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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-07-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 8 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 147119577

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 8 Ioylioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 10:00, qa exei synanthsh sto Megaro Majimoy, me antiproswpeia ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Xristianodhmokratikhs Enwshs kai stis 11:00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

" Qa hqela na kanw mia allh anakoinwsh poy afora to sxedio ``Perseas'': Einai kommati toy eyryteroy sxedioy politikhs prostasias toy sxedioy ``Jenokraths''. O ``Perseas'' einai to sxedio poy perigrafei ton tropo leitoyrgias kai apokrishs twn ygeionomikwn sxhmatismwn, dhladh nosokomeiwn kai Kentrwn Ygeias se periptwseis ektaktoy anagkhs. Skopos toy  qymizw- einai na prosdiorizei kai na analyei tis energeies antimetwpishs ektaktwn anagkwn se pollapla senaria. Na exei th dynatothta to nosokomeio na synexizei na parexei ena synolo apo krisimes yphresies se synqhkes ektakths anagkhs, na epitygxanetai plhrhs energopoihsh toy sxedioy se diasthma 1 ews 2 wrwn, akomh kai ektos twn synhqismenwn wrwn ergasias. O ``Perseas'' -kai ayto to anaferw eidika gia thn periptwsh toy kayswna- perilambanei epta senaria ektaktwn anagkwn. To senario 4 einai ayto poy afora thn antimetwpish toy kayswna. Sthn periptwsh ayth, oi Monades Ygeias prepei na ejasfalizoyn th synexh leitoyrgia olwn twn aparaithtwn ypodomwn, dhladh klimatistikwn monadwn, hlektrikwn gennhtriwn kai efedreiwn aytwn, systhma ydreyshs, cyktikwn qalamwn, mhxanwn paragwghs pagoy k.l.p. Na periorizoyn ta taktika xeiroyrgeia kai na einai etoimes na ypodexqoyn, efoson yparxei klimatizomenos xwros, oxi mono atoma poy paroysiazoyn symptwmata apo tis ychles qermokrasies, alla kai osoys anhkoyn se omades ychloy kindynoy kai den exoyn tis proypoqeseis antimetwpishs twn ychlwn qermokrasiwn ston topo poy diamenoyn. To Eqniko Kentro Epixeirhsewn Ygeias ekdidei, kata topoys, eidikes odhgies gia thn antimetwpish toy kayswna kai enhmerwnei synexws toys ygeionomikoys sxhmatismoys kai toys polites. Ayta sas ta eipa dioti, opws gnwrizete oloi apo thn perasmenh ebdomada, oi probleceis ths metewrologikhs yphresias dinoyn oti shmera kai ayrio anamenoyme kyma kayswna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Ektos apo thn energopoihsh toy sxedioy ``Perseas'' apo to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai tis odhgies poy edwse gia thn aytoprostasia, den yparxei sto sxedio ths kybernhshs h entolh gia na diakoptontai oles oi ypaiqries kai oi alles ergasies panw apo toys 38oC gia na prostateysei toys ergazomenoys poy doyleyoyn se synqhkes kayswna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Genikh odhgia den yparxei. Kata periptwsh -opws synebh ston persino kayswna- lambanontai metra, opoy kai efoson ayto kriqei aparaithto. Paradeigmatos xarin, shmera kai ayrio, me apofash toy Dhmoy Aqhnaiwn, den ergazontai, apo tis 10 to prwi ews tis 4 to apogeyma, oi ypallhloi stis yphresies prasinoy kai aytepistasias.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h kybernhsh qewrei h oxi ligo akomco na dinei o proedros toy EBEA odhgies kai ypodeijeis enwpion toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ston Prwqypoyrgo, gia to ti prepei na kanei me ta politika proswpa poy antilambanontai thn politikh ws meso ploytismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai giati eseis antilhfqhkate oti oi odhgies aforoysan ton Prwqypoyrgo. Se kaqe periptwsh, opws gnwrizete, den kanw sxoliasmo dhlwsewn proedrwn, forewn k.o.k.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas xqes sto EBEA, metefere thn aganakthsh twn politwn enanti ths aisxrokerdeias. Aytos einai o rolos toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Na metaferei thn aganakthsh twn politwn gia thn aisxrokerdeia h na proteinei sygkekrimena metra gia thn antimetwpish ths; Giati den akoysa na proteinei kati sygkekrimeno mprosta stoys epixeirhmaties.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos den xreiazetai na proteinei kati sygkekrimeno sth sygkekrimenh anafora. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia genikh anafora sto qema. H kybernhsh, dia toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy, exei proteinei mia seira apo metra, kai kapoia apo ayta exoyn arxisei na efarmozontai. Gnwrizete para poly kala -milame gia thn akribeia- oti einai ena kyma akribeias poy plhttei olh thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai alles perioxes toy kosmoy, logw ths yperbolika megalhs ayjhshs poy exei parathrhqei stis times toy petrelaioy. Ta metra, opws gnwrizete, exoyn anakoinwqei apo kairo, exoyn arxisei na efarmozontai ta perissotera apo ayta kai katagrafontai hdh kapoia prwta apotelesmata.

