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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-10-04

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Oktwbrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOYATAR: Qelw na rwthsw ean exoyme endeijeis gia to ti zhthse h Amerikh apo thn Ellada kai ti qa dwsei, sto plaisio ths energopoihshs toy arqroy 5. Kai deyterh erwthsh, pws krinete ta stoixeia peri emplokhs toy Mpin Lanten poy koinopoihqhkan xqes, nomizw, apo thn amerikanikh pleyra;

REPPAS: Oson afora ta stoixeia ta opoia edwse o ekproswpos ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs, sto plaisio ths syzhthshs poy egine metajy twn monimwn antiproswpwn toy NATO stis Bryjelles, alla kai ta stoixeia ta opoia anaferqhkan sthn enhmerwsh se dimeres epipedo, ajiologoyntai, parallhlws, apo oles ths xwres ths Symmaxias. Ta stoixeia ayta odhgoyn se ena symperasma: Oti me thn tromokratikh epiqesh poy egine stis HPA sxetizetai h sygkekrimenh tromokratikh organwsh "Al Kainta", o hgeths ths kai ta stelexh ths.

Oson afora twra th syzhthsh poy ginetai sto plaisio toy NATO gia thn energopoihsh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy peri amoibaias syndromhs, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme th syllogikh aytoamyna meta apo epiqesh apo ejwterikh phgh, oles oi xwres -afoy exoyn bgalei koina symperasmata- exoyn apofasisei na prosferoyn tis aparaithtes dieykolynseis, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqei ayto to isxyro metwpo katapolemhshs kai ejaleichs ths tromokratias. Ayta problepontai stoys kanonismoys toy NATO, exoyn isxysei se analoges periptwseis sto parelqon, to idio qa symbei kai twra.

MIXAHL: Se proektash ths erwthshs ths k. Mpoyatar -profanws den mporeite na dhmosiopoihsete ayta ta stoixeia- qelw na rwthsw an politika kommata kai politikes dynameis qelhsoyn na enhmerwqoyn gi ayta ta stoixeia, h kybernhsh einai proqymh na toys enhmerwsei;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei dhlwsei, kat epanalhch, oti h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn einai sth diaqesh twn politikwn kommatwn, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei gia otidhpote exei sxesh me thn ejwterikh politikh poy akoloyqei h xwra mas. H enhmerwsh ayth ginetai pantote me ypeyqyno tropo kai me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eidame mia apofash prosfath ths EPAE -einai prwtakoysth- se o,ti afora ta metadidomena sto xwro toy aqlhtismoy. Leei, metajy allwn, oti pleon stis synenteyjeis Typoy ta kanalia den mporoyn na mpainoyn mesa, na exoyn eikona, para mono na didontai "poyl" apo ena sygkekrimeno kanali. Einai ayth pragmatika enhmerwsh, opws mporoyme na thn exoyme; Dhladh, pleon me to stagonometro h enhmerwsh gia oloys toys ypoloipoys; Pws to sxoliazete ayto kai ti metra protiqeste na parete;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti apesteila epistolh sthn hgesia ths Enwshs Podosfairikwn Anwnymwn Etaireiwn, opoy anaferw tis sxetikes diatajeis toy nomoy 2725/99 kai tis synafeis diatajeis twn nomwn 2328 kai 2644. Epishs kanw mneia toy pneymatos kai toy grammatos toy Syntagmatos, poy epiballei oi polites na exoyn plhrh enhmerwsh gia qemata ta opoia toys aforoyn kai toys endiaferoyn. Sto plaisio ayto qa prepei na kinhqei kai h EPAE. Exoyme th dynatothta na antimetwpisoyme ayto to problhma poy fainetai oti dhmioyrghqhke kai pisteyw pws einai pros to symferon olwn na doqei h dynatothta apo th mia na ginoyn sebastes oi symfwnies twn swmateiwn me toys thleoptikoys staqmoys kai apo thn allh oi thleoptikoi, alla kai oi radiofwnikoi staqmoi na exoyn th dynatothta na prosferoyn sto akroathrio toys th metadosh gegonotwn poy prokaloyn meizon endiaferon. Pisteyw oti oi diatajeis apoteloyn th xrysh tomh kai qa prepei aytes na efarmostoyn, na ginoyn sebastes. Ayto anaferei kai h sygkekrimenh epistolh poy esteila shmera to prwi.

