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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-11-07

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 7 Noembrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti:

"Me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK k. Kwnstantinoy Shmith, orizontai ws koinoboyleytikoi ekproswpoi toy PASOK oi boyleytes Alejandros Akribakhs, Xarhs Kastanidhs kai Flwros Kwnstantinoy. Syntonisths ekproswpos orizetai o k. Alejandros Akribakhs. O Prwqypoyrgos apodidei idiaiterh shmasia sto ergo twn koinoboyleytikwn ekproswpwn. O k. Alejandros Akribakhs hskhse ta kaqhkonta toy mexri shmera me apolyth epityxia. Gi` ayto kai ekriqh anagkaia h paramonh toy kai sth nea synqesh. Oi kyrioi Xarhs Kastanidhs kai Flwros Kwnstantinoy, empeira kai ikana koinoboyleytika stelexh, qa askhsoyn apofasistika kai dhmioyrgika ta shmantika kai ayjhmena kaqhkonta toys. Einai bebaio oti to neo sxhma qa epitelesei me epityxia to koinoboyleytiko toy ergo".

Stis 8 to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei thn Proedro toy "AQHNA 2004" k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Eidame dhlwseis toy prwhn Amerikanoy presbh sthn Ellada poy, oyte ligo-oyte poly, leei oti h kybernhsh jerei poioi einai oi tromokrates. Qelw, epishs, na sxoliasete to gegonos oti arketoi prwhn Amerikanoi ajiwmatoyxoi, olo ayto to teleytaio diasthma, lene oti exoyn stoixeia, ta exoyn dwsei, den ta exoyn dwsei; Qeloyme na mas peite, ti pragmatika akribws symbainei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qewrw oles tis sxetikes anafores anajies sxoliasmoy. Den mporei h kybernhsh na asxoleitai diarkws me prwhn stelexh diaforwn yphresiwn, oi opoioi, kata kairoys, emfanizontai -gia dikoys toy logoys o kaqenas- kai probainoyn se diaforoys asthriktoys isxyrismoys h eyfantasta senaria. Einai anajies sxoliasmoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Nails exei diatelesei presbhs sthn Aqhna. Exei synergastei me thn kybernhsh, exei synergastei me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo o,ti eipe, o Prwqypoyrgos symfwnhse mazi toy se kapoia proswpa. Einai alhqeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ayta einai asthrikta. Einai ceydeis oi isxyrismoi toy. Ejalloy yparxei plhrhs apanthsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh, h opoia doqhke se xqesinobradinh ekpomph.

