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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-12-01

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Dekembrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalo mhna.

Prin jekinhsoyme th syzhthsh mas qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai qa enhmerwqei apo thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy gia qemata Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Meta th synergasia toy k. Shmith me ton k. Papadopoylo, kai sygkekrimena stis 12 to meshmeri, qa ginoyn dhlwseis.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes, o k. Pagkalos eipe sto Parisi oti oi S-300 fortwnontai stis 15 toy mhnos. H kybernhsh exei tetoia plhroforia kai poy qa pane;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto oi kybernhseis ths Elladas kai ths Kyproy epishma kai egkyra exoyn ekfrasei tis apoceis toys. Qa meinoyme s` ayta poy exoyn dhlwqei kai anakoinwqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto oti exoyn eidopoihqei h ellhnikh kai h kypriakh kybernhsh oti stis 15 toy mhnos fortwnontai;

REPPAS: Poy to eipe ayto o k. Pagkalos; To eipe se kapoia synenteyjh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To eipe sto Parisi sth synanthsh poy eixe me to Gallo omologo toy.

REPPAS: Poios sas enhmerwse oti eqese tetoio qema o k. Pagkalos ston k. Bentrin;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To diaceydete, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Prepei na sebasteite orismena pragmata. Gnwrizete oti o k. Pagkalos exei dwsei synenteyjh kai exei apanthsei s` erwthseis. Qa meinoyme s` ayta poy eipe kai parakalw otan ginontai syzhthseis, gia logoys poy aforoyn th dikh sas enhmerwsh kai thn enhmerwsh kat` epektash toy ellhnikoy laoy, na tis xrhsimopoieite me tetoio tropo, o opoios dieykolynei kai to diko sas ergo, alla kai thn politikh poy qelei na prowqhsei mia kybernhsh. Giati, gia ta qemata ayta exoyn ginei epishmes dhlwseis. Aytes qa sxoliasete, aytes qa krinete kai ep` aytwn qa syzhthsoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den eixe prokycei ayto to qema. To diaceydete;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti h paraggelia gia toys pyrayloys S-300 sthn Kypro egine gia na enisxyqei h amyna ths, logw twn kindynwn poy diatrexei to nhsi. H apofash ayth, gia na dwsw, etsi, mia telikh apanthsh, den exei allajei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, den milaw gia thn apofash. Isxyei ayto h oxi;

REPPAS: Otidhpote afora diafores ptyxes toy qematos, qa mas epitrecete na to xeiristoyme me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Den qa syzhthsoyme to qema me tetoio tropo, wste na dhmioyrgoyme perissotera problhmata apo ayta poy epidiwkoyme na lysoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na th qesw alliws thn erwthsh, k. Ypoyrge. Exei h kybernhsh kapoies plhrofories h exei enhmerwqei pote oi S-300 qa fygoyn apo th Rwsia;

REPPAS: Oi kybernhseis Elladas kai Kyproy xeirizontai ena poly shmantiko kai eyaisqhto eqniko qema me apolyth eyqynh. Sto plaisio aytwn twn xeirismwn kanoyme oti prepei, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei o skopos. O skopos einai, h Kypros na einai asfalhs kai na epityxei toys stoxoys poy exei qesei gia to epomeno diasthma.

KIAOS: O k. Pagkalos den apekleise, ws idea, thn egkatastash toys sthn Krhth. Ep` aytoy ti ginetai;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy exei grafei, poy sxoliazetai, poy exei apasxolhsei, sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn kai twn diaboyleysewn, kai toys dhmosiografoys kai thn koinh gnwmh kai toys politikoys. Epi toy qematos aytoy den yparxei tipota neotero, den exei lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash s` ayth thn kateyqynsh.

