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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-02-23

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23.2.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Kalhmera sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw, arxika, gia ta basika shmeia toy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

* Shmera to prwi dexthke ton Proedro toy Emporikoy kai Biomhxanikoy Epimelhthrioy Aqhnwn (EBEA) k. Papaqanasioy kai ayth thn wra exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK K. Skandalidh. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa proedreysei sth synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy Kinhmatos.

* Ayrio to prwi, stis 11 h wra, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei sth syskech ths Epitrophs Megalwn Ergwn. To meshmeri qa exei thn programmatismenh, meta geymatos, synanthsh toy me boyleytes toy PASOK, to Proedreio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai toys koinoboyleytikoys ekproswpoys.

* Thn Tetarth, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy" qa apanthsei se erwthseis toy boyleyth toy PASOK k. Laloy, gia syntajiodotika qemata, kai ths boyleytoy toy Synaspismoy kas Loyle gia th monada kataskeyhs filtrwn texnhtoy nefroy sth Larisa.

* Thn Pempth, qa diejaxqei sth Boylh syzhthsh pro hmerhsias diatajhs, poy exei zhthsei h Grammateas toy KKE ka Paparhga, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn ejwterikh politikh kai idiaiterws tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai to NATO.

* Thn Paraskeyh, qa ginei koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias toy PASOK.

Ayta apo thn pleyra moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KACAMPELHS: Ti sxesh eixan oi xqesines dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ta ideologika kai politika zhthmata toy PASOK, me diadikasies ths Neolaias toy Kinhmatos; Mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos diatypwse ena qetiko logo. Oi qeseis aytes aphxoyn toys prosanatolismoys toy. Einai, qa elega, mia proseggish yperbashs gia thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, poy den einai tipote allo para h prospaqeia na lysoyme ta problhmata ths xwras. Den einai logos antiparaqetikos, den einai logos rhjhs, einai logos qetikos gia thn antimetwpish twn megalwn qematwn ths xwras.

KACAMPELHS: Yphrje kapoia aformh; Giati oi dhlwseis aytes den einai para mia epanalhch palaiwn qesewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos epanalambanei to aytonohto. Alla to aytonohto den einai toso aytonohto oso aytonohto to nomizoyme. Ara, loipon, analogws twn ejelijewn, pantote einai xrhsimo na yparxei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo aytos o anaprosanatolismos sta megala qemata ths xwras, poy apoteloyn kai proklhseis gia thn Kybernhsh mas, afoy h entolh poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh einai na epilysei ta problhmata ths xwras kai na mhn asxoleitai me deyterhs shmasias qemata.

KACAMPELHS: Apo stelexh toy PASOK den einai aytonohto;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti oloi ligo - poly gnwrizoyme ti einai ayto to opoio apotelei to meizon, se sxesh me ayto poy einai to elasson. O Prwqypoyrgos kai h Kybernhsh exoyn apofasisei na asxoloyntai me ta meizona. Kai sto plaisio ayto, me ayton ton tropo ton poly sygkekrimeno, kanoyn safh th qesh toys kai ston ellhniko lao.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Shmera to prwi, eprokeito na syzhthqei sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs to flegon zhthma ths symmetoxhs twn Toyrkokypriwn stis entajiakes diapragmateyseis ths Kyproy. Diatypwqhke kapoia formoyla h elhfqh kapoia apofash;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoia apofash. Yparxei h politikh qesh poy einai gnwsth kai se sas, qesh h opoia symperilambanei kai toys Toyrkokyprioys sthn omada ayth poy qa diapragmateyqei gia logariasmo ths Kyproy thn entajh ths Megalonhsoy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Alla, bebaiws, ayto den mporei na ginei me enan tetoio tropo, o opoios qa odhgei af' enos se anagnwrish ths katastashs poy exei dhmioyrghqei sta katexomena san na einai mia allh kratikh ontothta kai af' eteroy den mporei na odhgei se yponomeysh twn diadikasiwn gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. O Proedros k. Klhridhs edw kai para poly kairo exei zhthsei na symmetexoyn oi Toyrkokyprioi -kai emeis symfwnoyme apolytws. Ayto to opoio prepei na ginei einai na ejetastei o kalyteros tropos gia thn entajh toys sthn omada twn diapragmateysewn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayth, bebaia, einai h ellhnikh apoch, h opoia einai gnwsth. Sas rwthsa an shmera qa elambaneto mia apofash apo toys "15".

