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BRIEFING 12-02-96

Greek Government Press Release Directory

From: Hellenic Ministry of Press <pegasus@compulink.gr>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 12.2.1996

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

Kalhmera sas. Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai ayth thn wra me ton k. Kwnstantopoylo. Sas anakoinwnw oti ayrio, stis 12.00 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Opws exoyme symfwnhsei, apla to shmeiwnw kai pali, h syzhthsh mas qa ginei mish wra meta to telos ths Synedriashs toy Kybernhtikoy Organoy, pali edw, sto Press Room. Opws exoyme symfwnhsei, kata pagio tropo, etsi qa ginetai.

KIAOS: Ena diadikastiko qema. Epeidh tis dyo-treis teleytaies fores, meta th synedriash kybernhtikwn organwn, ginetai edw to briefing...

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio zhthsate eseis. Egw to dexqhka kai parakalw na exoyme ena pagio tropo...

KIAOS: Poioi to zhthsan;

REPPAS: Synadelfoi sas. Thn prwth hmera to zhthsan. Parakalw, mhn epanerxomaste s'ayth thn koybenta.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epeidh epikalesthkan synadelfoi oti ta synergeia mpainoyn mprosta, yparxei tropos na eimaste dejia kai aristera...

REPPAS: Nomizw oti to qema ayto to lysame. Gia na oloklhrwnetai h doyleia twn syntaktwn sto ktirio ths Boylhs, opoy synedriazoyn kapoia organa, symfwnhsame epiprosqetws oti h syzhthsh mas edw qa ginetai mish wra, afotoy oloklhrwqei h synedriash toy opoioy kybernhtikoy organoy h toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, wste eseis na exete oloklhrwsei th doyleia sas kai h syzhthsh na ginetai sto Press Room.

KOGIANNHS: Exoyme qemata ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs;

REPPAS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa asxolhqei me qemata amyntikhs politikhs.
* Sas anakoinwnw, epishs, oti sta plaisia twn periodeiwn toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sto ejwteriko, stis 21 Febroyarioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei stis Bryjelles to Belgo Prwqypoyrgo k. Ntean kai ton Proedro ths "Kommission" k. Santer kai stis 22 toy mhnos qa episkefqei sth Bonnh ton Kagkelario Kol.
** Sas diabazw mia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn opoia ekane me aformh thn prokhryjh toy Synedrioy toy

PASOK: "Xairetizw thn apofash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK gia thn prokhryjh kai dienergeia toy Synedrioy stis 11 - 14 Ioylioy 1996. To Synedrio ayto prepei na apotelesei thn aparxh mias neas periodoy gia thn organwsh toy PASOK. Shmera, exoyme anagkh apo mia organwsh mazikh, anoikth stis proklhseis kai tis anagkes ths epoxhs. Qa petyxoyme ayto to stoxo an egkataleifqoyn ta xarakwmata kai oi skopimothtes.
-An ergasqoyme oloi, osoi apo to 1974 kai meta pistecame kai empneysqhkame apo tis idees kai tis ajies toy PASOK.
-An me pisth sthn enothta kai thn ananewsh toy PASOK to kanoyme akomh pio isxyro kai etoimo na antimetwpisei nikhfora tis maxes poy kaleitai na dwsei gia to symferon ths Elladas".
* Exei teqei ena erwthma apo ton k. Soyrmelidh gia to an h protash poy diatypwse h amerikanikh pleyra mas briskei symfwnoys gia thn antimetwpish toy gnwstoy qematos me th diadikasia ths parapomphs sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs h se allo dikaiodotiko organo dieqnes.
** Epanalambanw oti h idea ayth einai endiaferoysa. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na ejetasqei, opws kaqe idea kai kaqe protash, h opoia exei stoxo na odhghsei sthn apoklimakwsh ths entashs sthn perioxh.
* Epishs, an h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh dexetai oti askei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths sthn perioxh kai an exei kai thn"idiokthsia" - einai etsi diatypwmenh h erwthsh - sthn perioxh kai an th briskei symfwnh h diatypwsh ths protashs apo thn amerikanikh pleyra.
** Epanalambanoyme oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh askei plhrws ta eqnika kai kyriarxika dikaiwmata sthn perioxh. To qema ths "idiokthsias" einai ena qema,to opoio den epidexetai epishs oydemia amfisbhthsh.

