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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-01

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 1 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 145888520

Ekdosh 1

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 1h Ioylioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. O k. Alogoskoyfhs, ejerxomenos, exei hdh kanei dhlwseis.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 09.30, qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths Norbhgias k. Gionas Gkarstor. Stis 10.30 qa exei synanthsh, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Arxiepiskopo Boreioy Amerikhs k. Dhmhtrio kai stis 12.00 qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias toy Irak k. Talampani.

Me aformh th xqesinh erwthsh toy k. Roymeliwth, sxetika me ta stoixeia gia toys pyroplhktoys, exw na sas pw ta ejhs: Ola ta stoixeia sxetika me tis eisfores kai tis dapanes toy Eidikoy Tameioy Antimetwpishs Ektaktwn Anagkwn periexontai analytika sthn istoselida toy Tameioy. Ekei anagrafontai me kaqe leptomereia epakribws ta posa kai poy exoyn diateqei. Ypenqymizw oti h kyria, alla oxi monadikh proteraiothta toy Tameioy einai  symfwna me kybernhtikh apofash- h xrhmatodothsh ths anakataskeyhs kai episkeyhs twn kamenwn spitiwn mesw toy YPEXWDE. H ektamieysh twn poswn ths xrhmatodothshs pros toys dikaioyxoys ginetai  fysika analoga me to ryqmo ypobolhs twn sxetikwn aithsewn kai thn periodo twn oikodomikwn ergasiwn- se treis doseis ap` eyqeias stoys idioys toys idiokthtes. Meta apo arxitektoniko diagwnismo, brabeythkan opws gnwrizete, 15 montela spitiwn, se diafora megeqh. Gia osoys dikaioyxoys epilejoyn proairetika ena apo ayta ta montela, diatiqentai dwrean h arxitektonikh kai h statikh meleth. Analytika, se o,ti afora to synolo twn eisforwn kai twn tokwn, to poso htan 197.924.970, 69 eyrw.

Dapanes mexri 31/12/2007, analytika:

" Promhqeia zwotrofwn se plhgentes kthnotrofoys kai melissokomoys se ennea nomoys: 4 ekatommyria eyrw.

" Kalych dapanwn antidiabrwtikwn ergwn sthn Arxaia Olympia: 2.761.395 eyrw.

Dapanes apo 1/1 ews 31/5/2008:

" Xrhmatodothsh programmatos anakataskeyhs kai episkeyhs kamenwn spitiwn mesw YPEXWDE: 10 ekatommyria eyrw.

" Xrhmatodothsh Dhmoy Gortynos gia antiplhmmyrika erga kai erga apokatastashs zhmiwn  symfwna me epiqymia twn dwrhtwn ginetai ayth h xrhmatodothsh- 2 ekatommyria eyrw.

" Xrhmatodothsh Dhmoy Arxaias Olympias gia thn proetoimasia ths teleths Afhs ths Olympiakhs Flogas -symfwna me epiqymia twn dwrhtwn kai edw- 150.000 eyrw.

" Xrhmatodothsh dhmotikoy diamerismatos Palaiobarbasainas Dhmoy Pyrgoy gia thn anaplash ths plateias  symfwna me thn epiqymia twn dwrhtwn- 79.000 eyrw.

" Xrhmatodothsh Perifereias Dytikhs Elladas gia antidiabrwtika erga ekteloymena sto nomo Hleias apo dasikoys synetairismoys, 4.457.032 eyrw.

" Epixorhghsh antikatastashs ekskaftikoy mhxanhmatos idiwth, poy katastrafhke olosxerws se prospaqeia katasbeshs pyrkagias, 30.000 eyrw.

" Epixorhghsh anakataskeyhs Ieroy Naoy Agias Paraskeyhs dhmotikoy diamerismatos Graikas Dhmoy Skalloyntos nomoy Hleias  apodoxh dwreas ypo oroys- 100.000 eyrw.

" Xrhmatiko brabeio stoys 15 diakriqentes ston Panellhnio Arxitektoniko Diagwnismo ``Sxediasmos protypwn katoikiwn gia toys katoikoys twn perioxwn poy eplhghsan apo tis katastrofikes pyrkagies toy 2007'': 45.000 eyrw.

" Xrhmatodothsh programmatos anakataskeyhs kai episkeyhs kamenwn spitiwn mesw toy YPEXWDE, 5.500.000 eyrw.

" Agora 10 gewrgikwn elkysthrwn kai mhxanhmatwn apokatastashs daswn, ta opoia qa diateqoyn sth Dasikh Yphresia toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs -apodoxh dwreas ypo oroys - 440.300 eyrw.

Synolo dapanwn 29.562.727,53 eyrw.

Ypoloipo logariasmoy thn 31h Maioy 2008, 168.362.243,16 eyrw.