MPOTWNHS: Den apanthsate sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs moy, sto giati ayth thn periodo; Poia einai h ektimhsh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na to jerw. Diafora prwhn stelexh, metajy twn opoiwn kai syntajioyxoi diplwmates, emfanizontai kai anaferontai se diafora eyfantasta senaria kai probainoyn se asthriktoys isxyrismoys. Den mporoyme na asxoloymaste synexws me ayta. Einai anajia logoy kai fysika einai ceydh. Exoyn apanthqei plhrws apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Xqes, akoysame ayta poy eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs. Arnhqhke kathgorhmatika oti yparxei lista. Apodexqhke, omws kai emmesws kai amesws, oti yparxoyn ypoptoi. Aytoi oi ypoptoi den einai katagegrammenoi se ena xarti;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes ti eipe o k. Xrysoxoidhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Na dwsoyme mia proektash se ayta poy isxyristhke. Otan rwthqhke sxetika eipe, nai, yparxoyn orismenoi ypoptoi. Bebaiws, den stoixeioqeteitai tetoia kathgoria, wste na proboyme se syllhceis, alla yparxei mia omada ypoptwn. Mhpws miloyme gia to idio;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh einai poly ploysia glwssa, me polles lejeis mporei na ekfrasei kaneis to idio nohma. Einai safes ayto poy ennooyse o k. Xrysoxoidhs. Ejhghse poly kala ti ennooyse kai kala ekane. Kai den taytise th sygkekrimenh ekfrash me ayto poy prospaqoyse na pei o prwhn Amerikanos presbhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Xqes, den jerw ean to parathrhsate eseis kai qa hqela na to sxoliasete, ean syntrexei logos, o k. Nails eipe oti ``oi egkefaloi'', kata kapoio tropo, ths tromokratikhs organwshs, anhkoyn sta anwtera strwmata ths koinwnias. Sympiptei, omws, ayth h diapistwsh toy k. Nails me th diapistwsh poy ekane kai o Skyftoylhs argotera sthn idia ekpomph poy parakoloyqhsame kai eipe oti aytoys den mporoyn na toys piasoyn, dioti den exoyn mhtrwo, den einai epibarhmenoi me enoxopoihtika stoixeia kai anhkoyn se mia allh kathgoria, kinoyntai eleyqera k.lp. Ayth h symptwsh twn apocewn sas dhmioyrgei kapoio erwthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na parakoloyqhsw aytoy toy typoy tis dhlwseis. Kai oyte mporw na anaferomai monimws sto ti leei o kaqenas, kaqe prwhn stelexos gia dikoys toy logoys se thleoptikes ekpompes. Den einai dynaton h kybernhsh monimws na asxoleitai me ayta ta zhthmata.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Tis dhlwseis toy k. Nails synodeysan shmera, toylaxiston se oles tis efhmerides poy diabasa egw, plhrofories symfwna me tis opoies, apo tis prwtes kiolas synanthseis, aytes dhladh poy emeis edw legame synanthseis gnwrimias, o neos presbhs twn Amerikanwn k. Miler, piezei gia ameses syllhceis tromokratwn. Ayto einai alhqeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, bebaia. Den einai alhqeia. Exoyme anaferqei epaneilhmmenws se ayta ta zhthmata. Ean kapoios diaqetei stoixeia, eyxaristws na mas ta dwsei. Jerete oti oi yphresies synergazontai metajy toys. Den mporei, loipon, kapoios na leei oti "exw stoixeia kai den ta dinw".

TAKHS: Me aformh tis dhlwseis Nails arxisan jana na diatypwnontai aixmes enqen kakeiqen, anamesa se boyleytes twn dyo megalwn kommatwn. Ws paradeigma sas fernw mia dhlwsh poy akoysa shmera to prwi apo ton k. Balyrakh, o opoios eipe oti h dolofonia toy Payloy Mpakogiannh bohqhse na parapemfqei o Andreas Papandreoy sto Eidiko Dikasthrio. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw ektimhseis h dhlwseis boyleytwn. Yparxei h kybernhtikh qesh, thn opoia sas aneptyja.

MIXAHL: Epeidh diablepw stis apanthseis sas mia, estw emmesh, kai logw ths qeshs qa th xarakthriza kai dikaiologhmenh, enoxlhsh gia ayth th syzhthsh ,kaqe treis kai ligo eipate, oi syntajioyxoi bgainoyn kai lene gia dikoys toys logoys to ena h to allo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kapws etsi einai ta pragmata.

MIXAHL: ...skopeyete ws kybernhsh na diamartyrhqeite sthn amerikanikh pleyra kai na toys peite oti, koitajte, synexizete ayto to bioli h to biolaki; Pws qa to kocete eseis, dhladh; Giati kai ayrio mporei na bgei kapoios allos kai na pei pali ta idia. Ti qa kanete; Qa kanete kapoia energeia, qa parete kapoia prwtoboylia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean qelei kapoios na toys kocei th fora, prepei na toys dinei th shmasia poy toys prepei. Otan toys dineis parapanw shmasia apo ekeinh poy toys prepei, den toys kobei th fora. Gia na stamathsoyn aytes oi istories apo diafora prwhn stelexh na mhn anaptyssoyn ta senaria toys kai na mh lene tis istorioyles kai ta cemata toys, prepei na toys apodidoyme th deoysa shmasia. Ayto qa hqela na parakalesw kai ayth qa einai h antimetwpish ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Giati ean, gia paradeigma, apeyqynqoyme se kapoia kybernhsh kai ths poyme ti eipe o kyrios tade, qa mas pei poly swsta oti aytos den exei kapoia dhmosia qesh. Kai mhn jexnate oti milame gia dhmokraties.

