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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-08-27

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Aygoystoy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Pisteyw oti perasate poly kala. Ayto fainetai, allwste. Elpizw, h nea periodos na einai to idio gonimh. Apo o,ti diapistwnw ananewsate tis dynameis sas.

Qa moy epitrecete, sto jekinhma ths neas ayths periodoy ths politikhs enhmerwshs na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Ayth thn wra synedriazei, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK, to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei se synergasia to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Kwsta Skandalidh. Argotera, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa dexqei, sto plaisio timhtikhs ekdhlwshs, toys Ellhnes aqlhtes poy diakriqhkan, o kaqenas sto agwnisma toy, se pagkosmia prwtaqlhmata. Qa timhqoyn oi Kwstas Kenterhs, Mirela Tzelilh, Katerina Qanoy, Kwstas Gkatsioydhs, Tasoyla Kelesidoy, Nikos Kaklamanakhs, h omada ydatosfairishs ths Eqnikhs Omadas twn Efhbwn kai h omada andrwn ths kwphlasias. Sth synexeia, stis 12.30, qa synedriasei h diypoyrgikh epitroph gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

Thn Tetarth, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Syntonistiko Kentro Katapolemhshs twn Pyrkagiwn, sto Xalandri. Argotera, stis 13.30, qa dexqei th Dioikhsh toy Ergatikoy Kentroy qessalonikhs. Sth synanthsh ayth qa symmetexoyn oi Ypoyrgoi Ergasias Tasos Giannithss kai Makedonias-Qrakhs Giwrgos Pasxalidhs. Stis 7 to apogeyma qa synedriasei, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK, to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs. Qa synergastei, sygkekrimena, me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Gianno Papantwnioy, ton Yfypoyrgo Giwrgo Dry, me th symmetoxh kai twn synergatwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sth 1 to meshmeri, qa dexqei se synergasia gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy toy ton Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs Niko Xristodoylakh.

Thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbato, opws gnwrizete, synedriazei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, enocei toy Synedrioy toy Kinhmatos. Oi ergasies jekinoyn to prwi ths Paraskeyhs kai oloklhrwnontai arga to apogeyma toy Sabbatoy.

Th Deytera, sth 1 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ekproswpoys ths GSEE kai stis 7 to apogeyma ekproswpoys toy SEB.

Thn Trith ( 4 Septembrioy) qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs.

Ayta, oson afora to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Gnwrizete oti ellhnikes stratiwtikes dynameis symmetexoyn sthn polyeqnikh dynamh sta Skopia, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei o afoplismos twn Albanwn ejtremistwn. H apofash ayth elhfqh apo to NATO, meta apo aithma poy eqese sth Symmaxia, me epistolh toy o Proedros toy geitonikoy kratoys k. Traikofski, to opoio ekrine oti syntrexoyn oi proypoqeseis gia thn apostolh ths polyeqnikhs dynamhs. Emeis symmetexoyme se ayth th dieqnh apostolh, poy exei apolytws eirhniko xarakthra. Gnwrizete oti sto stratopedo toy Kribolak, poy brisketai metajy Skopiwn kai ellhnoskopianwn synorwn, qa ginei h sygkentrwsh toy synolikoy ariqmoy twn oplwn poy exei teqei ws stoxos apo to dieqnh paragonta. Ta opla ayta, sth synexeia, qa metaferqoyn sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na katastrafoyn. Pisteyoyme oti h sobarothta ths katastashs qa epibalei se oloys na epideijoyn synepeia kai eyqynh, oson afora thn efarmogh twn symfwniwn poy exoyn ginei. Emeis eimaste parontes giati ayto epiballei to symferon ths xwras mas, to symferon ths eyryterhs perioxhs. Elpizoyme, me thn paroysia twn dynamewn toy NATO na epanelqei h hremia sto geitoniko kratos. Ayto einai pros ofelos olwn mas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na rwthsw giati o Prwqypoyrgos den dexetai thn trimelh epitroph ths Ierarxias. Den qelei kamia syzhthsh me thn Ekklhsia, me kanena stelexos ths; Entajei, me ton Arxiepiskopo den qelei, giati den dexetai epitropes kai tis parapempei se ypoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na anaferqw, kat` arxas, sto istoriko kai sth synexeia na kanw ena sxolio gia th qesh ths kybernhshs. Pragmati, h Ekklhsia me ekproswpo ths apeyqynqhke sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, zhtwntas na episkefqei ton Prwqypoyrgo h Epitroph Mhtropolitwn poy exei asxolhqei me to qema ths sylloghs ypografwn gia to zhthma twn astynomikwn deltiwn anagnwrishs twn politwn, twn taytothtwn. O Prwqypoyrgos parepemce, opws htan anamenomeno, toys ekproswpoys ths Ekklhsias ston armodio ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. H kybernhsh einai sth diaqesh ths armodias epitrophs. Mporei, se synennohsh me ton k. Eyqymioy, h omada twn triwn Mhtropolitwn na syzhthsei ayto to qema, sto plaisio pantote, to opoio orioqetei kai th qesh ths kybernhshs. Den exei teqei apo ton Arxiepiskopo qema synanthshs me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

