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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Epeidh antilambanomai oti oi erwthseis sas qa peristrefontai gyrw apo to qema ths episkechs toy Proedroy twn HPA, krinw skopimo prokatabolika na sas pw oti gia to qema ayto den exw na prosqesw apolytws tipota. Qa anamenete thn ekdosh sxetikhs anakoinwshs, h opoia qa ginei stis 4 to apogeyma, wra Elladas, me sygkekrimenh anafora sto qema ths episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton. Allwste, gnwrizete poly kala pws pagia diplwmatikh taktikh epiballei thn taytoxronh ekdosh anakoinwsewn gia tetoia qemata. Ayto shmainei oti h anakoinwsh sthn Oyasigkton qa ginei stis 9 to prwi, wra Amerikhs.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Anaballetai h episkech, den qa ginei kaqoloy, qa erqei gia mia hmera; Ti qa ginei;

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena parapera sxolio, epeidh akribws sebomai kai prepei na thrhsw sthn prajh ayton ton kanona, o opoios isxyei, oson afora tis episkeceis hgetwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na sas rwthsw kati allo, tote. Erxetai to Sabbato o k. Klinton;

REPPAS: Den exw na prosqesw apolytws tipota. Gia otidhpote afora thn episkech toy Proedroy twn HPA, parakalw na anamenete thn ekdosh ths sxetikhs anakoinwshs, se liges wres, stis 4, wra Ellados.

KARELIAS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo thn troph poy phran ta pragmata se ayto to qema;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh qewrei pws einai shmantiko to oti qa episkefqei th xwra mas o Proedros Klinton, opws allwste anakoinwqhke apo to Leyko Oiko, xqes to brady. Oi dimereis sxeseis briskontai se kalo epipedo. Pisteyoyme oti, efoson diejaxqoyn oi synomilies kai exoyme qetika apotelesmata, tote mporoyme, ajiologwntas th synanthsh kai tis syzhthseis, na milhsoyme gia to baqmo ikanopoihshs. To oti h Ellada einai mia xwra h opoia molis proxqes, opws anefere kai o Proedros Klinton, anagnwrizetai oti exei enan prwtagwnistiko rolo sthn perioxh, einai kati poy apodeiknyei to poso epityxhmenh einai h politikh poy askoyme. H sxesh ths Elladas me alles xwres, h paroysia, h episkech jenwn hgetwn sthn Ellada, apodeiknyei toy logoy moy to alhqes. Me ayth thn ennoia, asfalws, o rolos ths Elladas einai shmantikos kai anagnwrizetai kai me ayto ton tropo. Me tis epafes, dhladh, oi opoies einai synexeis. Den exoyme kanena logo, oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema ths episkechs, twn hmeromhniwn, na ekfrasoyme eite ikanopoihsh, eite apogohteysh. Aplws, ola ayta ta qemata antimetwpizontai meta apo synennohsh, synergasia twn endiaferomenwn pleyrwn. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh twn dyo kybernhsewn. Ayto ginetai kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti eixame tis xqesinobradines ejelijeis kai kata kapoio tropo qetei se amfisbhthsh thn episkech ayto to Sabbatokyriako, h kybernhsh qewrei oti den metrhse swsta to eyros twn laikwn antidrasewn, opws lene kai stelexh toy PASOK, alla opws ektimoyn kai kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