IWANNOY: Dyo erwthmata qelw na sas kanw. Sto prwto qa epimeinw, giati akoysame kai ton Karlos, mesa apo th fylakh, o opoios eipe oti o Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs gnwrize to politiko periballon ths 17 Noembrh kai o Andreas Papandreoy thn idia th 17 Noembrh. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean nomizete oti ola ayta ta epixeirhmata poy anakyklwnontai gyrw apo tis sxeseis ths 17 Noembrh me palaia stelexh toy PAK, profanws h en pash periptwsei, toy xwroy toy PASOK, ean epithdes ayth th xronikh stigmh legontai. Kai to deytero, ena sxolio gi ayto poy eipe o k. Skyftoylhs, oti akoma kai ean piastei h 17 Noembrh, qa yparjoyn nees 17 Noembrh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn perimenete na apanthsw sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gia logoys poy eykolws katanoeite. Sto prwto meros, qelw na pw oti prepei telika na rijoyme toys tonoys se ayta ta zhthmata. Den apodidoyme shmasia se aytes tis dhlwseis. Einai anajies sxoliasmoy. Den mporei na dhmioyrgoyntai politika zhthmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. O kyrios aytos hqele na ekmetalleyqei kapoio thleoptiko xrono kai eipe kapoies istories kai kapoia senaria poy piqanon eplase. Den mporoyme na akoloyqoyme ayth th logikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh gnwrizei ean h amerikanikh kybernhsh einai enoxlhmenh h dysaresthmenh apo th stash ths dikhs mas kybernhshs, sxetika me thn tromokratia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H amerikanikh kybernhsh ekfrazetai edw dia toy presbh k. Miler. Den exoyme kamia tetoia endeijh. Allwste, h Ellada symmetexei se oloys toys Dieqneis Organismoys kai exei chfisei oles tis apofaseis toys gia thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias. Symmetexei energa ston agwna kata ths tromokratias.

ARGYROS: Epeidh dhmioyrgoyntai, omws, entypwseis, par oti einai anajies sxoliasmoy oi apoceis toy k. Nails, mhpws skeptetai h kybernhsh na ton kalesei na kataqesei sthn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh ta stoixeia poy exei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw thn ektimhsh oti den qa erqei, opws den hrqan kai prwhn stelexh poy eklhqhsan. Kata th gnwmh moy h kalyterh taktikh einai na bazoyme aytes tis dhlwseis sthn pragmatikh toys, elaxisth ews anyparkth, diastash.

ANANIADHS: Treis erwthseis gia th Zakynqo: Xqes to brady, to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, me epishmh anakoinwsh toy, oyte ligo, oyte poly, plekei to egkwmio toy organoy poy ypoxrewse ton Afgano dikhn orntinantsas na toy plenei tis mpotes. Leei oti doylece para poly, bohqhse para polloys. Se olh thn anakoinwsh, ayto shmeiwnetai. Kalyptetai h kybernhsh apo th sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh; Mono sto telos leei oti qa ginei EDE kai tipota parapanw. Mhpws skeftetai malista, ean ontws etsi exoyn ta pragmata, na ton proteinei kai gia proagwgh epi andragaqia; Epishs, xqes, oles sxedon oi mh kybernhtikes organwseis -exw ypoch moy th Dieqnh Amnhstia, to Parathrhthrio toy Elsinki- yposthrizoyn oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh ypoxreoytai, basei dieqnwn symbasewn, na kinhsei th diadikasia paroxhs asyloy stoys Afganoys kai Irakinoys prosfyges. Ean de, den to kanei, paranomei. Mhpws, meta apo ayto, epanejetazete th stash sas; Kai telos, mporeite na mas sygkekrimenopoihsete, poies qa einai oi prwtoboylies, se poia kateyqynsh qa einai oi prwtoboylies poy qa analabete, fernontas sthn epomenh Synodo Koryfhs sthn E.E., to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, qa milhsw gia thn prwth erwthsh sas poy afora to Limeniko kai thn eikona poy eidame, xqes, sta MME. Qa moy epitrecete meta, kanontas mia mikrh kataxrhsh ths ypomonhs sas, na anaferqw pio emperistatwmena, analytika, gia na exoyme oloi gnwsh ths politikhs mas panw sto qema ayto.