KAKALHS: Exete na peite kati sto 80% twn politwn poy qewroyn oti h xwra badizei se laqos kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste profanws se kapoia dhmoskophsh. Eixa thn eykairia xqes, alla kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, na kanw eidikes anafores sto qema twn dhmoskophsewn.

MELIGKWNHS: Pws sxoliazete th stash toy PASOK kai toy SYRIZA poy qetoyn ws proypoqesh th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs prokeimenoy na symmetasxoyn sth diakommatikh poy proteine xqes o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti einai profash kai einai mia emfanhs apodeijh apo praktika gegonota. Osoi apo esas exete parakoloyqhsei sto parelqon Ejetastikes Epitropes, eite ws dhmosiografoi toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz eite askwntas to leitoyrghma sas, gnwrizete oti xreiazetai enas megalos xronikos orizontas prokeimenoy mia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia na oloklhrwsei tis ergasies ths. Dhladh, mporei na fqasei kai toys eji, oktw h kai ennea mhnes (analogws tis Ejetastikes Epitropes) enw gia na proxwrhsei h nomoqethsh newn metrwn ta opoia qa bohqhsoyn sthn enisxysh twn kanonwn diafaneias, xreiazetai poly mikrotero xroniko diasthma. Eipa kai xqes -kai to epanalambanw kai shmera- oti ta kommata exoyn mprosta toys dyo mhnes kairo wste na epejergastoyn, sto eswteriko toys, protaseis. Kai molis anoijei h Olomeleia, dhladh se peripoy 2 - 2,5 mhnes apo twra, na einai oloi etoimoi na eishghqoyn aytes tis protaseis sth Diakommatikh Epitroph kai entos toy Oktwbrioy, to argotero to Noembrio, na exei ginei nomos toy kratoys opoio apo ta stoixeia, poy qa proteinoyn ta kommata, qewrhqei apo th Diakommatikh Epitroph oti prepei na perilhfqei sthn enisxysh twn qesmikwn kanonwn. Otan o xronikos orizontas gia na oloklhrwqei h qesmikh ayth prwtoboylia einai molis 2, 3, 4 maximum mhnes mprosta mas  ennow oti o xronikos orizontas mias Ejetastikhs Epitrophs einai poly megalyteros- antilambanetai kapoios oti miloyn gia diafaneia, alla thn pragmatikh diafaneia den thn epidiwkoyn sthn prajh. Lypoymai, alla qa epanalabw oti, idiaitera h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh htan ekeinh poy, edw kai sxedon tessera xronia, arnhqhke thn opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia qemata diafaneias, me aformh thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Kai arneitai, gia mia akomh fora, na symmetasxei sta osa mporoyn, peran toy Syntagmatos, na qesmoqethqoyn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Meta kai tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Tatoylh, pisteyete oti qa htan xrhsimo na epistrecei sthn Koinoboyleytikh sas Omada o k. Koykodhmos; Kai yparxei tetoia diadikasia ayth th stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte gi` ayto den qa kanw kapoio sxolio.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, efoson den proselqoyn sth systash ayths ths diakommatikhs epitrophs to PASOK kai o Synaspismos, opws proanhggeilan xqes stis anakoinwseis toys, h kybernhsh ti qa kanei; Qa eishghqei metra apeyqeias gia na nomoqethqoyn apo th Boylh; Qa proxwrhsei se mia Epitroph sthn opoia den qa metexoyn ta dyo apo ta pente koinoboyleytika kommata; Ti akribws qa kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Problepetai ston kanonismo ths Boylhs oti efoson ginei syzhthsh sth diaskech twn proedrwn kai den synainesoyn ta kommata, tote ginetai mia syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Emeis, pantws, se kaqe periptwsh, ws kybernwn komma qa proxwrhsoyme sth systash omadwn ergasias  exei hdh ginei ayto- etsi wste na diatypwsoyme tis poly sygkekrimenes protaseis mas sthn enarjh ths neas periodoy ths Boylhs, otan qa mporei na syzhthqei to qema ayto sthn Olomeleia ths. Ara loipon qa proxwrhsoyme.