REPPAS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Miloyme gia th diatypwsh -mesw diadhlwsewn- twn apocewn mias omadas sympolitwn mas. Einai sebastes oi apoceis toys, alla bebaiws oloi antilambaneste -allwste, ta megeqh einai metrhsima- pws den apotelei pleiochfia h omada ayth. Ara, den mporoyme na miloyme gia laikes antidraseis, oi opoies mporei na exoyn mia tetoia synepeia, na odhgoyn se ayto to apotelesma. Me ayth thn ennoia, den qa prepei na sysxetizete thn episkech ayth kaqeayth, me kapoies kinhtopoihseis oi opoies se mia dhmokratikh xwra -opws oloi anagnwrizoyn kai einai qesh arxhs kai gia th dikh mas kybernhsh- apoteloyn ena synhqes fainomeno h ena fainomeno to opoio apotelei, qa elega, ena stoixeio gia th leitoyrgia toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos. To na diatypwnoyn, dhladh, oi polites, otan krinoyn skopimotis apoceis toys me ton tropo, to nomimo kai eirhniko panta, o opoios epiballetai se aytes tis periptwseis.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti ena basiko krithrio oswn diamartyrontai gia thn episkech Klinton, opws toylaxiston dhmosiws exoyn pei, htan oti erxotan tis hmeres toy Polytexneioy. Twra, loipon, yparxoyn oi plhrofories, poy qa tis epibebaiwsoyme stis 4 to apogeyma, oti qa erqei meta to Polytexneio. H kybernhsh se ena tetoio endexomeno, qa epitrecei jana tis diadhlwseis sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia;

REPPAS: H apanthsh moy periexetai stis apanthseis poy edwsa se prohgoymenes erwthseis kai xqes, alla kai shmera se sas, molis prin.

FOYRLHS: Fainomena opws ayta twn kinhtopoihsewn h fainomena alloy typoy, opws ta dhmosieymata ston amerikaniko Typo, mporei na qewrhqoyn ws problhmata sthn ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh h afhnoyn adiaforh thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Asfalws, h ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh prospaqei na antimetwpisei kai na lysei problhmata. Kai exoyme problhmata se oloys toys tomeis kai ston tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Oydeis mporei na isxyristei kati diaforetiko. Apo thn allh, omws, prepei na anagnwristei oti exoyn ginei shmantika bhmata. Exei anabaqmistei h qesh ths xwras dieqnws kai oti eimaste, ayth thn wra, ikanoi na antimetwpizoyme polla problhmata poy sto parelqon den htan eykolo na antimetwpistoyn apo th dikh mas pleyra. Pisteyw oti h qesh ths Elladas einai enisxymenh shmera, perissotero para pote, sto dieqnes sterewma.

KARGOYDH: Xqes, yphrje mia dhlwsh toy Amerikanoy Proedroy, me thn opoia anabaqmizontai, dia stomatos toy k. Klinton, ta zhthmata twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, oson afora to Aigaio, kaqws epishs kai to Kypriako kai to qema twn diamartyriwn kata ths episkechs kai ths dysareskeias meridas ths ellhnikhs koinhs gnwmhs, proslambanei tis pragmatikes toy diastaseis. Hqela na rwthsw, an h ellhnikh pleyra ekfrazei thn ikanopoihsh gia ayth thn atyph atzenta poy periexetai sth dhlwsh toy k. Klinton.

REPPAS: Peran twn dhlwsewn twn hgetwn, poly prin, gnwrizoyn oloi oti sthn Ellada leitoyrgei h dhmokratia. Kai sto plaisio mias dhmokratikhs politeias, aytes oi nomimes kai eirhnikes ekdhlwseis toy fronhmatos einai, oxi monon paradektes, alla einai kai stoixeio ayths ths idias ths dhmokratias.

KARGOYDH: Oson afora ayto poy eipe o k. Klinton, oti to meizon stis synomilies toy me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo einai ta ellhnotoyrkika kai to Kypriakoti lete;

