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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-10-17

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Oktwbrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei shmera, stis 7 to apogeyma, ton Proedro ths Boylhs k. Apostolo Kaklamanh.

Eisagwgikws, sas enhmerwnw oti to Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Metaforwn ths E.E. synedriase xqes kai elabe shmantikes apofaseis gia oles tis aeroporikes etaireies kai bebaiws gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Apofasisthke h lhch metrwn enisxyshs twn aeroporikwn etaireiwn gia blabes poy exoyn ypostei, idiws meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh ths 11hs Septembrioy. Epishs, h E.E. apofasise na analaboyn ta krath thn plhrwmh twn epasfalistrwn twn aeroporikwn etaireiwn. Einai ena kostos poy proekyce thn teleytaia periodo, meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh. Akomh, meta apo eishghsh toy Ellhna Ypoyrgoy Metaforwn Xrhstoy Berelh, egine dekto na mhn aposyrqoyn, ton Martio toy 2002, opws arxikws problepotan, ta aeroskafh typoy "Mpoingk 737-200". Mporei na xrhsimopoioyntai kai meta thn hmeromhnia ayth, alla mono se proorismoys ektos E.E., opws kai sto eswteriko mias xwras, opws h Ellada.

Oson afora th diarqrwtikh allagh, thn poreia idiwtikopoihshs ths O.A., h politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, eidopoihqhke apo to Symboylo me ton opoio synergazetai gia thn oloklhrwsh ths idiwtikopoihshs ths O.A., oti thn epomenh ebdomada qa diatypwsei thn eishghsh toy gi ayth thn poly shmantikh ypoqesh.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

SOYGLERHS: Exete kati na mas peite gia tis dyo synanthseis ths kas Aggelopoyloy me ton k. Shmith; Proekyce kati; Apaithse kati h k. Aggelopoyloy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti einai taktikes oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn epikefalhs toy "Aqhna 2004". Sto plaisio ayths ths synergasias toys, synanthqhkan kai xqes gia na syzhthsoyn thn poreia ths proetoimasias ths xwras mas gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Tipote allo.

IWANNOY: To prwi o k. Laliwths, se synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrhse sto ypoyrgeio, anaferqhke sth symbash twn Spatwn, kateqese kapoia stoixeia kai eipe oti apo ta stoixeia poy exei sta xeria toy kai apo mia etaireia logistwn poy ajiologhse th symbash poy ypograce o idios kai th symbash poy eixe etoimasei o k. Mhtsotakhs, ejoikonomhqhkan gia to Dhmosio 100 disekatommyria. Kai malista afhse na ennohqei yper poioy qa phgainan ayta ta 100 disekatommyria, sthn tseph toy k. Mhtsotakh h sto tameio ths Neas Dhmokratias. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ma, milhse o armodios ypoyrgos. H kybernhsh mila, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, me th fwnh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. Ta stoixeia ayta exoyn anaferqei kai alles fores sto parelqon kai oydepote doqhke apanthsh, oyte asxolhqhkan oi arxes kai oi yphresies ths xwras mas poy exoyn armodiothta gia tetoia qemata kai synhqws deixnoyn eyaisqhsia, monomerh eyaisqhsia, omws, prepei na pw. Exei katagrafei ayth h epityxhmenh syndesh ths qhteias toy k. Laliwth me megala erga, metajy twn opoiwn, einai kai to neo dieqnes aerodromio. O k. Laliwths exei epityxei na beltiwsei, kata poly symferonta tropo gia to ellhniko Dhmosio, th symbash gia to dieqnes aerodromio. Ta qemata ta opoia exei qesei, akomh perimenoyn apanthsh, giati einai qemata poy exoyn sxesh me mia diarkh epikairothta, afoy aforoyn th diafaneia kai th sxesh twn politikwn me tis epixeirhseis kai ta idiwtika symferonta.

TAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Laliwths eipe oti qa kataqesei ta stoixeia sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs. Milhse akomh gia enan trofodoth logariasmo. Kai to erwthma einai, ean jekina mia nea periodos "sklhroy rok" metajy Kybernhshs kai Neas Dhmokratias h metajy PASOK kai N.D., dedomenhs kai ths neas qeshs poy anamenetai na analabei o k. Laliwths apo thn allh ebdomada.

REPPAS: Oi politikoi, oi ypoyrgoi, prepei na yperaspizontai to dhmosio symferon. H politikh poy sxediazoyn kai askoyn exei apokleistika ayto ws gnwmona, to dhmosio symferon kai to symferon toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qa prepei me sygkekrimena stoixeia na apodeiknyetai ayto. O k. Laliwths exei qesei ypoch twn armodiwn yphresiwn, edw kai para poly kairo, ayta ta ariqmhtika dedomena, ta opoia kapoioi poy exoyn sxetikh armodiothta, kalo einai na ta parakoloyqhsoyn, na ta ajiologhsoyn, na ta ajiopoihsoyn, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exei to qema. O k. Laliwths den kanei aplws mia kataggelia. Kanei mia anafora se ena qema poy mas endiaferei oloys. Kai epeidh ginetai poly megalh syzhthsh gia qemata diafaneias, kalo einai oi dynameis ekeines poy paroysiazontai ws stayroforoi ths diafaneias, na poyn sygkekrimena pragmata, wste na dwsoyn apanthsh se ayta ta stoixeia. Alla, bebaiws, kai alles yphresies ths xwras mas, dikastikes yphresies, kalo einai na asxolhqoyn me kataggelies poy exoyn ginei edw kai para polla xronia. Dystyxws, omws, ws fainetai, den exoyn proselkysei to endiaferon toys.

ANANIADHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo ton orismo poy dinetai me th syndyasmenh lista apo th mia twn egklhmatwn kai toys stoxoys twn aytoyrgwn se o,ti afora thn tromokratia, ton orismo poy doqhke sto Loyjemboyrgo h mhpws anhsyxei apo to asafes toy pragmatos; Dhladh, apo ta 11 adikhmata poy perigrafontai sth lista, qa mporoyse na pei kaneis oti h diakoph reymatos se mia apergia ths DEH einai tromokratikh energeia h oi xakers eisboleis se ena plhroforiko systhma einai tromokratikh energeia, enas ekbiasmos einai tromokratikh energeia. Yparxei anhsyxia apo ayth thn asafeia;

REPPAS: H syzhthsh einai se ejelijh. Qa prepei, pragmati, na wrimasei h syzhthsh ayth. Pantws, h kaqe proseggish prepei na ginei ypo to prisma ths yperaspishs twn dhmokratikwn kai koinoboyleytikwn qesmwn. H opoia anhsyxia ekdhlwnetai, apo diafores pleyres kai apo th dikh mas, sxetizetai akribws me thn parapomph se xarakthrismoys ws tromokratikwn energeiwn, drasthriothtwn poy den apoteloyn tipote allo, para th dynatothta poy exoyn oi polites me to dhmokratiko dikaiwma toys na proballoyn tis apoceis toys, me nomimo kai syntagmatika orqo tropo. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti toys epomenoys mhnes qa lhfqei h sxetikh apofash, an ayto katastei dynato, afoy oloklhrwqei aytos o kyklos syzhthshs. Mexri tote, ola ayta ta qemata qa ta proseggizoyn oi ekproswpoi olwn twn kratwn me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai endiaferon kai pantote -ayth einai h dikh mas qesh- ypo to prisma ths yperaspishs twn dhmokratikwn kai koinoboyleytikwn qesmwn. Aytos einai o ajonas kaqe proseggishs gia ta qemata poy aforoyn thn tromokratia h kaqe prospaqeias gia na prosdioristei h ennoia ths tromokratias. Pragma dysxeres, bebaiws. Apo thn allh, omws, mporei na pei kaneis oti einai aparaithto na synexistei kai na wrimasei ayth h syzhthsh, giati ayto poy exei shmasia einai na enteinoyme th synergasia mas, prokeimenoy h opoia drash mas ston tomea ayto na einai pio apotelesmatikh.