Den qa sas pw alla, gia na mhn sas koyrasw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, an katalaba kala, to tameio exei ginei ena ypokatastato toy Kratikoy Proypologismoy. Xrhmatodotei erga poy eprepe na dinontai apo ton Kratiko Proypologismo, opws ta antiplhmmyrika, ta antidiabrwtika klp. Ayta einai erga poy eprepe kanonika na frontisei o Kratikos Proypologismos na xrhmatodothsei kai oxi to tameio ayto, to opoio einai gia thn anakoyfish twn plhgentwn h opoia exei kaqysterhsei. Ena xrono meta, akomh den exei doqei, para mono ena elaxisto poso gi` ayto to skopo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na eixa thn timh na me parakoloyqoysate ligo perissotero, eidika eseis. Epanalambanw, loipon: Xrhmatodothsh dhmoy Gortynos gia antiplhmmyrika erga (ayto poy me rwthsate) kai erga apokatastashs zhmiwn -opws qa deite kai sthn prwth apomagnhtofwnhmenh anafora moy- symfwna me epiqymia twn dwrhtwn. To eipa. Exw diabasei toylaxiston pente periptwseis, ek twn opoiwn oi treis einai ``symfwna me epiqymia dwrhtwn'' kai oi dyo einai ``apodoxh dwreas ypo oroys''. Ofeilei, loipon, h Politeia na sebastei toys dwrhtes, otan epiqymoyn ta xrhmata toys na pane sth dhmioyrgia antiplhmmyrikwn ergwn h sth dhmioyrgia allwn ergwn, sta opoia anaferqhka prohgoymenws analytika, mhn sas koyrasw na ta janapw.

KAKALHS: Ara, den dinontai gia thn anakoyfish twn pyroplhktwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Eipa prohgoymenws sthn arxh ths eisagwgikhs moy omilias, oti kyria alla oxi monadikh proteraiothta toy Tameioy, einai -symfwna me kybernhtikh apofash- h xrhmatodothsh ths anakataskeyhs kai episkeyhs twn kamenwn spitiwn mesw toy YPEXWDE. Na sas dwsw kai ena stoixeio parapanw, gia na exete: Symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exw mexri shmera to prwi, apo 1.300 spitia poy ypesthsan zhmies, ta 500 exoyn katastrafei oloklhrwtika kai ta ypoloipa exoyn ypostei merikes zhmies. Apo toys dikaioyxoys, peripoy oi misoi exoyn proselqei na zhthsoyn th sxetikh xrhmatodothsh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati enw yphrxan anafores kai ston Typo kai diafores fhmes gia tajidi ypoyrgoy thn epimaxh periodo sth Germania, giati kaqysterhse toso poly na ginei mia atyph ereyna apo to Megaro Majimoy gia na mas peite xqes oti den prokyptei na exei ginei ena tetoio tajidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy den kaqysterhse. Apo thn prwth stigmh poy rwthqhka, apanthsa. Otan rwthqhka, apanthsa.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Exoyn yparjei dhlwseis boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, metajy aytwn o k. Giannopoylos kai h k. Pipilh, oi opoioi zhtoyn na bgei monos toy o ypoyrgos kai malista na paraithqei. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa analytika xqes.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayto to tajidi sto opoio anaferqhke h grammateas toy k. Xristoforakoy htan gia na parakoloyqhsoyn oi anqrwpoi toys opoioys anaferei kai o ypoyrgos ayto to synomospondiako prwtaqlhma poy ginotan sta ghpeda ayta. Ekeinh thn periodo htan sto ghpedo, toylaxiston, ths Leicias kai parakoloyqhse ton agwna Brazilias-Elladas k. Liaphs. Eseis ereynhsate gia to ean endexomenws einai ayto to onoma toy ypoyrgoy to opoio anaferetai kai ti symbainei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa analytika xqes. Emeis exoyme kanei thn ereyna mas. Qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa kai xqes: Me fhmes den ginetai politikh, oso kai an prospaqoyn kapoioi na thn kanoyn. Den jerw poioi einai aytoi. Nomizw oti o kaqenas, apo toys dhmosiografoys toylaxiston, htan se qesh thn perasmenh ebdomada na diapistwsei poioi prospaqhsan na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis. Dhmioyrghqhkan fhmes oi opoies aggijan proswpa, perissotera toy enos, kai oi fhmes aytes apodeiknyetai  apo th dikh sas thn ereyna eimai bebaios oti apodeiknyetai- oti den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Pantws, kai apo thn ereyna ths kybernhshs ayto apodeiknyetai.