REPPAS: Proexoyn oi dimereis sxeseis. Peran aytoy o Prwqypoyrgos ekane sxetikh dhlwsh opoy anefere sygkekrimena shmeia poy qewrei oti kai ayta prepei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs. Kai ayta ta qemata einai, asfalws, h epilysh toy Kypriakoy, oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, o sebasmos apo oloys twn kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai bebaiws, h katastash sta Balkania kai h prospaqeia ths Elladas na symballei -me th bohqeia kai allwn dynamewn, twn HPA, en prokeimenw- sth dhmioyrgia synqhkwn diarkoys staqerothtas kai asfaleias. Qa elega, na melethsete kai thn omilia poy ekane o k. Klinton sto Panepisthmio "George Town", proxqes. Sthn omilia ayth qa breite oti o Amerikanos Proedros anaferetai me leptomereies, toso sthn Ellada, oso kai thn Toyrkia. Malista, exei kai mia apostrofh poy afora tis sxeseis ths Toyrkias me thn E. E., sthn opoia syndeei thn poreia ths Toyrkias pros thn Eyrwph me tis sxeseis ths Toyrkias me thn Ellada kai th stash ths sto kypriako qema. Aytes oi qeseis toy k. Klinton den eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas, toylaxiston se analogh ektash, oso alla shmeia ths omilias h alles dhlwseis toy. Pisteyw oti einai mia poly shmantikh topoqethsh.

Eseis gnwrizete poia einai h qesh mas, poia einai h politikh poy askoyme se ayta ta qemata. Paramenoyme se ayth thn politikh. Ayth qa anaptyjoyme se oloys toys hgetes poy qa episkefqoyn thn Ellada sto mellon, se kaqe periptwsh, pantoy kai panta, giati pisteyoyme oti oi qeseis mas aytes einai orqes. H politikh poy yperaspizomaste pisteyoyme oti mporei na dwsei lysh, an efarmostei, sta problhmata ths Perioxhs kai na ejasfalisei synqhkes staqerothtas kai asfaleias gia para polla xronia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela ena sxoliasmo h mia dieykrinish se ayta poy eipate. Akoysa me prosoxh ayta poy eipate prohgoymenws, oti exoyn beltiwqei oi sxeseis metajy twn dyo xwrwn, oti exei anabaqmistei to kyros ths xwras mas, oti h Ellas einai enisxymenh, exei anagnwristei h qesh ths. Ola ayta eginan twra, epi twn hmerwn ths paroysas kybernhshs kai ti diafora yparxei sthn politikh toy Andrea Papandreoy, o opoios ola ta xronia, otan htan sthn ejoysia, den hqele oyte na paei, oyte na dei kanenan Amerikano Proedro; Pote htan kalyterh h qesh ths Elladas, tote h twra;

REPPAS: Ayto einai gnwrisma twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK, oti epitygxanoyn na enisxyoyn th qesh ths xwras. Sas ypenqymizw, giati sas diafeygei, oti to '89-'90, eixame kosmogonikes allages ston planhth mas. H politikh poy akoloyqhqhke sth dekaetia toy '80 htan se armonia me kanones, arxes, synqhkes kai periorismoys poy isxyan ayth th dekaetia kai eixan jekinhsei prin apo polles dekaeties. Meta to '93, poy kai pali to PASOK anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras, stis nees synqhkes qa eprepe na askhsoyme politikh kai na poreyqoyme me tetoio tropo, wste kai pali na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta ths xwras kai na enisxysoyme th qesh mas. Kai kata th mia periodo kai kata thn allh, egine oti eprepe, prokeimenoy na anabaqmistei dieqnws h qesh ths xwras mas. Ayto to exoyme petyxei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H erwthsh moy: Anagnwrizete to kyros ths "Oyasigkton Post" ws efhmeridas diakekrimenhs stis HPA;

REPPAS: An baqmologhsw mia efhmerida, tote qa prepei na apanthsw se sxetikh erwthsh gia to epipedo kyroys mias ellhnikhs efhmeridas. Antilambaneste, omws, pws o kaqenas exei th dikh toy apoch kai den eimai egw armodios, oyte moy epitrepetai kai malista dhmosiws kai epishmws, na baqmologw to kyros twn entypwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Lambanetai ypoch, en pash periptwsei, h ekfrash ths dhmosias gnwmhs mias efhmeridas ths Amerikhs;