Eidame pragmati oloi mia eikona apo ta MME, xqes. Epikoinwnhsame me to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias kai me to Limeniko. Ayto poy gnwrizete kai to gnwrizoyme kai emeis einai oti, hdh, exei diataxqei Enorkh Dioikhtikh Ejetash (EDE). Apo xqes, enhrghse akariaia h hgesia toy Limenikoy Swmatos kai dietaje EDE gi` ayto to qema. Yparxoyn, bebaia, diafores martyries, yparxoyn diaforoi poy dinoyn kataqeseis. Qa proxwrhsei kai qa oloklhrwqei ayth h EDE kai opoies eyqynes prokycoyn, na eiste bebaioi oti qa apodoqoyn.

Se o,ti afora to genikotero zhthma poy exei dhmioyrghqei, prepei na sas pw, gia thn kalyterh enhmerwsh sas, oti oloklhrwnetai h stadiakh metafora twn anqrwpwn aytwn se xwroys opoy mporoyme na toys prosferoyme thn anagkaia bohqeia. Prohghqhkan oi oikogeneies poy eixan paidia -ayth htan h prwth ypoxrewsh mas- kai aytoi, hdh, exoyn egkatastaqei se jenodoxeio ths Zakynqoy. Yphrje parembash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs kai enoikiasthke ena jenodoxeio, eidika gia to skopo ayto. Einai safes oti prwta apo ola eimaste anqrwpoi kai ws anqrwpoi prepei na feromaste. Aytoi oi anqrwpoi, loipon, egkatastaqhkan se jenodoxeio, me ta paidia toys kai siga-siga bgainoyn apo to karabi kai oi ypoloipoi. Kai lew "siga-siga" giati prepei, pera apo tis prwtes bohqeies poy toys exoyn doqei, na ginoyn kai oi anagkaies iatrikes ejetaseis. Siga-siga bgainoyn kai oi ypoloipoi kai egkaqistantai se eidika diamorfwmenoys xwroys, se kapoio kleisto gymnasthrio, se kapoio xwro ypodoxhs poy diamorfwqhke eidika pros toyto, sth Zakynqo. Ara, loipon, h kybernhsh kanei to xreos ths apenanti stoys anqrwpoys aytoys. Mhn jexnate oti to Limeniko dieswse, me kindyno sygkekrimenwn andrwn, to skafos poy eixe parasyrqei apo thn kataigida. Mhn jexnate oti yphrje aytoqysia pollwn andrwn toy Limenikoy. Pisteyw oti ajizei na dwsoyme sygxarhthria sto Limeniko Swma gia thn yperprospaqeia poy pragmati katebalan oi andres toy.

Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei mia seira politikwn zhthmatwn.

Prepei na jekaqaristei oti h Ellada einai mia xwra opoy h lejh "anqrwpismos" exei thn pragmatikh ennoia ths kai apodidetai sthn pragmatikh diastash ths. Einai apo tis liges xwres poy exoyn agkaliasei oloys aytoys toys oikonomikoys metanastes kai ta problhmata toys. Mhn jexnate oti exoyme enan ariqmo peripoy 600.000 anqrwpwn poy ajiopoihsan tis dyo diadoxikes eykairies poy toys edwse h ellhnikh kybernhsh, me th symfwnia kai twn koinwnikwn forewn, kai exoyn apokthsei nomimo dikaiwma paramonhs kai ergasias. Kai anaferomai sth diadikasia ths leykhs kai prasinhs kartas, me thn prwtoboylia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn. Exoyme, loipon, apodeijei th stash mas sta zhthmata ayta. Alla, epishs, prepei na jekaqarisw oti den eimaste xwra "anoiktwn synorwn", oyte pote kaneis proteine na anoijoyme ta synora mas kai na poyme "osoi exete anagkh apo doyleia, elate sth xwra mas na doylecete". Ayto den exei ginei kai den exei protaqei apo kanenan. Bebaiws, leitoyrgoyme mesa se ena dieqnes periballon kai exoyme kai dieqneis ypoxrewseis.