KORAH: Stis 19/6/2005 politiko paraskhnio ths ``Kyriakatikhs Eleyqerotypias'', anaferei oti o tote Ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Liaphs htan sth Leicia gia na parakoloyqhsei ton agwna Ellada-Brazilia. Einai kai ayto fhmh kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Alla, an to syndyasete me ola ta ypoloipa ta opoia anaferqhkan aytes tis hmeres, antilambaneste kai eseis -prwta eseis antilambaneste- ti entypwsh dhmioyrgeitai. Egw, loipon, den protiqemai na symmetexw sth dhmioyrgia fhmwn. Kai eimai bebaios oti kai h sobarh dhmosiografia den qelei na dhmioyrgei fhmes, oi opoies einai anypostates kai qigoyn ypolhceis.

XIWTHS: Gia na jedialynoyme, loipon, tis fhmes kyrie Ypoyrge, ap` ola ayta poy akoysthkan, toylaxiston twra se ayth th syzhthsh, prokyptei oti o k. Liaphs briskotan sto sygkekrimeno podosfairiko agwna, ekeinh thn hmera, alla den exei kamia sxesh me to tajidi poy organwse h Siemens. Dhladh, katebale ta ejoda metakinhshs, diamonhs toy h to eisithrio toy agwna apo dika toy ejoda. Katalabainw swsta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete allo erwthma h ayto einai to erwthma sas;

XIWTHS: Ayto einai to erwthma moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala, giati exete kanei, eimai bebaios, to reportaz, to ti akribws exei symbei. Ean egw apanthsw se tetoioy eidoys erwthmata, antilambaneste oti apo edw kai pera qa prepei na apantw giati kapoio stelexos ths kybernhshs, giati kapoios boyleyths, o opoios etyxe na brisketai se kapoio xroniko shmeio sthn idia perioxh me kapoio allo proswpo poy endexomenws ereynatai apo th Dikaiosynh, einai aqwos. Antilambaneste oti gyrizoyme se mia logikh Mesaiwna. Egw loipon, se ayth th logikh Mesaiwna den qa symmetasxw.

KORAH: Eiqistai oi Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi ypografoyn symbaseis, kai malista pollwn ekatommyriwn eyrw, na kanoyn tajidia me ta afentika h ta stelexh twn sygkekrimenwn etaireiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete na moy anaferete kapoio tetoio paradeigma;

KORAH: Kanw ena, katarxhn, geniko erwthma kai qelw thn apanthsh sas. An exw allo paradeigma qa fanei sth synexeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na rwthsete ekproswpo allhs kybernhshs toy parelqontos, oxi ton ekproswpo ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. An exete kapoio paradeigma, parakalw na moy to peite.

KORAH: Ean o k. Liaphs, ekei, htan parea me ton k. Xristoforako, yparxei hqiko problhma gia thn kybernhsh, an mh ti allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se erwthsh me to ``ean'', den qa apanthsw. Kai den qa apanthsw, paroti gnwrizw oti sth synexeia qa ginoyn sxolia. Alla, den qa apanthsw giati ayto to opoio anefera prohgoymenws sto synadelfo sas, einai h bash ths politikhs logikhs thn opoia, egw toylaxiston, ofeilw na akoloyqhsw ws dhmokratika skeptomenos poliths. Ofeilw na ereynw  kai ws dhmosiografos pisteyw oti kala kanete kai ereynate oloi oi dhmosiografoi, to idio ekana ki egw sth qesh sas- alla apo thn allh pleyra ofeilw na diakrinw tis katastaseis kai na mhn ``paizw'' paixnidi fhmwn. To ``paizw'' den anaferetai se esas proswpika. Anefera poly sygkekrimena xqes, oti ayto einai ena politiko paignio to opoio jekinhse apo poly sygkekrimeno politiko xwro.

GKOYTZANHS: Se sxesh me tis fhmes, ayto to qema den proekyce apo fhmes. Proekyce apo thn kataqesh ths grammatews toy k. Xristoforakoy, h opoia malista anefere ston Eisaggelea oti exei kai to apodeiktiko yliko. Den einai fhmes. Epishmh kataqesh ston Eisaggelea einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai, ean yparxei kati tetoio ston Eisaggelea kai exei kai apodeiktiko yliko, qa katateqei an den exei katateqei. Etsi den einai;