REPPAS: Sas diabebaiwnw oti lambanetai ypoch apo emas otidhpote dhmosieyetai, se opoiadhpote efhmerida, otidhpote proballetai se opoiodhpote Meso Enhmerwshs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To teleytaio xroniko diasthma polla stelexh toy PASOK kai malista agwnistika stelexh, me drash, istoria, exoyn anagnwrisei dhmosiws, se thleoptikes ekpompes, oti ekpaideythkan se jena stratopeda, oti jeroyn apo enoplo agwna, jeroyn apo antistasiako, agwna kai ta exoyn epibebaiwsei ws pergamhnes kai isws na einai etsi. Poia sxesh mporei na exoyn ayta ta gegonota me th momfh poy apodidetai apo thn "Oyasigkton Post" se stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos;

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh, gia ton aploystato logo oti h epixeiroymenh apo polloys, me kakopisto, me kakoboylo tropo, diasyndesh ths antidiktatorikhs drashs kapoiwn stelexwn me fainomena tromokratikwn energeiwn poy akoloyqhsan, einai anepitrepth. Spilwnei thn timh, thn proswpikothta twn stelexwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn fainomenwn ths tromokratias, yparxei stenh synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn ths xwras mas me tis yphresies allwn xwrwn -kai twn HPA- gia arketa xronia. Yparxei paroysia kai synergasia stelexwn jenwn yphresiwn sthn Ellada, antallagh empeirias, plhroforiwn. Den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote momfh h aitiash enantion ths xwras mas, twn armodiwn yphresiwn pio sygkekrimena, oson afora th boylhsh mas na antimetwpisoyme kai na ejaleicoyme ayta ta fainomena. Einai anepitrepth opoiadhpote tetoia kritikh askeitai. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Safws. Kat arxhn, h diaqesh moy den einai kakoboylh...

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den xarakthrisa egw ayta ta gegonota, ws tromokratika h alla.

REPPAS: Den eipa tetoio pragma. Lew oti polloi -gnwrizete poly kala- epixeiroyn me kakopisto tropo ayth th diasyndesh. Den eipa oti to kanete eseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kanoyn ayth th diasyndesh, epeidh polla stelexh sas, yperhfanws to lene, yperhfanws anaferontai sth drasthriothta toys ekeinh.

REPPAS: Kala kanoyn. H drasthriothta toys ekeinh toys tima. Ti sxesh exei ayto me fainomena tromokratias, ta opoia anaptyssontai se allh periodo, me ta opoia den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh;

PAPADOPOYLOS: An exoyn sxesh ta dhmosieymata me ayta ta proswpa, ennow... h me kapoia alla toy kybernwntos kommatos.

REPPAS: Edwsa mia politikh apanthsh, legontas oti yparxei synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn gia thn patajh toy fainomenoy ths tromokratias. Ara, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote aitiash, oson afora th dikh mas pleyra, gia ameleia, adiaforia -akomh kai gia elleich boylhshs kapoioi miloyn- prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kai na ejaleicoyme to fainomeno, ayto. Einai dedomeno oti eimaste anoiktoi se opoiadhpote synergasia, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to kalytero apotelesma. H boylhsh mas einai isxyrh. Einai dedomeno ayto kai den prepei na to amfisbhtei kaneis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To amfisbhtoyn oi HPA...

REPPAS: Se polla qemata den symfwnoyme me jenes kybernhseis. Alla...

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, prin apo treis hmeres poy sas rwtoysa, moy legate oti den yparxei qema na syzhthsoyme gia tromokratia kai twra einai mesa sthn atzenta, ean erqei telikws gia na syzhthsei.