PITARAS: Prin apo ligh wra o k. Mhtsotakhs me nees dhlwseis, anaforika me to qema toy Kthmatologioy eipe pws h Ellada einai h monh xwra mazi me thn Albania poy den exei Kthmatologio kai malista dieblece pws ayth h ypoqesh odeyei pros mia nea peripeteia. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs ws Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras thn periodo poy kybernhse h N.D. den epraje to paramikro, prokeimenoy h xwra na balei se kinhsh tis diadikasies gia na apokthsei Kthmatologio. Pragmati, eimaste h xwra ths Eyrwphs -h geitonikh Albania einai mia akomh eyrwpaikh xwra- poy den diaqetei Kthmatologio. Ti ekane h N.D. otan kybernhse; Asxolhqhke kaqoloy me ayto to qema; H kybernhsh mas asxolhqhke, gia prwth fora, to 1994. Kai h N.D. olh ayth thn periodo systhmatika yponomeyei thn kybernhtikh prospaqeia gia na syntajoyme ena eqniko Kthmatologio. To idio ekane, allwste, kai gia alla megala erga, opws einai to METRO sthn Aqhna, to dieqnes aerodromio "EL. BENIZELOS". H N.D. den mporei na krycei thn enoxh emplokh ths se mia ypoqesh, h opoia exei eqnikh shmasia. H N.D. exei isxyrismoys poy einai ewloi kai diatypwnei qeseis aneyqynes. Ftanei, malista, sto shmeio na tymbwryxei, kanontas anafores sth mnhmh toy aeimnhstoy Giwrgoy Gennhmata me prosblhtiko tropo, otan poly kala gnwrizei oti h stash ths odhgei eyqews sto symperasma pws symmetexei sthn prospaqeia diaforwn idiwtikwn paragontwn, wste to Kthmatologio poy exei ena dhmosio xarakthra, na ton apwlesei kai na perasei sta idiwtika symferonta. Ta erwthmata poy exei qesei o k. Laliwths oydeis akomh ta exei apanthsei. Oloi omws, epeidh akribws den dinontai aytes oi peistikes apanthseis, mporoyme na bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas. H N.D. exei anakalycei kai diaqetei pleon -dystyxws gia to dhmosio symferon- "koitasmata lasphs". Ayto einai kai to pedio paragwghs ths politikhs ths, apo ekei antlei tis qeseis kai toys isxyrismoys ths. Kai lypoymaste gi ayto.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei, omws, k. Ypoyrge, se ekkremothta kai h ypoqesh gia thn kratikh etaireia DEKA kai thn enasxolhsh ths me to Xrhmatisthrio kai to eggrafo Asprogeraka poy anaferetai se ayth thn ypoqesh. H kybernhsh ti qa kanei gia na proxwrhsei ayth h ypoqesh se mia diadikasia politikhs kai dikastikhs epilyshs;

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme diatypwsei me safhneia th qesh mas. H N.D. den exei deijei mexri twra oti analambanei tis eyqynes ths. Dhmioyrghse gyrw apo ayto to qema ena terastio qorybo, eblace th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai ta symferonta twn ependytwn, epixeirwntas etsi na plhjei thn kybernhsh. H N.D. prepei na analabei, estw kai twra, tis eyqynes ths. Thn kaloyme -an qelete thn prokaloyme- na analabei tis sxetikes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy gia mia akomh fora na parei apostomwtikh apanthsh, gia na epibebaiwqei kai pali poso aneyqynh einai h stash kai h politikh ths.

GARGALAKOS: Ena deytero qema: Synexizetai se mia eyaisqhth sygkyria h apergia twn diplwmatwn. Qa kanei kati h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes se ayto. Eipa oti oi diplwmatikoi einai stelexh mias yphresias poy exei neyralgiko rolo na diadramatisei. Qewroyme oti h kybernhsh mexri twra exei ejantlhsei tis dynatothtes ths gia na antimetwpisei qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tis apodoxes toys. Den mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme tetoioy eidoys qemata gia to 2001. Asfalws, sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy jekina to Noembrio gia to neo misqologio, qa prepei na doyme synolika pws qa antimetwpisoyme ta sxetika qemata kai ayto poy afora ta diplwmatika stelexh. Pisteyw pws h apergia ayth thn periodo einai anepikairh. Apo ekei kai pera sebomaste ton idiaitero kai krisimo rolo poy exoyn oi diplwmatikoi, ta stelexh ayth ths shmantikhs yphresias. Den mporoyme omws na syzhtoyme gia otidhpote afora tis apodoxes toys, thn allagh dhladh toy kaqestwtos twn apodoxwn toys gia to 2001.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th dhmoskophsh ths "METRON ANALYSIS" poy paroysiase xqes o "ANT1" kai h opoia deixnei th N.D. na prohgeitai kata eji monades, alla yparxei kapoia diaforopoihsh. Einai mprosta o k. Shmiths ws o katallhloteros Prwqypoyrgos kai exei gia ligo meiwqei h parastash nikhs.