MELIGKWNHS: Se kaqe periptwsh paramenei anoikto gia thn kybernhsh to endexomeno systashs Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, opws exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, meta thn oloklhrwsh toy ergoy ths Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai paramenei anoikto. Kai epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora poly pio syntoma, oti h men Diakommatikh Epitroph mporei na exei oloklhrwsei to ergo ths, poy einai qesmiko ergo, se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, dhladh entos toy fqinopwroy. H de Ejetastikh Epitroph sigoyra qa kaqysterhsei perissotero. Akomh kai an jekinoyse shmera h Ejetastikh Epitroph ayth qa kaqysteroyse poly perissotero apo tis qesmikes allages. Gi` ayto kai prokalei entypwsh giati h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh arneitai na symmetasxei, gia mia akomh fora, stis qesmikes aytes allages.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me sygxwreite, alla an katalaba kala, eseis qa proxwrhsete sth Diakommatikh, h opoia mallon qa syzhthsei metra prolhptika gia to politiko xrhma, h th diafaneia se sxesh me th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn. Ayto einai ena shmeio, to opoio exei na kanei me to mellon. H Ejetastikh, omws, exei na kanei me prajeis poy exoyn symbei sto parelqon. Dhladh gia prajeis, paralhceis, anomhmata, paranomies. Qelw na pw oti allos den einai o stoxos ths Diakommatikhs kai allos ths Ejetastikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To lete para poly swsta, alla nomizw oti qa htan pio karpoforo, an to legate sto briefing toy ekproswpoy Typoy toy PASOK.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tyxainei kai eimai mono sto briefing to diko sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Elpizw na mh sas einai basano ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kaqoloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Exete apolyto dikio. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. To men ena exei na kanei me thn enisxysh twn qesmikwn metrwn poy exoyn lhfqei ta teleytaia xronia, to de allo exei na kanei me mia poly sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. An pragmatika endiaferei thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh h enisxysh twn qesmikwn metrwn  kai leei oti thn endiaferei- tote den exei para na symmetasxei sth Diakommatikh. Alla apodeiknyetai oti mallon den thn endiaferei epi ths oysias, alla epi twn entypwsewn, dioti arnhqhke na symmetasxei sth syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos poy eixe akribws ayto to antikeimeno. Kai twra arneitai na symmetasxei kai sth Diakommatikh Epitroph.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to barometro ths KAQHMERINHS deixnei oti o dikommatismos pernaei mallon mia krish -krisara dhladh deixnei- en pash periptwsei pws kanena apo ta dyo megala kommata den qa exoyn aytodynamia stis epexomenes ekloges. Epeidh gnwrizw, opws mas exete pei oti einai antikeimeno, einai ergaleio aytes oi dhmoskophseis, ti symperasma bgazete ap` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To symperasma einai ayto to opoio bgazoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Yparxei mia epifylaktikothta twn politwn, thn opoia epifylaktikothta ta kommata ofeiloyn na jeperasoyn. Na dhmioyrghsoyn, dhladh, stoys polites th bebaiothta -oxi aplws entypwseis me megala logia- oti epiqymoyn na kinhqoyn