REPPAS: Den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash. Diatypwnontai diafores qeseis tis opoies blepoyme kai emeis se dhlwseis poy kanoyn jenoi ajiwmatoyxoi. H qesh mas paramenei ayth sthn opoia anaferqhka. Den einai dynato na ginei dekth opoiadhpote allh qesh, h opoia qa odhgei eite se anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys ws kyriarxoy kratoys, eite se ek twn proterwn yponomeysh twn diadikasiwn entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E., apo to logo ths symmetoxhs twn ekproswpwn twn Toyrkokypriwn sthn omada diapragmateyshs.

FASOYLAS: Yparxei protash estw kai se anepishmo epipedo toy k. Xolmproyk gia thn ypografh enos Symfwnoy mh epiqesews anamesa sthn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia; Sxetikes plhrofories grafthkan sto xqesino "BHMA".

REPPAS: Den yparxei kapoia "formoyla" me sygkekrimeno periexomeno epi toy opoioy mporoyme na kanoyme kapoies parathrhseis. Tetoies idees erxontai kai parerxontai kata kairoys, afoy den exei diatypwqei opoiadhpote epishmh protash. Den exei perielqei se gnwsh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kapoio periexomeno shmeiwn epi toy opoioy kaloymaste na paroyme qesh. Gnwrizete poia einai h politikh mas. Emeis pisteyoyme pws h ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, poy mporei bebaiws na odhghsei kai sthn ypografh Symfwnwn mh epiqesews h filias kai synergasias, einai efikth, efoson kai h Toyrkia dextei pws o sebasmos sto Dieqnes Dikaio h h ajiopoihsh twn diadikasiwn toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs apoteloyn toys basikoys pylwnes gia thn prowqhsh ayths ths politikhs, ths filias kai ths synergasias.

KARASABBA: Poia einai h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia thn epiteyxqeisa symfwnia metajy toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE Kofi Anan kai ths Irakinhs Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Einai mia para poly qetikh ejelijh. Ekfrazoyme thn ikanopoihsh mas giati eixame parembei, prokeimenoy na ejantlhqoyn ola ta periqwria gia thn anazhthsh mias synainetikhs lyshs sto problhma poy exei prokycei. Pisteyoyme pws qa oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia me th sygkataneysh kai twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn kai twn allwn xwrwn - melwn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, etsi wste na apofeyxqei telika h polemikh anametrhsh ston Kolpo. Ayth h qetikh ejelijh mas xaropoiei.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: To xqesino "BHMA" anaferetai se oxi epishmopoihsh ths protashs Xolmproyk, alla se ychloy epipedoy bolidoskophseis. Ayto to diaceydete;

REPPAS: Den qa elega oti prokeitai gia bolidoskophseis. Qa elega oti idees exoyn diatypwqei edw kai para polla xronia gia tetoioy eidoys qemata. Exoyn diatypwqei apo thn periodo akomh poy to PASOK den eixe ginei Kybernhsh. Me ayth thn ennoia, den exoyme kati kainoyrgio gia na paroyme qesh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh pote qa dwsei thn apanthsh stis protaseis Tzem;

REPPAS: Einai qema ligoy xronoy na doqei h apanthsh, isws kai elaxistoy xronoy.

SOYRMELH: Giati argei;

REPPAS: Den qa elega oti exei arghsei. Gnwrizete oti h apanthsh mas prepei na diatypwqei me olh th deoysa prosoxh kai ayto ginetai.

MIXAHL: Shmera, se synenteyjh poy exete dwsei sthn efhmerida "ELEYQEROTYPIA", lete oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai symmetoxos, symmetexei dhladh sthn politikh ths Kybernhshs kai sthn ideologia thn opoia ekfrazei. Qa hqela loipon na sas rwthsw, an me ayto to dedomeno o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai h stash poy krathse sto prosfato Synedrio ths Neolaias symbadizoyn.