MPEKATWROY: Mhpws qa mporoysate na mas dwsete kapoies leptomereies, sxetika me toys logariasmoys twn Talimpan poy exoyn breqei se Trapezes sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti me bash kanonismo ths E.E. kai alla stoixeia poy exoyn perielqei stis armodies yphresies ths xwras mas, pragmati dienergeitai elegxos oson afora trapezikoys logariasmoys. Exei diapistwqei, meta apo ton prwto elegxo, oti yparxoyn logariasmoi se onomata jenwn politwn, onomata ta opoia fainetai oti exoyn mia omoiothta me ta onomata politwn poy periexontai se katalogoys ws enexomenoi se tromokratikes drasthriothtes. Pantws, oi logariasmoi aytoi den einai shmantikoy xrhmatikoy antikrismatos kai en pash periptwsei ola ayta ta qemata poy apasxoloyn tis yphresies ths xwras mas, se synergasia me tis yphresies twn allwn xwrwn, antimetwpizontai me analogo tropo, xwris na xreiazetai na poyme tipota perissotero, syzhtwntas dhmosiws to qema ayto.

MPEKATWROY: Oi sygkekrimenoi logariasmoi exoyn "pagwsei";

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti exoyn lhfqei ola ta metra. O entopismos logariasmwn ayths ths kathgorias, shmainei kai mia analogh antidrash apo th dikh mas pleyra. Einai dedomenh h dikh mas antidrash. Einai idia me ayth twn antistoixwn yphresiwn stis xwres ths E.E..

KACIWTHS: Ep` aytoy, den yparxei akomh to nomiko plaisio ekeino poy mporei na toys pagwsei; Giati akoysthke kai ayto, oti se epipedo E.E. den exoyn ginei oi antistoixes nomoqetikes ryqmiseis.

REPPAS: Sas lew oti den yparxei kanena problhma. Kai en pash periptwsei, prepei na sas pw oti oi logariasmoi aytoi, ej antikeimenoy, den mporei na trofodotoyn tetoies drasthriothtes, giati to antikrisma toys, qa elege kaneis oti einai aney shmasias.

MPOYATAR: Milhsate gia omoiothtes me anqrwpoys poy einai se mia lista, endexomenws gia tromokratikes energeies. Apo osa leei h efhmerida "TO BHMA" den bgainei ayto, bgainei oti anhkoyn sto kaqestws twn Talimpan kai yphrxe to aithma apo thn Eyrwph na ginei elegxos basei mias listas poy eixe doqei prin apo tis tromokratikes energeies.

REPPAS: H prwth lista, symfwna me ton Kanonismo ths E.E., exei apostalei apo ton Ioylio toy 2001, poly prin ekdhlwqei h tromokratikh epiqesh. Milhsa gi` ayto, alla den anefera hmeromhnia. Exete apolyto dikio se ayto. O elegxos, loipon, gia th sysxetish tetoiwn onomatwn, emplekomenwn me thn tromokratia, poy diaqetoyn logariasmoys, ginetai se xrono progenestero toy xronoy poy ekdhlwqhke h tromokratikh epiqesh stis HPA. Ayto einai alhqes. Apo ekei kai pera, sas eipa poia einai ta apotelesmata ths ereynas. To eipa me oso ginetai pio synoptiko tropo. Kai bebaiws, ta qemata ayta den mporoyme na ta syzhthsoyme peraiterw dhmosiws.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema. Milwntas prohgoymenws gia ta stoixeia poy kateqese o k. Laliwths, eipate oti kalo qa einai kapoioi na ta melethsoyn. Ennoeite toys eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Akoysate oloi ti eipa. Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh moy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epeidh o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas eixe afhsei sto parelqon anoikto to endexomeno dimeroys synergasias me tis HPA ston agwna kata ths tromokratias, qa hqela na rwthsw, ti syzhthse shmera o Amerikanos presbhs me toys arxhgoys twn Enoplwn Dynamewn;