To prwto zhthma poy prepei na teqei einai poia einai h politikh ths E.E., h opoia prepei na exei sygkekrimenh politikh kai sto qema ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos eqese to zhthma ayto sth Synodo ths Gandhs kai meta thn topoqethsh toy symfwnhqhke to zhthma ths laqrometanasteyshs na eggrafei sthn hmerhsia diatajh toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, poy qa sygklhqei sta mesa Dekembrioy, sto Belgio. Ekei qa ginoyn sygkekrimenes syzhthseis kai qa anazhthqoyn sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, wste na ekfrastei mia eniaia eyrwpaikh politikh gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs. Qa anazhthqoyn politikes gia th genikoterh antimetwpish toy qematos. Qa prepei na symfwnhqoyn politikes gia to qema twn synorwn kai ths fylajhs toys. Prokyptei, epishs, ena qema porwn, dioti einai safes oti oi xwres poy dexontai ta kymata twn laqrometanastwn exoyn ayjhmeno baros, ayjhmenes ypoxrewseis gia na efarmosoyn tis opoies politikes symfwnhqoyn. Ola ayta ta zhthmata qa teqoyn kai qa syzhthqoyn.

Opws blepete, diaxwrizoyme to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs apo to qema twn prosfygwn. Sto qema twn prosfygwn, h qesh ths xwras mas einai safhs. Kanenas politikos prosfygas den ekdiwxqhke pote apo th xwra mas. An apodeixqei oti yparxoyn periptwseis politikwn prosfygwn, einai safes oti qa lyqoyn symfwna me tis apofaseis, tis kateyqynseis ths Eidikhs Ypaths Armosteias toy OHE. Qelw, kathgorhmatika, na sas diabebaiwsw oti, den qa yparjei kanena problhma me osoys apodedeigmena einai politikoi prosfyges. Apo ekei kai pera, gia toys ypoloipoys, prepei na symfwnhsoyme se mia seira zhthmata. Ena apo ta qemata poy eipa xqes kai to epanalambanw, einai oi ypoxrewseis poy prepei na analabei kai h Toyrkia. Exoyme proteinei kai ejakoloyqoyme na epimenoyme se ayto, oti prepei na ypografoyn kapoies symbaseis. Oti prepei na ryqmistoyn zhthmata, na analabei ypoxrewseis h Toyrkia gyrw apo ta zhthmata epaneisdoxhs twn metanastwn sth xwra proeleyshs. Kai ayto einai ena qema poy prepei na lyqei kai qa teqei, bebaiws, armodiws. Ayth einai h politikh mas. Yparxei h anqrwpinh stash -kai ayth kyriarxei panw apo ola- yparxei, omws, kai h anagkh mias oristikhs epilyshs toy zhthmatos poy pairnei diastaseis.

Exoyme, tis teleytaies xronies, panw apo 250.000 laqrometanastes, oi opoioi epixeiroyn na eiselqoyn sto edafos mas. Yparxei kindynos to fainomeno ayto na entaqei. Bebaiws, tiqentai meizona politika zhthmata. Dioti, mono h anaptyjh ths eswterikhs agoras twn xwrwn proeleyshs twn metanastwn, mporei na dwsei mia oristikh lysh sto problhma. Kai ayto, mesa se synqhkes pagkosmiopoihshs poy zoyme, einai ena qema poy prepei na ejetasoyn oi megales xwres. Einai ena qema poy prepei na lysoyn. Alla, mexri na ginei ayto, prepei na yparxoyn kanones: eyrwpaikh politikh, symbatikes ypoxrewseis ths Toyrkias, stash anqrwpias, safws, pros toys anqrwpoys aytoys poy mporei na ypoferoyn, alla kai oristikh ryqmish toy zhthmatos poy den lynetai, opws toylaxiston isxyrizontai orismenoi, me megala logia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mexri, omws, poy na ginoyn ola ayta -ki an ginoyn- h Ellas braxyproqesmws ti qa kanei; Kaqe mera qa erxetai ki ena karabi. Qa toys noikiazoyme ena jenodoxeio, qa toys bazoyme mesa ekei k.tl.; Proxeira exete ena sxedio, etsi, taxyryqmo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den erxetai kaqe mera ena karabi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, erxetai. Aytes tis hmeres, an cajete thn eidhseografia, proseteqh mia nea grammh sta aktoploika dromologia: twn metanastwn. Den nomizw na me apata h mnhmh moy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Bebaiws, einai ena yparkto problhma. Anaferqhka se para polles xiliades anqrwpwn oi opoioi qeloyn na eiselqoyn sth xwra. Gi ayto kai apo xqes, den exw apokleisei kaqoloy -kai malista orismenoi espeysan na einai idiaitera aysthroi pros emena panw se ayto- to qema ths epanaprowqhshs twn metanastwn aytwn. Janalew oti to qema ayto to diaxwrizoyme apo to qema twn prosfygwn. Einai para poly safes. Milw gia anqrwpoys poy paranomws erxontai na ergastoyn sthn Ellada. Prepei na mpei kapoia tajh. H Ellada symperiferqhke poly swsta se ekatontades xiliades anqrwpoys. Toys edwse to dikaiwma na ergastoyn nomima. Kapoy, omws, prepei na mpei ena oristiko telos sto qema ayto kai den mporei na apokleietai to qema ths epanaprowqhshs. Bebaiws, panta meta tis prwtes bohqeies kai thn kalych ameswn anagkwn kai iatrikhs bohqeias poy isws xreiastei na dinetai.