REPPAS: Prepei na kanw mia diakrish, gia mia akomh fora: Den einai logiko, na syzhtoyme edw synenteyjeis tis opoies dinei enas Ypoyrgos. P.x. th synenteyjh poy dinw egw ws Ypoyrgos. Gnwrizete poly kala, pws etsi, exw ena pronomiako tropo na diaxeirizomai ta osa exw pei stis synenteyjeis moy. Giati alloi Ypoyrgoi poy dinoyn synenteyjeis -epeidh akribws den exoyn th dynatothta ths epikoinwnias me toys politikoys syntaktes- den mporoyn na syzhthsoyn to periexomeno twn synenteyjewn toys ...

KIAOS: Tote, as erqoyn edw.

REPPAS: Para tayta, epeidh qelw na kleisoyme to qema, xwris na eimai toso poly arnhtikos sto na syzhthsoyme ayto poy qesate, lew toyto: Egw eipa oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos eite ws Ypoyrgos, eite ws ychlobaqmo kommatiko stelexos, symmetexei sth diamorfwsh twn apofasewn kai bebaiws sthn paragwgh ths politikhs kai ths ideologias toy Kinhmatos. Ayto einai aytonohto. Kai sas ypenqymizw oti epanelaba ayto poy eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, molis xqes, oti sto PASOK den yparxoyn politikes ideologikes diafores. O idios o k. Tsoxatzopoylos to eipe kai symfwnoyme apolytws. Ayth einai h alhqeia. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, yparxoyn apoceis gia tis proseggiseis poy prepei na ginoyn se diafora qemata h gia toys xeirismoys oi opoioi qewroyntai kaqe fora, oi pleon endedeigmenoi.

MIXAHL: Egw rwthsa allo pragma: An o k. Tsoxatzopoylos me dedomeno to oti eseis ton qewreite symmetoxo -kati to opoio den yparxei logos na mas to peite, to katanooyme- symbadizei to oti einai symmetoxos kai symballei sthn kybernhtikh politikh kai thn ideologia, me th stash poy krathse sto Synedrio ths Neolaias.

REPPAS: Sas diafeygei, oti gia to poly sygkekrimeno qema exw apanthsei se erwthsh poly safh. An mporeite, na xrhsimopoihsete thn apanthsh poy edwsa. Yparxei poly sygkekrimenh erwthsh, gi' ayto akribws poy qetete eseis.

MIXAHL: To katanow.

REPPAS: Ara, loipon;

MIXAHL: Kai meta ta osa eginan, epimenete, symfwneite eseis na lete oti symbadizei, oti einai symmetoxos;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Den yparxei opoiodhpote qema, giati milw ws Ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs, to opoio na dhmioyrgei problhma sthn Kybernhsh.

MIXAHL: Ara, den anhkei sto parelqon o k. Tsoxatzopoylos.

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos anhkei sto paron kai to mellon toy PASOK. Kai to paron kai to mellon toy PASOK sthrizetai metajy twn allwn kai sthn istoria toy PASOK. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai o k. Shmiths exoyn mia parallhlh poreia, pollwn xronwn sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras. Kai bebaiws, ws idrytika stelexh toy PASOK, sto plaisio toy Kinhmatos, exoyn thn paroysia toys edw kai para polla xronia, me diaforoys roloys, apo diafores qeseis.

PODHMATA: Eipate prin, kyrie Ypoyrge, se erwthsh synadelfoy, oti h Ellada einai yper ths ejomalynshs twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn kai qewrei oti mporei na odhghqei kapoia stigmh sthn ypografh enos tetoioy "symfwnoy mh epiqeshs" h kai "filias kai synergasias", efoson h Toyrkia apodexqei toys kanones Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai ths dikaiodosias ths Xaghs, an sygkrathsa kala ta osa eipate. Ayto shmainei oti ayta ta dyo shmeia tiqentai ws proypoqeseis apo thn Ellada gia thn apodoxh enos tetoioy symfwnoy; Ayto einai to prwto skelos ths erwthshs. Kai to deytero, h Ellada qewrei oti h ypografh enos tetoioy "symfwnoy mh epiqeshs" einai katalhktiko; Dhladh prohgoyntai alles diadikasies ejomalynshs, oi opoies mporoyn na odhghsoyn ekei;

REPPAS: Epeidh apanthsate sta qemata poy qesate, qa perioristw na pw mono, oti h politikh poy askoyme einai gnwsth, einai safhs. Emeis epiqymoyme thn proseggish me thn Toyrkia. Epiqymoyme klima filias kai synergasias. Ayto, bebaiws, to klima filias kai synergasias den einai keno periexomenoy. Metajy twn allwn symperilambanei to sebasmo sto Dieqnes Dikaio h thn thrhsh twn diadikasiwn poy problepontai apo to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizoyme qemata poy apoteloyn kai shmeia diaforas metajy twn xwrwn. Ayta ta qemata, omws, h Toyrkia ta antimetwpizei -toylaxiston mexri twra- me enan arnhtiko tropo.

