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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-11-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 2 Noembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw se genikes grammes gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

* Gnwrizete oti ayrio oloklhrwnetai h syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh.

* Thn Tetarth qa ginei sth Boylh to politiko mnhmosyno sth mnhmh toy Gewrgioy Papandreoy. Qa milhsoyn o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi politikoi arxhgoi.

* Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai qa syzhthsei to G' Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs. Einai to qema poy eprokeito na syzhthsei thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh.

To apogeyma ths idias hmeras kai to Sabbato qa synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK.

* Th Deytera kai thn Trith o Prwqypoyrgos qa pragmatopoihsei epishmh episkech sthn Polwnia.

* Thn Pempth (12 Noembrioy) qa exoyme th xara na ypodexqoyme sthn patrida mas ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias Pantelh Maiko, sto plaisio epishmhs episkechs. Qa synergastei me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia qemata koinoy endiaferontos.

Oson afora th syzhthsh sth Boylh, gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs sthn Kybernhsh, ayth brisketai se ejelijh. Shmera h syzhthsh synexizetai mono to apogeyma, enw ayrio qa yparxei kai prwinh synedriash kai qa oloklhrwqei me thn chfoforia ta mesanyxta.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos xeirokrothqhke mia mono fora kai ayth sto telos ths omilias toy kata th xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayth h syzhthsh sth Boylh ginetai gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh. Den ginetai gia thn proklhsh h th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, oyte bebaiws gia thn ekdhlwsh, mesw xeirokrothmatwn, mias sxetikhs epidokimasias. Emeis exoyme epilejei enan poly ypeyqyno dromo, na eimaste xrhsimoi kai oysiastikoi, oxi eyxaristoi -xwris ayto na shmainei oti den epiqymoyme na eimaste kai eyxaristoi. Ayto poy telikws epidiwkoyme einai h chfos twn boyleytwn h h chfos toy ellhnikoy laoy kai oxi bebaiws ta xeirokrothmata, ta opoia mporei na dhmioyrgoyn mia feygalea, mia efhmerh entypwsh, alla den einai ayto to opoio apotelei gia mas ton kyriws stoxo. H omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy apedeije pws h Kybernhsh mas einai paroysa me thn alhqeia toy ergoy ths. H Antipoliteysh einai paroysa me to cema twn logwn ths. O k. Karamanlhs den prwtotyphse. Epanelabe ton eayto toy. Qa elega oti ayth th fora to ekane me enan tropo o opoios apodeiknyei pws peran ths elleichs programmatwn, h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh stereitai kai hqoys, an krinete -giati hsastan kai eseis parontes se ayth th syzhthsh- ton tropo me ton opoio antimetwpisthke o Prwqypoyrgos kata th diarkeia ths omilias toy. Emeis, loipon, epidiwkoyme na milhsoyme gia ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Den epidiwkoyme th sygkalych toys me th dhmioyrgia eyxaristwn entypwsewn. Ayto einai, pisteyw, to stoixeio to opoio mporei na pei kaneis oti diaforopoiei thn politikh mas, poy stoxeyei sthn oysiastikh antimetwpish twn problhmatwn toy laoy kai ths xwras, apo thn texnikh ths politikhs poy exei epilejei h Nea Dhmokratia, prokeimenoy na dhlwnei thn paroysia ths.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh th qesh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas oti einai allo pragma h paroxh chfoy empistosynhs kai allo pragma h politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: H politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh exei tyxei ths egkrishs, afoy apotelei koinh apofash, kai toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy kai olwn twn armodiwn stelexwn poy symmetexoyn sta organa ths Kybernhshs kai toy Kommatos, opoy lambanontai oi apofaseis. Asfalws, h paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh einai ena gegonos poy ekfrazei thn ananewsh ths empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh ayth th stigmh. H prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs, gia na petyxoyme stoxoys poy exoyme proseggisei, qa synexistei. Sthn prospaqeia ayth symmetexoyn oloi. Eimaste ikanopoihmenoi apo to ergo to opoio exei paraxqei. Den qa eimaste pote ikanopoihmenoi, oso yparxoyn problhmata sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai problhmata yparxoyn polla. Gi` ayta emeis miloyme prwtoi, giati opws kat` epanalhch exoyme pei, emeis prokaloymaste apo ta problhmata. Ayta qeloyme na epilysoyme. Ayta einai o pragmatikos antipalos mas. Den dinoyme maxh opisqofylakhs. Prospaqoyme na odhghsoyme thn Ellada sto mellon me oso ginetai perissotera efodia. Ayth einai h prospaqeia mas.