REPPAS: Sto plaisio mias tetraetoys qhteias polles dhmoskophseis qa ginoyn. H eklogikh anametrhsh, omws, einai mia. Kai h eklogikh anametrhsh einai ayth poy anadeiknyei thn kybernhsh toy topoy. Gnwrizete poia einai h poiotikh diafora metajy mias dhmoskophshs kai ths eklogikhs anametrhshs. Sto plaisio mias metrhshs o poliths exei th dynatothta na diatypwsei mia qesh poy den ton desmeyei. Thn epomenh stigmh, sto plaisio mias allhs dhmoskophshs, mporei na diatypwsei mia diaforetikh qesh, xwris ayto na exei opoiadhpote epiptwsh sth zwh toy. Sto plaisio, omws, mias eklogikhs anametrhshs, o poliths dinei thn chfo toy kai desmeyetai gia mia tetraetia. H epilogh toy exei makroproqesmes synepeies, gi ayto th staqmizei me diaforetiko tropo. Pisteyoyme, loipon, oti h prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh, otan oloklhrwqei me epityxia, qa anagnwristei apo ton ellhniko lao kai qa exoyme pali thn chfo toy thn wra ths kalphs. Ola ta stoixeia, sto plaisio twn dhmoskophsewn poy dhmosieythkan teleytaia, deixnoyn oti to PASOK kai h kybernhsh exoyn thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn, oti oi politikes ejelijeis diamorfwnontai kai qa diamorfwnontai sto mellon akomh pio entona, akomh pio xarakthristika, apo tis epiloges poy qa kanei h Kybernhsh kai to PASOK. Me ayth thn ennoia pisteyoyme oti diathroyme ton hgemoniko rolo mas sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras.

GKROMAN: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos eipe, xqes, oti h energopoihsh toy arqroy 5 sto plaisio toy NATO den einai mia "leykh epitagh" kai oti sthn epomenh synanthsh twn antiproswpwn toy NATO qa teqoyn sklhres erwthseis apo oles tis xwres, sxetika me to ti dieykolynseis qa parexoyn stis HPA. Hqela na rwthsw, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ti skopeyei na rwthsei, sto NATO, prin dwsei aytes tis dieykolynseis, poy eipate, stis HPA;

REPPAS: H xwra mas einai isotimo melos ayths ths Symmaxias. Mazi me tis alles xwres syzhtoyme kai synapofasizoyme gia ta sxetika qemata. H energopoihsh toy arqroy 5, poy apotelei hdh gegonos, odhgei sthn analhch orismenwn prwtoboyliwn. Sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn qa ejeidikeyqei o tropos me ton opoio kaqe xwra mporei na parei meros se aythn thn ekstrateia, th megalh epixeirhsh ths dieqnoys koinothtas enantion ths tromokratias. Ayto poy mporoyme na poyme twra -giati ayto einai to dedomeno- einai toyto: H xwra mas kai oles oi alles xwres ths Symmaxias exoyn prosferqei na dwsoyn tis dieykolynseis ekeines poy einai aparaithtes gia na epityxoyme ton epidiwkomeno skopo. Ola ta alla qemata stis leptomereies toys -texnikes, organwtikes- qa syzhthqoyn thn epomenh periodo. Emeis eimaste parontes se ayth th syzhthsh kai asfalws qa diatypwsoyme tis apoceis mas, me bash to eqniko symferon kai to symferon ths Symmaxias. Giati toso to eqniko symferon, oso kai to symferon ths Symmaxias ypagoreyei mia koinh stash apenanti sthn tromokratia, h opoia einai mastiga poy prepei na ejaleifqei.