Bebaiws, h politikh mas ayth dinei th dynatothta se opoiondhpote trito, na diapistwsei poso kaloproaireth, poso kalopisth einai h diaqesh me thn opoia proseggizoyme ta ellhnotoyrkika qemata. Kai se mas dinei thn ikanopoihsh oti h politikh mas protash anadeiknyetai ws protash poy mporei na apotelesei th bash gia th staqerothta kai thn asfaleia sthn perioxh. Kai ayto ginetai apodekto apo olo kai perissoteroys, kaqws pernaei o kairos.

Loipon, einai poly prowro na syzhthsoyme gia mia tetoia ejelijh. Sas eipa, omws, pws mporei na prokycei mia tetoia ejelijh. Qa mporoyse na exei ginei xqes, mporei na ginei twra, mporei na ginei ayrio, mporei na mh ginei pote. Den ejartatai apo emas. Ejartatai apo thn apodoxh apo oles tis pleyres twn basikwn kai aytonohtwn arxwn kai dedomenwn poy diepoyn th dieqnh ennomh tajh. Ayto epiqymoyme.

GYPARH: H efhmerida "EQNOS" se reportaz ths anaferei oti h Agkyra amfisbhtei thn ellhnikothta ths braxonhsidas Plath, poy brisketai se apostash miso mili apo thn Kalymno. Malista sto reportaz ths efhmeridas grafetai oti h efhmerida "XOYRIET" kathgorei thn Ellada oti noikiazei th braxonhsida, kanontas prospaqeia na thn ellhnopoihsei. Ti apanta h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata toy synoriakoy kaqestwtos exoyn antimetwpistei. Ayto to opoio den epitrepetai na kanei h Toyrkia, einai kata kairoys na diatypwnei tetoies monomereis ajiwseis, enw taytoxrona emfanizetai me ena proswpeio filiko kai proteinei protaseis dhqen eirhnhs kai synergasias, thn wra poy epididetai se tetoies proklhtikes ajiwseis. Ayto exoyme na sxoliasoyme mono ayth thn wra. Ola ayta einai toso aposafhnismena, wste den qa prepei na apasxoloyn pleon kanenan. An apasxoloyn kapoion -thn Toyrkia en prokeimenw- ths exei ypodeixqei dromos, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei aytoy toy eidoys tis ajiwseis. Mporei na prosfygei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, me tropoys oi opoioi einai para poly gnwstoi kai safeis, prokeimenoy na diatypwsei tis ajiwseis ths aytes. Den to kanei.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh eipate polla, apantwntas stis erwthseis mas, h apanthsh ston k. Tzem qa einai shmera, o elaxistos xronos h ayrio; Gia na jerw pws qa organwsw th doyleia moy.

REPPAS: Mhn perimenete na sas apanthsw egw, pws to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa krinei, apo apoch xronoy, oti prepei na apanthsei. Mporei na einai shmera, mporei na einai ayrio, mporei na einai meqayrio. Pisteyw oti einai qema ligoy xronoy. Einai kati to opoio den mporw na to pw ayth thn wra.

BITSENTZOY: O k. Ntemirel ekane prosfata kapoies dhlwseis apo to Parisi, oti den qa eixe antirrhsh h Toyrkia na teqoyn ta ellhnotoyrkika qemata sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, arkei na teqoyn ola. Pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Yparxei hdh apanthsh toy Yfypoyrgoy k. Kranidiwth, me thn poly eystoxh epishmansh oti ena tetoio shmeio, poy exei stis dhlwseis toy o k. Ntemirel, den perilambanetai sthn protash poy ekane prosfata o k. Tzem. Edw parathreitai mia diastash twn qesewn twn dyo politikwn ths Toyrkias.