Prepei na poyme oti h kybernhsh den exei kanena pneyma antiparaqeshs pros thn Ekklhsia. H kybernhsh epiqymei th gonimh epikoinwnia kai synergasia. Yparxei pedio gia th synanthsh kai syzhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo. To pedio ayto den einai allo apo th seira twn qematwn poy apo koinoy apasxoloyn kai prepei na antimetwpistoyn apo thn Politeia kai thn Ekklhsia. Sta qemata ayta, asfalws, den symperilambanetai to qema twn taytothtwn. To qema ayto exei kleisei. Einai qema apokleistikhs armodiothtas ths Politeias. To exei antimetwpisei h kybernhsh. Exei diatypwsei me safhneia kai kathgorhmatikothta thn telikh qesh ths. Den exoyn kanei kati analogo ola ta alla politika kommata, idiws to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. H Nea Dhmokratia siwphse gia to qema ayto, to opoio -kata ta alla- qewrei oti einai shmantiko. Parola ayta siwpa. Emeis exoyme diatypwsei th qesh mas, me bash thn arxh ths politikhs mas oti prepei na ginontai sebasta ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn. Pisteyoyme oti, meta thn apofash toy Anwtatoy Dioikhtikoy Dikasthrioy ths xwras mas, toy StE, poy krinei ws orqh kai nomika ayth thn epilogh ths kybernhshs, den yparxei periqwrio gia opoiadhpote peraiterw syzhthsh, oson afora to sygkekrimeno ayto qema. Kata ta alla, den tiqetai qema synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ekproswpoys ths Ekklhsias. Synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo, mporei na ginei efoson zhthqei kati tetoio se eyqeto xrono, afoy h synanthsh ayth exei proetoimastei mesw ekproswpwn ths kybernhshs kai ths Politeias, mesw toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa zhthsei, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos na synanthqei h o Arxiepiskopos gia na ginei telika ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Poio einai to erwthma poy qetete;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa zhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos na ginei synanthsh gia ola ta alla qemata me ton Arxiepiskopo h o Arxiepiskopos prepei na th zhthsei;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den exei analabei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Antiqetws, h Ekklhsia exei analabei seira prwtoboyliwn gia synanthseis toy Prokaqhmenoy ths h ekproswpwn ths me diaforoys politeiakoys h politikoys paragontes. Sto plaisio ayto, an h Ekklhsia apeyqynqei ston Prwqypoyrgo gia syzhthsh qematwn poy mporei na antimetwpistoyn apo koinoy apo thn Politeia kai thn Ekklhsia, qa exei bebaiws mia qetikh apanthsh. Alla, ayto qa einai to apotelesma ths proergasias poy qa ginei metajy twn ekproswpwn ths Ekklhsias kai toy ekproswpoy ths kybernhshs, poy den einai allos apo ton armodio ypoyrgo k. Eyqymioy.