KARAGIANNH: Symfwnei h Kybernhsh m` ayto poy eipe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos oti h paroxh chfoy empistosynhs einai stigmiaia epibebaiwsh kai sas metaferw epi lejei ayto poy eipe.

REPPAS: An qelete na xrhsimopoihsete tis fraseis toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy qa prepei na xrhsimopoihsete oles tis lejeis oi opoies anaferontai sto sxetiko qema. Eipe oti einai mia aristh kinhsh taktikhs, h opoia apodidei kai einai apotelesmatikh. Ekane diaforoys xarakthrismoys. Einai oi apoceis toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas. Pisteyw oti oi apoceis aytes aphxoyn th dikh toy diaqesh, th dikh toy skech, alla poly perissotero th skech olwn mas. Giati, pragmati, h epibebaiwsh ths empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh ginetai ayth th stigmh poy einai para poly krisimh gia thn poreia ths xwras, doqentos oti polla problhmata prepei na lysoyme kai qa prepei na feroyme se peras to ergo poy mas empisteyqhke o ellhnikos laos. Bebaiws, h stigmh kata thn opoia ginetai ayth h chfoforia einai mia stigmh shmadiakh, shmantikh. Kai ayto giati ginetai meta apo mia prosfath eklogikh anametrhsh, ginetai enocei ths syzhthshs toy Proypologismoy sth Boylh. Epishs, gnwrizete poly kala oti oi apofaseis poy qa laboyme twra gia thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsoyme ton epomeno xrono, qa einai oi apofaseis twn opoiwn h efarmogh h oxi qa kaqorisoyn, se megalo baqmo, thn poreia ths xwras gia polla xronia sto mellon. Kai ayto giati o Proypologismos aytos einai pleon o Proypologismos entajhs sthn ONE, den einai Proypologismos aplws sygklishs me thn ONE. To 1999 einai h teleytaia xronia sth seira twn etwn poy exoyme akoloyqhsei mia sygkekrimenh politikh. Kai s` ayth thn teleytaia xronia, eimaste sto telos ayths ths prospaqeias kai qa prepei apo ta apotelesmata poy qa petyxoyme mesa sto '99, na kriqoyme. Gi` ayto ta apotelesmata prepei na einai idiaiterws qetika.

KARAGIANNH: Htan programmatismenh gia shmera synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai anablhqhke;

REPPAS: H episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias den qa ginei shmera, opws problepotan. Kriqhke skopimo na mh ginei, thn wra poy einai se ejelijh h syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs sthn Kybernhsh, gia na apofygoyme opoioysdhpote syneirmoys poy qa odhgoysan sthn ejagwgh esfalmenwn politikwn symperasmatwn. H synanthsh qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres.

KARAGIANNH: Qa ginei thn Tetarth to meshmeri;

REPPAS: Den exei prosdioristei akribws h mera kai h wra, alla qa ginei se poly kontino xroniko diasthma.

ALEJAKH: O Prwqypoyrgos kai xqes sthn omilia toy eipe oti o stoxos einai kai h ONE. Qelw na sas rwthsw pali, gia to prwtoselido ths efhmeridas "AQHNAtKH", to opoio leei to ejhs: Oti yparxoyn dyo ekqeseis toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy. H prwth, ayth poy mas eipate to Maio kai h deyterh ton Aygoysto. H deyterh ekqesh einai ayth poy systhnei sthn Kybernhsh na labei metra kai poy ekfrazei tis epifylajeis gia to an mporei h Kybernhsh na fqasei to stoxo ths ONE. Eseis mas eixate pei oti elabe metra amesws molis phre thn prwth ekqesh. Qa hqela kat` arxhn na moy peite ti symbainei me aytes tis ekqeseis kai an dhmioyrgoyn kapoio problhmatismo sthn Kybernhsh kai pws ginetai na mas milate gia thn prwth ekqesh, enw oi epishmanseis apo to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio einai sth deyterh ekqesh.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete, kat` arxhn, na kanw ena sxolio: Prwton, na pw oti den htan antikeimenikos o tropos me ton opoio h sygkekrimenh efhmerida paroysiase tis qeseis poy aneptyja, apantwntas sth sxetikh erwthsh, otan syzhthsame gia prwth fora to qema, prin liges hmeres. Giati oydemia ekqesh krycame, opws isxyristhke o syntakths ths efhmeridas, afoy opws eipa tote, h ekqesh ayth dhmosieyqhke se oles tis ellhnikes efhmerides, stis 22 Maioy. Pws kathgoroymeqa, loipon, oti apokrycame mia tetoia ekqesh, otan exei dhmosieyqei stis ellhnikes efhmerides, mhnes prin.