MAYROS: O k. synadelfos ekane logo gia kyriarxika dikaiwmata kai...

REPPAS: Nai, kyriarxika dikaiwmata kai h "idiokthsia", en pash periptwsei, einai ellhnikh, as xrhsimopoihsw ayth thn eyreia ennoia. Parakalw, eimai etoimos gia th syzhthsh mas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy mas diabasate, molis prohgoymenws, o k. Shmiths kanei logo gia skopimothtes tis opoies malista kalei na egkataleicoyn oi exontes aytes tis skopimothtes. Se poioys anaferetai o Prwqypoyrgos kai poies skopimothtes ennoei;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh toy omilei gia thn anagkh na egkataleifqoyn oi skopimothtes kai ta xarakwmata. Einai mia diatypwsh qeshs arxhs oti otan ergazomaste gia ena Synedrio to opoio prepei na exei ta xarakthristika, ta opoia anaferei sth dhlwsh toy, prepei akribws, anysteroboyla, me bash arxes kai ajies na ergazomaste kai oxi me bash kapoies skopimothtes. Nomizw oti ayto einai mia pagia qesh, h opoia prepei na xarakthrizei th drasthriothta olwn mas: kai twn kommatikwn stelexwn, alla kai twn dhmosiografwn sth dikh sas doyleia. Na mhn ypokineisqe apo opoiadhpote skopimothta sto ergo to opoio kanete. Einai diatypwsh mias genikhs arxhs.

KAMPRAS: Dhladh den anaferetai otan milaei gia skopimothtes kai gia xarakwmata se omades mesa sto PASOK, mesa sto komma toy;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti einai mia diatypwsh qeshs arxhs kai afora opoiondhpote protassei th skopimothta h thn anagkh na yperaspisqei stena thn proswpikh toy qesh enanti twn ajiwn kai twn arxwn oi opoies pantote prepei na exoyn to probadisma gia anqrwpoys poy exoyn rolo sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras.

KIAOS: Me poia aformh, ti aisqanqhke dhladh gia na kanei ayth thn epishmansh o Prwqypoyr- gos;

REPPAS: H dhlwsh ayth - epanalambanw kai pali - einai akribws enas xairetismos pros thn apofash gia thn organwsh toy Synedrioy toy PASOK kai apanta se fainomena ta opoia xarakthrizontai apo thn yperprobolh qesewn poy perissotero ypakoyoyn se skopimothtes h se ena stena proswpiko orizonta otan ejetazoyme ta pragmata kai oxi sthn kaqodhghsh ths drasthriothtas mas apo arxes kai ajies, oi opoies prepei na empneoyn ena politiko kinhma. Ayto einai kati to opoio - epanalambanw kai pali - exei pagia ajia kai isxy.

KIAOS: Mporeite na mas katonomasete sygkekrimena tetoia fainomena;

REPPAS: Fainomena tetoia yparxoyn se oloys toys tomeis kai einai kaqhmerina. Nomizw oti h ariqmologia qa adikoyse ayth thn wra thn anadeijh mias tetoias qeshs ws qeshs poy exei mia aytonohth ajia, giati einai mia qesh arxhs.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Milhsate gia fainomena kai qa hqela na staqw se ena xqesino fainomeno, ayto poy eidame sthn Kentrikh Epitroph kai sthn antiparaqesh gia to xrono toy Synedrioy, h opoia para ligo na katalhjei kai se kalph. Einai ayta ta fainomena poy odhghsan ton Prwqypoyrgo na kanei ayth th dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Den moy epitrepetai na sxoliasw synedriaseis kommatikwn organwn. Den qa antistaqw omws ston peirasmo kai qa pw oti poly grhgora kai oi pleon dyspistoi krites toy PASOK qa antilhfqoyn oti to PASOK einai ena komma poy leitoyrgei syllogika kai dhmokratika. O k. Prwqypoyrgos endiaferetai na ekfrazontai eleyqera oles oi apoceis me dhmokratiko tropo sta plaisia ths leitoyrgias twn organwn toy Kinhmatos. Kai bebaiws prepei pantote na akoloyqei h wfelimh synqesh twn apocewn aytwn, wste na katalhgoyme se mia koinh grammh, se mia apofash. Kai h apofash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, epishmainw aplws oti htan mia apofash poy sygkentrwse thn pamchfia twn melwn aytoy toy Organoy.