SKOYRHS: Dhladh, k. Ypoyrge, an ginei synanthsh me ton Arxiepiskopo, qa toy apagoreysete na qesei to qema twn taytothtwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy exoyn oysiastiko periexomeno, einai pantote synanthseis me sygkekrimenh atzenta poy exei proetoimastei mesw ekproswpwn ths kybernhshs kai ekproswpwn twn diaforwn forewn. Ayto prepei na ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh kai ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, den yparxei periorismos, opoiasdhpote morfhs, toy dikaiwmatos kaqe polith se ayth th xwra na leei thn apoch toy. Gia to antiqeto, malista, kapoioi mas kathgoroyn. Oydeis periorizetai, oson afora th dynatothta toy, na leei ayto poy pisteyei, ayto poy epiqymei kai malista polles fores me tropo akraio kai yperboliko.

SKOYRHS: Qa hqela, epishs, na sas rwthsw gia orismena qemata poy aforoyn tis epiptwseis poy mporei na exei to Synedrio sthn kybernhtikh politikh. Diabaza mia dhlwsh toy Grammatea toy Kommatos, toy k. Skandalidh poy elege oti oi apofaseis toy Synedrioy einai ypoxrewtikes gia thn kybernhsh. Rwtw: Akoma kai an einai ejw apo to proeklogiko ths programma;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK exei parei seira prwtoboyliwn. Aytos, allwste, einai o rolos toy, kaqws to Kinhma mas proxwra pros thn organwsh aytoy toy shmantikoy Synedrioy. H kybernhsh mas exei anadeixqei me th laikh chfo, sth bash enos eklogikoy programmatos poy paroysiase o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi ekproswpoi toy PASOK ston ellhniko lao ton Aprilio toy 2000. Basei aytoy toy programmatos, o ellhnikos laos empisteyqhke se mas th diakybernhsh ths xwras. To plaisio ths politikhs mas einai dedomeno, allwste, me bash kai thn kybernhtikh politikh poy askhqhke thn periodo poy perase, apo tis ekloges mexri shmera. Pantote yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs. Pantote qa prepei na prosarmozoyme thn politikh mas, prokeimenoy na thn kanoyme pio apotelesmatikh kai na th beltiwnoyme stis nees synqhkes. Prepei pantote na eimaste parontes stis proklhseis twn kairwn. Ayto einai kai to nohma toy Synedrioy. Asfalws, den qa anatrecei to eklogiko programma toy PASOK, to opoio chfise o ellhnikos laos, giati to Synedrio ws swma den mporei na ypokatasthsei to eklogiko swma, poy einai to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qa syzhthsei, omws -giati ayth thn ypoxrewsh exei na kanei kaqe komma sto plaisio twn eswterikwn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn- to synolo twn politikwn sthn kateyqynsh na beltiwqoyn, pantote ypo to pneyma toy eklogikoy programmatos poy chfise o ellhnikos laos.

SKOYRHS: Diabasa ena dhmosieyma poy elege, anasxhmatismos apo mhdenikh bash. Bebaia, o kaqe anasxhmatismos apo mhdenikh bash ginetai. Mporeite, omws, na to peite kai eseis ayto, oti o epomenos anasxhmatismos qa ginei apo mhdenikh bash;

REPPAS: O epomenos anasxhmatismos, opws kai o prohgoymenos, opws kaqe anasxhmatismos, ginetai me eyqynh kai epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios exei ton apokleistiko logo gia to qema ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, einai aytos poy apofasizei poia proswpa einai ta pleon endedeigmena kai katallhla, prokeimenoy na analaboyn sygkekrimena kaqhkonta gia thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, poy ayto pleon orioqeteitai sth bash enos programmatos poy exei egkrinei o ellhnikos laos. O Prwqypoyrgos pantote jekina -kai kaqe Prwqypoyrgos to idio ekane sto parelqon kai qa kanei sto mellon- apo mhdenikh bash gia na katartisei thn kybernhsh toy. Kai pisteyw oti h empeiria poy exei apokthsei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos apo th synergasia toy me ta stelexh ths kybernhshs, toy dinei th dynatothta -giati den eimaste mia kybernhsh oligwn hmerwn, den eimaste mia nea kybernhsh- na gnwrizei poly kala o idios kai apo prwto xeri to epipedo sto opoio mporei na kinhqei kaqe ypoyrgos.