REPPAS: Kanete laqos, giati milhsate gia ta entypa kai eidikotera thn "Oyasigkton Post", kalwntas me na pw poso egkyrh einai kai twra, sto telos, syndeete to dhmosieyma ayto me thn amerikanikh kybernhsh. H amerikanikh kybernhsh exei dhlwsei oti den aphxoyn tis qeseis, tis apoceis, thn politikh ths ayta ta dhmosieymata. Giati kanete ayth th sysxetish;

FOYRLHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh eggyatai thn asfaleia toy Amerikanoy Proedroy, kata thn paramonh toy sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Einai asteio kai na to syzhtoyme akomh. Eggyatai apolytws, opws symbainei me oloys toys hgetes, oi opoioi episkeptontai th xwra mas.

KARASABBA: Mia dieykrinish: Epibebaiwnete h diaceydete thn plhroforia oti h Ellada zhthse thn anabolh ths episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta poy aforoyn thn episkech, den exw na prosqesw apolytws tipota. Qa anamenete thn anakoinwsh poy qa ekdwsoyme stis 4 to apogeyma.

KARASABBA: H anakoinwsh afora thn episkech, den gnwrizete an isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Kai poios sas eipe oti ayto poy gnwrizw prepei na to anakoinwsw twra kai oxi stis 4 to apogeyma; Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo;

KARASABBA: Ara den diaceydete ayto to gegonos...

REPPAS: Ayto einai to diko sas symperasma.

KARASABBA: Poio einai to symperasma;

REPPAS: Qa anamenete na ejagete sigoyro symperasma stis 4 to apogeyma, otan diabasete thn anakoinwsh poy qa ekdwsoyme.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Anejarthta apo to pote qa erqei o Amerikanos Proedros sthn Aqhna, to aithma ths Oyasigkton na mh ginoyn diadhlwseis mprosta sthn presbeia, ejakoloyqei na yfistatai;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se erwthseis synadelfwn sas kai alles hmeres, alla kai shmera.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: To oti h diadhlwsh mprosta sthn presbeia, enw o hgeths ths xwras ayths einai mesa, einai nomimh energeia, opws th xarakthrizete, einai kai sthn antilhch ths amerikanikhs pleyras;

REPPAS: Qa rwthsete thn amerikanikh pleyra gia tis dikes ths apoceis. Ekana xqes kai ep aytoy ena sxolio kai gnwrizete poia einai h qesh poy aneptyja. Yparxei -eipa- h politikh qesh, h qesh arxhs apo th mia pleyra kai apo thn allh, asfalws, ayto den einai stoixeio poy mporei kapoios na to dei me enan tropo poy qa toy prokalei kai ikanopoihsh. Den nomizw oti einai stoixeio gia th dhmioyrgia tetoiwn synaisqhmatwn.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: H stenh synergasia, sthn opoia anaferqhkate, sto qema ths tromokratias me stelexh twn HPA, dhmioyrgei kai thn analogh eyqynh, sto pososto poy toys analogei sth mh apotelesmatikh, mexri twra, antimetwpish toy fainomenoy;

REPPAS: Den qa ajiologhsw th drasthriothta twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Gnwrizete poia einai ta apotelesmata. Den einai ayta poy epiqymoyme na exoyme. Apo thn allh pleyra omws, prepei na poyme oti peran ths isxyrhs boylhshs, h prospaqeia poy ginetai gia na ejaleicoyme to fainomeno ayto einai entonh. Gia tis yphresies twn allwn xwrwn, yparxoyn armodies elegktikes arxes twn xwrwn aytwn poy qa bgaloyn ta dika toys symperasmata.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Apo tis plhrofories poy eixame xqes apo thn Oyasigkton kai to Parisi, prokyptei to symperasma oti to poiotika diaforetiko stoixeio twn newn ejelijewn einai oti qa prohghqei h episkech toy Proedroy Klinton sthn Toyrkia kai qa akoloyqhsei sthn Ellada. H Aqhna exei diamhnysei sthn amerikanikh pleyra oti epimenei sthn apoch ths peri ekdhlwsewn -kinhsewn kalhs qelhsews apo thn pleyras ths Toyrkias wste ayth h episkech sthn Ellada toy Amerikanoy Proedroy na exei kapoio apotelesma;