FILHS: Mporei na fortwqoyn oi pyrayloi mesa sto Dekembrio;

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme ayth thn ypoqesh. Ti mporei na ginei h ti den mporei na ginei; Den einai logiko na to syzhtoyme twra. Ayto to opoio prepei, epanalambanw, na labete ypoch sas einai toyto: Prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys skopoys, poy aforoyn thn amyna ths Kyproy -na katastei h Kypros asfalhs kai aprosblhth- qa kanoyme oti prepei na kanoyme. Sto plaisio ayto syzhtoyme kai to qema ths promhqeias kai egkatastashs twn S-300. Den einai aytoskopos. Einai ena meso gia na epityxoyme kapoio poly shmantiko skopo. S` ayton anaferqhka kai na eiste bebaioi oti oi xeirismoi poy kanoyme epidiwkoyn thn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy. Kai qa petyxoyme ayto to stoxo.

FILHS: O Grammateas toy AKEL k. Xristofias zhthse h apofash gia toys S-300 na einai apotelesma synapofashs Aqhnwn-Leykwsias. To idio zhta kai o k. Basileioy, o diapragmateyths gia thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E.. Den yparxei ayto to endexomeno gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: To endiaferon ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn amyna ths Kyproy fainetai apo to gegonos oti ayth h kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei sthn efarmogh toy dogmatos toy Eniaioy Amyntikoy Xwroy. Apo thn allh pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na einai, kaqe fora, diakrith h aytonomia ths ontothtas ths Kyproy, prokeimenoy na mh dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis. H Kypros einai ena anejarthto kratos, einai kratos-melos toy OHE. Kai katw ap` ayto to prisma prepei na proseggizoyme, apo koinoy bebaia, ta qemata poy mas apasxoloyn gia thn prooptikh ths Kyproy.

FILHS: To endexomeno na egkatastaqoyn oi pyrayloi sthn Krhth einai ena endexomeno poy afora thn Ellada. Afoy prokeitai na ejetastei kai ayth h ptyxh toy problhmatos, den prepei na synapofasisoyn Ellada kai Kypros;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den exei apofasistei. Einai kati poy den exei teqei me tetoio tropo, wste na eimaste sta proqyra, stis paramones mias apofashs. Parakalw, loipon, na meinete s` ayta poy exoyme apofasisei. Kai ayta poy exoyme apofasisei isxyoyn apolyta.

KIAOS: o K. Kwnstantopoylos exei kataqesei mia erwthsh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo gia thn "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy", alla epeidh den qa syzhthqei, mhpws mporeite na apanthsete eseis sthn erwthsh poy diapistwnei "diastash apocewn metajy Aqhnwn-Leykwsias" kai omilei peri adiejodoy; Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola h erwthsh ayth katateqhke sth Boylh gia na apanthqei sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy". Gnwrizete oti h "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy" den qa ginei ayth thn ebdomada. Einai apo kairo programmatismenh h episkech toy k. Klima sthn Ellada gi` ayth thn hmera kai wra kai den einai dynaton o Prwqypoyrgos na brisketai, taytoxrona, se dyo synergasies. Den mporei, dhladh, na brisketai se synergasia me ton k. Klima kai thn idia wra na apanta s` erwthsh sth Boylh. O k. Kwnstantopoylos mporei na epanelqei sto qema ayto, prokeimenoy na labei apanthsh dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy. Den mporei na ypoqesei kaneis oti yparxei kapoios allos logos, o opoios na odhgei ton Prwqypoyrgo sto na apofygei na dwsei mia apanthsh.

KIAOS: Egw den eipa ayto. Rwtw an qa apanthsete eseis shmera;

REPPAS: Mhn mplekete to qema ths erwthshs toy k. Kwnstantopoyloy. Mporeite na qesete eyqews mia erwthsh kai na sas apanthsw.

KIAOS: Rwthsa, epeidh den qa doqei apanthsh sth Boylh, an qa apanthsete eseis stis "diapistwseis" poy kanei, sta erwthmata toy gia "adiejodo" kai "diastash apocewn metajy Aqhnwn-Leykwsias"; Ti apantate;

REPPAS: Oti den yparxei diastash apocewn Aqhnwn-Leykwsias.

