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Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-11-06

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 6 Noembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 104535826

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 09:15, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn k. Nikhta Kaklamanh, kai stis 12:30, opws hdh sas exw pei apo xqes, me th Genikh Grammatea toy KKE k. Aleka Paparhga.

" Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs me qemata poy aforoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. O armodios Ypoyrgos k. Kontos, exei hdh kanei dhlwseis ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy. Megalo meros ths syzhthshs analwqhke stis prospaqeies poy prepei na kanei h ellhnikh Politeia, synexizontas aytes poy hdh exoyn arxisei gia thn enisxysh ths ellhnikhs kthnotrofias.

" Apo xqes, ofeilw mia apanthsh ston k. Stamatopoylo, sxetika me to ean oi epixeirhseis sthn Aigialeia exoyn entaxqei sta metra gia tis pyroplhktes perioxes. Me bash deltio typoy poy ejedoqh apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias stis 24/10/2007, exei hdh gnwstopoihqei edw kai meres ayth h apanthsh. Apo to Ypoyrgeio, loipon, dinetai h dynatothta ryqmishs me eynoikoys oroys twn ofeilwn pros tis trapezes kai xwris thn eggyhsh toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy mexri toy posoy twn 25 ekatommyriwn eyrw ana epixeirhsh kai twn 100 xiliadwn eyrw ana emporikh epixeirhsh kai epaggelmatia. Gia thn perioxh ths Aigialeias toy nomoy Axaias, ypagontai oi epixeirhseis kai oi epaggelmaties twn dhmwn Aigioy, Akratas, Diakoftoy, Sympoliteias, Erhnaioy kai Aigeiras. Exw mazi moy kai to deltio typoy, alla kai th sxetikh apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn h opoia, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, ferei hmeromhnia 24 Oktwbrioy, dhladh prin apo liges hmeres.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Poia einai h ektimhsh ths kybernhshs gia ta osa symbainoyn sta Zwniana; Exete thn ektimhsh oti prokeitai gia enan akhryxto polemo metajy astynomikwn arxwn; Einai ena kaqara astynomiko qema -na to pw etsi- h exei eyryteres koinwnikes kai politikes epiptwseis; Ti ektimhsh kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Paylopoylos exei kanei hdh analytikes dhlwseis, prin apo liga lepta, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy stoys dhmosiografoys poy htan ekei. Qa meinw se ayta. Nomizw oti exei erwthqei kai gi` ayto to qema poy anaferete. Se kaqe periptwsh omws, epitrecte moy na shmeiwsw oti h Astynomia den kanei polemo me kanenan, den exei anoixtoys logariasmoys me kanenan, den einai proswpiko qema. Einai zhthmata poy aforoyn sthn thrhsh twn nomwn kai ths tajhs.

KORAH: Qa meinw sto idio qema. Yparxei pantws kai mia politikh anoxh, h opoia anagnwrizetai apo oloys sth sygkekrimenh perioxh. Qelw ena sxolio ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kamia politikh anoxh apo thn kybernhsh Karamanlh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yphrxan xqes dhlwseis se ola ta thleoptika kanalia kai shmera yparxoyn kai reportaz stis efhmerides poy afhnoyn yponooymena oti sthn ypoqesh ths Krhths yphrxe akoma kai politikh prostasia twn drastwn. Ena sxolio ep` aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na kanw sxolio epi feromenwn dhlwsewn. Den gnwrizw poioi exoyn kanei tetoies dhlwseis. En pash periptwsei, qa meinw se ayta ta opoia eipa prohgoymenws kai exei pei kai o armodios Ypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den yparxei kamia politikh anoxh apo thn kybernhsh Karamanlh. Afhnete kapoion ypainigmo gia prohgoymenes kybernhseis; To prwto poy qa hqela na dieykrinisete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To dieykrinizw eyqews. Milw gia thn kybernhsh Karamanlh, Ekproswpos ths opoias, allwste, eimai.

KAKALHS: To deytero: Einai stis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs h antimetwpish toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, toy ypokosmoy, na to pw etsi, giati mexri twra den fainetai na exei tetoia apotelesmata, oxi mono sthn periptwsh twn Zwnianwn, alla kai eyrytera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An moy epitrepete, nomizw oti adikoyme thn Ellhnikh Astynomia, dioti mporei na einai qemata poy mas apasxoloyn elaxista emas edw sto press room. Alla oi synadelfoi sas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Tajhs gnwrizoyn poly kala tis megales epityxies poy exei h Ellhnikh Astynomia se antistoixes periptwseis. Molis prosfata, gia paradeigma -oloi to diabasame- synelhfqh enas apo toys gnwstoys kakopoioys, o opoios katazhteito gia para poly kairo. Yparxei mia seira apo epityxies.

