proeklogikh periodos, hqela na mas peite, an mporeite, an h Kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo to ergo toy k.Klinton se sxesh me ta ellhnotoyrkika. Kai an pisteyei pws an janabgoyn oi Repoymplikanoi, qa yparjei mia strofh sta ellhnotoyrkika.

REPPAS: To poia Kybernhsh qa yparxei se mia allh xwra kai sygkekrimena stis Hnwmenes Politeies, einai qema gia to opoio qa apofasisei o laos ths sygkekrimenhs xwras. Kai en prokeimenw o Amerikanikos laos. Emeis krinoyme to ergo ths kaqe kybernhshs apo tis synepeies tis opoies exei to ergo ayto sta dika mas qemata. En prokeimenw, thn ejelijh twn eqnikwn qematwn mas kai thn epidrash poy exei s'aythn thn ejelijh h kybernhtikh politikh ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs. Ayto einai kati to opoio, ayth thn wra, den mporei na qewrhqei oti apotelei ena oloklhrwmeno systhma. Epanalambanw kai pali, einai se ejelijh. Qa to ektimhsoyme kai qa exoyme th dynatothta na exoyme mia pio katastalagmenh apoch, - otan oloklhrwqei h qhteia ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs - gia to an qewroyme pws htan mia qhteia kalh, ikanopoihtikh gia ta ellhnika symferonta h oxi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite an h ygeia toy Proedroy toy PASOK k. Andrea Papandreoy epitrepei th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti anablhqhke h synanthsh akribws epeidh paroysiase ayton ton pyreto o Andreas Papandreoy, logw ths meqodoy "fistoyla" poy toy efarmosthke. Mia meqodos h opoia einai poly apotelesmatikh kai pantws htan aparaithto na efarmostei, mias kai prokeitai - opws katalabainete - to epomeno diasthma na metakinhqei sto spiti toy. Yparxei mia epikoinwnia kai synennohsh. Oi qerapontes giatroi toy k. Papandreoy einai aytoi oi opoioi qa poyn an telikws kai poia stigmh, qa ginei ayth h synanthsh. Einai, en pash periptwsei, sta sxedia kai twn dyo andrwn na synanthqoyn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Elexqh xqes oti endexomenws na ginei h synanthsh shmera h ayrio.

REPPAS: Den nomizw. Den einai programmatismeno tipota.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxei kati neotero gia to qema ths topoqethshs toy neoy Dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas, toy k. Karatza; Xqes, o boyleyths toy PASOK, o k. Kachs o opoios metexei sthn Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph, dhlwse oti qa katachfisei ayth thn apofash. Ayto kata poson problhmatizei thn Kybernhsh; Kai deyteron, an h Kybernhsh, meta kai apo mia kritikh h opoia askhqhke sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, epimenei sthn topoqethsh toy k. Karatza.

REPPAS: O k.Kachs, opws kaqe politikos, exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazei thn apoch toy kai na yperaspizei thn apoch toy. Apo ekei kai pera, einai nomizw sebasto se oloys - giati etsi leitoyrgoyn oi Nomoi kai oi Kanones se mia Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia - to dikaiwma ths Kybernhshs na epilegei toys synergates ths se neyralgikoys tomeis. H epilogh ayth egine meta apo protash - epanalambanw kai pali- toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias, toy k. Papantwnioy, pros ton k. Prwqypoyrgo kai einai h telikh epilogh ths Kybernhshs gia ton epikefalhs ths Eqnikhs Trapezas Ellados.

PARIS: Qelw na rwthsw an stis kybernhtikes synedriaseis, sto ypoloipo ths ebdomadas, qa exoyme apofaseis gia allages se dioikhseis kratikwn epixeirhsewn kai Trapezwn. Kai deyteron, an to porisma gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy exei bgei kai an qa syzhthqei ayrio apo to KYSEA.