REPPAS: O Amerikanos presbhs episkefqhke ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas, opws kai alloys ypoyrgoys, tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Kai egw eixa th xara, edw sto ypoyrgeio, na syzhthsw mazi toy, xqes. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti yphresies ths xwras mas ston tomea ayto, synergazontai me tis yphresies twn HPA se dimeres epipedo, gia thn antimetwpish, metajy twn allwn, kai twn qematwn ths tromokratias. Alla, bebaiws, h synergasia ayth einai kai polymerhs. Kai sthn polymerh ayth synergasia symmetexoyn toso oi yphresies ths Elladas, oso kai oi yphresies twn HPA. Ara, kai se dimeres kai se polymeres epipedo, h synergasia ayth einai dedomenh. Ta qemata ths tromokratias exoyn ejairetikh shmasia, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, meta thn 11h Septembrioy kai logiko einai na apoteloyn to prwto qema, to opoio tiqetai sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn poy exei o Amerikanos presbhs me ypoyrgoys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Laliwths isxyristhke oti o k. Mhtsotakhs zhthse apo ton k. Alafoyzo 600.000 dolaria. To erwthma moy einai, ean h kybernhsh exei ereynhsei ayth thn kataggelia, apo poy antlhse ta stoixeia o k. Laliwths kai giati ayth h kataggelia egine th sygkekrimenh xronikh sygkyria;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ayto to exei pei o k. Alafoyzos.

MOYRTZHS: To gnwrizoyme ayto poly kala.

REPPAS: Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti dhmosiws o k. Alafoyzos exei pei oti exei xrhmatodothsei th N.D., mesw toy k. Mhtsotakh. Kai ayth einai, isws, h monh fora poy enas amesws emplekomenos se mia ypoqesh xrhmatikhs enisxyshs exei milhsei me tosh safhneia. Kai bebaiws, einai ena qema poy exei apasxolhsei thn koinh gnwmh kai sto parelqon. Ola ayta ta qemata exoyn to endiaferon toys. Exoyn teqei me sygkekrimena ariqmhtika stoixeia, alla apanthseis den exoyn doqei.

MOYRTZHS: Oi yponoies poy afhse o k. Laliwths -den to anefere ayto poy lete eseis- einai oysiastika oti dwrodokhqhke o k. Mhtsotakhs apo ton k. Alafoyzo. Den anefere oti ayta ta xrhmata phgan sto kommatiko tameio.

REPPAS: Ayto exei pei kai o k. Alafoyzos. O k. Laliwths epanelabe ayto poy exei pei o k. Alafoyzos kai den xreiazontai kamia ermhneia ta osa eipe o k. Laliwths. Oloi bgazoyn ta symperasmata toys.

BITALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos epaneilhmmena, otan tiqentai qemata h kataggelies peri diafqoras, diaspaqishs dhmosioy xrhmatos, exei pei kai diamesoy esas kai o idios eyqews "phgainete ta stoixeia ston eisaggelea". Apo th stigmh, loipon, poy o k. Laliwths mila gia trofodoth logariasmo, giati den phgainei ta stoixeia kateyqeian ston eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ta qemata ayta exoyn teqei sto parelqon. To erwthma poy mporeite na qesete eseis h opoiosdhpote allos kalopistos poliths parakoloyqei tis politikes syzhthseis kai ejelijeis einai toyto:

Prwton, pws ginetai na epideiknyetai monomerhs eyaisqhsia sthn periptwsh poy ta dhmosieymata aforoyn prajeis ths kybernhshs h kybernhtikwn paragontwn kai to endiaferon twn eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn na einai ameso, enw se alles periptwseis na yparxei plhrhs adiaforia;

Deyteron, exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti bebaiws kaqenas poy dinei tetoia stoixeia prepei na apeyqynetai ston armodio eisaggelea. Kathgoroyme th N.D., giati xrhsimopoiei ena texnasma, enw gnwrizei oti gia toys ypoyrgoys h Boylh, kai monon ayth, mporei na leitoyrghsei ws eisaggeliko organo. H Boylh ws swma einai "eisaggeleas" poy mporei na diatypwsei kathgoria kata ypoyrgwn.