MOYRTZHS: Pisteyete oti orismena melh poy ekanan proswpikh kritikh ston Kwsta Shmith stoxeyan sth dhmosiothta;

REPPAS: Den qa krinw tis qeseis kai apoceis melwn ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. Epishmainw, aplws, oti sta plaisia synedriasewn kommatikwn organwn, ta melh twn organwn aytwn exoyn - kai einai aytonohto - to dikaiwma na ekfrazoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Ayto einai apolytws sebasto ap'oloys mas. Kai apo ton idio ton k. Prwqypoyrgo.

MAYROS: H Kybernhsh toy k. Shmith milhse gia neo hqos. Nomizw oti ypobibazoyme o enas th nohmosynh toy alloy. Diabazw akribws th dhlwsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy "qa petyxoyme ayto to stoxo an egkataleifqoyn ta xarakwmata kai oi skopimothtes". Ayth h dhlwsh se kapoioys anaferetai, exei sygkekrimenoys apodektes. Pisteyw oti paizoyme "kryftoyli"... Leei "an egkataleifqoyn ta xarakwmata kai oi skopimothtes", den prokeitai gia pagia arxh. Ara, kapoioi einai "xarakwmenoi". Kapoioi qigontai emmesws apo ayth th dhlwsh (den akoygetai). Peite kalytera "den sxoliazw", alla mh mas lete oti einai pagia arxh...

REPPAS: Parakalw! Eseis ejagete ta symperasmata sas. H dhlwsh, h topoqethsh, h apoch poy ekfrazetai apo opoiondhpote, einai topoqethsh h opoia apeyqynetai se opoion einai apodekths ths, se opoion thn akoyei h se opoion th diabazei. Nomizw, loipon, epeidh eseis milhsate gia "kryftoyli", to opoio dhqen paizoyme, eseis oi idioi poly kala gnwrizete oti den prepei na anamenete apo emena kapoia apanthsh, giati thn apanthsh hdh thn exete. Einai h empeiria thn opoia exoyme apokomisei oloi gia to pws sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras anaptysso- ntai oi politikes kai oxi mono drasthriothtes. Nomizw, loipon, oti s'ayto to qema den prepei na meinoyme allo.

FILHS: Se allo qema. Sxetika me thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Bonnh, opoy qa synanthqei me ton Kagkelario Kol, sthn "atzenta" twn synomiliwn yparxei kai to qema twn germanikwn epanorqwsewn;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra einai se synennohsh to Grafeio toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me jenes Kybernhseis gia na oloklhrwqei h "atzenta" twn episkecewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy se jenes prwteyoyses kai oi synomilies toy me jenoys hgetes. H sygkekrimenh "atzenta", h qematografia h opoia qa apasxolhsei ton Prwqypoyrgo se aytes tis synanthseis me toys alloys hgetes, qa kaqoristei kai qa sas anakoinwqei.

MAYROS: Apanthsate oti askoyme plhrws ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata stis braxonhsides Imia. Wstoso, exoyme 15 hmeres, anejarthta gia poia skopimothta, kai mia apostratiwtikopoih- menh perioxh (den akoygetai). Kai exoyn parelqei 15 hmeres.

REPPAS: Poia einai h perioxh ayth, kyrie Mayro;

MAYROS: Oi braxonhsides Imia.

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei kat'epanalhch s'ayta ta qemata, tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Aplws, sxoliazw oti epi 48 xronia poy mas anhkoyn ayta ta nhsia, meta th Symfwnia toy 1947, den yphrxe stratos ekei kai den yphrxe kanena problhma ekfrashs agwnias peri ths meiwsews ths eqnikhs mas yperhfaneias h ajioprepeias. Nomizw oti ayto einai ena qema sto opoio exoyme apanthsei kai prepei na to proseggizoyme pantote me idiaiterh prosoxh.

