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Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-29

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Noembrioy 2004

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata poy aforoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Poy apodidei h kybernhsh to klima ojynshs, to opoio epikrathse sto Synedrio ths DAKE, kaqws eixame kai diamartyries pros toys Ypoyrgoys kai bebaia stelexh ths DAKE taxqhkan anoixta yper ths apomakrynshs kai toy k. Boyrloymh kai toy k. Nezh apo ton OTE kai th DEH, antistoixa. Pws sxoliazei olo ayto to klima h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai fysiko, sta plaisia toy Synedrioy enos syndikalistikoy forea, na akoygontai diafores apoceis, diafores gnwmes, tis opoies h kybernhsh kai tis akoyei kai tis sebetai.

SARANTAKOS: Yparxoyn Ypoyrgoi poy ``exoyn xasei to bhmatismo toys'', opws feretai na eipe o k. Meimarakhs sto idio Synedrio;

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete ston k. Meimarakh dhlwseis poy den exei kanei.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kaqe fora poy mia kybernhsh erxetai sta dyskola, anakalyptei barbaroys. O Ypoyrgos k. Roysopoylos, ston ``ELEYQERO TYPO'', metajy allwn, eipe: ``Xrhsimopoioyn orismena Mesa san doyreioys ippoys gia na plhjoyn thn kybernhsh kai na dhmioyrghsoyn sygxysh sto mhnyma ths''. Ap` aythn thn prospaqeia, ejairese to PASOK, kaq` oti fobismeno. Qa eixe poiotikh diafora ayth h synenteyjh, an prosdiorizate poioi einai aytoi kai poia einai ta Mesa.

ANTWNAROS: Egw th briskw mia qaymasia synenteyjh.

SIDERHS: Den antilegw, kai egw.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, osoi den th diabasan, na th diabasoyn toso leptomereiaka oso th diabasa kai egw prin apo ligo.

SIDERHS: Epi lejei sas diabasa to apospasma.

GALIATSATOS: Ennoeite oti den diabazoyme leptomereiaka; Oti den kanoyme kala th doyleia mas; Giati mas to epanalambanete kaqe fora.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa osoi den thn exoyn diabasei.

GALIATSATOS: Qelw mia dieykrinish s` ayto. Kaqe fora poy erxomaste edw, mas lete ``diabaste to prosektika, den to exete diabasei kala'' k.lp. Qelete na peite oti h ellhnikh dhmosiografia den diabazei prosektika tis synenteyjeis twn Ypoyrgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn arxaia ellhnikh yparxei h ekfrash ``ekastos af` eaytoy peirazetai''.

SOYGLERHS: Einai ejorgismenos o Prwqypoyrgos me ola ayta ta gegonota, toso to perasmeno Sabbatokyriako otan ekane mia dihmerh periodeia sta Giannena, oso kai ayto to Sabbatokyriako se epishmh episkech kai pisw toy, ston eswteriko xwro, diamorfwneto olh ayth h katastash me kontres, jespasma kata twn Ypoyrgwn; Einai pros ton k. Karamanlh h pros sygkekrimena proswpa Ypoyrgwn kai Dioikhtwn; Mporeite na dieykrinisete ayth th diafora;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn apodidete ston Prwqypoyrgo ypotiqemena synaisqhmata ta opoia den ejwterikeyei o idios.

SOYGLERHS: Omws, kyrie Ekproswpe, h orgh kai to jespasma twn prwtoklasatwn, qa elega, syndikalistwn exoyn kapoioys apodektes. Mporeite na toys katonomasete;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

SOYGLERHS: Exoyn kapoioys apodektes. Den mporei@

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ermhneysw dhlwseis h ekdhlwseis syndikalistikwn stelexwn. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, oti ta aithmata poy ekfrazoyn oloi oi syndikalistikoi foreis, h kybernhsh kai ta akoyei kai ta sebetai. Alla h kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras.