H N.D., enw exei ton ariqmo twn boyleytwn poy ths epitrepei na analabei prwtoboylia, prokeimenoy h Boylh, asxoloymenh me ena tetoio qema, na metatrapei se swma eisaggelewn kai na apeyqynei kathgories se ypoyrgoys, katafeygei sto ejhs texnasma: Mesw twn stelexwn ths kataqetei mhnythries anafores stoys eisaggeleis. Gnwrizei oti oi eisaggeleis einai ypoxrewmenoi, efoson oi mhnythries anafores sxetizontai me ypoyrgoys, na tis diabibasei sth Boylh. Kai tote, asxoleitai pleon h N.D. me to qema, epikaloymenh thn eisaggelikh energeia, prokeimenoy etsi sta matia twn politwn na enisxysei th qesh ths. Na thn paroysiasei, dhladh, ws qesh h opoia aporreei apo mia ypoxrewsh poy exei, apo mia synepeia poy prepei na epideijei, dhladh na proballei thn eisaggelikh energeia, wste h Boylh na einai ypoxrewmenh ek twn pragmatwn na asxolhqei me to qema. Ayto einai to texnasma ths N.D. Den exei kamia sxesh, loipon, to ena me to allo. Asfalws, o kaqenas prepei na apeyqynetai ston eisaggelea. Gia toys ypoyrgoys, gnwrizete oti h Boylh einai ekeinh h opoia apeyqynei kathgories.

To PASOK gia ta sygkekrimena qemata phre prwtoboylies sto parelqon, tis opoies diaxeiristhke me ton tropo poy gnwrizete, opws stis periptwseis twn ypoklopwn mesw thlefwnoy k.t.l. Gia to sygkekrimeno qema ta stoixeia ayta exoyn teqei kat` epanalhch kai apanthseis den exoyn doqei apo kanenan. Oyte exei ekdhlwqei analogo endiaferon. Kalo einai na ginei ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Laliwths qa kataqesei mhnythria anafora gi ayta poy eipe, gia na epemboyn eisaggeleis, opws lete;

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths epanelabe pragmata, ta opoia exei pei kai sto parelqon. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai na deijoyn eyaisqhsia aytoi poy toys aforoyn ta sygkekrimena ayta stoixeia kai na dwsoyn tis apanthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Laliwths exei thn eyaisqhsia na kataqesei mhnythria anafora;

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths exei thn eyaisqhsia na anadeiknyei, me sygkekrimena stoixeia, me epixeirhmata, tis dikes toy qeseis, prokeimenoy etsi na proballei thn alhqeia, thn pragmatikothta gia to ergo poy exei kanei h kybernhsh, idiws malista se qemata, gia ta opoia oi epiloges twn kybernhsewn ths N.D. einai fanero oti ypoleipontai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, oi eisaggeleis, h Dikaiosynh genika epembainei moon otan katatiqentai kapoia stoixeia. Otan ginetai kapoia mhnysh. Den pairnei kati kai na epembei etsi gia tis aerologies poy leei kaqe ypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. An qewreite aerologies ayta poy grafete eseis sthn efhmerida poy ergazeste, se efhmerides ths N.D., ta opoia dinoyn thn aformh se eisaggeleis na asxolhqoyn kai na proxwrhsoyn se diafores prokatarktikes ejetaseis, den exw kanena logo na diafwnhsw mazi sas. Lew, omws, oti seira dhmosieymatwn exei apotelesei thn aitia kai thn aformh, wste na asxolhqoyn oi dikastikes yphresies ths xwras mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas eipa gia tis aerologies twn ypoyrgwn kai sygkekrimena toy k. Laliwth. Giati den kanei mhnysh afoy exei ta stoixeia;