Ayto to opoio mporw na pw egw ayth thn wra, einai toyto kai mono toyto: Efoson h Toyrkia proselqei s' ena trapezi kai dhlwsei to endiaferon ths na entaxqei sth dieqnh ennomh tajh, anagnwrizontas th dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, dhmioyrgoyntai pleon nea dedomena. Kai katw apo ayto to neo prisma, mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme diafora qemata. Ayto, omws, einai kati poy den symbainei ayth thn wra kai gi' ayto akribws einai prowro na poyme o,tidhpote allo, to opoio aporreei apo ayth thn apodoxh ek meroys ths Toyrkias twn diadikasiwn toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs.

BITSENTZOY: Ara, qewreite panta, oti h Toyrkia qa prepei ek twn proterwn na anagnwrisei th dikaiodosia. Dhladh den to blepete oti me kapoio synyposxetiko qa mporoysan ta dyo merh na pane na lysoyn ta problhmata toys sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio;

REPPAS: Synyposxetiko yparxei ekei poy einai -kai apo tis dyo pleyres- diapistwmeno oti prokyptei qema diaforas. Kai ayto to qema diaforas einai h yfalokrhpida. Gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos exoyme pei oti prepei na yparjei proergasia, wste na synafqei to synyposxetiko, prokeimenoy to qema na erqei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Apo kei kai pera -epanalambanw- einai mia genikh politikh paradoxh, sthn opoia prepei na probei h Toyrkia, opws exei kanei h Ellada kai alles xwres sthn Eyrwph. Den to kanei h Toyrkia.

FASOYLAS: O k. Ntemirel, omws, epanefere to qema twn gkrizwn zwnwn sto Aigaio. To sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Exoyme kat' epanalhch apanthsei s' ayta ta sxolia poy kanoyn Toyrkoi ajiwmatoyxoi. Einai astoxo thn wra poy les oti epiqymeis kalh geitonia me thn Ellada, taytoxrona na probaineis se tetoioy eidoys emprhstikes dhlwseis.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh anamenei epiqesh kerdoskopwn sth draxmh kai anataraxh sto Xrhmatisthrio kai an exei labei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kapoia sygkekrimena metra;

REPPAS: Anafereste sthn ekqesh enos gnwstoy oikoy, poy kanei logo gia piqanothta na kamfqei h pistwlhptikh ikanothta ths Elladas, an yparjoyn kapoies ejelijeis. Prepei na pw oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme mexri twra exei apodwsei karpoys. Paramenoyme staqeroi se ayth thn politikh poreia. To krisimo megeqos, allwste, apo to opoio mporei kapoios na bgalei symperasmata einai h sygklish, h onomastikh kai pragmatikh. Ta teleytaia xronia h Ellada exei kanei shmantikh proodo s' ayto ton tomea. Ara, loipon, ta apotelesmata ths oikonomikhs politikhs mas dikaiologoyn kaqe aisiodojia. Oi metaptwseis sto Xrhmatisthrio ofeilontai se polloys logoys. Ayto to opoio, sas parakalw, na ejetasete kai na bgalete ta symperasmata sas einai toyto: Mexri twra me epityxia antimetwpisame opoiesdhpote kerdoskopikes taseis. Epeidh h politikh mas einai yper ths staqerhs isotimias toy nomismatos mas, opws ayth exei diamorfwqei mexri twra, prepei na sas diabebaiwsw oti kai sto mellon, me thn askoymenh politikh, ta apotelesmata qa einai to idio epityxh. Ayto prepei na einai to safes mhnyma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, meta tis entones antidraseis twn Kommatwn, mhpws h Kybernhsh skeftetai na paei th symbash ths Flwrinas sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Apanthsame gi ayto to qema, kyrie Stamatopoyle, me kaqe leptomereia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas lew "meta tis antidraseis twn Kommatwn..."