SOYGLERHS: Dierwthqhke h kybernhsh ean olo ayto to diasthma, to oktamhno, oloi oi aytoi oi syndikalistes exoyn kanei kroyseis kai einai kleistes oi portes gi@ aytoys poy exoyn sthrijei ayth thn paratajh gia na ftasei sthn ejoysia;

ANTWNAROS: Opote xreiazetai na yparjei epafh, ayth yparxei. Alla kai oi syndikalistes antilambanontai, profanws, oti ta aithmata toys ta akoyei kai ta sebetai kaneis otan proballontai h ypoballontai syntetagmena.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh katadikazei tis apodokimasies enantion sygkekrimenoy Ypoyrgoy -kai ayto synebh, giati to eidame oloi- poy akoysthkan sto Synedrio ths DAKE; Aporriptei ayta ta syndikalistika stelexh poy proskeintai sth Nea Dhmokratia kai poy symperiferqhkan me enan tetoio tropo se ena sygkekrimeno Ypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ypeiselqw se analysh ths diadikasias poy akoloyqhqhke kata to Synedrio ths DAKE.

SARANTAKOS: Einai diadikasia apodokimasias;

ANTWNAROS: @Oxi. Oles oi symperifores prepei na diakrinontai omws apo kosmiothta.

SARANTAKOS: @Ara, ta katadikazei h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi symperifores prepei na diakrinontai apo kosmiothta, se ola ta epipeda ths koinwnikhs kai politikhs zwhs.

SARANTAKOS: Einai mia systash pros toys syndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai gia kamia systash. Prokeitai gia mia diapistwsh. Kai opws emeis edw symperiferomeqa me kosmiothta, etsi perimenoyme kai se ola ta epipeda ths koinwnias h symperifora na xarakthrizetai apo kosmiothta.

XIDIROGLOY: Eipate ``diapistwsh''. Ti akribws diapistwnete;

ANTWNAROS: Gia poio pragma;

XIDIROGLOY: Eipate ``kanw mia diapistwsh''.

ANTWNAROS: Diapistwsa oti emeis edw symperiferomeqa o enas pros ton allo me kosmiothta. Sas fainetai toso periergo;

SIDERHS: Sthn idia synenteyjh, o k. Ypoyrgos eipe oti apokatasthsate thn ajiopistia sto ejwteriko. Shmera, ta ``NEA'' exoyn ena dhmosieyma poy afora th Eurostat kai sas katalogizei afenos oti den dinete kai eseis swsta stoixeia, afeteroy qewrei oti o tropos ypologismoy twn ejoplistikwn dapanwn htan pio swstos epi PASOK. Exete kapoia apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekdoqhke, prin apo ligo, anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn sxetika me to qema. Lew mono toyto, epeidh prohgoymenws se allh moy anafora o k. Galiatsatos, o opoios an den kanw laqos paristatai edw ws ekproswpos twn ``NEWN'', diamartyrhqhke: Thn anakoinwsh ayth th qewrw katapelth oson afora thn taktikh paroysiashs twn basikwn dhmosionomikwn megeqwn apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Enw, antiqetws, epidokimazetai h apofash ths neas diakybernhshs gia thn akribh, kata to dynaton, emfanish twn megeqwn. Ayth einai h dikh mas apoch.

SIDERHS: Epi ths diadikasias, an epitrepete. Den erxomaste ws ekproswpoi Meswn. Den ekproswpw to staqmo moy, edw.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws ekproswpeite ena meso enhmerwshs.

SIDERHS: Den ekproswpw to staqmo moy edw, sas parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai ekproswpeite to staqmo sas.

SIDERHS: Oxi, ton ekproswpw texnika. Mh mas katalogizete@

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia diapisteyshs gia to press-room.

SIDERHS: Safws. Texnikh einai h ekproswphsh.

ANTWNAROS: Eiste diapisteymenos gia sygkekrimeno Meso. Kai speydw na pw oti, basei ths praktikhs poy akoloyqhqhke panta, dikaiwma erwthsewn exoyn osoi einai diapisteymenoi. Opws gnwrizete, hmoyn ki egw, gia polla xronia, diapisteymenos sto press-room.

SIDERHS: Qelw na sas pw oti tis erwthseis mas den tis xrewnetai to Meso poy mas stelnei.

ANTWNAROS: Ekproswpeite to Meso. Sas epanalambanw oti dikaiwma erwthsewn exoyn aytoi poy einai diapisteymenoi. Etsi den einai;

TSIODRAS: Yparxoyn kleistes portes Ypoyrgwn sta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

TSIODRAS: Ara, loipon, exoyn adiko oi syndikalistes kai ta stelexh ths N.D. poy diamartyrontai.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ta stelexh ths N.D. exoyn prosbash pros ekeina ta stelexh ths N.D. sta opoia exei anateqei sygkekrimenos tomeas kybernhtikhs eyqynhs. H prosbash ginetai me tropo syntetagmeno. Ayto einai safes.