KOYIN: Sto idio qema: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, meta apo thn ejetash twn stoixeiwn poy sas doqhkan xqes kai se dimeres epipedo, eiste ikanopoihmenoi me ta stoixeia poy sas edwsan; Kai ena paremferes erwthma: Xqes, entopisthkan 200 ews 300 laqrometanastes. Fobatai h kybernhsh oti exei arxisei ayth h megalh ejodos, ayto poy ki eseis eixate anaferei, ayto to megalo prosfygiko kyma; H kybernhsh lambanei metra gi ayto;

REPPAS: H apanthsh moy sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas einai ayth poy edwsa molis prin. Emeis symmetexoyme se aytes tis syzhthseis. Ayto, apo mono toy, shmainei oti eimaste sto idio mhkos kymatos me tis alles xwres ths Symmaxias. Bebaiws, h ejeidikeysh toy dikoy mas roloy apotelei antikeimeno, to opoio qa mas apasxolhsei thn epomenh periodo, pantote sto plaisio leitoyrgias ths Symmaxias, symfwna me to symferon ths kai panw apo ola symfwna me to eqniko mas symferon.

Pragmati, h entash ths teleytaias periodoy exei dhmioyrghsei nees synqhkes, oson afora kai to kyma ths laqrometanasteyshs pros th xwra mas. Emeis, me tis dynameis toy Limenikoy Swmatos, kyriws me ta peripolika ploia poy diaqetei, me th bohqeia twn dynamewn toy Polemikoy Naytikoy epithroyme ta qalassia synora mas. Ayth einai epiponh diadikasia, poy gia na katastei plhrws apotelesmatikh prepei na symplhrwnetai apo draseis poy analambanei kai h allh pleyra sto Aigaio, h Toyrkia, h opoia prepei na perifroyrei ta synora ths, wste na mhn ejerxontai twn synorwn ths polites apo alles xwres, anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh.

Ta peristatika twn teleytaiwn hmerwn einai xarakthristika. Pragmati, xqes kai proxqes, se perioxes ths xwras, konta sthn Attikh, entopisthke shmantikos ariqmos laqrometanastwn. Hdh, oi omades aytes briskontai ston Peiraia, prokeimenoy na prowqhqoyn ston Eisaggelea, na apaggelqoyn oi sxetikes kathgories kai sth synexeia na analabei h EL.AS th diaxeirish aytoy toy qematos.

Oson afora to peristatiko poy einai shmera se ejelijh, prepei na sas pw oti apo xqes, ena ploio me toyrkikh shmaia kinhqhke sta dieqnh ydata, anoixta ths Nisyroy. Parakoloyqeitai stena apo ploia toy Limenikoy Swmatos. Argotera, sthn parakoloyqhsh ayth entaxqhke kai mia kanonioforos toy Polemikoy Naytikoy h ``ORMH''. Sth synexeia -giati h diadikasia ayth einai se ejelijh, edw kai polles wres, apo xqes to meshmeri- me thn parakoloyqhsh twn dikwn mas ploiwn den katesth dynato -an ayto epediwke den to gnwrizoyme- to jeno ploio na eiselqei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Den exei eiselqei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Kai plhroforoymaste oti aytes tis wres pleei notioanatolika ths Krhths. Emeis ejakoloyqoyme na perifroyroyme ta qalassia synora mas kai den qa epitrecoyme na eiselqei to ploio ayto sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Opws, epishs, analogh prospaqeia kataballoyme gia na apotrecoyme kai opoiodhpote allo ploio metaferei laqrometanastes kai exei skopo na eiselqei sthn Ellada.

Ta synora froyroyntai, ayto to mhnyma prepei na dwsoyme. Exoyme kanei shmantikh beltiwsh toy ejoplismoy mas, prokeimenoy na perifroyrhsoyme ta qalassia synora mas. Exoyme qetika apotelesmata, alla, bebaiws, to kyma ths laqrometanasteyshs diogkwnetai, logw kai twn synqhkwn ths teleytaias periodoy, gegonos poy mas kanei pio prosektikoys. Enteinoyme synexws tis prospaqeies mas.

MPOYATAR: Eipate oti den qa epitrecete thn eisodo aytoy toy ploioy sta ellhnika xwrika ydata. Exoyn eidopoihqei oi italikes arxes, giati mallon qa prokycei pali to senario poy paixqhke kai persi kai poy eixe diamartyrhqei...arketa entona h Rwmh.