Deyteron, h ekqesh einai mia. Den yparxoyn dyo ekqeseis. Ayto to keimeno sto opoio anafereste, den einai tipote allo, para to ntokoymento twn symperasmatwn, meta apo th syzhthsh poy ekanan oi Genikoi Dieyqyntes toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy. An kapoios qelei na prosfygei se ekqesh toy D. N. T., qa prosfygei sthn ekqesh poy einai mia kai einai ayth h opoia dhmosieyqhke, epishmws, stis 20 Ioylioy. Einai h ekqesh gia thn opoia milhsame kai thn prwth fora. Den yparxei deyterh ekqesh. To keimeno sto opoio anafereste einai to keimeno symperasmatwn ths syzhthshs twn Genikwn Dieyqyntwn toy D. N. T. Den einai h ekqesh toy D. N. T. Einai h syzhthsh poy einai kaqierwmeno na ginetai epi ths ekqesews toy D. N. T. apo toys ychlobaqmoys paragontes aytoy toy Organismoy. Den prokeitai gia allh ekqesh. Ta metra, de, ta opoia elhfqhsan apo tote, gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyn odhghsei se peraiterw apoklimakwsh toy plhqwrismoy kai kalliergoyn dikaiologhmena kai se mas th bebaiothta oti qa epityxoyme telika kai ayto to stoxo. Poly perissotero, otan apo tote exoyme oxi mono idiwtikoys foreis alla kai egkyroys megaloys Organismoys, opws einai h Morgan Stanley -thn opoia opws eida se shmerino dhmosieyma h efhmeridas sas peripoy eirwneyetai- poy lene oti qa epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Peran aytoy, exoyme th martyria ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, h opoia leei oti h Ellada kanei qetika bhmata kai proseggizei kai fainetai oti qa petyxei to stoxo entajhs sthn ONE. Anamenetai sto telos toy etoys na doqei sth dhmosiothta h sxetikh ekqesh toy OOSA.

Prepei na sas pw oti ta keimena ergasias apodeiknyoyn kai pali oti anagnwrizetai h prospaqeia poy kanei h Ellada kai epibebaiwnetai kai apo ayto to megalo Organismo, apo ton Proedro toy kai toys ychlobaqmoys paragontes toy Organismoy aytoy, oti h Ellada fainetai pws qa epityxei toys stoxoys poy exoyn teqei kai qa entaxqei sthn ONE. Oles, loipon, oi martyries poy einai sth diaqesh mas, einai qetikes. Miloyn oxi gia to endexomeno, alla gia thn oiwnoi bebaiothta entajhs ths Elladas sthn ONE. Kai den katalabainw giati yparxei ayth h epimonh sth syzhthsh enos keimenoy, to opoio -prepei na sas pw en katakleidi- periexei ta symperasmata twn syzhthsewn twn Dieyqyntwn toy D. N. T. kai einai poly kalytero gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia se sxesh me ayth thn idia thn ekqesh. Qa deite oti to keimeno ayto, mporei na pei kaneis, oti einai pio eyoiwno, oson afora tis probleceis gia thn poreia ths Elladas ta epomena xronia, se sxesh me to keimeno ths ekqeshs. To keimeno poy dhmosieyqhke to Maio kai to opoio dwsame emeis sth dhmosiothta, htan to legomeno "draft", to keimeno ergasias, enw h epishmh ekqesh dhmosieyqhke stis 20 Ioylioy. Otan miloyme gia ekqesh, anaferomaste sto keimeno ayto. Den yparxei allh ekqesh. Eseis anafereste se ena ntokoymento, to opoio bebaiws, exei thn ajia toy, alla den einai h ekqesh toy D. N. T.