REPPAS: Sto prwto qema prepei na sas pw oti einai se ejelijh h diadikasia ths ypobolhs twn protasewn gia th stelexwsh Organismwn kai allwn qesewn sto dhmosio tomea. Oi apofaseis qa lambanontai kata stadia. Den yparxei kapoio paketo protasewn wste na lhfqoyn synolikes apofaseis. Apo ekei kai pera, to porisma ayto den exei oloklhrwqei kai otan oloklhrwqei qa katateqei wste na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs sta kybernhtika organa.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Jerete an yparxoyn kai alles epiloges toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias gia allages stis dioikhseis kai allwn Trapezwn;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema gia to opoio o k. Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias qa mporoyse na sas enhmerwsei. Alla nomizw oti einai aprepes na enhmerwsei dhmosiws ton ellhniko lao, prin katalhjei h synergasia toy me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo se sygkekrimenes protaseis kai apofaseis.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dexesqe mia kritikh ws Kybernhsh, apo dika sas stelexh mesa apo thn Kybernhsh, alla kai apo boyleytes toy PASOK, oxi toso gia to an eprepe h den eprepe na antikatastaqei o k. Mirkos. Polloi lene to ejhs: Yparxei mia diadikasia qesmoqethmenh, na syzhtoyntai sthn armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph ola ta krithria kai na ginetai plhrhs akroash kaqe ypochfioy poy qa prepei na topoqethqei. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh toy k. Karatza, sas katalogizoyn eyqynh, opws o k. Anwmeriths gia paradeigma, oti kakws den egine ayto to pragma kai oti yphrxe mia ayqaireth apofash h opoia htan oti allazoyme ton k.Mirko kai bazoyme ton k. Karatza. Oyte rwthqhke kanenas, oyte tipota.

REPPAS: Se Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph akoloyqeitai h diadikasia sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Kai qa akoloyqhqei ayth h diadikasia, sthn Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph, aparegklitws.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Nomizw oti to qema poy dhmioyrgeitai ap'aythn thn istoria, einai oti o k. Karatzas kathgorhse ton Andrea Papandreoy to 1989. Pisteyw oti ayto einai to qema poy dhmioyrgei thn entash. O k. Mpehs, xqes, dhlwse oti par'oti elpizei oti qa perasei ayth h protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, pisteyei oti qa dhmioyrgoyse problhmata kai sto PASOK kai sthn Kybernhsh, ejaitias, aytoy toy gegonotos poy problhmatizei kai alla stelexh kai ths Kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. H apoch sas poia einai; Giati tosh epimonh s'ayto to sygkekrimeno proswpo; Oxi sthn allagh toy yparxontos dioikhth.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh qewrhse oti epikefalhs ayths ths Trapezas eprepe na topoqethqei o k. Karatzas. Epeidh antapokrinetai stis proypoqeseis kai ta krithria ta opoia h Kybernhsh exei qesei gia thn kalych ayths ths qeshs apo ena stelexos. Apo ekei kai pera omws, drattomai ths eykairias na sxoliasw oti ta osa yponooyntai peri cogoy - an qelete - h peri asebeias pros ton Andrea Papandreoy, oxi mono den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia, alla xrhsimopoioyntai kata tropo, eytelh, as moy epitrapei na pw. Giati - epanalambanw - o Andreas Papandreoy einai o idryths, o genarxhs, o hgeths toy Kinhmatos mas kai exei pantote thn agaph, thn ektimhsh kai to sebasmo mas. Ep'aytoy toy qematos den xreiazetai na epanerxoma- ste. Einai kati to opoio kat'epanalhch kai me tropo safh kai kathgorhmatiko exei diatypwqei. Pistecte me, oti einai akribws etsi.

POYLIDOY: O toyrkikos Typos, xqes, anaferei plhrofories oti ginontai metakinhseis ellhnikwn strateymatwn sta synora kai gia th dienergeia naytikhs askhshs sto Aigaio. Epibebaiwnete h tis diaceydete;

REPPAS: Oi Enoples Dynameis ths xwras mas briskontai diatagmenes ekei poy problepoyn oi Kanonismoi toys. Ayth thn wra, den yparxei kammia idiaiterh kinhtopoihsh, wste na dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote antidrash h yponoia gia prwtoboylies poy prokeitai na analabei h Ellada, apo opoiadhpote allh pleyra kai apo thn Toyrkia.

POYLIDOY: Naytikh askhsh, ektaktws, pragmatopoieitai sto Aigaio;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota to ektakto kai to idiaitero, ayth thn periodo. Sas eyxaristw poly.

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