KAKALHS: Ayto, ean moy epitrepete, yparxei kai mia seira allwn stoixeiwn poy deixnoyn tis diasyndeseis, na to pw etsi, mesa apo thn Astynomia me to organwmeno egklhma. Prosfato paradeigma, ta symbolaia qanatoy klp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti anafereste se memonwmena peristatika, giati se oles tis koinwnies yparxoyn parabates, akoma kai se oles tis koinwnikes omades. Stis epaggelmatikes omades sigoyra yparxoyn parabates. H anafora omws stoys parabates aytoys den mporei na kathgoriopoiei syllhbdhn ws parabates oloys toys ergazomenoys sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia, opws den kanei kapoios kati tetoio gia ergazomenoys se opoiodhpote allo dhmosio h idiwtiko organismo.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mas eipate oti h kybernhsh Karamanlh den deixnei anoxh. Mhpws omws deixnoyn anoxh oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias kai twn allwn kommatwn oi opoioi eklegontai sth sygkekrimenh perioxh opoy yparxei ayto to kratos en kratei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ypainisseste. Alla, sas lew jekaqara...

KORAH: Eyqews to lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy to lete eyqews. Me rwtate mhpws deixnoyn anoxh kapoioi apo toys boyleytes. Den gnwrizw ti ennoeite. Egw sas lew oti se ena qema to opoio gnwrizoyme oloi mas, h antidrash htan ayth poy eprepe kai qa synexisei na einai ayth poy prepei.

KAKALHS: Se allo qema. To problhma den einai an jeroyme ton ``KAPODISTRIA 2'' alla oti me to sxoleio poy exete ftiajei den jeroyme ton Kapodistria genika. Prokeitai gia ysterografo apo thn anakoinwsh toy Syntonistikoy Agwna Sxoleiwn Peiraia. Qa qelate na kanete kapoio sxolio panw se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Sebomai kaqe apoch kai eimai bebaios oti kai oi anqrwpoi poy grafoyn ayto to eggrafo sebontai kai tis dikes moy apoceis.

KAKALHS: Epishs, mhpws qelete na mas peite an kata thn ektimhsh sas yparxei kapoia sxesh anamesa ston ``KAPODISTRIA 2'' kai stis armodiothtes poy qa dwsei h kybernhsh gia thn Paideia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei hdh polla pragmata gia ta ths Paideias aytes tis hmeres. Den qa prosqesw tipote perissotero. Kanw mia anafora ston ``KAPODISTRIA 2'', oxi tyxaia, dioti htan ena apo ta aithmata ta opoia akoysthkan stis prwtes katalhceis pro oligwn hmerwn. Ayth htan kai h anafora moy ston ``KAPODISTRIA 2'', nomizw adiamfisbhthth. Eidate oloi sas allwste, eimai bebaios, ayth thn eikona se thleoptika deltia eidhsewn h thn akoysate se radiofwnika deltia eidhsewn, tis prwtes hmeres. Ayth einai loipon h anafora. Apo kai pera o kaqenas bgazei ta symperasmata toy.

KAKALHS: Htan prosxhma h anafora ston ``KAPODISTRIA 2''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws.

KAKALHS: Nai, oi maqhtes sas apantane, an diabasete thn anakoinwsh gia ton ``KAPODISTRIA 2'': ``Jeroyme oti an ta sxoleia mas perasoyn stoys dhmoys, ayto qa pei pws den qa exoyn lefta ola ta sxoleia. Qa caxnoyn xorhgoys. Qa bazoyn oi goneis mas akomh pio baqia to xeri sth tseph''. Ayto, eseis mporeite na to diaceysete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio lew einai oti h dhmosia dwrean Paideia einai diasfalismenh apo thn Politeia. Apo kei kai pera, ean kapoios qelei na briskei profaseis h prosxhmata gia na mhn mpainei sta sxoleia kai kata synepeia na mh maqainei -arnoymenos to maqhma-to poios htan o Kapodistrias kai h syneisfora toy sto neo ellhniko kratos, einai diko toy qema. Einai eleyqeros na to prattei.