REPPAS: Emeis den exoyme kamia tetoia epikoinwnia, giati den gnwrizoyme pros poia kateyqynsh pleei ayto to ploio. Ean qewrhqei oti ayto to ploio epidiwje na eiselqei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata, sas eipa oti ayto apetraph. Den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme -giati den exoyme epikoinwnia me ayto to ploio- poia einai h kateyqynsh toy.

ANANIADHS: Skeptetai na xarajei h ellhnikh kybernhsh mia nea politikh, mia politikh ypodoxhs twn oikonomikwn metanastwn, endexomenws kai me th sthrijh ths E.E.; Me dedomeno oti allazei pia entelws to klima; Aytoi oi anqrwpoi prospaqoyn na fygoyn kai einai ena problhma. Skeftetai na enisxysei thn arwgh ths h E.E. ...;

REPPAS: Asfalws yparxei stenh synergasia me thn E.E. Allwste, h Ellada metexei sth Synqhkh Sengken, poy orizei oti ta synora mas prepei na fylassontai, giati qewroyntai synora ayths ths megalhs oikogeneias twn xwrwn poy einai entagmenes sth Synqhkh Sengken. Kata ta alla, yparxei ena problhma: To problhma poiothtas, toy epipedoy zwhs anqrwpwn stis dikes toys xwres, poy toys odhgei sto na anazhthsoyn mia kalyterh tyxh se alles xwres, sthn Eyrwph h alloy. Emeis, ayto to qema, to exoyme biwsei poly kala, giati eimaste xwra ypodoxhs laqrometanastwn kai to antimetwpizoyme -qa moy epitrecete na pw- an kai plhttontai ta symferonta mas. Giati apasxoloyme polles dynameis, kataballoyme shmantikes dapanes gia na antimetwpisoyme ayto to problhma. Den einai aplh h lysh toy. Twra, poly perissotero, qa prepei na enteinoyme toys elegxoys, giati se aytes tis periodoys mporei parallhla me to kyma ths laqrometanasteyshs, na eiselqoyn kai sthn Ellada paragontes h stoixeia gia alloys skopoys. Ara, loipon, qa prepei na eimaste para poly prosektikoi. To problhma, oson afora to epipedo h thn poiothta zwhs twn politwn se diafores xwres, yparxei. Den antimetwpizetai, omws, me to na jerizwnontai apo tis esties toys aytoi oi anqrwpoi, anazhtwntas kalyterh tyxh se alles xwres, opws, sth prokeimenh periptwsh, sth dikh mas xwra.

KAPPOS: Me bash osa eipate prohgoymenws, qa hqela na moy peite ean h kybernhsh gnwrizei oti pragmati sxetizetai h ``AL KAINTA'' me ta tromokratika xtyphmata kai an mporoyn na exoyn prosbash sta stoixeia ayta ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Anarwtiemai, an qa yparjoyn anakoinwseis gia poio logo empleketai h Ellada se olh ayth thn istoria; Dedomenoy, epishs, oti ayta ta stoixeia einai apodeiktika. Den fantazomai na exoyn to xarakthra toy aporrhtoy....

REPPAS: Apanthsa sta erwthmata sas.

KAPPOS: Dhladh, gia na jeroyme, exoyn prosbash oi polites sta apodeiktika stoixeia, ta opoia exei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H ejwterikh politikh ginetai me sygkekrimenoys kanones, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme to eqniko symferon, na deijei h Ellada synepeia, antapokrinomenh stis ypoxrewseis poy exei ws melos mias megalhs Symmaxias. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn th dynatothta na ajiologoyn thn ejwterikh politikh poy askei h kybernhsh kai pisteyw oti ayto kanoyn. Epishs, ta politika kommata exoyn th dynatothta na enhmerwnontai se ychlo epipedo, poy toys epitrepei na throyn swsth politikh qesh. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete oti gia oles tis yphresies, idiaiterws ekeines poy askoyn neyralgiko rolo, yparxei ena plaisio mesa sto opoio prepei na kinhqoyn. Ayto einai gnwsto, den prokeitai na diarragei. Ektos ean qetete eseis qema na apoxwrhsei h Ellada apo to NATO, na allajei prosanatolismoys, na allajei symmaxies, opote qa miloyme pia, me bash ena allo plaisio. Omws, to plaisio anaforas gia thn Ellada kai toys Ellhnes einai dedomeno kai den to amfisbhtei kaneis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate prohgoymenws oti froyroyntai ta synora mas kai oti konta sthn Attikh, entopisthkan omades laqrometanastwn. Pws froyroyntai; Apo poy perasan; Sthn Attikh efqasan, den efqasan se kapoio nhsi.