KIAOS: Exoyn kanei dhlwseis dyo koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai o k. Benizelos, exoyn milhsei gia "nonoys" toy podosfairoy, peran ths efarmoghs twn diatajewn poy yparxoyn kai exoyn epiblhqei poines ston PAOK k. lp.. Sxetika me toys "nonoys" toy podosfairoy ti gnwrizoyn oi ypoyrgoi kai ti gnwrizei kat` epektash h idia h kybernhsh; Dioti, dyo koryfaia stelexh, Tsoxatzopoylos, Benizelos, den mporei na mh gnwrizoyn ta idia pragmata poy gnwrizete ki eseis. Oti yparxoyn h oxi "nonoi" toy podosfairoy. Einai para poly sobaro qema. Kai deyteron, an qa parembei o Prwqypoyrgos kai qa stamathsoyn aytes oi "kontres" h oxi h qa ejelixqei diaforetika h katastash. Ti ginetai;

REPPAS: To qema ayto gia to opoio eginan dhlwseis apasxolei ta organa ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs kai idiaitera ths Aqlhtikhs Dikaiosynhs. H ekfrash apocewn gia kaqe qema ginetai me gnwmona thn yposthrijh twn qesmwn kai thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia toys, prokeimenoy na aponemetai to dikaio. Exei ginei anafora sta problhmata poy apantwntai sto xwro toy Aqlhtismoy sthn patrida mas. Antimetwpizontai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. Briskomaste enocei ths kataqeshs enos qesmikoy nomosxedioy gia ton Aqlhtismo, sto plaisio toy opoioy antimetwpizetai -ayth, toylaxiston, einai h filodojia kai h epidiwjh ths kybernhshs, ths politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy kai Aqlhtismoy en prokeimenw- to synolo twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn thn aqlhtikh oikogeneia kai idiaitera twn problhmatwn poy apoteloyn noshra fainomena sto xwro toy Aqlhtismoy. Afenos, loipon, ews otoy ekdoqei h apofash apo ta armodia organa ths Aqlhtikhs Dikaiosynhs, den epitrepetai na probw se kapoio sxolio. Afeteroy epanalambanw oti h yparjh noshrwn fainomenwn sto xwro toy Aqlhtismoy einai koinh pepoiqhsh, giati apotelei pragmatikothta. Ta qemata ayta qa antimetwpistoyn, sto plaisio toy nomosxedioy poy prokeitai syntoma na "parei to dromo" gia th Boylh.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish an mporeite. Kai h dikh sas diapistwsh peri noshrwn fainomenwn sto xwro toy podosfairoy, pws metafrazetai se onomata;

REPPAS: To gegonos oti gia tetoia qemata asxoloyntai ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs shmainei oti exoyn prokycei problhmata. An den yphrxan problhmata den qa epilambanotan h Dikaiosynh. To gegonos oti yparxoyn organa ths Aqlhtikhs Dikaiosynhs poy exoyn drash, exoyn antikeimeno, exoyn yliko gia na asxolhqoyn, shmainei oti yparxoyn problhmata.

DHMAKAS: Yparxei kati neotero apo tis epafes toy k. Kranidiwth sthn Oyasigkton;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota neotero. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Kybernhsh twn HPA exei epideijei endiaferon na parembei gia na symbalei sthn anazhthsh lyshs gia to Kypriako qema. Oson afora tis perifhmes prwtoboylies gia tis opoies exoyme milhsei sto parelqon, gnwrizete oti den exoyn apodwsei ta anamenomena apotelesmata. Elpizoyme na meinei zwhro to endiaferon ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas gia thn antimetwpish toy Kypriakoy qematos. To endiaferon ayto, pisteyoyme, na estiastei kyriws afenos sta qemata poy aforoyn thn aproskopth entajh ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai afeteroy sth diasfalish synqhkwn staqerothtas kai eirhnhs sthn perioxh, prokeimenoy mesw diadikasiwn apostratikopoihshs na diasfalisoyme thn hremia sthn perioxh kai thn asfaleia toy nhsioy. Aytoi einai oi stoxoi.