REPPAS: Exei lhfqei apofash. Den gnwrizw poies antidraseis Kommatwn ennoeite. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den eida kapoio komma, epishmws, me apofash kapoioy kentrikoy organoy toy, na diatypwnei kapoia qesh, etsi opws thn ekfrazete eseis. Den eida h hgesia ths N.D. na exei kapoia qesh, h opoia na einai symfwnh me ta osa lete. Yparxoyn apoceis oi opoies exoyn diatypwqei yper ayths ths ejelijhs. Sas eipa poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs kai einai safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn bgei "30" boyleytes kai zhtoyn na paei h symbash sth Boylh. Qa thn pate;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa oti stoys oroys toy diagwnismoy den problepetai h symbash ayth na epikyrwqei apo th Boylh. To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio asxolhqhke se synexeia palaioterhs synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Ektimhse thn ekqesh toy anejarthtoy ektimhth kai katelhje sto symperasma oti to timhma einai eylogo kai antagwnistiko. Gi ayto kalese th DEH na proxwrhsei grhgora sthn kataskeyh toy ergostasioy, sto plaisio ths symbashs poy exei ypogracei me ton kataskeyasth.

KIAOS: Qa synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me th nea hgesia ths Neolaias toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Gi ayta ta qemata den einai logiko na syzhtoyme edw. Einai qemata ta opoia apasxoloyn ta organa toy Kinhmatos.

KIAOS: Egw rwthsa o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, gnwrizete poly kala, ws Proedros toy Kinhmatos ekfrasthke gia to sygkekrimeno qema, apo to politiko plaisio, to opoio orise h Politikh Grammateia toy Kinhmatos.

KIAOS: Pali rwtw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras me thn hgesia mias kommatikhs neolaias, sth prokeimenh periptwsh, th Neolaia PASOK...

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, epanerxomai sthn apanthsh poy edwsa prin. Sas lew oti h politikh qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ws Proedroy toy Kinhmatos, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, ekfrazetai apo to plaisio to opoio anakoinwse h Politikh Grammateia toy Kinhmatos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anagnwrizei h den anagnwrizei o Prwqypoyrgos th nomimothta twn newn organwn, ta opoia proekycan apo to Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK;

REPPAS: Sas anaferw to plaisio poy exei apofasisei h Politikh Grammateia toy Kinhmatos. Meinete se ayto.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: H synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Mixahl, gia th symmetoxh poy eipate sth synenteyjh sto synadelfo k. Swko. Profanws lete oti symmetexei kapoios kai sta qetika kai sta arnhtika. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh o k.Tsoxatzopoylos, o k. Shmiths. Ejypakoyetai ayto;

REPPAS: Opoios symmetexei sthn askhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy h sth diamorfwsh ths politikhs h thn paragwgh ths ideologias toy Kinhmatos, mono kerdh mporei na prosdoka, giati h poreia ayth qa einai apolyta epityxhs kai stis dyo periptwseis.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Stis diatypwseis toy k. Ntemirel, oi opoies ap o,ti katalabainw, qewroyntai qetikes, peri parapomphs olwn twn qematwn sth Xagh, qa yparjei ellhnikh apanthsh;

REPPAS: Kapoia dhlwsh ekane o k. Ntemirel. Gnwrizw, omws, oti kapoia analogh dhlwsh eixe kanei th 10etia toy 1970 gia to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, legontas pws "ki emeis, bebaiws, blepoyme qetika to endexomeno, to qema ayto na paei sth Xagh". Den yphrje, omws, kamia synexeia apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias. Giati, otan eklhqh epishmws na desmeyqei oti qa ferei to qema ayto kai me th dikh ths symbolh sth Xagh, den edwse kamia apanthsh, htan arnhtikh. Ara, loipon, ayto to opoio anamenetai einai h Toyrkia na labei safh kai sygkekrimenh qesh, epi toys zhthmatos ths anagnwrishs h oxi ths dikaiodosias toy dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Ayto einai to qema.

PODHMATA: Qelw na epanelqw sto dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "TO BHMA" poy elege, metajy twn allwn, oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn enhmerwqhkan apo ton Presbh mas sthn Oyasigkton, ton k. Tsila kai apo ton k. Zaxarakh gia tis ejelijeis sto Skopiano. Yparxei kati newtero;

REPPAS: Ta qemata exoyn meinei sto shmeio poy gnwrizete. Den yparxei kapoia ejelijh qeamatikh. H politikh poy exoyme diakhryjei kai askoyme einai politikh poy mporei na odhghsei se epilysh toy problhmatos. Prepei kai h allh pleyra na deijei thn analogh, qa elega, pronoia, enocei ths anaptyjhs, sto mellon, twn sxesewn metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

GYPARH: Gia th Neolaia qelw na rwthsw: Shmera, sth synenteyjh toy sto "EQNOS", o k. Mademlhs, poy apo o,ti fainetai qa einai o neos Grammateas ths Neolaias, dhlwnei oti qa zhthsei synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo...