REPPAS: Pantote epiqymoyme sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn na prokyptoyn apotelesmata, ta opoia qa odhgoyn kai se praktikh efarmogh oswn syzhtoyntai kai symfwnoyntai. Se alles periptwseis -kai xqes epanerxomenos- eipa oti qa qesoyme me emfantiko tropo ta qemata ayta sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h episkech, se kaqe periptwsh, organwnetai, proetoimazetai, diekperaiwnetai kai oloklhrwnetai me synergasia twn dyo pleyrwn. Einai logiko, loipon -to perimenete kai eseis- oi syzhthseis oi opoies ginontai na exoyn mia wfelimh synepeia gia oloys osoi syzhtoyn. Emeis exoyme pei dhmosiws poioi einai ekeinoi oi tomeis, stoys opoioys prepei na epikentrwqei to endiaferon ths kybernhshs twn HPA, prokeimenoy na prokycoyn lyseis se problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn perioxh. Se ayta qa epikentrwsoyme to diko mas endiaferon.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate sthn eisagwgh sas oti den exoyn sxesh oi laikes antidraseis me tis opoies ejelijeis aforoyn thn episkech toy Proedroy twn HPA. Apo to prwi akoyw sta MME oti efoson pragmatopoihqei h episkech, ta opoia arnhtika endexomenws apotelesmata ths qa ofeilontai stis diamartyries poy yparxoyn sthn Ellada gia to proswpo toy Proedroy, na ypoqesw oti h dikh sas topoqethsh edw, eisagwgika, synista kai mia apanthsh h opoia den einai symfwnh me aytes tis apoceis;

REPPAS: Qa elega na bgalete kalytero symperasma, lambanontas ypoch oti ayth h kybernhsh poy epi tria kai pleon xronia exei thn eyqynh na odhgei th xwra mas, polles fores antimetwpise laikes antidraseis, kinhtopoihseis oi opoies, bebaiws, eixan na poyn kati sthn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh ayto poy qewrhse xrhsimo, to ajiopoihse. Antimetwpise me diaforetiko tropo kai aperrice ayto poy pistece oti einai epizhmio kai etsi synexizei thn poreia ths. Meta apo triamisi xronia paramenei kybernhsh, enw oi kinhtopoihseis aytes - oi oyk oliges- poy eginan ayta ta xronia, epixeirhqhke na apotelesoyn anaxwma stis prospaqeies ths kybernhshs. Kai omws, ayto den egine. Ayto na labete ypoch sas. Gia na katalhjw, me mia protash, sto ejhs: H politikh poy akoloyqoyn oi kybernhseis, xarassetai me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai bebaiws aphxei kai thn koinh gnwmh kai tis qeseis twn politwn kaqe xwras. Allwste, to oti oi polites se mia dhmokratia anadeiknyoyn thn kybernhsh toys, ayto einai ena tekmhrio oti kaqe fora h kybernhsh xarazei kai akoloyqei thn politikh, ekfrazontas ayto poy einai kai epilogh twn politwn h toylaxiston ths pleiochfias twn politwn. Ayto symbainei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Mh syndeete to ena me to allo. H politikh h opoia akoloyqeitai apo mia kybernhsh, den allazei kaqe fora poy exoyme kapoioy eidoys antidraseis, se aythn. Den einai swsto ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Na to qesw diaforetika: H ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei oti oi apoceis me tis opoies qa proselqei o Klinton sthn Ellada, se oti afora ta qemata ta opoia endiaferoyn thn ellhnikh pleyra qa kaqoristei h stash toy me bash tis antidraseis poy synanta apo toys Ellhnes polites;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poia qa einai h stash toy k. Klinton. Me ayth thn ennoia, den mporw, ayth thn wra na kanw opoiodhpote sxolio, ypoqetontas poia qa einai ayth h stash. Ayto poy mporw na pw, omws, einai toyto kai mono toyto: Einai pros to symferon ths Elladas na prowqhsoyme akomh perissotero tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis kai oti h paroysia jenwn hgetwn sthn Ellada einai stoixeio to opoio prosqetei kai den afairei sthn prospaqeia poy kanoyme, sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs, na frontisoyme ta eqnika symferonta. Einai pros to symferon ths Elladas kai pros to symferon ths allhs pleyras me thn opoia diathroyme sxeseis kai me thn opoia h sxesh ayth exei periqwria na ginei kalyterh. Ayto einai poly logiko.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, o Proedros Klinton ekane mia mallon apajiwtikh topoqethsh gia thn yparjiakoy xarakthra paroysia sthn Ellada kommoynistwn, anarxikwn kai aristerwn. Gia thn oikonomia ths syzhthshs qewrw oti isxyei ayto poy lete oti to PASOK einai aristero komma. Me bash ayto qa hqela na moy peite an h kybernhsh enoxleitai.