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla den einai fhmes omws ayta, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Zoyme oloi se ayth thn polh kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala se poio dhmosiografiko xwro entos ths Boylhs, thn perasmenh ebdomada, politikh proswpikothta arxise na leei diafora pragmata gia Ypoyrgo ths kybernhshs. To gnwrizete, to gnwrizoyme. To exw perigracei. Den qa anaferqw perissotero se ayto. Egw, loipon, o,ti exw na pw gi ayth thn ypoqesh, to eipa xqes, to exw pei tis prohgoymenes meres poy erwthqhka. Erwthqhka para polles fores apo esas, an yparxei ypoyrgos poy na meteixe se tajidi me ton sygkekrimeno kyrio, antiproswpo, dieyqynth h o,ti htan, ths SIEMENS sthn Aqhna. Sas eipa oti den yparxei. Synexizetai ayth h ypoqesh sth dhmioyrgia mias axlyos gyrw apo kapoio proswpo ypoyrgoy. Gnwrizete poly kala, loipon, ti exei symbei tis teleytaies hmeres ston topo mas. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti h ereyna thn opoian exei kanei kai h kybernhsh, alla kai eseis oi idioi  giati eimai bebaios oti exete milhsei ki eseis oi idioi me proswpa poy eneplakhsan se ayth thn istoria, oxi me dikh toys ypaitiothta- den apodeiknyei tipota tetoio. To antiqeto malista. Kai epanalambanw: Ean arxisoyme na syzhtame pote breqhke enas ypoyrgos sthn plateia Omonoias, sthn plateia Syntagmatos, sthn Agglia, sth Gallia, sth Germania kai thn idia periodo sthn idia perioxh htan kai kapoio allo proswpo poy, endexomenws einai ypo thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs h einai ypo thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, tote antilambaneste oti milame gia mia katastash h opoia den perigrafei me poly zwhra xrwmata th dhmokratikh antilhch.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qewreite oti htan swsth h stash toy Eisaggelea, otan toy eipe h martyras oti kai kapoios ypoyrgos symmeteixe, na mhn epimeinei na maqei poios einai aytos o ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis, profanws, exete prosbash sta arxeia toy Eisaggelews. Egw den exw prosbash. Qewrw oti h Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth kai den mporw na gnwrizw ti akribws rwthse kai ti apanthsh elabe. Ean eseis exete dedomeno ayto to opoio lete, einai bebaio oti qa kanete ta dika sas sxolia. Den qa probw se kanena sxolio gia toys logoys poy gnwrizete. Einai logoi arxhs na mhn sxoliazw th Dikaiosynh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas akoysa kala kai eipate prohgoymenws, se sxesh me th fhmologia gia to perifhmo tajidi, oti prokeitai gia ena paixnidi fhmwn to opoio jekinhse apo sygkekrimeno politiko xwro. Katanohto. Mporeite na moy peite omws an exete eseis apanthseis sto erwthma: Gia poio logo na stoxopoihqei sygkekrimeno politiko proswpo anwnyma kai malista kai xwris kostos gia ton feronta th fhmh kai gia poio logo dhladh, kai poia skopimothta ejyphretei; Na ton plhjei proswpika; Na plhjei thn kybernhsh; Den exw katalabei dhladh, efoson eipate einai ena politiko paignio. Poia h skopimothta olhs ayths ths kinhshs; H stoxopoihsh enos sygkekrimenoy proswpoy ypoyrgoy ths kybernhshs; Giati kaka ta cemata ayto oi dhmosiografoi to jeroyn poly kala oti yphrxe ws fhmh, ws fhmologia. Poios o logos na to prajei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den rwtate ayton poy jekinhse thn istoria kai rwtate emena;

PALAIOLOGOS: Proswpikws ton rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, giati me rwtate emena;

PALAIOLOGOS: Omologw, den to krybw, oti den phra kamia apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti epi tesseris hmeres ta dhmosiografika grafeia, oi efhmerides kai ola ta MME elegan oti qa doqoyn apodeiktika stoixeia sth Boylh gia tajidi ypoyrgoy. Etsi den einai; To qymamai kala; Kai edoqh ena apodeiktiko ``stoixeio'' to opoio thn idia hmera apedeixqh oti htan ceydes. Epi th basei, loipon, aytwn syzhtaei h politikh zwh toy topoy tis teleytaies hmeres. Gi ayto den qelw na metexw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos se ayth th diadikasia. Giati qewrw oti mia, tetoioy eidoys, syzhthsh ekfeygei twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn kai logikwn toy politikoy mas systhmatos. Gia pollosth fora jexwrizw mia kai kalh ta pragmata: Einai allo h dhmosiografikh ereyna, allo h metadosh h metafora fhmwn, allo h dhmioyrgia fhmwn gia sygkekrimenes skopimothtes -politikes h den gnwrizw ti alles mporei na yparxoyn- kai allo na symmetexei  toylaxiston egw eimai shmera Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos- o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos se ayth th diadikasia. Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, gia trith fora: Qewrw oti qa prepei oloi na analogistoyme kata poso, apo edw kai pera -ean kapoios perasei ejw apo to spiti sas h an kapoios breqei na einai ekei poy eiste ki eseis kai tyxainei na asxoleitai h Dikaiosynh mazi toy- exete ki eseis kapoioy eidoys eyqynh. Antilambanomai oti den exei thn idia barythta enas poliths me ena politiko proswpo. Alla, akribws epeidh den exei thn idia barythta, qa prepei kapoios na einai prosektikos kai stis dyo periptwseis.