MIXAHL: Mas eipate oti to qema twn taytothtwn exei kleisei kai oti gia thn kybernhsh mporei na syzhthqoyn ola ta alla, efoson ginei h proetoimasia k.t.l. To problhma den einai ayto. To problhma einai ayto poy lene oi idioi oi mhtropolites kai oi synergates toy k. Xristodoyloy, oi opoioi zhtoyn na dexqei o Prwqypoyrgos ton Arxiepiskopo gia to qema twn taytothtwn. Ola ta alla den toys endiaferoyn. O k. Koymarianos, stenos synergaths toy kai mhtropoliths Qessaliwtidos to eipe: "Ayto qeloyme emeis. Ola ta alla, mporoyme na ta syzhthsoyme kai ayrio kai meqayrio kai meta apo ena 6mhno k.t.l. To sygkekrimeno qema mas "kaiei" kai qeloyme twra na to syzhthsoyme". Se ayto to qema, eseis eiste arnhtikos. Synepws, den yparxoyn periqwria apofortishs kai apokatastashs enos dialogoy.

REPPAS: H apanthsh mas htan safhs. Den qa hqela, omws, na balete sto stoma twn ekproswpwn ths Ekklhsias fraseis toy typoy "den mas endiaferoyn ola ta alla qemata, mporoyme na ta syzhthsoyme argotera". Ola ta qemata exoyn endiaferon gia thn Politeia, pisteyw kai gia thn Ekklhsia kai einai wra na syzhthqoyn. Kaqe fora o dialogos, gia na einai oysiastikos kai na odhgei se sygkekrimena kai xeiropiasta apotelesmata, prepei na ginetai me analogh proetoimasia kai na einai domhmenos kai diarqrwmenos gia na odhghqoyme se kapoia apotelesmata, se lyseis twn problhmatwn poy qa apasxolhsoyn aytoys poy qa syzhthsoyn ta sygkekrimena qemata. Pisteyw, loipon, pws yparxei pedio gia syzhthsh, epikoinwnia, antallagh apocewn, synapofash kai koinh drash. Den yparxei periqwrio, giati to qema den prosferetai gia syzhthsh, oson afora tis syzhthseis gia tis taytothtes, giati antilambaneste oti to qema ayto exei kleisei. Idiws, meta thn apofash toy StE. Kanena politiko komma, idiws mia kybernhsh, den mporei, meta apo mia tetoia apofash, oysiastikws na paranomhsei. Na parabei, dhladh, ayto poy to Anwtato Dioikhtiko Dikasthrio ths xwras exei apofasisei kai poy einai symfwno me tis arxes gia thn prostasia twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn kai to Syntagma ths xwras, to opoio prepei oloi na sebomaste kai na throyme sthn prajh.

MIXAHL: Ti perimenei h kybernhsh apo th synanthsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton k. Xristodoylo;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den anamenei kati apo th synanthsh ayth, doqentos oti h kybernhsh exei oristikopoihsei th qesh ths gia to qema ayto. Ara, opoiodhpote kai an einai to periexomeno ths syzhthshs, den qa ephreasei th qesh kai thn politikh ths kybernhshs. Kata ta alla, den einai dynato na sxoliasoyme mia syzhthsh, h opoia akoma den exei ginei kai den gnwrizoyme kan to periexomeno ths. Kai bebaiws, den einai dynato na sxoliazoyme tis drasthriothtes toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