REPPAS: To dieykrinisate. Alla, o k. Laliwths brisketai se mia qesh ws ypoyrgos PEXWDE poy toy dinei th dynatothta na proballei to ergo to diko toy kai ths kybernhshs kai taytoxrona, me sygkekrimena stoixeia na epixeirhmatologei, prokeimenoy na katadeijei poso to ergo ths kybernhshs kai to diko toy, yperexei apo tis epiloges kai to ergo twn kybernhsewn ths N.D. Se ayta ta epixeirhmata yparxei apanthsh; Den yparxei. Ayto einai to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, den kanei ayto. Leei, posa phre o Mhtsotakhs apo ton Alafoyzo. Ayto einai mesa sta erga;

REPPAS: Ayto den to exei pei o k. Laliwths, to exei pei o k. Alafoyzos. Kai gnwrizete oti exoyn dhmosieyqei fwtotypies twn stoixeiwn ekeinwn, poy apodeiknyoyn to alhqes twn oswn exei pei o k. Alafoyzos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ta 50 disekatommyria toy Kthmatologioy se poion trofodoth logariasmo phgan;

REPPAS: Na, loipon, ena qema to opoio -afoy sas afora toso poly- qa prepei na apotelesei stoixeio, wste na parete thn prwtoboylia na kataqesete eseis proswpika mhnythria anafora, gia na deijete etsi oti eiste yperaspisths toy dhmosioy symferontos. Ean den to kanete, einai san na lete, oti mono gia logoys entypwsioqhrias, kitrinismoy h laikismoy asxoleiste me ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Mparnie to exei kanei hdh.

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh me ayto, k. Stamatopoyle. O k. Mparnie htan ekeinos poy dhlwse oti oi elegxoi, poy askei logw ths armodiothtas gia epopteia poy exei h E.E., den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis dikastikes energeies poy exoyn ginei sthn Ellada. To eipe o k. Mparnie briskomenos sthn Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Milwntas gia ``adiafaneis'' diadikasies.

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos otan milate gia adiafaneis diadikasies. O k. Mparnie milhse gia diadikasies, oi opoies qa prepei na elegxqoyn, epeidh isws parekklinoyn apo aytes poy qa eprepe na akoloyqhqoyn symfwna me to plaisio poy exei qesei h E.E. Den milhse gia diadikasies, oi opoies einai poinikws kolasimes. Mhn, loipon, ta sygxeete ayta gia na dhmioyrgeite entypwseis, sto plaisio ths aerologias, oson afora th dhmosiografia, poy akoloyqoyn kapoioi sthn Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Parte to thlegrafhma 113 toy APE, ekeinhs ths hmeras, na to diabasete kala.

REPPAS: Ta diabazw kala, k. Stamatopoyle, opws kai osa dhmosieyontai, para to oti bebaiws ayto shmainei kai kostos se para poly xrono, dioti gnwrizete oti o aeras, oso kai na ton sympyknwseis, aeras einai. Ara, loipon, otan asxoleisai kai diabazeis aerologies, o xronos einai xamenos giati den meinei tipota telika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: @H otan akoys aerologies.

REPPAS: Giati to lete ayto; Epeidh kanete polles erwthseis kaqe hmera sthn politikh enhmerwsh, lete oti akoyme aerologies; Mh strefeste enantion toy eaytoy sas.

TAKHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate prin sth stash ths N.D. h opoia den xrhsimopoiei ta koinoboyleytika mesa poy diaqetei: Ean kapoios eisaggeleas antapokriqei sthn ekklhsh sas kai ejetasei tis kataggelies kai steilei thn ypoqesh sth Boylh, to PASOK qa zhthsei Ejetastikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Den kanw kamia ypoqesh. Diatypwnete mia erwthsh, mesw ypoqeshs. Egw prokalw th N.D. na parei sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia, afoy exei ta stoixeia sth diaqesh ths, opws isxyrizetai, kaqws diaqetei ton ariqmo boyleytwn poy problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, wste gia to qema ths anwnymhs etaireias ``DEKA'' na analabei tis eyqynes ths. Giati, gia mia akomh fora -kai einai h trith fora poy syzhtoyme ayto to qema- diapistwnetai oti h N.D. den endiaferetai gia thn alhqeia, oson afora sygkekrimenes ypoqeseis. Endiaferetai na dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Sto plaisio ayto prokalw kai pali th N.D. na parei thn prwtoboylia, na ferei to qema ths DEKA sth Boylh, gia na parei, gia mia akomh fora, tekmhriwmenh kai apostomwtikh apanthsh. Den to kanei. Ayto deixnei oti einai komma ``periorismenhs koinoboyleytikhs eyqynhs''.