REPPAS: Epeidh qelete na metaqesoyme th syzhthsh se ena allo pedio, gnwrizete poly kala, oti h gnwsh apo ton k. Klinton, opws kai apo polloys alloys hgetes ths politikhs gewgrafias sthn Ellada, apodeiknyei pws h Ellada einai mia dhmokratia opoy oles oi politikes dynameis exoyn paroysia kai fwnh. Den qewrw oti egine me apajiwtiko tropo ayth h anafora. Den prokyptei apo poyqena. Einai symperasma diko sas. Den qelw na symmeristw ayth thn ekdoxh, dioti qewrw oti oi polites, anejarthtws fronhmatos, poy ypakoyoyn sto Syntagma ths xwras, poy zoyn se ayth th xwra, poy ergazontai se ayth th xwra, poy agapoyn ayth th xwra, poy plhrwnoyn toys foroys se ayth th xwra, poy einai synepeis me tis ypoxrewseis se ayth thn patrida, einai polites xrhsimoi gia thn Ellada. Den nomizw oti mporei kapoios na mila apajiwtika gia toys polites ayths ths xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Lete dhladh oti o k. Klinton...

REPPAS: Den lew tipota. An hqela kati na pw qa to elega.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Lete oti apedwse foro timhs...

REPPAS: Lew oti o k. Klinton milhse me poly qetika logia gia thn Ellada. Kai h Ellada eimaste oloi mas. Den eimaste kapoioi...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Plhn kommoynistwn kai aristerwn.

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. O k. Klinton to synedese ayto me ekeinoys poy eixan diaforetikh topoqethsh, sthn politikh poy akoloyqhse h kybernhsh toy sto Kossyfopedio. Ayto einai kati gnwsto. Den anakalyce thn pyritida legontas to. Alla, o k. Klinton milhse gia thn Ellada me poly epainetiko logo. H Ellada einai oloi oi polites ths. Den einai kapoioi ejairoymenwn kapoiwn allwn. Ayth einai h dikh mas qesh.

KAMPOYRGIANH: H ellhnikh kybernhsh synergazetai stena me thn amerikanikh, prokeimenoy ayth h episkech na pragmatopoihqei akribws opws eixe programmatistei. Ean telika ayth h episkech den pragmatopoihqei opws akribws eixe programmatistei, ayto qa einai mia dysmenhs ejelijh. Kai an meiwqei h diarkeia ths episkechs meiwnetai to kyros ths xwras;