RABANOS: Sto idio qema qa parameinw. Milhsate prin apo liga deyterolepta gia profaseis, opws kai xqes kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Epimenete sth grammh oti oi katalhceis ypokinoyntai, giati xqes, ena kybernhtiko stelexos o Ypoyrgos Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Sphliwtopoylos, proserxomenos sto Koinoboylio synesthse cyxraimia kai eipe oti oi katalhceis den ypokinoyntai. To sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy peite se poia dhlwsh moy mexri twra exw pei kati tetoio, opws ayto poy anaferate; Qa perimenw ws to telos toy briefing gia na moy th diabasete.

RABANOS: Ti ennoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipate an emmenw se mia grammh. Ayto den me rwthsate;

RABANOS: Oxi, an h kybernhsh emmenei sth grammh peri ypokinhshs katalhcewn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anterwtw, loipon, kai qa perimenw...

RABANOS: Epishma apo ta xeilh sas ``ypokinhsh katalhcewn'' den exei eipwqei. Alla apo ta symfrazomena ayto katalabainoyme oloi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara den yparxei kai erwthma.

ROYMELIWTHS: Xqes, sto London School of Economics, erwthqhke h k. Mpakogiannh gia to pws blepei thn idea anadeijhs gynaikas prwqypoyrgoy sth xwra mas. Eipe oti gia thn wra den yparxei qema diadoxhs kai oti den eynooyntai tetoies prwtoboylies gynaikwn. Allwste den yparxei oyte gynaika ypochfia apo to PASOK. Ena sxolio gia th dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: De qa kanw kapoio sxolio. Me rwtate gia ta pragmata poy einai aytonohta se mia Dhmokratia; Se mia Dhmokratia oloi exoyn dynatothtes na diekdikhsoyn.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anhsyxoyn thn kybernhsh ws pros th dhmioyrgia klimatos perissotero oi xqesines dhlwseis toy Mhtropolith Anqimoy, poy oyte ligo oyte poly, zhthse diekdikhsh edafwn ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: De gnwrizw tis dhlwseis stis opoies anafereste. Se kaqe periptwsh, gnwrizete oti de sxoliazw antistoixes dhlwseis.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa sas qymisw oti ofeilete sthn ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' mia apanthsh, edw kai treis ebdomades. Eixate desmeytei ap' ayto to bhma, oti kapoia stigmh qa eixame mia apanthsh ths kybernhshs gia th symbash mamoyq twn 230 ekatommyriwn eyrw poy me apeyqeias anaqesh thn phre h etaireia INTRALOT.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa desmeytei kai to qymamai poly kala oti qa bgei kapoia anakoinwsh apo thn OPAP AE, h opoia einai anwnymh etaireia me dioikhsh kai eishgmenh sto Xrhmatisthrio. Kai eixa pei sth synexeia erwthmatwn dikwn sas kai thn idia kai thn epomenh mera - nomizw treis meres syzhthsame to qema- oti katopin aytwn twn opoiwn dhlwsewn ths OPAP AE ean xreiastei qa kanw kai egw dhlwsh ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Den exw na pw tipote ayth th stigmh.

KORAH: Perimenoyme dhladh akomh ton OPAP;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exei, hdh, kanei kapoies dhlwseis. Exoyn ekdoqei kapoies anakoinwseis.