TAKHS: H ND. den to kanei kai orqws eseis, gia esas, thn kataggellete. Ean, loipon, erqoyn stoixeia apo ton eisaggelea sth Boylh gia ton k. Mhtsotakh, to PASOK qa to kanei , qa zhthsei Ejetastikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw se mia ypoqesh. Qewreite dedomeno oti kapoios eisaggeleas qa steilei stoixeia. Mporoyme na syzhthsoyme se ayth th bash; Gnwrizete kati eseis;

TAKHS: Oxi, giati otan kanei kataggelies enas Ypoyrgos, einai sobares.

REPPAS: Afoy den gnwrizete, giati na gnwrizw kati egw; Sxhma prwqystero. Mh biazeste.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh kathgoreite th N.D. oti katafeygei se texnasmata kai entypwsioqhries, den exete kapoio fobo oti endexomenws kai h kybernhsh, me tis dhlwseis aytes gyrw apo parelqoyses epoxes kai kriseis, katafeygei se analogh taktikh; Anaferomai stis dhlwseis toy k. Laliwth.

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths milhse me sygkekrimena stoixeia. Allo oi ewles kathgories gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn....

KARGOYDH: Parelqoyswn epoxwn, omws, k. Ypoyrge. Se ti afora h ypoqesh Alafoyzoy th shmerinh epikairothta;

REPPAS: Den afora esas; Giati me rwtate tote, afoy den sas afora;

KARGOYDH: Peite moy eseis se ti afora.

REPPAS: Ma, ti syzhtame tosh wra edw; Mporeite na moy peite giati monopwlhqhke h shmerinh mas syzhthsh apo to qema ayto; Afoy den sas afora.

KARGOYDH: Giati enas ypoyrgos sas ekane kataggelies.

REPPAS: Afoy den sas afora, loipon, giati dinete ayth thn emfash, mporeite na moy peite; Dioti briskete oti exei kapoio endiaferon. An den eixe endiaferon den qa qetate erwthseis. Ta tria tetarta twn erwthsewn anaferontai se ayto to qema. Pws mporeite eseis na asxoleiste me ayto to qema kai taytoxrona na lete ``giati anafereste se ayth thn ypoqesh''; Afoy sas endiaferei toso poly -einai fanero apo th syzhthsh poy kanoyme edw- prepei na eiste ikanopoihmenoi. Na lete ``mprabo, h kybernhsh qetei ena qema to opoio exei megalo endiaferon'', opws allwste ekdhlwnetai apo tis erwthseis poy kanete kai to endiaferon to diko sas.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws leme kai podosfairikws ``h kalyterh amyna einai h epiqesh''. Mhpws, o k. Laliwths sth sygkekrimenh sygkyria kanei politiko antiperispasmo, kathgorwntas politikoys gia na krycei h na aposeisei dikes toy eyqynes;

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths kanei mia politikh arxwn, yperaspizomenos to dhmosio symferon kai milaei pantote me stoixeia. Ayto ekane kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Qetei erwthmata kai den pairnei apanthseis. An doqoyn oi apanthseis -an jerete eseis oti exoyn doqei apanthseis parakalw na tis anaferete- tote qa miloyme se mia allh bash. Mexri tote, omws, ta erwthmata poy tiqentai menoyn anapanthta.

Sas eyxaristw.


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