KOYIN: Tote, an paroyme ayta ta dedomena poy exete pei, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti h Ekklhsia epeleje ayth th xronikh sygkyria gia na anakoinwsei ta apotelesmata ayths ths sylloghs ypografwn; Yparxei kapoios logos; Exei, kata kapoio tropo, sxoliastei, alla oxi amesa apo thn kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Ayto afora thn Ekklhsia. Pisteyoyme oti einai atyxhs h epilogh ths Ekklhsias na epidoqei se mia prospaqeia sygkentrwshs ypografwn apo Ellhnes polites. Gnwrizete oti osoi eimaste Xristianoi Orqodojoi exoyme tis qrhskeytikes pepoiqhseis mas. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti h stash poy throyme sto analogo qema, prepei na ekfrazetai me thn ypografh enos keimenoy, symfwna me ayto poy proteine stoys Ellhnes polites h Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas. Exoyme mia diaforetikh qesh. To qema, omws, poy apotelese kai antikeimeno ayths ths diapalhs einai to qema twn astynomikwn deltiwn anagnwrishs twn politwn, twn taytothtwn. To qema ayto einai apokleistikhs armodiothtas ths Politeias se ola ta sygxrona krath toy kosmoy kai sthn Ellada. To qema, loipon, ayto poy einai apokleistikhs armodiothtas ths Politeias, to antimetwpise oristika kai telesidika h kybernhsh, ths opoias h qesh einai gnwsth. Den yparxei, loipon, periqwrio gia peraiterw syzhthsh. To qema ayto den prosferetai kan gia syzhthsh. Kai se teleytaia analysh, den einai dynaton h sxesh Politeias-Ekklhsias na monopwleitai apo to qema ayto, thn wra poy alla poly shmantika qemata qa prepei na mas apasxolhsoyn. Gia mia tetoia synergasia -epanalambanw- eimaste anoiktoi.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Gnwrizete oti briskomaste mprosta se ena neo kyklo synomiliwn gia to Kypriako. Qa gnwrizete, epishs, oti o Raoyf Ntenktas, me dhlwseis toy ston kypriako Typo, apeilei oti stis synanthseis toy me Anan kai Ferxoigken qa apaithsei anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys toy kai oti qa prepei na einai isotimos synomilhths toy k. Klhridh. Epishs, o Ntenktas gia prwth fora apeilei oti qa prosfygei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, prokeimenoy na akyrwsei thn entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy. Qa hqela na kanete ena sxolio.

REPPAS: H poreia ths Kyproy pros thn E.E. einai mh anastrecimh. Exei apofasisei gi` ayto h E.E. kai exei kanei kat` epanalhch safh th qesh ths. Oi apeiles toy k. Ntenktas einai ena fainomeno poy syxna ekdhlwnetai. Den einai prwtotypo gia ton k. Ntenktas na apeilei. Oi epinohseis toy pisteyw oti den bohqoyn ton idio. Antiqetws ton ekqetoyn, giati h Dieqnhs Koinothta gnwrizei poly kala oti aytos einai o apokleistikos ypeyqynos gia to oti den proxwroyn oi synomilies gia to kypriako zhthma. H kypriakh kybernhsh xeirizetai ypeyqyna to qema ayto. Pisteyoyme oti o OHE kai h E.E. oi megaloi aytoi organismoi, kaqenas gia ta dika toy qemata, exoyn antilhfqei oti o ajiopistos synomilhths toys sthn Kypro einai h kybernhsh ypo ton k. Klhridh, h opoia exei kanei oles tis endedeigmenes energeies, wste h Kypros na ginei melos ths E.E., opws dikaioytai kai prepei na ginei sto problepto mellon kai gia na dei, epiteloys, na lynetai to politiko problhma poy th mastizei epi polla xronia. Einai ypokritiko, stis meres mas, na antimetwpizoyme diafores perifereiakes kriseis kai se ena meizon problhma, opws einai to problhma ths katoxhs se ena kratos kyriarxo, melos toy OHE, enw to problhma ayto einai dedomeno epi tosa polla xronia, na mh dinoyme thn aparaithth shmasia, wste ta apotelesmata twn prospaqeiwn mas na einai toso emfanh, oso apaitoyn h Istoria kai oi kairoi.