PARIS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, symfwna me thn teleytaia anabolh poy eixan parei oi S-300, htan na jekinhsoyn apo th Rwsia, to Dekembrh h to Genarh. Eipate oti oi apofaseis, oson afora toys pyrayloys, den exoyn allajei. Isxyei kai ayto to dead line;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto exei apofasisei to Eqniko Symboylio ths Kyproy. Ej oswn gnwrizw den exei metabalei apofash, giati den exei kan synedriasei, ara, isxyei h apofash poy exei labei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Se allo qema. Qa hqela na moy peite ti den phge kala sthn ypoqesh twn KAE kai ti qa kanei apo dw kai pera h kybernhsh.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh yphrje apolytws synephs stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies eixe analabei. H allh pleyra den antapokriqhke stis desmeyseis ths, gi ayto akribws lyqhke h arxikh symbash. Khryssetai agonos o diagwnismos aytos. H eggyhsh twn 2 dis draxmwn poy eixe katateqei, katapiptei yper toy Dhmosioy. To pososto toy 67% twn metoxwn poy eprokeito na metabibastoyn paramenoyn sto Dhmosio. Qa apofasisei h kybernhsh, wste na proxwrhsei gia to sygkekrimeno ayto qema, se mia nea prosklhsh endiaferontos se eyqeto xrono.

PARIS: Oi plhrofories kai to reportaz lene oti den egine swsth doyleia sthn ajiologhsh aytwn twn prosforwn, oti h prosfora ths SARESCO eixe problhmata apo thn arxh, oxi mono apo thn eggyhtikh skopia, alla eixe kai alla problhmata. Hqela na rwthsw ean ayto isxyei kai an qa anazhthqoyn eyqynes.

REPPAS: Oi diadikasies poy akoloyqhqhkan htan nomotypes. Htan diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai pagiws s' aytes tis periptwseis. An gia logoys poy exoyn sxesh me oikonomika symferonta, antagwnistes h alloi tritoi, qewroyn pws yphrjan paratypies h paranomes prajeis, parakalw na teqoyn armodiws. H ellhnikh kybernhsh epraje to kaqhkon ths, den exei na fobhqei tipota ws pros ton tomea ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to idio egine kai sthn Ionikh Trapeza. To idio ginetai twra kai sta KAE. Yparxei kapoios ypeyqynos; Kapoios den blepei kala, kati ginetai pisw apo aytes tis istories;

REPPAS: Oi diarqrwtikes allages apoteloyn ena poly shmantiko kefalaio ths politikhs mas. Qa elega oti apoteloyn mia prwtofanh pragmatikothta gia ta ellhnika politika xronika. Antilambaneste pws logiko einai, pera apo tis eytyxeis katalhjeis toy programmatos twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn ston tomea twn metoxopoihsewn, fer' eipein, na exoyme se alles periptwseis kai problhmata. Gnwrizete oti prosfata o OTE eishxqh se ena megalo Xrhmatisthrio kai phgainei poly kala h diapragmateysh peri th metoxh toy. Apo kei kai pera yparxoyn kai problhmata kai anaferqhkate se dyo periptwseis. Ta antimetwpizoyme kai ayta ta problhmata. Einai h prwth fora poy ellhnikh kybernhsh proxwra se tetoies diarqrwtikes allages. Pisteyw oti kai stis dyo aytes periptwseis, poy apoteloyn thn ejairesh toy kanona -kai oxi ton kanona- telika oi epiloges ths kybernhshs qa dikaiwqoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti proxwrate se diarqrwtikes allages. Den proxwroyn omws oi diarqrwtikes allages.

REPPAS: Pws den proxwroyn; Mporw na sas anaferw seira paradeigmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: S' aytes tis dyo periptwseis.