KAKALHS: To gegonos oti h ypoqesh SIEMENS dhladh oi mizes poy doqhkan twn 100 ekatommyriwn, ap oti ypologizetai sta dyo megala kommata exei katanthsei na einai shmera to tajidi enos ypoyrgoy h oxi; Den einai enas ekfylismos ths olhs ypoqeshs kai den einai mia asfalhs endeijh oti h ypoqesh ayth odhgeitai sto arxeio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa shmeiwsw, pantws, oti einai mia para poly endiaferoysa proseggish ayth poy kanete sthn erwthsh sas. Den exw na dwsw apanthsh, alla symfwnw mazi sas oti einai mia poly endiaferoysa proseggish.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoia apanthsh sto PASOK se ayto poy yposthrizoyn stelexh toy oti ginetai epilektikh diarroh ths Dikaiosynhs; Xarakthrizei malista parwdia thn ypoqesh kai oti isxyoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Giati apo to ena komma bgainoyn onomata, enw apo to allo den exei bgei pros to paron tipota para mono fhmes gia diafora proswpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To PASOK, gia mia akoma fora, epibebaiwnei ton palio eayto toy. Ekei poy den to symferei kati, toy ftaiei h Dikaiosynh.

XIWTHS: Epitrecte moy na pw, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti h stash poy exei epilejei h kybernhsh, akoysa to skeptiko sas, exei mia logikh, alla syntelei sto na diaiwnizontai aytoy toy eidoys oi fhmes. Ap o,ti katalabainw apo thn ereyna poy exw kanei egw toylaxiston, einai oti pragmati diaceydetai h kataggelia oti ypoyrgos symmeteixe se tajidi poy organwse h SIEMENS gia to sygkekrimeno podosfairiko agwna, alla taytoxrona epibebaiwnetai oti kapoios ypoyrgos metebh sto sygkekrimeno paixnidi kai to parakoloyqhse. An o sygkekrimenos ypoyrgos ebgaine kai dhmosiopoioyse ta parastatika me ta opoia apodeiknyetai oti o idios plhrwse ola ta ejoda metabashs kai diamonhs toy, den qa yphrxan fhmes. Apo th stigmh poy den to kanei, den einai logiko kapoies apo tis fhmes na anakyklwnontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia poly megalh filosofikh syzhthsh mporei na jekinhsei apo ayto. Epeidh, omws tygxanei na exei ginei ayth h syzhthsh ston eyrwpaiko xwro, toylaxiston prin apo 3  4 aiwnes -kai miloysan gia to tekmhrio ths aqwothtas kai oxi gia to na apodeijei kapoios oti einai aqwos, alla gia na apodeijei kapoios allos oti einai aqwos aytos ton opoion ypainissontai oi kathgoroi- antilambaneste oti an thn jekinhsw ayth thn koybenta twra, den qa teleiwsoyme oyte to apogeyma to briefing. Kata synepeia, den qa prosqesw tipota perissotero sta osa exw pei mexri twra.

XIWTHS: Oyte o Ypoyrgos qa hsyxasei pantws, apo tis fhmes. Den sas paraponeitai idiwtikws oti talaipwreitai aytes tis hmeres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti den moy paraponeitai kanenas. Exw aristh synergasia me oloys toys Ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, opws ola ta teleytaia xronia, etsi kai twra kai se ayth thn periptwsh. Epitrecte moy na pw kati to opoia qa hqela na mhn to parejhghsete. Ki eseis kai alloi anqrwpoi, edw, se ayth thn aiqoysa, exoyn pesei qymata fhmwn. Kai einai poly prosfates aytes oi ypoqeseis. An, loipon, kapoios peftei qyma fhmhs den qa prepei na arxisoyme na kathgoroyme ayton poy epese qyma fhmhs. Qa prepei na arxisoyme na anarwtiomaste poios einai ekeinos o opoios diakinei tis fhmes kai ti logoys exei. Kai en pash periptwsei, apodeiknyetai tipota apo ola ayta; Exete hdh, dhladh, epi toy prakteoy, mia apodeijh gia to oti ayto to opoio kataggelqhke thn perasmenh ebdomada sth Boylh, thn idia kiolas hmera katerreyse. Kai den htan etsi opws proanaggellotan.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela mia dieykrinish gia na dw an exw katalabei kala ayta poy eipate. Mas lete oti o k. Liaphs htan ekei. To epibebaiwnete. Eide ayton ton agwna Ellada  Brazilia. Stis kerkides, endexomenws, kapoy dipla toy na htan kai o k. Xristoforakos alla den einai filoi, den ekanan parea. Swsta to katalaba h laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa tipota apo ola ayta poy eipate;

KORAH: Oxi, alla to kanw pio apla.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis qelete na moy balete sto stoma pragmata ta opoia den exw pei. O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Nomizw oti einai toso aplo kai toso katanohto poy idiaitera me thn eyfyia kai thn empeiria sas sth dhmosiografia to exete syllabei apo thn prwth stigmh.