KOTARIDHS: O k. Prwtopappas, shmera sto radiofwno toy ANTENA, ekane logo gia to deytero tmhma ths meleths twn arqrwn gia to Asfalistiko, poy afora toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Ekane logo gia ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias, thn katarghsh twn diatajewn gia tis gynaikes kai genika allagh sto tropo syntajiodothshs. Exete kapoio sxolio ep aytoy;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei, kat epanalhch, kanei safh th qesh mas oti epidiwkoyme oysiastikh lysh sto asfalistiko zhthma. Einai ena meizon zhthma, apasxolei sxedon to synolo ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Qa prepei na to xeiristoyme me eyqynh. Anamenoyme th Diaskech ths GSEE, peri ta mesa Septembrioy, gia ayto to qema. Exoyme pei oti amesws meta apo ayth th diaskech, afoy melethsoyme ta porismata ths, eimaste etoimoi na proxwrhsoyme se ena neo kyklo oysiastikwn syzhthsewn gia thn anazhthsh lyshs epi toy asfalistikoy zhthmatos me toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn. H kybernhsh qa kinhqei sto plaisio ths apofashs poy elabe h Kentrikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos gia to qema ayto. Exei oristei ena plaisio. To plaisio ayto pisteyoyme oti dinei ikanopoihtikh, qetikh apanthsh sta diafora problhmata, ta opoia proekycan thn prohgoymenh periodo, kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn toy asfalistikoy zhthmatos. Paramenoyme sth qesh ayth.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean apo tis dhlwseis poy exei kanei prosfata o Arxiepiskopos kai gia ta politika pragmata kai gia tis ejelijeis, opws kai gia to Synedrio toy PASOK, blepete mia prospaqeia apo thn pleyra ths hgesias ths Ekklhsias na plhgei to kyros kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai ths kybernhshs. Giati to lew ayto: Giati polla koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK exoyn syndesei to qema twn dhlwsewn toy Arxiepiskopoy kai oysiastika blepoyn ena antipoliteytiko metwpo, me aformh to qema twn taytothtwn, me ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Qelw na jerw, ean symmerizeste aytes tis apoceis.

REPPAS: H prwtoboylia ths Ekklhsias gia th sygkentrwsh ypografwn twn pistwn, pisteyoyme oti exei, metajy twn allwn, ej antikeimenoy, kai ena dixastiko xarakthra. Ayto einai to teleytaio poy exei anagkh o topos, ayth thn periodo. Kata ta alla, h Ekklhsia ``paizei en oy paiktois''. Einai ena qema gia to opoio h Politeia exei armodiothta kai epi toy opoioy exei labei apofash, h opoia brisketai se apolyth armonia me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy kratoys. H apofash ayth qa eprepe na ginetai sebasth kai na threitai apo oloys. Lypoymaste, giati kapoioi prospaqoyn, mesw ths sygxyshs poy prowqoyn, na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis, prokeimenoy etsi na plhjoyn isws kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Alla, ayto to opoio prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn kai o kaqe poliths jexwrista, einai oti tetoioy eidoys prospaqeies, an yparxoyn, den strefontai monon enantion toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs, strefontai enantion olwn twn politikwn, olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, olwn twn politikwn arxhgwn. Strefontai enantion toy Syntagmatos kai ths dhmokratika organwmenhs kai dhmokratika leitoyrgoysas politeias mas. Qa prepei, loipon, na meinoyme sthn arxh, oti h epikoinwnia, h synergasia qa einai gonimh, epoikodomhtikh, diarkhs kai plhrhs, otan ginetai sth bash twn diakritwn rolwn Politeias-Ekklhsias, sth bash diakritwn rolwn poy prepei na ginontai amoibaiws sebastoi.

ANTYPAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos analabei prwtoboylia kykloy epafwn me ta koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs, se o,ti afora ayto to periqwrio beltiwshs twn politikwn poy yparxei panta kai...