REPPAS: Exoyn proxwrhsei kai oi epiloges kai oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs exoyn oloklhrwqei kai efarmozontai kiolas. Seira periptwsewn mporw na anaferw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei problhma me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias, meta kai apo ayto to deytero fiasko;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena problhma. Gnwrizete oti o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias exei kateyqynei thn politikh twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, tomea ston opoio h kybernhsh exei na epideijei shmantika epiteygmata.

KIAOS: Den yparxei periptwsh na anaqewrhqei h na tropopoihqei to programma twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn poy lete;

REPPAS: Den tiqetai qema anaqewrhshs h allaghs h tropopoihshs toy programmatos twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Aplws, yparxei mia xronikh metatopish, oson afora thn epiteyjh sygkekrimenwn stoxwn. Gnwrizete oti h prospaqeia ayth ginetai se polla metwpa taytoxronws kai exei para polles morfes kai draseis. Afora eite metoxopoihseis, eite idiwtikopoihseis h akomh ejygiantika programmata mesw Epixeirhsiakwn Sxediwn gia epixeirhseis poy paramenoyn katw apo to dhmosio elegxo se pososto 100% toy metoxikoy kefalaioy toys.

Oson afora ton tomea twn idiwtikopoihsewn, apla -kai menw se mia apo tis treis periptwseis, opoy exoyme se ejelijh diarqrwtikes allages- mporoyme na poyme pws exoyme mia xronikh metatopish gia thn epiteyjh twn stoxwn. Alla, pisteyw oti para ayth th mikrh kaqysterhsh, qa epityxoyme toys stoxoys, giati pantote qeleis na epityxeis toys stoxoys, exontas diasfalisei ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy. Diasfalizoyme ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy. Ayth h prospaqeia h to ypermetro endiaferon h o zhlos mas na epityxoyme ayth th diasfalish toy dhmosioy symferontos, odhgei syxna se mia kaqysterhsh, epeidh den mporeis na gnwrizeis an h ekastote allh pleyra einai synephs stis ypoxrewseis poy kat' arxhn analambanei. Ayth, omws, h mikrh kaqysterhsh einai ena elaxisto timhma mprosta sto megisto kerdos poy epidiwkoyme. Kai pisteyw oti stis perissoteres periptwseis exoyme petyxei na exoyme ayto to kerdos.

KIAOS: Kati allo. Ti apantate ws kybernhsh sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Agkyras sxetika me thn anakoinwsh poy ebgale me to qema toy Otsalan kai thn epiqesh poy ejapelyse enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai gia na mhn anaferqw kataleptws, ti gnwrizete.

REPPAS: Oi kathgories kata ths Elladas apo thn Toyrkia einai asthriktes kai gi ayto einai pantelws adikaiologhtes. To Koyrdiko zhthma den einai dimeres qema metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias. Einai politiko problhma poy apasxolei thn E. E.. Einai politiko problhma to opoio prepei na apasxolhsei kai thn Toyrkia, h opoia kaleitai na to antimetwpisei kai na to lysei me politika kai mono mesa. To na kathgorei thn Ellada xwris epixeirhmata, pisteyw oti den thn wfelei kai den thn bohqaei na dei thn pragmatikothta -poy prepei na th dei- gia na mporesei etsi na lysei ena problhma, to opoio thn ekqetei dieqnws. Tetoioy eidoys politikes symperifores ek meroys ths Toyrkias enantion ths Elladas epanalambanontai. Deixnoyn to xarakthra ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias, kati to opoio, omws, kata th dikh mas apoch, den odhgei se lysh twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn thn Toyrkia. Ayto qa prepei na problhmatisei toys iqynontes ths Agkyras, giati oysiastika me tetoies symperifores kai dhlwseis, me tetoia stash, paramenoyn egklwbismenoi se ena problhma to opoio qa toys talaipwrei, oso den qeloyn na to doyn katamata, na to antimetwpisoyn kai na to lysoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia thn ejelijh poy teinei na labei h ypoqesh Otsalan sthn Italia, gia to gegonos, ap' oti fainetai, h italikh kybernhsh antimetwpizei pleon ton Otsalan, peripoy, ws laqrometanasth.