KORAH: Epeidh dyskoleyomai qa sas kanw kai allo erwthma omws. Einai h den einai filoi o k. Liaphs me ton k. Xristoforako;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw, alla exei tyxei na symbei polles fores sthn politikh zwh toy topoy na kathgorhqei kapoios gia tis filies toy. Egw qa elega oti den gnwrizw an yparxei tetoia filikh sxesh. Den to gnwrizw. Qa elega oti aytoy toy eidoys oi praktikes h oi logikes epishs anagontai se alles epoxes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwnw mazi sas. Eipate prohgoymenws gia ton Mesaiwna, alla egw qa kanw mia erwthsh gia ton Ypoyrgo asxetws an ginw kakos gia to proswpo toy Ypoyrgoy. Giati tosh mystikopaqeia ek meroys toy gyrw apo ayto to tajidi, to opoio profanws ap o,ti fainetai den eixe...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tinos mystikopaqeia;

PALAIOLOGOS: Toy k. Liaph. To onoma eipwqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti shmainei mystikopaqeia; Dhladh kapoios kathgorei kapoion aoristws, xwris na exei to qarros, thn parrhsia na bgei na pei. As bgei, loipon, kapoios na pei dhmosiws oti exei symbei ayto ki ayto. Dioti akoma kai h kataqesh thn opoia epikalesthkate  egw den mporw na gnwrizw to anakritiko yliko, einai aporrhto- en pash periptwsei akomh kai ayto an symbainei kai exei katonomastei ypoyrgos, einai bebaio oti o Eisaggeleas poy dienergei thn anakrish qa steilei thn ypoqesh sth Boylh. An den exei katonomastei ypoyrgos, den qa ginei kati tetoio. Ara, loipon, janampainoyme sthn idia diadikasia.

GKOYTZANHS: Akribws ayto einai poy sas kathgorei to PASOK oti o eisaggeleas prostateyei ton ypoyrgo giati einai galazios, enw antiqeta kanei diaforetikoy typoy antimetwpishs twn stoixeiwn poy aforoyn to PASOK. Politikh einai h kathgoria poy sas apeyqynei h antipoliteysh. Epishs, sas apeyqynei thn kathgoria oti den xeirizetai eparkws olh ayth thn ypoqesh ths Siemens h Dikaiosynh kai oti h kybernhsh den kanei tipote gi` ayto. Sas anaferw mono oti leei pws th xeirizetai mono enas eisaggeleas, enw qa mporoysan na yparxoyn kai alloi, giati einai mia terastia ypoqesh poy exei para polles ptyxes, opws epishs oti h kybernhsh den kanei tipote enantion ths Siemens, h opoia diarreei stoixeia kai kathgorei ton politiko kosmo. Ayta einai erwthmata, ta opoia den ta exei apanthsei h kybernhsh, k. Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H eykolh lysh einai h epiqesh sth Dikaiosynh. Anaferqhka prohgoymenws sthn praktikh toy PASOK, thn opoia kai shmera epanalambanw. Einai mia eykolh lysh, h opoia omws den bohqa to PASOK. Kai den bohqa to PASOK, giati pisteyw oti oi Ellhnes polites, exontas mprosta toys ena mwsaiko qematwn kai ejelijewn, mporoyn na to symplhrwsoyn kai na bgaloyn ta symperasmata toys. Kai den bohqa kai ton topo etsi. H apajiwsh twn qesmwn den bohqa th Dhmokratia mas. Einai bebaio ayto gia thn poiothta ths.

KAKALHS: Sto erwthma poy pro oligoy qesate, to poios diakinei tis fhmes, exete eseis apanthsh san kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis, o,ti eixame na poyme, to eipe o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh sthn omilia toy, sth Boylh, sthn tritologia  an qymamai kala- kai anefera kai egw kati kai xqes kai shmera, edw. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ta teleytaia 24wra pragmatika to onoma toy k. Liaph einai sto epikentro twn syzhthsewn. Apo th mia, me thn kataggelia toy k. Karatzaferh sth synexeia, h opoia  symfwnw mazi sas- apodeixqhke gramma keno. Apo thn allh, me thn kataqesh ths grammatews toy k. Xristoforakoy, h opoia yposthrije oti tajidece ypoyrgos me tzet. Meta eixame th dhlwsh toy k. Laskaridh, o opoios eipe oti phge ena tzet, alla htan ths Aegean, to opoio plhrwsa egw kai phga me thn oikogeneia moy. Shmera, exoyme thn epibebaiwsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw, diabasa kai kati allo, paroti den anaparagw dhlwseis epixeirhmatiwn.

KORAH: Oxi. Sas dinw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo diabasa sth dhlwsh kai den yphrxe politiko stelexos kanenos kommatos.