KORAH: Oxi, apo tote poy milhsame, kamia allh dhlwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Perimenete ligo.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Symfwna me osa dhmosieyontai shmera ston ``ELEYQERO TYPO'', feretai o k. Mpoyrantas, o Nomarxhs Eyboias na exei dwsei kapoia kondylia ta opoia ypotiqetai oti proorizontan gia apokatastash pyroplhktwn perioxwn gia thn kataskeyh sxoleiwn ta opoia fainetai kaqe allo para pyroplhkta einai. Antiqeta h kataskeyh toys eixe jekinhsei apo to 2003. Qa hqela na jeroyme an katarxas, ayta ta stoixeia einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs kai an entelei o k. Nakos exei parei ton apologismo poy exei zhthsei apo ton k. Mpoyranta kai toys ypoloipoys nomarxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto, nomizw oti katallhlotero na apanthsei einai to Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Einai ejeidikeymeno qema. Se o,ti afora to deytero qema, de gnwrizw an mexri stigmhs exei ftasei sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. Qa perimenoyme, giati akoysa kai egw ayto poy eipate xqes, oti qa stalei shmera sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn katastash twn ergwn poy eginan apo th sygkekrimenh nomarxia meta tis pyrkagies.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa anazhthqoyn eyqynes gia ton tropo me ton opoio organwqhke h apostolh twn dynamewn sta Zwniana, dedomenoy oti arketoi apo toys astynomikoys htan aplws eidikoi froyroi kai oxi ekpaideymenoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis oi idioi oi dhmosiografoi, polles fores -sas parakoloyqw sta grapta sas h sas blepw stis thleoraseis- lete oti oi dhmosiografoi ginontai kata kairoys syntagmatologoi, seismologoi, klp. Qa hqela na mhn arxisoyme se ayth th fash na syzhtoyme gia to pws prepei na ginetai mia astynomikh epixeirhsh. Oyte eseis, oyte egw eimaste oi katallhloteroi na to poyme ayto. Kai nomizw oti prepei kapoios na afhnei toys armodioys, opws einai h astynomia, na ergazontai me ton tropo ekeino o opoios einai o endedeigmenos. Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw, opws eimai bebaios oti oyte kai eseis  kai pisteyw kai kaneis allos se ayth thn aiqoysa- to poioi einai oi endedeigmenoi tropoi na ginei mia astynomikh epixeirhsh. Den einai doyleia mas, den einai doyleia moy, den einai doyleia sas. Nomizw oti ayth einai h eykolh kathgoria, kaqe fora, enantion ths astynomias h enantion opoiasdhpote allhs yphresias wsan emeis na gnwrizoyme th monh alhqeia. Kai aytoi poy asxoloyntai epi xronia, poy eixan ekpaideytei, poy exoyn metekpaideytei, poy exoyn empeiria polles fores se tetoies periptwseis wsan aytoi na mh gnwrizoyn, loipon, einai kati poy den tairiazei oyte se sas, oyte kai se mena.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy: Den jerw ean exei teqei prohgoymenws h erwthsh, gia to gegonos oti ayth h katastash diaiwnizotan epi xronia kai nomizw oti htan gnwsto sthn Politeia, dhladh kai sth Dikaiosynh kai sthn Astynomia, qewreite oti yparxoyn eyqynes kai gia th Dikaiosynh kai gia thn Astynomia gia to gegonos oti ayth h katastash diaiwnizotan mexri twra, mexri ayto to symban, to prosfato;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipote poy na einai mia eykolh kritikh. Exei hdh kanei dhlwseis o k. Paylopoylos. Oi dhlwseis toy k. Paylopoyloy kalyptoyn synolika thn kybernhsh gia to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh jerw tis dhlwseis toy k. Paylopoyloy kai afhnei ypainigmoys kai aixmes kai apodidei eyqynh sthn oysia kai gia thn Politeia kai gia th Dikaiosynh kai gia thn Astynomia. Mono poy oi aixmes aytes symperilambanoyn akoma kai toys ypoyrgoys ths dikhs sas kybernhshs, gi` ayto kai ginetai h sygkekrimenh erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai kaqoloy bebaios oti exete katalabei kala tis dhlwseis toy k. Paylopoyloy. Ean tis exete akoysei, bebaiws...

PALAIOLOGOS: Tis exw akoysei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ypotimw, dhladh, th nohmosynh kanenos edw, gia na mhn parejhghqw.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa epanelqw sth dhlwsh sas oti h kybernhsh Karamanlh den edeije anoxh sta Zwniana kai sto idiotypo ayto kaqestws poy epikratei ekei. Qa hqela, oxi shmera giati ypoqetw oti den mporei na eiste proetoimasmenos, estw se ena epomeno briefing, na mas peite ti akribws exei kanei h kybernhsh Karamanlh ayta ta teleytaia tessera xronia gia na antimetwpisei to sygkekrimeno idiotypo kaqestws poy einai para poly epikindyno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh apanthsei se ayto o k. Paylopoylos nwritera. Den qa to epanalabw, giati nomizw oti gnwrizete toylaxiston mia energeia ths kybernhshs, gia to pws eprepe na lyqei ena problhma poy eixe dhmioyrghqei sto sygkekrimeno xwrio apo ton ``Kapodistria 1''. Pros Qeoy, den prepei na dhmioyrgoyntai lanqasmenes entypwseis. Ayto poy ginetai twra kai oxi me eyqynh dikh sas h dikh moy, alla nomizw pws dhmioyrgeitai sthn atmosfaira, einai h aisqhsh oti ena xwrio einai eknomo. Den isxyei kati tetoio. Den prepei h kathgoria ayth na perilabei oloys toys katoikoys enos xwrioy. To ean kapoioi parabates briskontai se ena xwrio, ayto den shmainei oti olo to xwrio qa to sthsoyme ston toixo h sta eji bhmata. Pros Qeoy!