REPPAS: Exw pei kai alles fores -kai to epanelaba kai shmera- oti ta apotelesmata den einai pantote ayta ta opoia epiqymoyme, ean den yparxei synergasia kai apo thn allh pleyra. Hmoyn safhs se ayto, giati to qema exei teqei, kat epanalhch, kai se dimeres epipedo. Emeis apo th dikh mas pleyra, exoyme petyxei ayth th metanasteytikh piesh, h opoia exei entaqei thn teleytaia periodo, na thn antimetwpizoyme apotelesmatika. Diaforetika o ariqmos twn laqrometanastwn qa htan poly megalyteros. Gia paradeigma anaferw ayto to ploio to opoio pleei notioanatolika ths Krhths kai opws fainetai metaferei kapoies ekatontades anqrwpwn. Den toy exei epitrapei h eisodos toy sth xwra mas, opws kai se alles omades laqrometanastwn den exei doqei ayth th dynatothta. Asfalws, ta qalassia synora mas einai ektetamena, alla froyroyntai. Exoyme beltiwsei ton ejoplismo mas, h epidosh mas einai poly kalyterh se ayto ton tomea, alla pantote yparxoyn kai aytes oi ejaireseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, epeidh entopisthke ena karabi froyroyntai ta synora; Ayto qelete na mas peite;

REPPAS: Pragmati froyroyntai ta synora mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai pws fqanoyn sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Para to oti dhmioyrgei problhma sth xwra mas, mh qelete na paijete me ton pono aytwn twn anqrwpwn, poy me kindyno ths zwhs toys -poly perissotero otan miloyme gia anqrwpoys megalhs hlikias h gia mikra paidia, gnwrizete poso megaloys kindynoys diatrexoyn- epibibazontai se ploia ta opoia syxna den diasfalizoyn mia kanonikh kai xwris kindynoys pleysh, kai anazhtwntas mia kalyterh tyxh, odhgoyntai sto qanato, giati symbainei kai ayto kai to gnwrizete. Mh qelete na paijete me ton pono aytwn twn anqrwpwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qelete na moy peite oti toys afhnete na perasoyn.

REPPAS: Qelw na pw, oti h Ellada -to stoixeio ayto to anefera ki alles fores- exei ektetamena qalassia synora. To mhkos ths aktogrammhs mas, opws sas exw pei, fqanei ta 18 xiliades xiliometra. Einai molis 2000 xiliometra mikroterh apo thn aktogrammh oloklhrhs ths afrikanikhs hpeiroy. Antilambaneste poso megalo einai to ergo poy prepei na kanoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ep aytoy: Den ypociazeste oti mporei skopimws h Toyrkia na toys stelnei oloys aytoys pros ta edw;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti ayto ofeiletai se logoys adynamias froyrhshs kai oxi se logoys skopimothtas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xqes o k. Laliwths kai eseis shmera, milhsate gia koitasmata lasphs kai o k. Laliwths milhse gia ypogeia ths Rhgillhs kai gia kapoion k. Kolwnh. O k. Kolwnhs politika poy anhkei, mhpws jerete;