REPPAS: Eipa oti to Koyrdiko zhthma apasxolei thn E. E. sto plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai s' aythn gia thn antimetwpish toy. Anaferontai oi paragontes poy syzhtoyn kai sthn ptyxh ayth, th syllhch toy k. Otsalan sthn Italia. Pisteyw oti oi xeirismoi poy exei kanei h kybernhsh ths Italias, me bash toys nomoys toy geitonikoy kratoys, einai ypeyqynoi. Qa prepei emeis poy exoyme endiaferon gia th diasfalish twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn se kaqe gwnia ths ghs, poly perissotero sth dikh mas perioxh, na parakoloyqhsoyme kai na enqarrynoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn oi Italoi, prokeimenoy na yparjei mia dikaih lysh sto problhma poy antimetwpizei h geitonikh xwra, ayth thn wra, gia to pws akribws qa diaxeiristei thn paramonh sthn Italia toy k. Otsalan.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ws ypeyqyno xeirismo qewreite kai to gegonos oti ap' oti maqame ginontai syzhthseis akoma kai gia apelash toy Otsalan sth Rwsia;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio brisketai enocei einai h prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia mias Dieqnoys Eyrwpaikhs Diaskechs poy qa apasxolhqei me ayto to qema. Exoyn diatypwqei tetoies protaseis, tetoies eishghseis. Einai kati to opoio paroysiazei endiaferon kai pisteyoyme oti mporei na xrhsimopoihqei ws meso gia na odhghqoyme se mia diejodo.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, einai yper ths ekdoshs politikoy asyloy ston Otsalan h yper ths ekdikashs toy... (den akoygetai) dioti xqes o k. Pagkalos anefere to deytero skelos.

REPPAS: Eipa kai epanalambanw, oti parakoloyqoyme me endiaferon toys xeirismoys poy kanei h italikh kybernhsh. Den qa krinoyme aytoys toys xeirismoys. Qa enqarrynoyme toys paragontes ths geitonikhs xwras sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyn na broyn thn kalyterh lysh se ena problhma poy den einai mono diko toys qema, alla einai mia ptyxh enos genikoteroy problhmatos, toy Koyrdikoy problhmatos, poy apasxolei kai thn E. E.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H erwthsh moy afora se poia kateyqynsh enqarrynei h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn Italia;

REPPAS: Sthn kateyqynsh afenos ths anazhthshs mias dikaihs lyshs gia thn antimetwpish toy k. Otsalan, h opoia den mporei para na entassetai se prwtoboylies gia th synolikh epilysh toy Koyrdikoy problhmatos. Gnwrizete oti otan einai se ejelijh oi diaboyleyseis h otan antallassontai apoceis metajy paragontwn ths E. E., efoson den exei lhfqei telikh apofash, einai prowro -kai pantws aneyqyno- na poyme kai emeis poy symmetexoyme se ayton ton problhmatismo, kati parapanw. Pisteyoyme oti h italikh kybernhsh xeirizetai poly ypeyqyna to qema, to opoio elaxe s' ayth na antimetwpisei kai na diaxeiristei.