ALEJAKH: Ayto to opoio leei h efhmerida moy, einai oti ta stoixeia aytoy toy ntokoymentoy, opws qelete peste to, de doqhkan sth dhmosiothta prwton kai deyteron, giati oi Dieyqyntes toy D. N. T. den exoyn kapoia apoch, h gnwmh toys den einai barynoysa. Ypotiqetai oti ejetazoyn tis oikonomies toswn kratwn. Den mporoyn na ekferoyn mia gnwmh gia thn katastash ths Ellados;

REPPAS: Asfalws, einai barynoysa h gnwmh toys. Sas lew, omws, oti h gnwmh poy ekfrazoyn, telika, katadeiknyei oti h Ellada qa epityxei ayto to stoxo. Den odhgei sto symperasma sto opoio katalhgete eseis, oti h Ellada den qa entaxqei sthn ONE. Antiqetws, oi probleceis poy kanoyn einai probleceis oi opoies deixnoyn oti qa epityxoyme to stoxo ayto.

ALEJAKH: Edw yparxei ena keimeno to opoio einai sta agglika, bebaiws, ki eseis to gnwrizete, opws to gnwrizoyn kai arketoi synergates sas kai sto opoio yparxoyn sobares epifylajeis gia to an qa petyxei h Kybernhsh. Malista, antiqetws leei oti, endexomenws kai na mhn petyxei.

REPPAS: Oydepote isxyristhkame oti hdh exoyme entaxqei sthn ONE. Qa prepei na kataballoyme prospaqeia kai gi` ayto synexizoyme mia politikh, h opoia einai h endedeigmenh, gia na epityxoyme ayton ton eqnikhs shmasias stoxo. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, einai koinh h anagnwrish apo dieqneis Organismoys, oti h prospaqeia poy kanei h Ellada fainetai oti qa stefqei apo epityxia, oson afora thn epiteyjh aytoy toy megaloy stoxoy. Den antilambanomai poio einai to qema to opoio qetete pros syzhthsh. Asfalws, exoyn ekfrastei aytes oi gnwmes. Asfalws, yparxoyn problhmatismoi. Den yparxei, omws, en katakleidi, ena symperasma to opoio na mila peri ths adynamias ths Elladas na entaxqei sthn ONE. Antiqetws, oloi miloyn gia ta poly qetika bhmata poy exoyn ginei kai ayto den blepw na to anadeiknyete analogws ths shmasias poy exei. Oloi qewroyn pws h Ellada einai poly konta sto na epityxei ayto to stoxo. Exoyn de, se megalo baqmo, th bebaiothta oti qa epityxoyme ayto to stoxo. Ayta gia thn apokatastash twn pragmatwn.

LAKOPOYLOS: Orismenoi boyleytes toy PASOK me dhlwseis toys afhnoyn na ennohqei oti qa yperchfisoyn thn Kybernhsh kai qa dwsoyn chfo empistosynhs gia logoys poly diaforetikoys apo aytoys gia toys opoioys o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse thn chfo empistosynhs. Enoxlei thn Kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo oti qa labei chfo empistosynhs m` ayto to skeptiko apo orismenoys boyleytes;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei dhlwsei kapoios, oti parexontas chfo empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh qelei di` aytoy toy tropoy na epishmanei oti den sthrizei thn Kybernhsh. Egw gnwrizw oti otan parexeis chfo empistosynhs shmainei oti sthrizeis ayton ston opoion parexeis thn chfo soy. Ayto einai to nohma ths diadikasias h opoia einai se ejelijh sth Boylh. Kai ayto einai to politiko symperasma to opoio prepei na ejaxqei.

LAKOPOYLOS: Den einai ayto to nohma. O Prwqypoyrgos stoys tritoys logoys poy aneptyje, xqes, den edwse ayto to nohma. Edwse sygkekrimeno periexomeno sthn aithsh chfoy empistosynhs. Otan o k. Xaralampopoylos, gia paradeigma, leei oti egw qa chfisw thn Kybernhsh toy PASOK, giati ejelegh me to PASOK, einai diaforetiko periexomeno. Egw eipa, oti an ayth h diaforopoihsh apo thn pleyra orismenwn, poy qa chfisoyn apo oti fainetai, en telei, thn Kybernhsh, enoxlei ton Prwqypoyrgo; Ton ikanopoiei... ;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos niwqei apolyta ikanopoihmenos kai qa niwqei dikaiwmenos, otan to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK, epibebaiwsei sto proswpo toy, thn empistosynh poy trefei h pleiochfia ths Boylhs pros thn Kybernhsh. Giati h Kybernhsh den einai dynato na askhsei ta kaqhkonta ths, an den niwqei pws exei ayth thn isxyrh politikh sthrijh. Kai nomizw oti h chfos empistosynhs ayto to nohma exei. Giati gnwrizete poly kala oti kaqenas mporei na ermhneysei thn chfo toy kai einai diko toy qema na to kanei, para to oti ayto den problepetai sto plaisio leitoyrgias toy Koinoboylioy apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs. Gi` ayto qa eprepe, ayth thn wra, na arkestoyme s` ayto poy o kaqe poliths antilambanetai. Oti parexontas chfo empistosynhs se mia Kybernhsh, anagnwrizeis oti einai mia Kybernhsh h opoia exei qetiko ergo na epideijei mexri twra. Epishs oti einai mia Kybernhsh, h opoia me to programma ths, etsi opws to ejaggellei kai prosdoka o ellhnikos laos thn efarmogh toy, odhgei thn Ellada me ajiwseis ston 21o aiwna.

