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BRIEFING 09-02-96

Greek Government Press Release Directory

From: Hellenic Ministry of Press <pegasus@compulink.gr>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 9/2/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TH SYNEDRIASH TOY YPOYRGIKOY SYMBOYLIOY

Geia sas. Shmera synedriase to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio asxolhqhke me dyo qemata.
* Prwto qema: Thn leitoyrgia twn syllogikwn kybernhtikwn organwn. Ejetase ton ariqmo, thn xrhsimothta kai ton ryqmo h syxnothta - an qelete - leitoyrgias twn yfistamenwn shmera organwn. Ekane mia prwth ejetash toy qematos. Akoysthkan sygkekrimenes protaseis. O Prwqypoyrgos qa labei thn telikh apofash gia thn meiwsh twn epitropwn, thn anadiarqrwsh toys, thn sygxwneysh logw taytoshmwn armodiothtwn allwn epitropwn, wste ta syllogika kybernhtika organa na einai xrhsima kai apotelesmatika.
* Deytero qema: H eishghsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy gia toys ajones ths kybernhtikhs politikhs thn epomenh periodo. H eishghsh ayth basisthke stis Programmatikes Dhlwseis poy aneptyje sth Boylh o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Anaptyxqhke syzhthsh gia to qema ayto. Kai o k. Prwqypoyr- gos qa kanei thn telikh epejergasia gi' ayto poy mporoyme na onomasoyme "plaisio kybernhtikhs drashs".
** To plaisio kybernhtikhs drashs perilambanei pente kefalaia h enothtes:
-Prwton, thn ejwterikh politikh kai thn amyna.
-Deyteron, thn oikonomikh kai anaptyjiakh politikh ths Kybernhshs.
-Triton, thn politikh gia toys qesmoys, to kratos kai th dioikhsh.
-Tetarton, thn politikh gia thn paideia, thn ygeia kai thn koinwnikh synoxh.
-Pempton, to kefalaio poy afora thn poiothta zwhs, to periballon kai ton politismo. Stis enothtes aytes, kata thn armodiothta toy kaqe Ypoyrgeioy, perilambanontai metra politikhs kai nomoqetikes prwtoboylies, oi opoies qa analhfqoyn, wste to kybernhtiko ergo sthn prajh na ekfrasei kai na antapokriqei stis desmeyseis poy anelabe h Kybernhsh me tis Programmatikes Dhlwseis. Qa yparjei leptomeresterh anakoinwsh, thn opoia qa labete syntoma. Pisteyoyme oti h syzhthsh h opoia htan ychloy epipedoy, qa bohqhsei shmantikotata wste to kybernhtiko ergo na exei safeis prosanatolismoys, safeis ierarxhseis me thn ejasfalish twn aparaithtwn proypoqesewn, wste oi stoxoi aytoi na epiteyxqoyn apo thn Kybernhsh mas, thn epomenh periodo. Allwste, qa exoyme th dynatothta gi' ayta ta epi meroys qemata na syzhtoyme synexws. Eimai etoimos na apanthsw se erwthseis sas. Oriste, o k. Stamatopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos den enhmerwse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gi' ayta ta opoia eginan xqes to brady sto KYSEA, me thn arnhsh toy k. Lymperh na paraithqei; Den ekane kammia enhmerwsh gia ta xqesinobradyna o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia, eisagwgikws, mikrh enhmerwsh, metajy twn allwn kai gi' ayto to qema (oxi leptomereiakh anaptyjh toy qematos, kaq' oti exei apasxolhsei kybernhtika organa mexri twra to qema ayto kai qewroyme oti exei syzhthqei ypereparkws). O k. Prwqypoyrgos, aplws, anefere stoys Ypoyrgoys oti zhthqhke h paraithsh toy k. Lymperh, o opoios arnhqhke na paraithqei kai h Kybernhsh apefasise thn antikatastash toy, h opoia qa ginei mexri tis 18 toy mhnos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kaneis Ypoyrgos den parenebh, prokeimenoy na rwthsei gyrw apo ayto to qema; Kaneis Ypoyrgos den zhthse epi toy qematos dieykriniseis;

REPPAS: Oydeis Ypoyrgos elabe to logo epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

MOYRTZHS: Symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata, o k. Arsenhs eixe kat' arxhn orismenes enstaseis, me thn ennoia oti dinoyme taktiko pleonekthma sthn Toyrkia se sxesh me thn apopomph toy k. Lymperh. Eystaqei ayto;

REPPAS: Kata th syzhthsh poy egine xqes sto KYSEA, oi metexontes Ypoyrgoi ejefrasan thn apoch toys gia epimeroys shmeia ta opoia aforoyn to xeirismo toy qematos. Kai ayto poy exei shmasia kai prepei na meinei, einai oti telikws oloi symfwnhsan sthn apofash, h opoia sas einai gnwsth, giati anakoinwqhke: Thn apofash ths antikatastashs toy k. Lymperh.

GKANAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pote anamenoyme to porisma gia thn ereyna; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Apasxolei thn Kybernhsh poy aytos o aporrhtos dialogos toy A/GEEQA me ton Prwqypoyrgo eixe, prwton, dhmosieyqei - prin bgei se anakoinwsh - se kyriakatikh efhmerida;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti to porisma qa katartisqei thn epomenh periodo, den mporw na jerw akribws pote. Alla h poreia katartishs toy kai h kataqesh toy einai mia aytonomh - qa moy epitrecete na pw - energeia, h opoia den exei sxesh me thn apofash gia thn antikatastash toy k. Lymperh. O de k. Lymperhs den katekriqh gia o,ti egrafh ws dialogos se efhmerida h proeblhqh se thleoptika kanalia, alla esxoliasqh dysmenws h anakoinwsh h opoia ejedoqh ws anakoinwsh toy GEEQA. Prajh thn opoia xarakthrisame antideontologikh. Prajh qigoysa to kyros kai to hqos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Allh erwthsh parakalw; G.

MAYROS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh parakalw: Poios to kanei ayto to porisma; Poios to syntassei kai ti eidoys porisma einai ayto;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, to syntassei h hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Kai s' ayto to porisma kaloyntai na poyn thn apoch toys opoioi, amesws h emmesws, eixan symmetoxh se epixeirhseis oi opoies eginan kata thn ellhno-toyrkikh krish sto synolo.

MIXAHL: Eipate prohgoymenws oti o k. Lymperhs sxoliasqhke dysmenws gia thn anakoinwsh toy GEEQA. Dhladh, gia thn diadikasia egkaleitai o k. Lymperhs kai oxi gia thn oysia.

REPPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei gia o,tidhpote exei sxesh me thn ypoqesh, h opoia afora thn antikatastash toy k. Lymperh. Oriste, o k. Zerbonikolakhs.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me dedomeno oti o ellhnikos polemikos stolos brisketai sto Aigaio kai oti h antikatastash toy k. Lymperh qa ginei stis 18 Febroyarioy, ean mesa s' ayto to diasthma aytwn twn hmerwn symbei kati...

REPPAS: O k. Lymperhs paramenei mexri na yparjei topoqethsh neoy Arxhgoy GEEQA, Arxhgos GEEQA. H oristikh antikastash toy - apofash telesidikh, opws sas eipa - qa ginei to argotero mexri tis 18 toy mhnos. Mporei na ginei kai nwritera, otan o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas kanei, se synedriash toy KYSEA h opoia epi toytoy qa ginei, protaseis gia thn topoqethsh neoy proswpoy sth qesh toy Arxhgoy GEEQA. Oriste, o k. Stamatopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Panw s' ayto: Qa yparjoyn kai alles allages ektos apo ekeinh toy A/GEEQA;

REPPAS: Ayto, qa to apofasisei to KYSEA to opoio qa synelqei kai qa akoysei tis protaseis - eishghseis toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy.

KOGIANNHS: Ep' aytoy, k. Ypoyrge: Ws "karatomhqeis", oysiastika, o k. Lymperhs, exei to sqenos na epiballei tis entoles toy kai tis diatages toy o k. Lymperhs twra, an o mh genoito ayrio exoyme kati;

REPPAS: O k. Lymperhs nomizw oti den "karatomhqhke". Kai tetoioy eidoys ekfraseis parakalw na mhn xrhsimopoioyntai. "Karatomeitai" kapoios, toy opoioy h "karatomhsh" an yparjei, synodeyetai kai me ton antistoixo cogo. O k. Lymperhs zhthqhke apo thn Kybernhsh na paraithqei kai h Kybernhsh thn apofash ths ayth synodeyse me epainetika logia gia ton k.Lymperh, logw ths qetikhs prosforas toy pros tis Enoples Dynameis kai th xwra.