TSIODRAS: O k. Roysopoylos mila shmera gia organwmena kentra, ta opoia epitiqentai sth kybernhsh. Stis epiqeseis ths kybernhsh apo organwmena kentra perilambanontai kai ayta poy akoysthkan sto Synedrio ths DAKE h ayta poy eipe o k. Dhmhtrakopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos sth synenteyjh toy einai safhs.

SIDERHS: Den ta anaferei, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta hqele na anaferei, ayta anefere.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn Ejetastikh Epitroph: H efhmerida ``EQNOS'' shmera dhmosieyei tria eggrafa, ta opoia mporeite na mas peite giati den exoyn katateqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph; Den qewroyntai stoixeia ta opoia qa prepei na ajiologhsei h Epitroph ths Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h Ejetastikh Epitroph exei dikaiwma na zhthsei osa symplhrwmatika eggrafa krinei oti xreiazetai. Deyteron, h Ejetastikh Epitroph exei sygkekrimeno antikeimeno poy elegxei kai sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo, thn opoia, epishs, elegxei. Gia ta sygkekrimena eggrafa, entos ths epomenhs wras, qa doqei analytikh apanthsh apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

TSIODRAS: H ejetastikh epitroph gia na zhthsei kati qa prepei na jerei oti yparxei. Otan exeis enan fakelo me ta stoixeia ta kataqeteis sthn ejetastikh epitroph poy bgazei symperasma. Den mporei o boyleyths, poy einai sthn ejetastikh epitroph, na gnwrizei poia eggrafa yparxoyn h den yparxoyn sta syrtaria toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta aparaithta eggrafa exoyn katateqei sthn ejetastikh epitroph.

TSIODRAS: Kai poios krinei poia einai aparaithta;

ANTWNAROS: O fakelos einai plhrhs.

TSIODRAS: Ma, leipoyn ta sygkekrimena eggrafa.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti h ejetastikh epitroph exei ws antikeimeno na elegjei sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh to ``EQNOS'' apokalyptei tria ntokoymenta, yparxei kai ena qema politikhs oysias, oti o k. Sphliwtopoylos- anejarthtws ths ejetastikhs h oxi, den exei enhmerwsei thn koinh gnwmh gi ayta. Giati ayta ta eggrafa, kai to Febroyario kai ton Aprilio toy 2004, deixnoyn oti ta antallaktika einai etoima na ta paralaboyme ki emeis den ta paralambanoyme kai to systhma einai etoimo gia th diasyndesh kai h ellhnikh pleyra den proxwrhse se ayto.

ANTWNAROS: H anakoinwsh poy qa ekdoqei se ligo qa apanthsei oti h eyqynh den anhkei sthn ellhnikh pleyra. Ta eggrafa ayta den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

SARANTAKOS: Diaceydete to gegonos oti yparxoyn; Epeidh einai qema ajiopistias gia ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Ta shmerina sxolia poy dhmosieyontai se efhmerida anaforika me th dhqen epityxh epixeirhsiakh dokimh toy systhmatos TOR-M1 kai th dhqen arnhsh paralabhs antallaktikwn toy systhmatos TOR-M1 ek meroys toy GES apo th rwsikh etaireia den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

IWANNOY: Mporeite na mas peite giati;

ANTWNAROS: Gia perissoteres leptomereies apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada mas eixate pei oti to eggrafo to opoio eixe doqei sth dhmosiothta kai htan toy antiproedroy ths rwsikhs kybernhshs, den eixe kamia isxy.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h dhlwsh moy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Omws, yparxoyn dhmosieymata poy lete oti oxi mono eixe isxy, alla oysiastika htan@

ANTWNAROS: Poia dhmosieymata;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Nomizw oti shmera dhmosieyontai sto ``EQNOS'' .