KOYIN: Epeidh o kaq` ylhn armodios ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs brisketai edw shmera, mporeite na mas peite se poio akribws stadio brisketai ayth h symfwnia, poy apo oti fainetai den qa ypografei kata th diarkeia toy tajidioy toy@

PRWTOPAPAS: Eiste apaisiodojos, alla gia twra nai, den einai sthn atzenta.

KOYIN: Ayto hqela na rwthsw: se poio stadio brisketai ayth h symfwnia; Kai ena deytero qema: Mhpws sas exei gnwstopoihqei poio einai akribws to kostos, sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, aytwn twn 700 xiliadwn anqrwpwn poy exoyn erqei ta teleytaia tria xronia; Dhladh, pws barynetai o kratikos proypologismos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei dyo ptyxes to zhthma. Einai diaforetiko to kostos gia kapoion poy ypodexomaste kai diaforetiko gia kapoion poy ergazetai. Dioti se periptwsh, opws ayth ths Zakynqoy, gia paradeigma, einai safes oti yparxei ena ayjhmeno kostos, to opoio kaleitai na plhrwsei to ellhniko Dhmosio. Mhn exoyme kamia amfibolia peri aytoy. Bebaiws, h kybernhsh kanei to xreos ths apenanti ston anqrwpo. Qa mas kathgoroysate, poly aysthra malista, an afhname anqrwpoys na ypoferoyn apo thn peina, th dica kai thn arrwstia. Pote den qa to kanoyme. Ayto, omws, exei ena kostos.

Gia thn periptwsh twn anqrwpwn poy ergazontai nomima sthn Ellada h katastash einai diaforetikh. Mhn jexname th symbolh aytwn twn anqrwpwn kai sthn antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Mhn jexname oti plhrwnoyn IKA, plhrwnoyn eisfores, plhrwnoyn foroys, einai anqrwpoi poy exoyn prosferei sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, idiaitera sthn agrotikh paragwgh. Kai polloi ej aytwn exoyn enswmatwqei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Ta paidia toys foitoyn sta sxoleia mas, gia paradeigma. Einai allo to ena kai allo to allo. Gia tis alles periptwseis prepei na ginei katanohto oti h Ellada den einai xwra anoiktwn synorwn.

Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den perilambanetai sthn epishmh atzenta ayths ths episkechs, h opoia exei na kanei me th synergasia twn diplwmatikwn akadhmiwn, me programmata ekpaideyshs kai th dhmioyrgia mias koinhs monadas gia thn antimetwpish twn fysikwn katastrofwn. Omws, opws jerete, se aytes tis periptwseis syzhtioyntai kai qa syzhthqoyn zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn kalh geitonia kai th meiwsh ths entashs sthn perioxh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti kanenas politikos prosfygas den estalh pisw. Ton Otsalan giati ton paradwsate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ton paradwsame. To qema ayto exei kriqei apo ton ellhniko lao kai gnwrizete poly kala oti den ton paradwsame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den htan politikos prosfygas aytos, laqrometanasths htan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ton paradwsame. Kai to qema ayto teqhke ypoch toy ellhnikoy laoy stis ekloges toy 2000.