LAKOPOYLOS: Den einai to erwthma moy ayto. Afora th synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas sto "BHMA". O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, me poly kaqaro tropo, apodexetai oti ayth th stigmh h Nea Dhmokratia, eklogika, prohgeitai toy PASOK kai an eidate th synenteyjh, apodidei ayth th diapistwsh kai se laqh ths politikhs hgesias toy PASOK. To erwthma moy einai, an h Kybernhsh apodexetai ayth thn ektimhsh.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti eyqeia kai amesh katagrafh toy sysxetismoy twn kommatikwn politikwn dynamewn den yparxei, toylaxiston prosfath, wste na mporei kapoios na bgalei abiasta ayto to symperasma. Mporei kapoios, xrhsimopoiwntas diafora stoixeia, na bgalei ena politiko symperasma. Emeis, pisteyoyme, oti h Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai h politikh poy efarmozei, tygxanoyn ths empistosynhs ths pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy. Gi` ayto akribws leme oti synexizoyme atalanteyta kai adiataraxta thn politikh ayth, giati pisteyoyme oti exei aphxhsh ayth h politikh. Anagnwrizontas tis paraleiceis h tis kaqysterhseis se polloys tomeis, emeis exoyme analabei thn ypoxrewsh kai th desmeysh apenanti ston ellhniko lao, na antapokriqoyme sthn entolh poy mas edwse kai na mporesoyme, me thn entonoterh prospaqeia mas, na lysoyme kai ta problhmata poy yparxoyn, akomh kai shmera. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai sthn hgesia toy PASOK. H hgesia toy PASOK, bebaiws, exei Proedro. H Kybernhsh, bebaiws, exei Proedro. Alla kai sto PASOK kai sthn Kybernhsh ta syllogika organa leitoyrgoyn me tropo systhmatiko. Lambanontai apofaseis poy aforoyn to mellon ths xwras apo ta organa ths Kybernhshs kai apofaseis toy Kinhmatos apo ta organa toy Kinhmatos. Kai oloi me th symmetoxh toys s` ayta ta organa, pisteyw oti exoyn balei, kaqenas me to diko toy tropo, th sfragida s` aytes tis apofaseis, ara kai sthn efarmogh mias sygkekrimenhs politikhs.

LAKOPOYLOS: To trito erwthma moy afora th diafainomenh thn yparkth mallon, apopeira ths KOMISION na parakamcei to ellhniko "beto" me to gnwsto texnasma twn dyo kanonismwn. Epeidh to qema teqhke sth xqesinh syzhthsh, einai epikairo dhladh, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h ellhnikh Kybernhsh -kai me poio tropo- exei erqei se epafh h exei synergastei me ton Ellhna Epitropo sthn KOMISION kai an yparxei kapoios syntonismos.

REPPAS: Asfalws yparxei ayth h synergasia. O Ellhnas Epitropos aneptyje thn epixeirhmatologia yper ths ellhnikhs qeshs, opws thn exei ekfrasei kai h Kybernhsh. Ayto einai apotelesma -einai eykolo na to antilhfqei kaneis- ths synergasias twn dyo pleyrwn.