ANTWNAROS: Epikaleiste isxyrismo ths rwsikhs kybernhshs. Aytos den ginetai apodektos apo thn ellhnikh pleyra.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ayto na mas to jekaqarisete

ANTWNAROS: Ean hsastan edw h ean eixate diabasei thn enhmerwsh ths prohgoymenhs Paraskeyhs qa gnwrizate akribws thn apanthsh. Basei ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias apodekth einai mia: H trapezikh eggyhsh. Se ejairetikes periptwseis ginetai dekth kai h kratikh eggyhsh. Epistolh, h opoia periexei eyxologia den synista eggyhsh. Oyte basei ths ellhnikhs, oyte basei ths rwsikhs nomoqesias.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh, ean ena kratos leei oti gia emas eggyhsh einai ayto, emeis den to dexomaste;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai oxi.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Pote egine gnwsto ayto, pera apo th stigmh poy to eipate eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Jafnika anekyce ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. H prohgoymenh kybernhsh eixe apodexqei, xwris na exei kanena dikaiwma, thn en logw epistolh. Ayto, allwste, einai antikeimeno --metajy allwn-- toy elegxoy ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs: Dhladh oti apodexqhke ws eggyhsh ena aney nomikhs shmasias eggrafo.

SPYRAKH: Me basei ola ayta poy legontai edw, kai me basei thn ejelijh ths ejetastikhs, qa hqela na moy peite pws blepete to klima twn ellhno-rwsikwn sxesewn enocei ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa;

ANTWNAROS: To klima twn ellhno-rwsikwn sxesewn einai poly kalo. Opws sas eipa kai thn Paraskeyh ayto poy orismenoi kykloi prospaqoyn na anagagoyn ws basiko qema twn ellhno-rwsikwn sxesewn den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kanw mia ypoqetikh erwthsh:Sthn episkech poy qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos, enas Ellhnas dhmosiografos rwthsei sxetika me ayta ta eggrafa poy exoyn dwsei, ean gia th rwsikh kybernhsh einai eggyhsh h oxi. Kai mas dwsei epishmws, paroysia toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, h rwsikh kybernhsh mia apanthsh poy anaferei, nai gia emas ayto apotelei eggyhsh. Poia einai h stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Qa pate me th dhmosiografikh apostolh sth Mosxa;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Nai.

ANTWNAROS: Otan qa pate me ton Prwqypoyrgo sth Rwsia, den exete para na kanete thn erwthsh.

IWANNOY: Lete oti h ejetastikh epitroph ereyna sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma. Omws, otan o k. Sphliwtopoylos dinei sth dhmosiothta eggrafa, poy den aforoyn ayto to sygkekrimeno diasthma, alla to diasthma ths dikhs toy qhteias, opws katalabainete sthn prajh empleketai h ereyna ths ejetastikhs me thn trexoysa epikairothta kai th qhteia toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy. Mhpws qa eprepe telika na epektaqei h ereyna (den akoygetai), giati ayth th stigmh exoyme dyo phges. To ypoyrgeio Amynas kai ta melh ths ejetastikhs gia tote kai gia twra.

ANTWNAROS: H ejetastikh epitroph exei sygkekrimeno antikeimeno to opoio den allazei ek twn ysterwn.

LEONTITSH: Sxetika me tis eggyhseis poy eipate, alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti ekproswpoi ths rwsikhs etaireias eferan ton perasmeno Ioylio eggyhtikh epistolh kai se apanthsh o k. Zormpas zhthse 40 ekatommyria dolaria prostimo gia thn kaqysterhsh poy eixe shmeiwqei;

ANTWNAROS: Aytos einai dikos sas isxyrismos, poy akoyw gia prwth fora. Synepws den ton epibebaiwnw.

LEONTITSH: Yparxei kai akomh mia plhroforia poy mporeite na th diaceysete, oti to Septembrio esteile epistolh sth Mosxa o k. Zormpas, me thn opoia zhtoyse ek neoy ta 40 ekatommyria dolaria@.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia to idio qema. Sas eipa oti den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia.

LEONTITSH: O Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei sto synedrio toy SYN;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

IWANNOY: Qelw na rwthsw gia th synenteyjh toy k. Roysopoyloy, , ekei poy apanta gia ta epikoinwniaka. An katalabainoyme kala, opws th diabasame, o k. Roysopoylos apodidei eyqynh xwrista se kaqe ypoyrgo kai se kaqe ypoyrgeio gia ton tropo me ton opoio epikoinwnei, legontas oti den einai dikh toy doyleia, alla doyleia twn ypoyrgwn. Paradexetai h qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxei problhma epikoinwnias se epipedo ypoyrgwn, xwrista;

ANTWNAROS: Den leei ayto o k. Roysopoylos. O k. Roysopoylos leei kati entelws diaforetiko, oti dhladh --sas to lew, kapws aplopoihtika-- kaqe ypoyrgos exei o idios thn eyqynh ths epikoinwnias ston tomea poy diaxeirizetai. Thn kentrikh eyqynh exei, bebaiws, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos poy ekfrazei thn kentrikh politikh ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Oi dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy den periexoyn kamias morfhs momfh pros ypoyrgoys.