MAYROS: Poly swsta ta lete. Alla, gia prwth fora meta apo 48 xronia topoqethsame batraxanqrwpoys prin apo 15 hmeres. (den akoygetai). Twra...;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se ayta ta qemata, kyrie Mayro, kai nomizw oti oi xeirismoi oi opoioi apaitoyn eyaisqhsia kai leptothta htan tetoioi wste na mas odhghsoyn se ena - pisteyw - para poly kalo apotelesma. Oi xeirismoi poy ginontai gia to sygkekrimeno qema, pistecte me oti apaitoyn kai sth synexeia thn idia leptothta kai eyaisqhsia apo meroys mas. Kai ayth thn epideiknyoyme.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes diabasame se kyriakatikh efhmerida to plhres keimeno ths rhmatikhs diakoinwshs poy to toyrkiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn epedwse sthn ellhnikh pleyra tis hmeres ths krishs. Kai pera apo toys gnwstoys isxyrismoys, yparxei sthn teleytaia paragrafo to "zoymi" an moy epitrepete, opoy h Toyrkia kalei thn Ellada se diapragmateyseis oxi mono gia ta qemata twn braxonhsidwn alla kai gia to zhthma ths orioqethshs twn xwrikwn ydatwn kai leei oti ayto qa mporoyse ayto na syzhthqei kai na fqasei se peras k.lp. Apo pleyras Kybernhsews den exoyme mexri stigmhs epi toy sygkekrime- noy qematos symptwsh ths xronikhs kai ths diekdikhshs ayths ths toyrkikhs kati sygkekrime- no.

REPPAS: H energeia ayth ths Toyrkias, k. Kacampelh, einai mia diplwmatikh energeia. Apo thn pleyra ths Ellados exoyn ginei oi antistoixes diplwmatikes energeies. Alla, peran toytoy, einai safhs - kai oydeis mporei na thn amfisbhthsei - h kat' epanalhch diatypwmenh qesh ths Ellados oti den exei na syzhthsei kai na diapragmateyqei o,tidhpote exei sxesh me ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. Kai ayto - an qelete - apodeiknyei thn apotelesmatikh antimetwpish ths prosfaths ellhno-toyrkikhs krishs apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, doqentos oti para ta osa h Toyrkia qa hqele h epediwke, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh me toys xeirismoys toys opoioys ekane, den odhghqhke sthn trapeza twn diapragmateysewn, opws - kai fainetai ayto - qa hqele h allh pleyra.

KACAMPELHS: Pantws, prokyptei oti tis meres ths krisews eteqh ayto to qema, twn xwrikwn ydatwn.

REPPAS: Einai ena qema poy to qetei h Toyrkia kat' epanalhch kai synexws kai me diaforoys tropoys. Alla, kat' epanalhch kai synexws kai me diaforoys tropoys, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei kanei gnwsth thn anypoxwrhth qesh ths sto sygkekrimeno qema.

FILHS: Ek paradromhs h den jerw pws anaferetai synexws se kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths Elladas epi ths Imia. Kyriarxika dikaiwmata h kyriarxia askei h Ellada epi ths Imia;

REPPAS: Eqnikh kyriarxia kai ta ej ayths dikaiwmata.

FILHS: Sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy anaferqhke h apaithsh twn Toyrkwn na yparjei orioqethsh ths qalassias grammhs twn xwrikwn ydatwn. Oso afora ta Dwdekanhsa einai dedomenh ayth h orioqethsh ths qalassias grammhs. Edw, synepws, ap' o,ti katalabainw, diabazontas to keimeno ths rhmatikhs diakoinwshs, anaferetai sto Boreio Aigaio.

REPPAS: Epi olwn aytwn twn qematwn, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei jekaqarh qesh h opoia sas einai gnwsth. Parakalw mhn epanerxesqe se ayta ta qemata.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Lymperhs xqes emfanisqhke se kyriakatikh efhmerida kai oyte ligo - oyte poly eipe oti ean o idios milhsei kapoioi qa kryftoyn enw eipe, oti ean yparxei htta, tote ayth einai htta twn politikwn kai oxi twn stratiwtikwn. Exete kapoio sxolio epi twn dhlwsewn aytwn;

REPPAS: Den exei kanei aytes tis dhlwseis o k. Lymperhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To exete ereynhsei ayto;

REPPAS: Nai. Den exei kanei aytes tis dhlwseis o k. Lymperhs.

KACAMPELHS: Synolika pantws, eite exei kanei eite den exei kanei dhlwseis o k. Lymperhs, k. Ypoyrge yparxei ena qema, to opoio an den kanw laqos tiqetai kai apo stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, oti dhladh h arnhsh toy Arxhgoy GEEQA na paraithqei den einai mia aplh istoria enos kratikoy stelexoys poy paraiteitai. Kai oti h Kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa eprepe na exei kinhsei alles diadikasies.