REPPAS: Eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh sas. O k. Kolwnhs synergasthke sthn arxh me thn "Eyrwdynamikh Symboyleytikh", sthn opoia emfanisthke ws ptyxioyxos poy dieqete polloys akadhmaikoys titloys. Apodeixqhke oti ayto den antapokrinotan sthn alhqeia kai apolyqhke, diwxqhke. Sto enhmerwtiko shmeiwma poy exei dianeimei to YPEXWDE kai einai sth diaqesh sas, anaferontai ola ayta ta sxetika. O k. Kolwnhs, afoy, loipon, apokophke teleiws apo to Symboylo Diaxeirishs, apekthse epaggelmatikes sxeseis kai synergasies me allo melethtiko sxhma, mia jenh etairia, thn Rawmond Rudas , poy diekdikei kapoia erga sto plaisio syntajhs toy Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy. Emfanisthke ws martyras ths Rawmond Rudas sthn aithsh asfalistikwn metrwn kata ths "Kthmatologio A.E.". H aithsh aporrifqhke tote. Epishs, emfanisthke sthn etairia, se oles tis faseis toy diagwnismoy, gia to deytero kyrio programma meletwn toy Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy kai paroysiazotan se epitropes ajiologhshs kai enstasewn, synodeyontas stelexh kai ekproswpoys ths Rawmond Rudas. Prepei na sas pw oti h enstash ths Rawmond Rudas kai to periexomeno ths aithshs asfalistikwn metrwn kata ths "Kthmatologio A.E." htan taytoshmo me to periexomeno ths eperwthshs twn boyleytwn ths N.D., poy syzhthqhke sth Boylh stis 23 Oktwbrioy toy 2000. Epishs, emfanisthke ws ekproswpos ths etairias ayths sto diagwnismo toy OSE gia anaqesh meleths kthmatologioy, opws fainetai apo ta sygkekrimena eggrafa. O k. Kolwnhs, den exei milhsei kaqoloy mexri twra kai qa prepei na mas pei ti akribws symbainei. Einai o monos poy den exei pei tipota sxetiko. Fainetai oti, pragmati, eixe stenh synergasia, "yioqethqhke" apo th N.D. kai th Rhgillhs. Sth Boylh, osoi symmeteixan stis syzhthseis, me aformh erwthseis, eperwthseis ths N.D., eixan th dynatothta na diapistwsoyn oti synodeye toys boyleytes ths N.D., toys symboyleye, toys edine stoixeia h toys bohqoyse na exoyn mia sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh sthn anaptyjh twn epixeirhmatwn toys. Ola ayta, deixnoyn me ton kalytero tropo oti o k. Kolwnhs einai stena syndedemenos me th N.D. kai th Rhgillhs kai oti o rolos toy, kata thn politikh krish mas, einai yponomeytikos toy Kthmatologioy kai sygkekrimena ths epiloghs poy exoyme kanei, to Eqniko Kthmatologio na diathrhsei to dhmosio xarakthra poy exei shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eipate poy anhkei politika o k. Kolwnhs. Ayto rwthsa.

REPPAS: Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti synergazetai me th Rawmond Rudas , h opoia synergazetai me th N.D.. O k. Kolwnhs, syxna-pykna synergazetai me ta stelexh ths N.D. To ti chfizei kaqenas den to gnwrizw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kolwnhs einai melos ths topikhs organwshs 1 toy PASOK stoy Papagoy;

REPPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Ta stoixeia poy anefera, an mporei kapoios as ta amfisbhthsei. Einai gnwsto oti o k. Kolwnhs, opws eipe kai o armodios ypoyrgos, exei stenh epixeirhmatikh, politikh sxesh me th N.D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Htan synergaths toy k. Nteka; Htan symmetoxoi sthn etairia "Eyrwdynamikh"; Exei metoxes;

REPPAS: Me anoikto diagwnismo poy egine to 1996, h etairia "Eyrwdynamikh Symboyleytikh", mazi me alloys, anelabe, me thn idiothta toy symboyloy diaxeirishs, ena tmhma aytoy toy ergoy. Pragmati, ergasthke ekei o k. Kolwnhs gia mia periodo, emfanizomenos ws gnwsths toy antikeimenoy, oti diaqetei titloys kai ptyxia, ta opoia apodeixqhke oti den dieqete, me apotelesma na apolyqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai metoxos ths etairias.

REPPAS: Afoy den to gnwrizw, den to apokleiw. Alla, ayto den shmainei tipota. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai oti o k. Kolwnhs apokophke, diwxqhke apo thn etairia ayth kai sth synexeia, ws ekproswpos ths Rawmond Rudas, h opoia den qelei to Eqniko Kthmatologio na diathrhsei to dhmosio xarakthra toy, synergazetai me th N.D., dinontas "grammh" stoys boyleytes ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh, qa apanthsei sth Boylh gia th diaplokh;

REPPAS: Symfwna me ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs, qa exw thn timh kai th xara na apanthsw, toso ston k. Paylopoylo, oso kai ston k. Mano, sto plaisio twn ayrianwn erwthsewn poy qa syzhthqoyn ekei. Prepei na sas pw, omws, giati dhmioyrgeitai mia ceydhs entypwsh, oti to isxyon nomiko plaisio ths xwras einai pio aysthro apo ayto poy perigrafei to neo Syntagma. To neo Syntagma, gnwrizete oti anaferetai sto basiko metoxo gia ton opoio qa prepei na qewroyntai asymbibastes kapoies drasthriothtes. To isxyon nomiko plaisio anaferetai ston aplo kai oxi to basiko metoxo. Ara, loipon, ayta ta opoia kai esas paraplanoyn kai emfanizontai ws kinhseis enantion ths diaplokhs, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti isws -kai kalw na to ereynhsete- kinoyntai se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh;

REPPAS: Eipa oti qa apanthsw egw. To problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs.