KAKALHS: Poioys logoys exoyn ta diaplekomena na balloyn kata ths kybernhshs ejaitias toy nomosxedioy gia to basiko metoxo, opws leei o k. Roysopoylos sth synenteyjh toy, shmera, afoy to periexomeno toy nomosxedioy gia to basiko metoxo paramenei eptasfragisto mystiko; Gia poioys logoys, loipon, na epiteqoyn ta diaplekomena sthn kybernhsh ejaitias aytoy toy nomosxedioy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei diakhryjei thn proqesh ths na katapolemhsei th diaplokh kai na ejasfalisei th diafaneia. Ayto kai mono, opws katalabainete, gemizei me anhsyxia osoys qewroyn eaytoys diaplekomenoys.

KAKALHS: Qa proxwrhsei, dhladh, h onomastikopoihsh twn metoxwn h qa katarghqoyn oi ejwxwries etaireies;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na perimenete thn kataqesh toy nomosxedioy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Me bash to eggrafo twn ``NEWN'', tiqetai qema Giwrgoy Alogoskoyfh; Exei ypoballei thn paraithsh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Parakalw na mhn me rwtate kaqe hmera ean qa paraithqei h qa apomakrynqei kapoios ypoyrgos. Den tiqetai kanena qema paraithshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh mas eipate prin sthn erwthsh gia ton k. Meimarakh oti o k. Meimarakhs den ta exei pei ayta poyqena, sas diabazw thn erwthsh poy toy egine shmera apo ta ``Nea'': Enantion poiwn strafhkate me osa eipate sto Synedrio ths DAKE gia orismenoys ypoyrgoys kai dioikhtes poy den exoyn brei to sxhmatismo poy xreiazetai; Kai h apanthsh toy k. Meimarakh, den einai diaceysh. Leei, enantion kanenos proswpika. ``Xtyphsa to kampanaki gia osoys legetai oti arnoyntai na synergastoyn, oti den katanooyn ta problhmata''. Dyo erwthseis panw se ayto: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs panw se ayto; Kai deyteron, sas antapodidw ayto poy moy eipate prohgoymenws oti ``opoios exei th myga mygiazetai'', sthn arxaia ellhnikh, qa sas to pw se nea ellhnikh ``osa den ftanei h alepoy, ta kanei kremastaria'', orismenes fores, etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas na peite sthn aiqoysa ayth o,ti qelete. Qa sas balw fimwtro; Qelw, omws, na epishmanw to ejhs: An diabasete kai pali th dhlwsh poy diabasate, anaferei th lejh ``legetai''. Den yioqetei o k. Meimarakhs tipota apo ayta gia ta opoia erwtatai.

GKOYTZIANHS: An akoysame kala th dhlwsh leei ``xtyphse to kampanaki''. Poios einai o k. Meimarakhs kai ``xtypa to kampanaki'' gia ypoyrgoys; Mhpws yparxei ena qema tajhs edw pera;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Meimarakhs einai palaio kai koryfaio stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Exei asfalws to dikaiwma --kai apo th qesh toy Grammatea toy kommatos-- na ekfrazetai me ton tropo poy ekeinos prokrinei. Efoson den qeloyme na baloyme fimwtro se kanenan edw sthn aiqoysa, qa baloyme fimwtro ston k. Meimarakh;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mia aporioyla: An den exoyn prosbash ta ``dika sas paidia'' stoys ypoyrgoys, o ypoloipos kosmos ti kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa kati tetoio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den to eipa egw, oi syndikalistes to eipan.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis to lete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi. Egw proswpika den lew tipota.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti prosbash exei kapoios poy zhtei, eite ws atomo, eite ws omada mia synanthsh, ena ranteboy me syntetagmeno tropo. Yparxoyn diadikasies poy prepei na akoloyqoyntai kai isxyoyn gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

XIDIROGLOY: To ``syntetagmena'' emena proswpika me parapempei se ena eidos tajhs. Ayto aisqanomai. Moy fernei sto myalo moy th stratiwtikh qhteia moy kai tetoia pragmata. Ti ennoeite ``syntetagmena''; ``Syntetagmena'' , loipon, einai na zhtaei enas poliths h ena stelexos, sthn kalyterh periptwsh, ranteboy kai na mhn to exei pote;

ANTWNAROS: ``Syntetagmena'', epeidh xrhsimopoihsa th lejh-kleidi ``ranteboy'', shmainei akribws thn thrhsh twn diadikasiwn. Zhtei kapoios ena ranteboy. Orizetai to ranteboy. En synexeia, ginetai h synanthsh.