REPPAS: Sas anakoinwsa to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis epomenes hmeres. Den exw na anakoinwsw kati allo. Ej oswn gnwrizw, alles synanthseis den perilambanontai sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Allwste, ayth thn wra, synedriazei kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Sto organo ayto gnwrizete oti symmetexoyn ta pio shmantika, isws, kybernhtika stelexh. Ara, ayth h syzhthsh einai dedomenh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h sygkentrwsh ypografwn apo thn Ekklhsia eixe dixastiko apotelesma. Mporeite na moy peite h apofash ths kybernhshs gia th mh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos den eixe dixastiko apotelesma;

REPPAS: Eipa, ej antikeimenoy, oti h kinhsh ayth eixe kai ena dixastiko xarakthra. Paramenw sth sygkekrimenh qesh poy diatypwsa. Eipa oti ki emeis eimaste Xristianoi Orqodojoi kai fainetai oti erxomaste se mia antiparaqesh me ekeinoys oi opoioi ypegracan, enw emeis den ypogracame. Ayto den qa eprepe na symbei. H Politeia, h kybernhsh elabe mia apofash. Chfisthke nomos apo thn ellhnikh Boylh. To StE exei ekdwsei mia poly shmantikh apofash. Se teleytaia analysh, den prepei na diafeygei apo kanenan, oti sthn Ellada mas apasxolhse kai mas apasxolei akomh, dystyxws, ena qema to opoio den antimetwpizei opoiadhpote allh sygxronh koinwnia. Giati, sta qemata twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn den yparxei periqwrio gia na isxysei o kanonas ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. Se kaqe dhmokratikh koinwnia ginontai sebasta ta dikaiwmata kai ths mikrhs, ths elaxisths meiochfias, otan miloyme gia ta atomika dikaiwmata twn politwn. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Kanw ena sxolio, anaferomenos se ena arqro poy diabasa gia to qema ayto. Enas shmantikos arqrografos epainei thn apofash ths meiochfias toy StE. Kanei mneia ths qeshs ths meiochfias sto StE poy ekdikase ayth thn ypoqesh, legontas pws einai mia para poly shmantikh qesh. Prosetairizetai th qesh ths meiochfias kai agnoei thn pleiochfia toy dikasthrioy poy elabe th sygkekrimenh apofash. Qa hqela na apofygoyme ola ayta ta ``paixnidia entypwsewn'' kai na meinoyme sthn oysia twn qematwn. Pisteyoyme oti to qema ayto den prepei na apasxolei pleon thn ellhnikh koinwnia, giati h ellhnikh koinwnia prepei na koitajei mprosta. H eqnikh taytothta mas einai kala katoxyrwmenh, oso h Ellada einai isxyrh kai anaptyssetai, oso o ellhnikos laos einai parwn stis ejelijeis, oso h fwnh toy, h qelhsh toy, h boylhsh toy einai isxyrh. Kai ayth einai poy kaqorizei thn poreia ths xwras sto mellon. O ellhnikos laos eklegei tis kybernhseis kai toys kybernhtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh epikaleiste synexeia to StE, to erwthma, h prosfygh poy teqhke sto StE, elege ean einai ypoxrewtikh h anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes. Etsi htan h prosfygh poy ekanan kai gi ayto bghke h apofash poy leei oti den einai ypoxrewtikh. To erwthma htan ayto pantws.

REPPAS: To StE ekrine oti einai paranomh h proairetikh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos stis taytothtes. Emeis exoyme parei jekaqarh qesh. Lypoymai, giati meta apo ayth thn apofash toy StE, alla kommata, idiws to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apofeygoyn na topoqethqoyn epi toy qematos aytoy, deixnontas, gia mia akomh fora, oti kai programmatos steroyntai kai akoloyqoyn mia politikh kairoskopismoy gia profaneis logoys. Pragma poy einai aneyqyno kai aparadekto se mia sygxronh koinwnia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi kainoyrgies taytothtes me thn anagrafh ths iqageneias pote qa einai etoimes;

REPPAS: Ginontai oi aparaithtes proergasies, prokeimenoy kai ayth h dioikhtikh prajh na efarmostei symfwna me ta osa problepei o nomos kai h apofash toy StE.

Sas eyxaristw.


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