PARIS: O Prwqypoyrgos den eipe proxqes oti eimaste yper ths paraxwrhshs politikoy asyloy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes gi ayto. An pragmatika apofasisei h Italia na dwsei politiko asylo ston k. Otsalan, symfwnoyme me ayth thn epilogh. Alla, ayto einai kati gia to opoio qa labei apofash h italikh kybernhsh. Den qa apofasisoyme emeis gia logariasmo ths italikhs kybernhshs. Gi ayto akribws, eite afora thn apodosh asyloy ston k. Otsalan, eite afora thn proetoimasia kai diorganwsh mias diaskechs gia to qema ayto, eipa oti oles aytes oi apoceis diatypwnontai. Emeis symmetexoyme se ayton ton problhmatismo. Pisteyoyme oti h italikh kybernhsh xeirizetai poly ypeyqyna to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na epanelqw s' ayto poy rwthse o k. Kiaos gia toys nonoys toy podosfairoy. Yparxei periptwsh o k. Tsoxatzopoylos na leitoyrghse aneyqyna, xwris ypeyqynoys xeirismoys sto qema ayto, kanontas logo gia nonoys;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na kanoyme dikh prosqesewn. Den prokeitai na ejetasoyme ta kinhtra h toys logoys poy wqoyn politikoys paragontes na kanoyn dhlwseis epi diaforwn qematwn. Gnwrizete poly kala -kai milw genikws twra- oti o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas xeirizetai poly ypeyqyna para poly shmantika qemata, ta opoia aforoyn thn armodiothta toy ypoyrgeioy toy opoioy proistatai. Ara, loipon, den mporei na ginetai logos gia aneyqynothta. Oson afora twra tis apoceis poy ekfrazontai gia epimeroys qemata, kaqenas ekfrazei tis dikes toy apoceis. Kai logiko einai otan krinei, na ypokeitai kai sthn kritikh twn allwn gia tis apoceis poy ekfrazei.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia ta KAE. Eipate oti se eyqeto xrono qa prokhryxqei neos diagwnismos. Yparxoyn plhrofories, atypws bebaia, oti hdh exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon epixeirhmaties. Yparxei xronikos orizontas apo thn kybernhsh ayth th stigmh, yparxoyn nea dedomena;

REPPAS: Den mporoyme na prosdiorisoyme akribws to xroniko shmeio. Apo kei kai pera, opoioi oikonomikoi paragontes deijoyn sxetiko endiaferon, as anamenoyn thn epishmh diadikasia. Otan proxwrhsoyme se ayth thn prosklhsh ekdhlwshs endiaferontos gia th sygkekrimenh epixeirhsh, qa mporoyn ki ekeinoi, gnwrizontas, akribws kai safws, poioi einai oi oroi toy paixnidioy na laboyn meros s' ayth th diadikasia.

SOYRMELH: Epanerxomai se dyo erwthmata poy eqesa prohgoymenws. To prwto, afora tis synanthseis toy k. Kranidiwth sthn Amerikh. Epeidh, ta proswpa me ta opoia synanthqhke fainetai oti exoyn idiaitero endiaferon, einai aytoi poy ekanan protaseis. Ti neotero prokyptei apo aytes tis synanthseis; To deytero, einai pali sto qema toy Otsalan. Shmera, se mia synenteyjh toy, se mia rwsikh efhmerida, leei oti h Mosxa toy proteine thn Ellada, thn Kypro, thn Armenia kai kapoies xwres, san xwres poy qa mporoyse na paei. Mhpws eixate kapoia synennohsh me tis rwsikes Arxes sto qema toy Otsalan h yparxei en ejelijei kapoia synennohsh endexomenws gia argotera;

REPPAS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh den gnwrizw na exoyn prohghqei tetoies synennohseis kai pantws den yparxoyn ayth thn wra se ejelijh synennohseis gia to qema ayto, metajy twn dyo xwrwn h twn dyo kybernhsewn. Oson afora to prwto qema, sas lew oti stis synanthseis aytes epibebaiwqhke to endiaferon ths kybernhshs twn HPA, gia symbolh, apo meroys toys, sthn prospaqeia anazhthshs lyshs gia to Kypriako qema. Bebaiws, to na paramenei zwntano kai zwhro to endiaferon twn HPA, einai ena qetiko gegonos, den einai omws arketo. Giati qa prepei sthn prajh na doyme ayto to endiaferon na ekdhlwnetai me enan tetoio tropo, wste na prokyptei kai proodos sthn prospaqeia poy kataballei h Kypros, h Ellada kai alles xwres, prokeimenoy na epityxoyn telika mia dikaih kai biwsimh lysh sto Kypriako qema.