KOY@I@N: Syggnwmh, mhpws den to akoysa swsta, dieykrinisate ti qa ginoyn aytoi oi 1000, toys opoioys xqes xarakthrisate ws mh politikoys prosfyges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den einai kai oi 1000 politikoi prosfyges. Yparxei kaneis poy na to isxyrizetai ayto;

KOY@I@N: Oxi. Ara qa ginei h epanaprowqhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Piqanon, metajy aytwn, na yparxoyn kai kapoioi oi opoioi na mporoyn na kataqesoyn aithsh, me bash th dieqnh praktikh kai tis kateyqynseis ths Ypaths Armosteias toy OHE kai na apodeiknyetai h en pash periptwsei, na tekmairetai oti mporei na einai politikoi prosfyges. Einai safes oti gi aytoys qa yparxei diaforetikh antimetwpish. Eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi gia toys politikoys prosfyges. Ayto poy eipa einai na mhn kanoyme sygxysh metajy laqrometanastwn gia oikonomikoys logoys kai politikwn prosfygwn.

MPOTWNHS: O k. Pagkalos sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, xqes, kata th syzhthsh kapoioy nomosxedioy, eipe oti einai dialymenh kai diefqarmenh h kratikh mhxanh kai malista anefere ws paradeigma ta KTEO. Einai h deyterh fora poy askei sklhrh kritikh sthn kybernhsh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai dynato na sxoliazoyme apoceis kai topoqethseis synadelfwn boyleytwn, oi opoies malista ginontai entos toy Koinoboylioy. H ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs einai, apo thn kalopisth kritikh thn opoia dexetai, na ajiopoiei o,ti mporei kalytera, gia th beltiwsh ths politikhs ths, ths genikoterhs eikonas ths xwras kai thn ejyphrethsh twn politwn. Apo ekei kai pera, o kaqe boyleyths -opoios ki an einai, oloi mas- exei dikaiwma na krinei kai me dedomeno oti oi synedriaseis einai dhmosies bebaiws o ellhnikos laos mporei na krinei tis apoceis toy. Gi ayto to logo, den nomizw oti xreiazetai na sxoliazoyme synexws apoceis poy katatiqentai entos toy Koinoboylioy.

TAKHS: H dikh sas apoch poia einai dhladh se ayto poy eipe o k. Pagkalos; Einai diefqarmenh h kratikh mhxanh kai dialymeno to kratos, opws eipe; Giati anefere periptwseis toy YPEXWDE, toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajews kai toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn. Oi boles htan se tessera ypoyrgeia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prosejte thn apanthsh moy. Nomizw oti einai plhrhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos phge shmera sthn Troxaia Aqhnwn. Mhpws exete kati epi pleon na mas peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos episkefqhke thn Troxaia, opws eixame proanaggeilei. H omilia toy einai sth diaqesh sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa kanei ayrio episkech kai sthn odo Mesogeiwn h sto kentro ths Aqhnas gia na diapistwsei pws einai oi synqhkes zwhs twn sympolitwn mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos synexws einai parwn se ola ta megala zhthmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prokeitai na epibalei kapoies kyrwseis se aytoys poy kataskeyasan to METRO h to Aerodromio, poy "etrexan" thn hmera ths broxhs, poy eixan plhmmyrhsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws plhroforoymai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio ta porismata twn Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosiwn Ergwn qa einai poly grhgora sth diaqesh olwn mas. Kai einai safes oti an apo ta porismata ayta prokycoyn eyqynes, aytes qa apodoqoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Phgan Epiqewrhtes sto METRO kai to Aerodromio, exete ypoch sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Phgan se opoiadhpote erga yphrjan sxetikes anafores sta MME. Gia to Aerodromio p.x. yphrjan anafores, ara phgan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai sto METRO yphrjan anafores kai fwtografies me toys koybades. Gi ayto to lew.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opoydhpote yphrjan sxetikes anafores metebhsan oi Epiqewrhtes Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Poly syntoma -einai qema oligwn hmerwn- qa ypobaloyn ta porismata toys kai an exoyn prokycei eyqynes aytes qa apodoqoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.


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