KOYIN: Hqela mia dieykrinish se ayto poy mas eipate prin, gia to ploio. Eipate oti den qa epitrecoyme thn eisodo toy;

REPPAS: Se kanena den epitrepoyme thn eisodo sth xwra mas. Ta synora ths xwras froyroyntai.

MPOYATAR: Mia erwthsh gia to qema ths Olympiakhs. Dedomenhs ths katastashs poy epikratei me tis aeroporikes etairies, qa hqela na moy peite an yparxei kapoios fobos ths kybernhshs gia "nayagio" ths idiwtikopoihshs kai twn synomiliwn kai an skeptetai kapoia metra gia na kleisei pio grhgora h symfwnia me thn AXON, endexomenws. Poy briskomaste;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete oti h poreia idiwtikopoihshs ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias apotelei ametaklhth apofash mas. H diadikasia ayth brisketai se mia poly lepth fash. H periodos ayth den prosferetai gia anakoinwseis. Qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia, me xeirismoys poy qa einai pros to symferon ths O.A. Moy dinete thn eykairia me thn erwthsh sas na pw oti ayth thn krisimh periodo, diabibazetai sth Boylh apo ton armodio eisaggelea -kai einai ypoxrewmenos na to kanei ayto- mia mhnythria anafora stelexwn ths O.A. poy proskeintai sth N.D. Einai gnwsto ayto. Antilambaneste oti ayto blaptei ta symferonta ths O.A. Einai mia akomh xronikh symptwsh! H mhnythria ayth anafora eixe katateqei to kalokairi toy 2000, enantion toy prohgoymenoy ypoyrgoy Metaforwn k. Mantelh kai diabibasthke sth Boylh to kalokairi toy 2001, meta apo enan oloklhro xrono, kai anakoinwnetai ayth thn krisimh stigmh. Ta symperasmata dika sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kaklamanhs pote thn phre;

REPPAS: Ton perasmeno Ioylio, enw leitoyrgoyse to Tmhma Diakophs twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs, alla den mporoyse na thn anakoinwsei. Eprepe na thn anakoinwsei sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs twra. Ayto htan gnwsto oti den anakoinwnetai sto Tmhma Diakophs ths Boylhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H prwth apofash einai;

REPPAS: Ma, einai mia mhnythria anafora. H aplh diabibash mporei na ginei mesa se mia hmera. Katatiqetai mia mhnythria anafora -gnwsto to texnasma ths N.D.- o eisaggeleas th diabibazei sth Boylh kai einai sth diaqesh toy Proedroy ths Boylhs.

KAPPOS: Moy ekane foberh entypwsh h apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Stamatopoylo, ws pros ton k. Kolwnh, ton opoio proswpika den ton jerw, alla emaqa shmera ton plhrh fakelo toy kai anarwtiemai, einai dynaton h kybernhsh, poy prostateyei ta proswpika dedomena, na exei enan plhrh fakelo twn epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn kai twn gnwstikwn dejiothtwn kai den jerw ti allo, kapoiwn politwn;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizoyme an eseis exete ptyxio mias sxolhs, an eiste dhmosiografos h poy doyleyete; Ayta einai gnwsta.

KAPPOS: Den sas exw dwsei, pantws, biografiko kai den to dhmosiopoiw.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw to biografiko sas. Alla, ayto eleipe twra, na apokalyfqei oti den ekproswpeite kapoia efhmerida kai oti den eiste diapisteymenos edw! Mporei na mas to peite ki ayto.

KAPPOS: Peri alloy pragmatos milame.

REPPAS: Poia efhmerida ekproswpeite;

KAPPOS: Thn "Eleyqerh Wra", to jerete poly kala.

REPPAS: Nai. Proswpiko dedomeno einai ayto; O k. Stamatopoylos moy zhthse na apanthsw se qema poy afora tis politikes pepoiqhseis enos sympolith mas. Den gnwrizw. Oson afora, omws, stoixeia poy aforoyn th dhmosia drasthriothta toy, ayta einai gnwsta. Mhn parermhneyete to nomo gia thn prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

Sas eyxaristw.


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