REPPAS: Ma, einai dynaton ayta ta opoia ginontai sto plaisio toy PASOK, na ta syzhtoyme edw; As anadeixqei Grammateas o k. Mademlhs, as zhthsei synanthsh kai apo ekei kai pera, ta Organa toy Kinhmatos, me bash tis apofaseis poy exoyn labei h toys prosanatolismoys poy xarazoyn gia th diaxeirish twn qematwn toy Kommatos, qa laboyn tis apofaseis toys.

SOYRMELIDHS: Gia to qema ths draxmhs, milhsate prohgoymenws gia epityxia kai gia staqeres taseis sthn oikonomikh politikh. Qelw na rwthsw, an qa meinei staqerh kai h politikh daneismoy apo to ejwteriko.

REPPAS: O daneismos apo to ejwteriko ginetai me feidw. Ginetai sto plaisio mias pagias -ta teleytaia, toylaxiston, xronia- politikhs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis. Ayto, omws, den exei odhghsei se anisorropies. Oi oikonomikes ejelijeis briskontai katw apo aysthro elegxo. Exoyme mia politikh ejygianshs, h opoia apodidei karpoys. Ola, telikws, katateinoyn sto na epityxoyme na krathsoyme staqerh thn isotimia ths draxmhs me ta alla nomismata. Ayto hdh to epitygxanoyme kai qa to epityxoyme mexri teloys.

KARAGIANNH: Gia th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis treis efhmerides, qa mporoysate na mas dieykrinisete, ean htan grapth, htan proion proforikhs synomilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy me stelexh twn efhmeridwn aytwn h metaferqhke mesw tritoy proswpoy;

REPPAS: Apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy diamhnyqhkan stis efhmerides oi qeseis aytes poy aphxoyn tis apoceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

LIARELLHS: Arneiste oti htan dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Oxi, bebaia. Htan dhlwsh.

KARAGIANNH: Htan dhlwsh se eisagwgika;

REPPAS: Eipa, sthn arxh, apantwntas sthn prwth erwthsh, oti oi qeseis aytes aphxoyn prosanatolismoys toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Aphxoyn th boylhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto eipa.

LIARELLHS: Anafereste kai stis treis efhmerides;

REPPAS: Anaferomai stis qeseis oi opoies diatypwqhkan xqes se efhmerides, ws qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai pragmati, einai qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KIAOS: H dieykrinish poy zhtw egw einai h ejhs: Allo pragma an o k. Reppas dhlwse kati se eisagwgika. Allo pragma ayto poy eipe o k. Moyrtzhs (ton blepw, gi' ayto anaferomai s' ayton, einai filos, den exei kamia sxesh), kat' ejoysiodothsh h kat' otidhpote -den exei shmasia- kai metaferei akribws tis qeseis poy mporei na einai kai idies me tis prohgoymenes, alla h dhlwsh toy k. Reppa exei ws ejhs, ayto einai allo pragma.

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio eipa -apanthsa prin- den afhnei kanena periqwrio parermhneias. Eipa oti diamhnyqhke h qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dhladh to Grafeio Typoy metefere tis qeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KACAMPELHS: H prwtoboylia anhke ston Prwqypoyrgo h ...;

REPPAS: H prwtoboylia anhke ston Prwqypoyrgo.

KACAMPELHS: Epeidh ta leme praktika edw. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe sto synergath toy X , pare kai pes tis apoceis moy aytes; Ayto apanthsate;

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh poy kanete;

KACAMPELHS: To janalew: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe sto synergath toy X , pare se efhmerides thlefwno kai pes ayta...

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, mesw toy Grafeioy Typoy toy, ekane gnwstes tis dhlwseis toy gia sygkekrimena qemata.

KACAMPELHS: Stis sygkekrimenes efhmerides;

REPPAS: Asfalws, stis sygkekrimenes efhmerides.

Sas eyxaristw poly.


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