KARASABBA: Ws pros tis diadikasies poy qa akoloyqhqoyn, qa yparjei kapoia tropologia nomoy gia na ginei ayth h antikatastash;

REPPAS: H antikatastash einai dynath sthn epomenh synedriash toy KYSEA, efoson o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas eishghqei ta proswpa ta opoia qewrei oti einai katallhla na analaboyn th qesh ayth. To de sygkekrimeno proswpo, qa to epilejei to KYSEA. Einai h orqh kai problepomenh diadikasia.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ektima h Kybernhsh oti o tropos antikatastashs toy k. Lymperh den dhmioyrgei problhma stis sxeseis Kybernhshs, ths politikhs hgesias en prokeimenw me tis Enoples Dynameis;

REPPAS: Exoyme kat' epanalhch dhlwsei oti empisteyomaste, timoyme tis Enoples Dynameis. Kai qeloyme oi Enoples Dynameis na meinoyn makran xeirismwn kai peirasmwn, oi opoioi epidiwkoyn kai aposkopoyn mono sthn apokomish mikrokommatikwn wfelhmatwn. Sas lew oti h qesh ths Kybernhshs einai pws prepei epiteloys aytos o kyklos syzhthsewn peri to qema na kleisei, kata ton tropo poy egine h syzhthsh ayth. Kai qewroyme pws mia - metajy twn allwn - kinhsh, xeirismos, energeia poy eprepe na ginei, einai akribws h antikatastash toy k. Lymperh. Kai ayto apofasise to KYSEA.

KARAGIANNH: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Milhsate gia "apokomish mikrokommatikwn wfelhmatwn". Apo poy; Entos PASOK h ektos PASOK;

REPPAS: Opoiosdhpote, qesmoys kai symbola, anti na ta yphretei, epixeirei na ta xrhsimopoih- sei gia na apokomisei ofelh, pisteyoyme oti oxi mono den prosferei yphresia, alla blaptei kai th xwra kai tis Enoples Dynameis.
* Kai lypoymai, giati apo thn Nea Dhmokratia shmera yparxei anakoinwsh strefomenh kata toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai logw ths erwthsh sas, pairnw aformh na th sxoliasw kai na pw oti: Epiteloys h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Ebert as poreyontai to dromo ths palaiopolitikhs monoi toys. O k. Ebert, idiaiterws, qa meinei monos toy. Giati blepw oti kai o k. Mhtsotakhs kai o k. Barbitsiwths kai alloi paragontes toy kommatos toy, ton odhgoyn sthn apomonwsh, afoy anoikta ekfrazoyn tis diafwnies toys pros thn politikh kai toys xeirismoys toy. Egw s' ayto to dromo toy parelqontos pisteyw pws h Kybernhsh den prokeitai na akoloyqhsei ton k. Ebert. H Kybernhsh koitaei pros to mellon. Oriste, o k. Kampoyrakhs.

KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei skech sthn Kybernhsh na teleiwsei mia kai kalh - me thn eykairia ths apopomphs, ths paraithshs en pash periptwsei toy k. Lymperh - to qema twn apostratwn, ws synolikh apoch...

REPPAS: Yparxoyn problhmatismoi kai skeceis epi toy qematos. Oi telikes apofaseis qa lhfqoyn sto KYSEA, to opoio qa anadeijei thn nea hgesia.

KAMPRAS: Epeidh to eipate ayto prohgoymenws "telos ta mikrokommatika k.lp.", sthn oysia apanthsate ston k. Kampoyrakh, oti eipate dhladh...

REPPAS: H apanthsh poy dinw kaqe fora, einai apanthsh se sygkekrimenh erwthsh. An eseis, thn apanthsh ayth, qelete na thn xrhsimopoihsete ws apanthsh kai se allh erwthsh, einai kati poy mporeite na to kanete, alla mhn to xrewnete se mena. Qelete kapoia erwthsh na kanete;

KAMPRAS: Gia na katalabw ayto poy lete: Otan eipate "telos sta mikrokommatika", otan o k. Lymperhs ena anaplhrwmatiko melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs kai to PASOK ton epanefere sthn hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, shmasia exei oti apo th stigmh poy payoyn ayta ta pragmata, apo edw kai pera to PASOK ayto den prokeitai na janakanei epanafora apostratwn.

REPPAS: To KYSEA qa labei tis apofaseis toy. Kai oi apofaseis aytes, qa sas ginoyn gnwstes.

MIXAHL: Eipate "opoiosdhpote xrhsimopoiei qesmoys kai symbola", pio sygkekrimena kai meta prosqesate...

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei kat'epanalhch s'ayto to qema. Aytes tis meres exoyme kat'epanalhch asxolhqei me qesmoys kai symbola. Kai exoyme dwsei apanthseis se erwthseis poy exoyn teqei sxetika me tetoia qemata. Parakalw, mhn epanerxomaste.

MIXAHL: An loipon teleiwsame m'ayto to qema...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den teleiwsame. Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti o k.Lymperhs den karatomhqhke. Dhladh, me th qelhsh toy efyge;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h apofash toy KYSEA gia antikatastash toy k.Lymperh einai apofash gia antikatastash toy k. Lymperh. Egw milhsa gia antikatastash toy k. Lymperh. Eseis milhsate gia "karatomhsh". Metajy twn dyo lejewn yparxei diafora. Kai ayto akribws diesteila.