KORAH: Nai, bebaiws. Den to apokryptw. Genikws, eipa ola ayta gia na perigracw to klima to opoio yparxei kai to opoio exei odhghsei se orgh polla stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias. To exete, prwton, antilhfqei ayto kai deyteron, akribws logw ayths ths orghs poy exoyn polla stelexh. Giati den bgainei enas ypoyrgos kai afoy aisqanetai oti einai kai kaqaros, apo thn prwth stigmh na pei, egw qa kanw kai agwges, den ekana, phga ekei to tajidi, phga me syggeniko moy proswpo kai eida ayto ton agwna kai mhn me mpleketai. Giati paizetai olo ayto to mysthrio twra, epi treis hmeres, petaei o ypoyrgos, den petaei; Dhladh, h diafaneia den prepei na fainetai kai stis prajeis; Mono sta logia, k. Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan yparxei kapoia eyqeia onomastikh kataggelia h kathgoria, pantote yparxei apanthsh. Eseis moy lete -me alla logia apo o,ti moy eipate prohgoymenws h moy eipan oi synadelfoi sas- na epanelqoyme se mia logikh Mesaiwna. Egw sas lew oti den qa prepei na epanelqoyme se ayth th logikh. Dhladh, den qa prepei na arxisoyme na syzhtame gia to poios einai aqwos, alla na syzhtame gia to an yparxei kapoios enoxos kai na milame eyqews me stoixeia. Eipate kati prohgoymenws, to eipa kai xqes: Sth dhmosia sfaira ofeilei kapoios na dwsei opoio stoixeio exei, prokeimenoy na parei kai tis apanthseis toy. Den mporw na paijw ayto to paixnidi. Kai nomizw oti einai epikindyno paixnidi gia thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas. Shmera, afora ena alfa politiko proswpo, ayrio qa afora ena bhta proswpo, xqes aforoyse ena gama proswpo. Den exei shmasia se poio xwro kineitai. Sth dhmosia sfaira kinoyntai polla proswpa apo diaforetika epaggelmata kai apo diaforetika leitoyrghmata. Antilambaneste oti me ayto to opoio moy lete einai ws na moy zhtate na anatrecw -na anatrecoyme oloi mazi dhladh- th logikh enos Dikaioy, toy dytikoy Dikaioy, toy eyrwpaikoy Dikaioy, panw sto opoio sthrixqhke h poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas;

KORAH: Den prepei na einai diafanhs h zwh enos politikoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai prepei na einai diafanh ta panta. Bgeite kai peite, loipon, oti exw stoixeia, oti o tade ypoyrgos, eite legetai Roysopoylos, eite legetai otidhpote, tajidece me ton tade epixeirhmatia kai ekane ayto kai ayto, gia na mporesei na antidrasei. Den einai dynaton na bgainei kapoios ypoyrgos h kapoios boyleyths, kaqe fora, kapoio komma kai na apantaei sth fhmologia ``eimai aqwos, den eimai enoxos''. Me sygxwreite, alla qewrw ayto ws basikh arxh ths Dhmokratias, toy Dikaioy. Qa ofeilame oloi na thn katanooyme kai na mhn xreiastei na epanelqw gia tetarth h pempth fora.

TSIOYFOS: Dhladh, an katalaba kala, qewreite oti einai qema diaforetikhs eyaisqhsias, as poyme, ayto poy ekane xqes se mia antistoixh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta qemata qesmwn mporei na epafientai sthn eyaisqhsia twn politwn, alla den einai qemata eyaisqhsias, einai qemata oysias. Oi qesmoi exoyn poly jekaqares kai katagegrammenes arxes.

TSIOYFOS: Symfwnw. Lew, omws, oti xqes, pali me fhmes, o k. Abramopoylos bghke kai eipe ``den me afora h fhmh peri xrhmatodothshs enos mikroteroy kommatos''. Rwthsa kai ton k. eisaggelea kai eipe oti den empleketai to KEP se aytes tis kataggelies. O k. Abramopoylos to ekane xqes, an kai peri fhmwn eprokeito kai ekei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, na qesete to erwthma sas. Gia na allajw apoch, den qa allajw.

TSIOYFOS: Oxi. Lew, diaforetika energei o enas ypoyrgos, diaforetika energei o allos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th basikh arxh toy Dikaioy poy sas eipa, opoy dhladh an kapoios einai aqwos, den ofeilei na bgainei kai na diatranwnei thn aqwothta toy, alla ofeilei opoioys diaspeirei fhmes h opoios ton kathgorei, na dhlwsei oti einai enoxos kai na apodeijei thn enoxh toy. Den protiqemai, den exw kai th nomikh gnwsh na sas pw thn alhqeia -den exw spoydasei nomika- na anatrecw ayth th basikh arxh toy Dikaioy, oyte dianooymai kan na apopeiraqw. Twra, opoioi apopeirwntai na thn anatrecoyn, einai eleyqeroi anqrwpoi, exoyn thn apoch toys, einai sebasto. Den prokeitai na pw tipote perissotero.