KAKALHS: Ayth h en leykw anaqesh olhs ths ypoqeshs sthn Astynomia, den ypodhlwnei mia astynomikh antilhch, proseggish, toy oloy problhmatos; Kai oi politikes eyqynes gia to gegonos oti den exei antimetwpistei to zhthma - na to pw etsi- ths egklhmatikothtas sthn perioxh tosa xronia, den shmainei oti yparxoyn kai politikes eyqynes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pepoiqhsh mas einai oti se mia Dhmokratia toys egklhmaties -toys emporoys narkwtikwn, gia paradeigma- h Astynomia einai ayth poy toys syllambanei. Den qa steiloyme boyleytes, oyte stelexh enos kommatos, oyte ypoyrgoys na toys syllaboyn. Ma mia astynomikh epixeirhsh einai.

KAKALHS: Koitajte ta apotelesmata. Tosa xronia einai, den einai twra. Me sygxwreite, ma exei apodeixqei sthn prajh oti einai adynaton na toys antimetwpisei. Yparxei adynamia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, gia na katalabw, to zhtoymeno poio einai; Oti den eprepe na ginei ayth h epixeirhsh h den prepei na ginei;

KAKALHS: Oxi, h kybernhsh ti kanei. Eseis eprepe na kanete th dikh sas doyleia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh, loipon, elabe mia apofash dia toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. O armodios ypoyrgos elabe mia apofash kai proxwraei na lyqei ena zhthma. Den einai h prwth fora. Den einai, dhladh, kati poy ginetai gia prwth fora sthn Ellada. H kybernhsh ayth lambanei apofaseis, opws lambanoyn apofaseis kai ta armodia organa kai opws ofeiloyn na lambanoyn apofaseis ta armodia organa.

KAKALHS: Den ofeilete mia apanthsh giati tosa xronia den exei antimetwpistei to problhma; Einai kaqara astynomiko qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia poio problhma milate; Giati ean eidate, eseis oi idioi ta reportaz poy grafete kai paroysiazete stis thleoraseis kai perysi - to 2006 nomizw- egine mia antistoixh epixeirhsh kai katasxeqhkan kapoies ekatontades dendrylliwn xasis sthn idia perioxh.

KAKALHS: Ayto htan olo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``ayto htan olo''; Eilikrina den katalabainw ti ennoeite. H parabatikothta antimetwpizetai, allote me apotelesmatikotero tropo, allote me ligotero apotelesmatiko. Shmasia exei na yparxei apofash na antimetwpizetai h parabatikothta. Kai ayth h apofash einai emfanhs.

KAKALHS: Xwris apotelesmata, omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei kataggelia syndikalisth apo thn pleyra twn eidikwn froyrwn sto Reqymno poy leei oti o astynomikos dieyqynths ths perioxhs toy Reqymnoy eixe proxwrhsei se synennohsh -gia na to pw etsi, politika orqa- me tis oikogeneies twn feromenwn ws parabatwn. Qelw na rwthsw, ean thn kataggelia ayth thn ereyna h kybernhsh. Kai qelw na rwthsw, epishs, ean isxyei h eikona poy yparxei oti metebh h metabainei sthn Krhth o k. Xhnofwths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tetoioy eidoys kataggelies -ean yparxoyn- ereynwntai apo th Dikaiosynh. Kai eimai bebaios oti ean exei ginei tetoia kataggelia, qa exei ginei kai pros th Dikaiosynh. Den gnwrizw. Ennoeite kataggelia se dhmosia dhlwsh;

SPYRAKH: Dhmosia dhlwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti o anqrwpos poy analambanei thn eyqynh na pei kati tetoio exei tis plhrofories, tis opoies mporei na proskomisei kai sth Dikaiosynh. Kai einai eyxhs ergo na yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy dinoyn plhrofories sth Dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai tetoioy eidoys egklhmatikes energeies.

SPYRAKH: Gia to deytero, an qa metabei o k. Xhnofwths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.


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