LAKOPOYLOS: Poies einai aytes oi pleyres; O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse; Poios epikoinwnhse;

REPPAS: To Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Nomizw, loipon, oti ayth h koinh prospaqeia qa exei qetika apotelesmata. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h apopeira den exei proxwrhsei. Mporei na pei kaneis oti exei "pagwsei". Bebaiws, den pisteyoyme oti h KOMISION qa allajei thn eishghsh ths. Nomizoyme omws, apo thn allh, pws ta opla poy exoyme kai emeis sth diaqesh mas -kai exoyme dhlwsei oti qa ta xrhsimopoihsoyme- einai enas paragontas h enas martyras o opoios qa ypoxrewsei thn KOMISION kai toys paragontes ths na skeftoyn pali toys xeirismoys kai tis epiloges poy exoyn kanei mexri twra.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate epikoinwnhse me ton k. Papoytsh to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Poios sygkekrimena apo thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn epikoinwnhse me ton Ellhna Epitropo;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti yparxei synergasia kai epikoinwnia me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den gnwrizw an einai o k. Pagkalos, an einai o k. Papandreoy, o k. Kranidiwths h kapoios allos. Alla ayto den exei shmasia. Shmasia exei oti yparxei synergasia, prokeimenoy oi ellhnikes qeseis na anadeiknyontai kai na prowqoyntai ta ellhnika symferonta.

KIAOS: Ena deytero erwthma: Milhsate prohgoymenws gia hqos, anaferomenos sth Boylh. Pws eidate eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos ws Arxhgos kiolas toy PASOK, to fainomeno poy epanelhfqh kai xqes, molis teleiwsan oi dyo Arxhgoi twn dyo megalwn kommatwn -Prwqypoyrgos kai Arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteysews, ennow- efygan oi boyleytes twn dyo megalwn kommatwn h polloi apo aytoys kai efygan kai Ypoyrgoi. Epeidh milhsate gia hqos, pws to blepete ayto to fainomeno; Kai an kanete kapoio systash toylaxiston, en pash periptwsei.

REPPAS: Den eimai armodios na kanw systaseis stoys synadelfoys. Ayto to opoio mporw na pw einai oti stis synedriaseis ths Boylhs qa prepei na symmetexoyn oloi oi boyleytes.

KIAOS: Oxi, h erwthsh moy afora sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo poy epanalambanetai. Teleiwnoyn tis omilies toys o k. Shmiths h o k. Karamanlhs kai adeiazoyn ta edrana.

REPPAS: Den eimai egw to armodio organo na krinw th symperifora twn boyleytwn. O ellhnikos laos parakoloyqei pws synedriazei h Boylh kai bgazei ta symperasmata toy.

KIAOS: H proswpikh sas gnwmh poia einai;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti to qema ths mikrhs symmetoxhs twn boyleytwn stis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies exei kat' epanalhch epikriqei kai apotelei phgh dhmioyrgias arnhtikwn entypwsewn ston ellhniko lao.

KIAOS: Zhthsa thn proswpikh sas gnwmh sto sygkekrimeno.

REPPAS: Ekana ena sxolio sthn arxh kai eipa oti prepei na paramenoyn stis synedriaseis toy Koinoboylioy oloi oi boyleytes kai na symmetexoyn energa stis syzhthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti h syzhthsh ayth einai shmadiakh, meta apo mia eklogikh anametrhsh. Dhladh kaqe fora poy qa exoyme ekloges, gia paradeigma meta tis eyrwekloges, qa janazhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos chfo empistosynhs;

REPPAS: Blepw oti sas anhsyxei ena tetoio endexomeno...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, den me anhsyxei, eseis to eipate

REPPAS:... epeidh antilambaneste oti h empistosynh pros thn Kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo einai, peripoy, dedomenh. Ayto prokyptei apo thn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto eleipe, na mhn einai.

REPPAS: Qa elega oti prepei na epitrepoyme ston Prwqypoyrgo na kanei toys xeirismoys poy qewrei oti einai oi pleon katallhloi, giati gnwrizete kala oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa prepei ws epikefalhs ths Kybernhshs na paragei ergo me thn paroysia toy. Den exei thn polyteleia h thn anesh na mila, kai malista na mila toso poly, xwris na leei tipota sygkekrimeno, polyteleia kai anesh poy mporei na exoyn oi arxhgoi twn Kommatwn ths Antipoliteyshs. M` ayth thn ennoia, oi xeirismoi poy kanei h qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn toy, mporei bebaiws na apotelesoyn antikeimeno kritikhs apo esas kai apo oloys toys polites, qa epitrecoyme omws na apofasizontai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas rwthsa, oti meta tis eyrwekloges qa janazhthsei chfo empistosynhs;