REPPAS: Apanthsa sthn arxh, otan moy eqese synadelfos sas to erwthma an noiwqoyme ikanopoihsh meta apo ayth thn ejelijh. Qa elega pws arnhtikh ejelijh gia thn Ellada einai ekeinh kata thn opoia h Ellada den diathrei sxeseis me alles xwres kai me tis HPA. Arnhtikh ejelijh qa htan, na einai h Ellada mia xwra thn opoia den episkeptontai jenoi hgetes, na einai h Ellada mia xwra ths opoias o hgeths den proskaleitai se jenes xwres. Me ayth thn ennoia, epeidh ayto den symbainei, den mporoyme na milhsoyme gia arnhtikes ejelijeis.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Asxetws apo to ti qa anakoinwqei stis tesseris to apogeyma, tis arxikes proetoimasies poy eixan ginei gia thn pragmatopoihsh ayth ths episkechs - apo oso gnwrizw- tis eixe analabei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Papandreoy. Ti yposxeseis kai ti diabebaiwseis eixan doqei sthn amerikanikh pleyra gia na erqei sth xwra mas o Proedros Klinton.

REPPAS: Oti qa ginei dektos, opws oloi oi hgetes twn jenwn xwrwn poy erxontai sthn Ellada, symfwna me ta osa problepoyn oi kanones ths diplwmatias kai ths kalhs politikhs synergasias. Kai paramenoyme se ayth th qesh.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Ti exei allajei gia na exoyme ayth thn ejelijh;

REPPAS: Poia ejelijh exoyme, thn opoia qewreite oti einai arnhtikh kai apo mena den xarakthrizetai etsi, opws sas eipa prin;

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Den thn xarakthrisa arnhtikh.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti otidhpote afora tis sxeseis dyo xwrwn, einai apotelesma twn synennohsewn kai ths synergasias twn dyo xwrwn. Otidhpote afora thn episkech enos jenoy hgeth se mia xwra, antimetwpizetai sto plaisio ths synergasias me kalh pisth twn dyo kybernhsewn. To idio ginetai kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

FILHS: Anejarthtws pws xarakthrizete thn ejelijh ayth, prepei na poyme oti den einai mia eyxaristh ejelijh, na einai se ekkremothta kai abebaiothta mia episkech sthn opoia epishmws h kybernhsh eixe enapoqesei elpides gia thn prowqhsh twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean prokyptoyn eyqynes gia ton tropo poy me mystikopaqeia xeiristhke to qema ths proetoimasias ths episkechs, h kybernhsh kai molis sto parapente kalese toys politikoys arxhgoys na toys zhthsei na mhn kanoyn kinhtopoihseis kai oxi na toys enhmerwsei epi ths oysias ths episkechs. Ean prokyptoyn eyqynes poy qa prospaqhsei h kybernhsh na tis diorqwsei me to na ajiopoihsei, stis liges hmeres poy apomenoyn, opote ginei h episkech, mia epikoinwnia me ton ypoloipo politiko kosmo;

REPPAS: Den prokyptei kamia eyqynh. Oson afora thn politikh poy askoyme einai toso safhs h qesh mas, wste den yparxei kamia amfibolia gia to poia einai h politikh ayth. Allwste, an kapoios politikos arxhgos eixe opoiadhpote amfibolia gia to poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia diafora shmantika, zwtikhs shmasias qemata, qa mporoyse na zhthsei kat idian synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, gia na exei plhresterh enhmerwsh sta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, eite einai to Kypriako, eite oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, eite h paroysia ths Elladas sta Balkania. Menw se tria shmantika shmeia ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas. Apo kei kai pera, asfalws, kalese toys politikoys arxhgoys kai syzhthse mazi toys o Prwqypoyrgos to qema ths epikeimenhs episkechs. Kai einai kati, to opoio gnwrizete poly kala oti egine logw ths megalhs shmasias poy dinoyme se ayth thn episkech. Elpides pantote yparxoyn. Gi ayto agwnizontai oi anqrwpoi, oi politikoi, oi kybernhseis. Epeidh akribws pisteyoyn oti h synexhs prospaqeia einai ayth h opoia mporei na odhghsei se sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Xwris prospaqeia, den prokyptoyn apotelesmata.

FILHS: H synanthsh me ton k. Karamanlh qa ginei ayrio;

REPPAS: Oi programmatismenes synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy isxyoyn apolytws.

Sas eyxaristw.

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