XIDIROGLOY: Kai na mhn diamartyretai, otan den mporei na dei kapoion poy qelei.

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se ayqaireta symperasmata, ta opoia den proerxontai apo emena.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy boyleyth ths N.D. k. Zaxarakh, o opoios sthn oysia leei oti oi syndikalistes qeloyn mia apokatastash gia toys diwgmoys poy eixan ypostei;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh poy anaferete. Opws einai fysiko, den mporw na gnwrizw oles tis dhlwseis twn boyleytwn poy ginontai kaqe hmera.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Thn ekane sthn thleorash.

ANTWNAROS: Den amfisbhtw oti thn ekane, alla egw den th gnwrizw, synepws den mporw na th sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Eixan ypostei diwgmoys ta syndikalistika stelexh ths N.D.;

ANTWNAROS: Synexizete se mia erwthsh, thn opoia sas eipa oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Den zhtaw sxoliasmo. Rwtw, ean gia thn kybernhsh eixan ypostei diwgmoys ta syndikalistika stelexh toy kommatos.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, allh erwthsh.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Xqes, to MEGA metedwse thn plhroforia oti yparxei proqesh ths Oyasigkton, h enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn gia thn Toyrkia na paei ena xrono meta. Exei kapoia tetoia plhroforia h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforia kai oyte mporw na thn epibebaiwsw.

GALIATSATOS: Epanerxomai sto eggrafo poy dhmosieyoyn shmera ta ``NEA'' kai sas ypenqymizw th dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh thn Paraskeyh oti den yparxei kanenas kindynos parapomphs ths xwras sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Epeidh htan arkoyntws kathgorhmatikh, epimenei h kybernhsh se ayth th qesh oti den yparxei tetoios kindynos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Alogoskoyfhs, thn Paraskeyh to brady.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gia thn ekqesh toy Steit Ntipartment, sxetika me ta Skopia, exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Se poia ekqesh toy Steit Ntipartment anafereste;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Poy anaferei oti sto parelqon ta edafh ths FYROM eftanan boreia ths Makedonias kai notiodytika ths Boylgarias.

ANTWNAROS: Poy dhmosieyqhke ayth h ekqesh;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Se istoselida.

ANTWNAROS: Den thn exw dei. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

GALIATSATOS: Kai se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh twn TOR @ M1, prosdoka h kybernhsh oti qa parei kapoioy eidoys eggyhsh sto tajidi sth Mosxa kai me dedomeno oti symfwna me plhrofories, tis opoies mporei kai na diaceysete, alla prepei na tis anaferw, oi Rwsoi exoyn apokleisei to oti qa dwsoyn kapoia trapezikh eggyhsh; Ti eidoys eggyhsh qa einai ayth; @H qa akyrwqei h symfwnia, se periptwsh poy den qa parete thn eggyhsh poy qelete;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai thn Paraskeyh oti to qema twn eggyhsewn den einai qema diapragmateyshs se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy. H ellhnikh pleyra ejakoloyqei na epimenei oti nomimh eggyhsh, basei twn ellhnikwn nomwn, einai kat@ arxas h trapezikh eggyhsh. Se ejairetikes periptwseis mporei na ginei dekth h kratikh eggyhsh, h opoia omws prepei na exei th morfh diakratikhs symbashs twn Ypoyrgeiwn Oikonomikwn twn dyo xwrwn kai na periblhqei oloys ekeinoys toys typoys poy apaitoyntai, symfwna me to nomo.

GKOYTZANHS: Asxeta me to ean einai ekqesh toy Steit Ntipartment h kapoia allh, dhmosieyqhke sto site toy Steit Ntipartment, h apoch mallon toy Steit Ntipartment gia to parelqon twn Skopiwn kai mexri poy eftanan.

ANTWNAROS: Den thn exw dei. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas pw.

Sas eyxaristw.


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