KAMPRAS: Syggnwmh. Na baloyme th lejh ton "ediwje" h Kybernhsh, ton "apomakryne";

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

KAMPRAS: Giati, to "karatomhse", to idio pragma einai.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Xolmproyk dhlwse oti "otan o k.Klinton ekane epafes metajy Aqhnas kai Agkyras, oi hgetes ths Eyrwphs koimontoysan". Exete kapoio sxolio gi'ayto;

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, gia to ti leei o k. Xolmproyk, o opoios se polles synenteyjeis toy leei kai diaforetika pragmata, arketa parallagmena. Ayto poy exw na pw einai oti emeis kaname to xreos mas, enhmerwsame toys pantes. Kai ta gegonota, opws ejelixqhsan, sas einai toso gnwsta, wste na mhn xreiazetai na epanerxomaste s'ayta.

SOYRMELIDHS: H Kybernhsh exei labei epishmws kai armodiws apo thn pleyra ths Oyasigktwn thn protash ths;

REPPAS: Ennoeite thn anakoinwsh toy Leykoy Oikoy, th sygkekrimenh;

SOYRMELIDHS: Ennow ayth thn anakoinwsh.

REPPAS: Ayth h anakoinwsh einai hdh gnwsth. Exei perielqei se gnwsh twn Yphresiwn mas.

SOYRMELIDHS: Epishmws kai armodiws...

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kapoia allh synergasia, epafh h epikoinwnia entos ths opoias egine kai "kata epishmo" - opws lete - tropo, epidosh kapoioy eggrafoy.

MOYRTZHS: Na epanelqoyme sta qemata toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Eipate gia "meiwsh Epitropwn, gia anadiarqrwsh, sygxwneysh syllogikwn kybernhtikwn organwn". Ayta entassontai se ena neo "styl" diakybernhshs poy qelei na epibalei o k. Shmiths; Giati mexri protinos ta organa ayta, ypotiqetai oti, gia na diathroyntai, htan eparkws xrhsima. Ti synebh;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti yphrxan syllogika organa, syllogikhs synqeshs organa, sta plaisia ths Kybernhshs, ta opoia den synedriasan edw kai arketo kairo. Kai eprepe na epanejetastei h xrhsimothta toys. Ara, loipon, egine mia synolikh ejetash - ayto htan ena apo ta qemata ths hmerhsias diatajhs - toy roloy toy xrhsimoy, ton opoio prepei na exoyn ta syllogika organa ths Kybernhshs. Kai diatypwqhkan apoceis peri ths anagkaiothtas synexishs ths yparjhs pollwn ej aytwn twn Epitropwn h taytoxrona peri ths anagkhs poy yparxei, na symptyxqoyn, na anadiarqrwqoyn ws pros th synqesh toys h na dhmioyrghqoyn kainoyrgia organa. Pisteyw oti qa yparjei leptomerhs anakoinwsh, shmera - ayrio. Ayto poy sas lew einai oti apofasisthke h meiwsh twn Epitropwn, giati qewrhqhke pws to kybernhtiko ergo mporei na prowqhqei me ligoteres Epitropes, ligotera ston ariqmo syllogika kybernhtika organa.

MIXAHL: Epanerxomai sto prohgoymeno qema, kai qelw na rwthsw, an yphrje thlefwnikh synomilia toy k. Pagkaloy me ton k. Xolmproyk, sthn opoia o k. Xolmproyk eqese qema meiwshs twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn Ellados kai Toyrkias sto Aigaio.

REPPAS: Peran twn oswn epikoinwniwn sas exoyn ginei gnwstes, den yparxei allh epikoinwnia toy k. Pagkaloy me ton k. Xolmproyk.

MIXAHL: Me kanena allo tropo zhthse o k. Xolmproyk th meiwsh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei allh epikoinwnia, ws ayth th stigmh.

KARASABA: Exoyme kapoia hmeromhnia gia to pote qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos sto ejwteriko; Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies gia thn periodeia toy;

REPPAS: Nomizw, oti to programma qa anakoinwqei. Einai qema ligwn hmerwn, giati pisteyw oti ta tajidia ayta qa ginoyn entos toy mhnos Febroyarioy. Gnwrizw to endiaferon poy exoyn ta tajidia ayta kai thn anagkh poy yparxei na eisqe enhmerwmenoi. Ayto qa ginei entos dyo h triwn hmerwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa parei dhmosiografoys mazi toy;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti, an einai na prosferoyn ergo oi dhmosiografoi qetiko, prepei na einai panta mazi me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ara, qa einai mazi me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Sas eyxaristw para poly.

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