TSIOYFOS: Gi` ayto eipa oti einai qema diaforetikhs eyaisqhsias o k. Abramopoylos, me fhmes pali, bghke kai eipe ``den exw kamia sxesh''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Den qa allajw thn apoch moy.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei ereynhsei tis symbaseis poy exei ypogracei o en logw ypoyrgos me th Siemens;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na pws janagyrizoyme sto qema poy elega prohgoymenws. Exei hdh ekdoqei (apo thn perasmenh Kyriakh to meshmeri h to apogeyma) anakoinwsh apo ton OSE gia mia ypoqesh symbashs...

KAKALHS: Apokalyfqhke kai allh symbash twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... h opoia anakoinwsh, afoy ekdoqhke thn Kyriakh, apotelese th Deytera antikeimeno erwthshs, sto press room. Kai apanthsa kai egw, th Deytera. Exei doqei, loipon, apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Poia allh apanthsh; Yparxei kai allh symbash, opws apokalyfqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh, loipon, poy exei doqei einai ayth h opoia kai paramenei: Oles oi symbaseis poy eginan, opws eipe h dioikhsh toy OSE h to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn  nomizw oti htan to grafeio Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn- eginan sto plaisio ths ellhnikhs ennomhs tajhs kai twn koinotikwn kanonwn.

KAKALHS: Eipate gia symbash toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy, oxi toy Metaforwn. Ara, den kalyptetai me ayth thn anakoinwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to qema poy moy lete, an einai kati diaforetiko.

KORAH: Boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, o k. Tatoylhs, kalei ton Prwqypoyrgo na analabei prwtoboylia kai na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta oles oi symbaseis, oi opoies ypegrafhsan anamesa stis kybernhseis kai toy PASOK kai ths Neas Dhmokratias, mexri twra, me th Siemens. Poia einai h apanthsh sas; Den qa bohqoyse h dhmosiopoihsh ayth sth diafaneia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan qa ginei Ejetastikh Epitroph, efoson kriqei skopimo apo th Diakommatikh (opws gnwrizete, systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs), na ginei kati tetoio, qa ginei.

GKOYTZANHS: Kala twra, as mh milhsoyme peri fhmwn. Giati, apo o,ti katalaba pantws, qewreite fhmes to qema poy proekyce thn perasmenh ebdomada apo thn kataggelia toy politikoy stelexoys sth Boylh kai den apodeixqhke. Qema toy k. Karatzaferh, as to syzhthsei, alla oxi fhmes sto qema poy proekyce me tis sygkekrimenes kataqeseis ston eisaggelea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to exoyme lysei apo xqes. Ti ennoeite; Egw den mporw na gnwrizw...

GKOYTZANHS: Ennow oti einai dyo diaforetikes ypoqeseis k. Ekproswpe. H mia einai mia kataggelia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw poia einai h katastash. An eseis gnwrizete, dioti dhmosiografos eiste...

GKOYTZANHS: Egw gnwrizw, alla...

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... endexomenws h dhmosiografikh sas ereyna exei fqasei na exete sta xeria sas kai ta xartia. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio egw den mporw na to sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Lew oti einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Einai dyo diaforetika tajidia, einai dyo diaforetikes ypoqeseis. To ena, proekyce apo mia kataggelia toy arxhgoy toy LAOS sth Boylh kai aforoyse ena tajidi ypoyrgoy. Pragmatiko h laqos, fhmes, den jerw, den mas endiaferei. To deytero qema, proekyce apo ton eisaggelea, apo thn kataqesh enos sygkekrimenoy proswpoy poy phge me ta stoixeia toy ston eisaggelea. Ti allo na kanei; Ayto den lete kai eseis; Opoios exei stoixeia na paei sth Dikaiosynh; Ta phge sth Dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Den apanthsa otan rwthqhka gia to qema;

GKOYTZANHS: To erwthma moy einai gia th Siemens. Bgainoyn stelexh ths Siemens Germanias kai lene oti ta ellhnika kommata epairnan mizes kaqe xrono. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei kati gi` ayto, na strafei endexomenws dikastika enantion aytwn twn stelexwn h na kataggeilei tis symbaseis poy exei ypogracei h Siemens, mias kai mporei na yparxei yponoia oti einai apotelesma oxi swsths diapragmateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxei diadikasia h opoia exei jekinhsei apo to 2006 kai me th syndromh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs gia th diereynhsh aytwn twn ypoqesewn. Yparxei safhs, jekaqarh dhlwsh apo thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias. Yparxei mia apokalych apo thn pleyra ychlobaqmoy stelexoys epi para polla xronia ths nyn ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai prwhn kybernhshs toy PASOK. Yparxei ereyna h opoia synexizetai kai yparxei prooptikh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. O,ti einai na ginei, qa ginei sigoyra sto plaisio ths ereynas ths Dikaiosynhs kai sto plaisio ths ereynas ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

Sas eyxaristw.


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