REPPAS: Apanthsame kai proxqes se analogo erwthma k. Kacampelh. Epanerxomai gia na pw aplws oti oi xeirismoi poy ginontai, ginontai me thn symfwnh gnwmh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn. Kai to problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke me thn arnhsh toy k. Lymperh na paraithqei, einai ena problhma to opoio pisteyw oti antimetwpizetai me tetoio tropo, wste kai kradasmoi na mhn dhmioyrgoyntai kai na ikanopoihqoyn oi nomikes proypoqeseis poy apaiteitai na ikanopoihqoyn wste na yparjei lysh sto problhma.

PARIS: Protiqetai o k. Shmiths, sth synanthsh toy me ton k. Kol, na qesei to qema twn germanikwn epanorqwsewn;

REPPAS: Sas eipa, oti h qematologia twn synanthsewn aytwn qa sas ginei gnwsth otan kaqorisqei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na antapokriqei sthn prosklhsh toy Arxhgoy ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs gia thleoptiko dialogo;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti o k. Ebert eixe th dynatothta na kanei to dialogo ayto thn wra poy pragmatika briskotan se ejelijh h krish, ston koryfaio koinoboyleytiko qesmo, sto idio to Koinoboylio, pragma to opoio o k. Ebert arnhqhke kai den ajiopoihse thn eykairia thn istorikh poy toy paroysiasthke. Eykairia me thn opoia eixe th dynatothta oxi mono na probalei tis apoceis toy kai na peisei ton ellhniko lao gia to dikaio twn apocewn toy, alla kyriws na syntelesei sthn oikodomhsh, sygkrothsh ths - kata th gnwmh toy - kalyterhs eqnikhs grammhs apenanti sthn ellhno-toyrkikh krish. O k. Ebert aresketai se mia politikh dhmioyrgias entypwsewn. Einai mia politikh qeamatos. Einai mia politikh h opoia, pisteyei o idios, ton bohqaei sto na petyxei ston apolyta proswpiko toy stoxo na ginei Prwqypoyrgos. Olh toy h praktikh, h politikh einai ypotagmenh se ayto to stoxo kai adiaforei pantelws gia ta pragmatika problhmata ths xwras kai toy laoy mas. Qa erqei h wra poy qa ginei aytos o dialogos. Arkei o k. Ebert na deijei sthn prajh oti pragmatika endiaferetai o dialogos aytos na einai gia to kalo ths Ellados, gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn kai oxi gia na apokomisei o idios kapoia ofelh poy ek twn pragmatwn - qa moy epitrecete na pw - exei apodeixqei oti kai ayto den mporei na to katorqwsei. To antiqeto malista.

KIAOS: Epeidh eimaste sta qemata ayta twn "naymaxiwn", eswterikwn kai ejwterikwn...

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata k. Kiao ta exoyme syzhthsei ejantlhtika.

KIAOS: Poia;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata ta opoia aporreoyn apo thn ellhno-toyrkikh krish kai ta osa anadeixqhkan ws epi meroys stoixeia.

KIAOS: An moy epitrepete, exw mia aporia.

REPPAS: Parakalw.

KIAOS: Sth xqesinobradinh sas dhlwsh milate gia th fhmologia poy ekporeyetai apo kentro ektos Ellados kai einai anepitrepto na anaparagetai apo opoiodhpote meso sth xwra. Apodekths einai o k. Arsenhs;

REPPAS: Apodekths einai opoiosdhpote akoyei h diabazei ayth th dhlwsh.

KIAOS: Omilw sygkekrimena, dioti o k. Arsenhs eixe anaferqei, milwntas sth Synodo ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs se sygkekrimena qemata, kalwntas ton Prwqypoyrgo na jekaqarisei...

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti ayto to qema ths ellhno-toyrkikhs entashs, epeidh apasxolhse thn dieqnh koinh gnwmh kai diatypwqhkan sxolia, qewroyme pws opoiadhpote paratash aytwn twn sxoliwn en zwh, sto proskhnio, den bohqaei sthn politikh ths Kybernhshs. Sthn politikh dhladh, poy exei anagkh h xwra shmera. Me ayth thn ennoia qewroyme pws an den yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia, o,tidhpote krataei zwntanh ayth th fhmologia einai blaptiko. Kai me ayth thn ennoia den mas briskei symfwnoys mia tetoia praktikh.

MOYRTZHS: Ara, apodokimazete emmesws toys ypainigmoys Arsenh.