REPPAS: Otan lew oti qa epitrecoyme na apofasizontai oi epiloges aytes apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, katalabainete ti ennow. Mhn perimenete ayth thn wra na ekdwsw egw kapoia apofash gia to ti prepei na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akoma: Eseis kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, prin apo tis ekloges legate oti den qa epiblhqoyn neoi foroi, den prokeitai na epiblhqoyn neoi foroi. Proxtes, tis teleytaies hmeres meta tis ekloges, diabazoyme oti qa forologhqoyn oi gonikes paroxes kai oi epikoyrikes syntajeis. Pws proekyce ayto;

REPPAS: Eixa anakoinwsei, sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy eixame kanei edw, otan eixe apasxolhsei thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph to qema toy Proypologismoy -to dhlwsan kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi- oti den prokeitai na katateqei neo forologiko nomosxedio to epomeno etos. Ayto shmainei pws den prokeitai na qespistoyn opoiasdhpote morfhs neoi foroi. Ayto akribws to oti den qa katateqei neo forologiko nomosxedio, apotelei kai ton adiaceysto martyra gia to oti den yparxoyn neoi foroi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, diaceydete oti qa forologhqoyn oi gonikes paroxes kai oi epikoyrikes syntajeis;

REPPAS: Sas eipa -kai eimai kathgorhmatikos- oti den prokeitai na katateqei neo forologiko nomosxedio. Kai gnwrizete oti neoi foroi epiballontai me thn kataqesh forologikwn nomosxediwn. Den yparxei allos tropos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes ektos apo thn elleich xeirokrothmatwn, yphrje kai ena sobaro elleimma ariqmoy boyleytwn toy PASOK sthn aiqoysa toy Koinoboylioy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn ermhneia h opoia yparxei shmera ston Typo, oti ayth h mh symmetoxh peripoy 30 boyleytwn synista politiko mhnyma pros thn hgesia toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti h syzhthsh ayth organwqhke gia thn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs sthn Kybernhsh. Thn Tetarth to meshmeri, otan qa exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia kai qa gnwrizoyme ta apotelesmata ths paroxhs h mh paroxhs chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh, qa mporoyme na syzhthsoyme, exontas pleon ws dedomena ayta poy eseis twra qewreite zhtoymena.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epishs, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Dhmosiws, pleon, ychlobaqma stelexh toy kommatos zhtoyn na yparjei diarxia se Kybernhsh kai Komma. Malista sygkekrimena lene: Prwqypoyrgos, Shmiths, Proedros toy PASOK, Tsoxatzopoylos. Qa hqela na mas peite an yparxei kapoio sxolio toy Prwqypoyrgoy ep' aytoy.

REPPAS: Den einai qema ayto ths politikhs enhmerwshs. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den mporw na milhsw gi` ayto to qema. Ayto poy mporw na pw -kai to gnwrizete hdh- einai oti to Synedrio toy Kinhmatos exei apofasisei kai exei antimetwpisei to sxetiko zhthma. Apo kei kai pera, sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy anaptyssetai gia ta qemata toy Kinhmatos, ths organwshs kai ths leitoyrgias toy, mporei oles aytes oi apoceis na diatypwnontai. Kaqenas exei to dikaiwma na leei thn apoch toy kai krinetai gia thn apoch toy.

KIAOS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish: Qa sas enoxloyse an h chfos kai twn boyleytwn toy PASOK -orismenwn- htan chfos anoxhs, ws ermhneia aytwn poy leme;

REPPAS: Oi boyleytes exoyn to dikaiwma na proboyn se dhlwseis gia polla qemata h gia thn chfo toys. Egw gnwrizw oti sto plaisio toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, h diadikasia basei ths opoias organwqhke kai ejelissetai ayth h syzhthsh, qa katalhjei sthn paroxh chfoy empistosynhs pros thn Kybernhsh. To apotelesma ayths ths chfoforias, parakalw, anamenete na to krinoyme otan oloklhrwqei ayth h chfoforia. Apo kei kai pera oi ermhneies mporei na einai poikiles. Den qesame emeis ek twn proterwn kapoio plaisio gia tis ermhneies. Oi ermhneies einai eleyqeres, einai poikiles. Shmasia omws exei na eimaste arketa logikoi kai synepeis me ayta poy kanoyme, wste ayta poy leme na briskontai se antistoixia me ayta poy kanoyme. Ayto exei shmasia.

Sas eyxaristw.


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