SOYRMELH: Dhladh, mono to Kypriako syzhthqhke;

REPPAS: Oson afora ta ellhnotoyrkika gnwrizete poies einai oi qeseis. Ekei den fainetai na yparxei shmeio proseggishs metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias.

FILHS: O Proedros toy SYN, k. Kwnstantopoylos, exei kataqesei mia protash ston Proedro ths Boylhs gia na yparjei pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh gia thn Paideia. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Qa dexqei o prwqypoyrgos na ginei ayth h syzhthsh kai ennow twra poy einai "kaytes" oi kinhtopoihseis;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o prosdiorismos hmeromhnias gia th syzhthsh tetoiwn protasewn ginetai se synennohsh me ton Proedro ths Boylhs. Qa prepei na deite poio einai to programma gia tis epomenes hmeres, ews tis argies twn Xristoygennwn, ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy na ektimhsete ean einai dynaton twra na organwqei sth Boylh tetoia syzhthsh. Ej oswn gnwrizoyme, kai gnwrizoyme arketes leptomereies sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den pisteyw oti exoyme xronika periqwria, wste na syzhthsoyme ayto to qema twra sth Boylh. Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei, meqayrio, gia th Germania. Qa brisketai pali edw, thn erxomenh Trith, se mia, dhladh, ebdomada. Thn Pempth anaxwrei gia th Biennh, prokeimenoy na labei meros sth Synodo Koryfhs. Epistrefei kai arxizei h syzhthsh sth Boylh gia ton Proypologismo. Meta h Boylh kleinei gia tis argies twn Xristoygennwn.

O Proedros ths Boylhs, se synennohsh me thn kybernhsh kai ta kommata, qa prosdiorisei thn hmeromhnia ths synedriashs, wste na dieykolynei th syzhthsh sth Boylh enos qematos poy oloys mas endiaferei idiaitera.

FILHS: Meta tis giortes ap` oti katalaba.

REPPAS: Den einai kati to opoio mporw na prosdiorisw egw gia to pote qa ginei xronika, doqentos oti den eimai egw aytos o opoios lambanei tis sxetikes apofaseis. To eipa prin oti o Proedros ths Boylhs, meta apo ena kyklo synennohsewn, qa epilejei thn katallhloterh hmeromhnia.

PARIS: Dwsate, xqes, mia apanthsh, k. Ekproswpe, sto qema poy qa rwthsw, alla epeidh h aneyresh benzinhs, tis teleytaies deka hmeres, gia deyterh fora einai odysseia qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean yparxei kapoia ejelijh sto qema ayto kai ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Se ligh wra prokeitai na ginei h synanthsh ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn poy exei thn prwtoboylia gia thn prowqhsh aytoy toy nomosxedioy sth Boylh, me ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn se diafores kathgories kai kladoys poy antidroyn s` aythn thn prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia enos megaloy tameioy epikoyrikhs asfalishs twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

Gnwrizete oti oson afora to qema kinhtopoihshs twn telwneiakwn ypallhlwn, prokeitai na synedriasei to armodio dikasthrio kai na ekdwsei, isws entos ths hmeras -einai kati poy den to gnwrizw akribws, thn apofash toy gia to an einai nomimh h kataxrhstikh h apergia. Exw th gnwmh pws h kalh pisth den exei ekleicei kai oti sth synanthsh ayth einai dynato, einai efikto oi dyo pleyres na proseggisoyn me katanohsh thn anagkh gia allages sto asfalistiko systhma, alla kai thn anagkh gia ajiopoihsh twn apoqematikwn twn tameiwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei meta apo tosa xronia kai na katalhjoyn se mia koinh stash. Pisteyw oti qa yparjei lysh.

KIAOS: Pote qa paei o k. Pagkalos sta Skopia;

REPPAS: Den exei prosdioristei h hmeromhnia ths episkechs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei epikoinwnia. Ayto den ginetai gia prwth fora. Einai kati to opoio qa ryqmistei mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy.

KIAOS: Entos toy `98 h meta;

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti mporei na ginei entos toy `98.

Sas eyxaristw poly!


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