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs - ej oswn gnwrizw - dhlwse oti kalyptetai apolyta apo th dhlwsh ayth. Ara, yparxei symfwnia me ton k. Arsenh.

BAREMENOS: To ereqisma gia na kanw thn erwthsh ayth k. Ypoyrge, to phra apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws. O k. Andreas Papandreoy den hqele na emfanisqei sthn thleorash me ton k. Mhtsotakh dioti eixe proswpiko problhma.

REPPAS: Poios eixe proswpiko problhma;

BAREMENOS: O k. Papandreoy. Elege oti den emfanizomai sthn thleorash me ton Mhtsotakh poy einai etsi h alliws.

REPPAS: Kanena proswpiko problhma den exei o k. Papandreoy me kanenan. Den exei proswpika problhmata o k. Papandreoy kai apedeije oti se wres krisews steketai panw apo ayto poy eseis to lete proswpiko problhma.

BAREMENOS: Gia thleoptiko dialogo me ton k. Mhtsotakh, den eixe problhma;

REPPAS: Pisteyw, oti eixe o k. Papandreoy kat' epanalhch, th dynatothta kai sth Boylh kai alloy, na syzhthsei ta qemata ths xwras me ton k. Mhtsotakh.

BAREMENOS: Eixe arnhqei epanhleimmena thleoptikes protaseis.

REPPAS: Eixe mia taktikh h opoia htan diaforetikh apo thn taktikh thn opoia eixe prokrinei o k. Mhtsotakhs. Ayto den shmainei tipote allo.

BAREMENOS: Pantws den ekane dialogo sthn thleorash.

REPPAS: H erwthsh, loipon;

BAREMENOS: H erwthsh einai, mhpws isxyei tipota antistoixo me ton k. Shmith kai ton k. Ebert;

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths, k. Baremene, exei epaggelqei th dhmokratikh kai syllogikh leitoyrgia twn Organwn toy PASOK. Ayto hdh ginetai prajh. Kai na eiste sigoyroi oti o k. Shmiths ws ypeyqynos politikos, Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, qa enhmerwsei kataleptws kai ton ellhniko lao kai qa breqei akribws kai se mia tetoioy eidoys antiparaqesh me toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys, prokeimenoy na katadeixqei h yperoxh kai to dikaio twn qesewn ths Kybernhshs enanti twn qesewn allwn kommatwn.

BAREMENOS: Dhladh, den apokleiete na ginei thleoptikos dialogos;

REPPAS: Poios to apekleise ayto;

KARAKWSTAS: Ejetazei h Kybernhsh to endexomeno sygklhshs toy Symboylioy politikwn Arxhgwn;

REPPAS: Einai kati, to opoio kat' epanalhch, epishs, exw apanthsei. Den to apokleioyme. Den to blepoyme twra.

MAYROS: Sth xqesinh dhlwsh sas anaferete oti egine mia symfwnia me thn Kybernhsh Klinton. Se sxesh me ayth th dhlwsh sas, o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs yposthrizei meres twra oti ayth h symfwnia egine sth 1:30 nyxta Triths pros Tetarth kai prin apobibasqoyn Toyrkoi batraxanqrwpoi sthn Imia. To diaceydete ayto;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti gia prwth fora, se analoges periptwseis, yparxei toso diafanhs kai ejwstrefhs - as moy epitrapei na pw - enhmerwsh gia ta qemata akribws ayths ths ellhno-toyrkikhs krishs. Kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK egine ektetamenos dialogos kai sta plaisia allwn Kybernhtikwn Organwn. Ta stoixeia ayths ths krishs sas einai en pollois - gia na mhn pw kaq' oloklhrian - gnwsta, wste o k. Ebert na mhn exei thn polyteleia na leei pragmata diaforetika se sxesh me aythn thn ellhno-toyrkikh krish. An synexisei etsi na milaei o k. Ebert, qa milaei esaei ws Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Alla ayto einai problhma diko toy.

MAYROS: To diaceydete dhladh;

REPPAS: Kathgorhmatikws.

ARAMPATZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ginontai kapoies kinhseis sthn Komothnh peri anegersews "mayswleioy Sadik". Kati tetoio skeptetai na to epitrecei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh me thn politikh ths - opws oles oi ellhnikes Kybernhseis - exei ejasfalisei plhrws ta dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn politwn ths Qrakhs, anejarthtws qrhskeyma- tos. Pisteyoyme loipon oti sta plaisia ayths ths politikhs oi Ellhnes moysoylmanoi ths Qrakhs qa broyn thn arwgh kai thn prostasia toy kratoys se o,ti dikaioyntai, alla taytoxronws to ellhniko kratos einai apofasismeno na diafylajei, me kaqe nomimo meso kai tropo, thn hremia, thn koinwnikh galhnh sthn perioxh. Etsi wste me programmata oikonomikhs anaptyjhs na bohqhqei ayth h perioxh, na zhsei kalyteres meres. Kai oi anqrwpoi ths anejarthtws - epanalambanw kai pali - qrhskeymatos, na eytyxhsoyn.

FILHS: To mayswleio einai nomimo;

REPPAS: Sygkekrimena, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, an yparxei tetoio qema, qa to dei poly sygkekrimena. Yparxoyn polles plhrofories gia polla qemata. Alla oi plhrofories opws jerete, den dhmioyrgoyn aytomatws thn anagkh ameshs antidrashs. Oi plhrofories ejetazontai kai h antidrash yparxei otan oi plhrofories einai konta sto shmeio na apotelesoyn ena gegonos.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Grammateas toy PASOK o k. Skandalidhs, sthn eishghsh toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, eipe oti gia mas einai aitia polemoy h epektash twn Toyrkwn sthn Kypro. Qelw na epishmanw oti ayth h qesh den yparxei stis Programmatikes Dhlwseis. Ti qa ginei; Qa khryjei to komma ton polemo, mono toy, xwris thn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den yparxei komma kai den yparxei Kybernhsh poy na briskontai se diastash. To komma einai to PASOK kai h Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh PASOK. H politikh einai eniaia. Einai h politikh poy exoyme epejergasqei kai h qesh h sygkekrimenh einai diatypwmenh qesh sta plaisia ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Kybernhshs. H opoia epibebaiwqhke - qa moy epitrecete na pw - kai kata thn prosfath synanthsh poy eixe o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Klhridh.

MARDAS: Sto sygkekrimeno zhthma: ayth h qesh toy Grammatea einai kai qesh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Einai h qesh ths politikhs toy PASOK gia ta ejwterika kai amyntika qemata kai einai asfalws h qesh ths Kybernhshs.

MARDAS: Gia thn Kybernhsh isxyei to Prwtokollo ths Boyliagmenhs kai h Symfwnia ths Bernhs;

REPPAS: Einai kapoies Symfwnies h Mnhmonia - an qelete - ta opoia h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den ta agnoei.

KACAMPELHS: Exoyme neotera apo tis allages stis Dioikhseis twn Trapezwn kai twn DEKO, alla kai sthn ERT h opoia ypagetai sthn dikh sas armodiothta;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neotero. Otan yparjoyn apofaseis, qa sas anakoinwqoyn.

FILHS: Me ton k. Mirko ti ginetai;

REPPAS: O k. Mirkos, opws gnwrizete, einai akoma Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados epeidh prepei na prohghqei h diadikasia ths chfishs ths topoqethshs toy k. Karatza sth qesh toy Dioikhtoy ths Eqnikhs Trapezas, apo thn armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph. Ayto qa ginei kai qa topoqethqei o k. Karatzas.

MAYROS: Me sygxwreite para poly, alla phga na plhrwsw thn karta moy sthn Emporikh Trapeza kai oi ypallhloi moy eipan oti o k. Kasmas exei hdh paei ekei gia na antikatasthsei ton k. Poylh.

REPPAS: O k. Poylhs einai sto grafeio toy. Den exei anakoinwqei opoiadhpote apofash gia allagh sth Dioikhsh ths Emporikhs Trapezas. Egw den phga na kataqesw xrhmata h na kanw analhch kai etsi orismena pragmata ta opoia eseis plhroforeisqe, den exw thn tyxh na plhroforoymai egw.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton k. Mirko;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me polloys: boyleytes, stelexh, paragontes ths dhmosias zwhs. Anqrwpoys poy qewrei oti exei kati mazi toys na moirasei: problhmatismo, apoch k.lp. Kai nomizw oti an qewrhqei skopimo na synanthqei me ton k. Mirko, qa synanthqei.

KOGIANNHS: Endexetai na paei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, to Sabbatokyriako;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti exei allo programma. Sas eyxaristw poly.

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