me kanones diafaneias. Na enisxysoyn aytoys toys kanones, efoson xreiazetai kai opoy xreiazetai kai epiqymoyn na apodeijoyn sthn prajh ayto. Milaw gia ta kommata. Se o,ti afora th Nea Dhmokratia, to kybernwn komma, ayth einai h proqesh mas. Einai mia proqesh h opoia den emeine sta logia, alla exei proxwrhsei sta erga. Kai ta erga, sas qymizw oti exoyn apo mona toys dwsei apanthsh se osoys kathgoroys eykola lene logia. Sas qymizw oti yparxei mia seira apo metra, qa sas ta diabasw kai qa sas ta qymisw me bash tis shmerines apofaseis ths kybernhshs oti elhfqhsan apofaseis poy bohqoyn sthn kateyqynsh ayths ths diafaneias sto dhmosio bio: Enswmatwnontai eidikoi logariasmoi sto geniko proypologismo, ayto einai ena poly shmantiko kommati gia th diaxeirish twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn. Qesmoqeteitai aparegklith ypoxrewsh twn dhmosiwn nosokomeiwn kai twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn na katartizoyn kai na ypoballoyn pros elegxo proypologismoys kai apologismoys. Qespizetai ypoxrewsh olwn twn ypoyrgeiwn na dhmosiopoioyn amesa oles tis epixorhghseis twn armodiothtwn toys. Ayto ginetai hdh se kapoia ypoyrgeia. Edw sto xwro poy briskomaste -to epanalambanw gia pollosth fora, isws koyrastika- apo ton Ioynio toy 2004 dhmosiopoioyme stoys foreis kai apo to Septembrio toy 2006 sto Internet, oles tis apofaseis poy lambanontai, gia paradeigma, gia thn kratikh diafhmish. Kai hdh apo efetos, apo to Febroyario kai meta, meta apo sxetikh apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn k. Paylopoyloy, dhmosiopoioyme kai tis symbaseis poy ginontai. Chfisma nomoy me aysthres diatajeis gia thn patajh fainomenwn diafqoras, toso sto dhmosio oso kai ston idiwtiko tomea. H dwrodokia eite paqhtikh, eite energhtikh, metatraphke se kakoyrghma. Kaqierwnoyme neo kanonismo promhqeiwn toy Dhmosioy, o opoios periorizei th grafeiokratia kai enisxyei th diafaneia. Aploysteyoyme tis diadikasies idryshs twn epixeirhsewn, gegonos poy epishs periorizei th grafeiokratia, enisxyei th diafaneia, antimetwpizei ta aitia mias shmantikhs estias diafqoras sth dioikhsh. Qwrakisame thn kefalaiagora. Enisxysame thn epitroph antagwnismoy. Qespisame aysthra nomoqetika metra poy kleinoyn tis portes ths paradikastikhs synallaghs. Molis proxqes eixame ta apotelesmata twn qesmikwn aytwn metrwn me th syneph kai oysiastikh doyleia poy ekane h Dikaiosynh, apo thn pleyra ths, sto qema toy paradikastikoy kyklwmatos. Enisxyoyme to nomiko oplostasio apenanti sth diafqora me nomikes ryqmiseis poy epekteinontai gia prwth fora kai ston idiwtiko tomea. Prowqhsame me to neo Kwdika Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn diadikasies diafaneias sth lhch twn apofasewn twn dhmotikwn kai koinotikwn symboyliwn. Mh moy peite oti den gnwrizete oti stoys Organismoys Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, ena poly shmantiko kommati toy dhmosioy xrhmatos dystyxws to diaxeirizontai oi dhmotikoi h alloi arxontes, me tropo o opoios den htan kai o pleon diafanhs. Katarghsame to maqhmatiko typo poy afora tis diagwnistikes diadikasies sto Dhmosio. Qwrakisame qesmika to rolo toy Genikoy Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai toy Swmatos Epiqewrhtwn Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Enisxysame toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys me anqrwpino dynamiko. Yparxoyn akomh polla na ginoyn se ayto, dioti gnwrizete poly kala oti, to syzhthsame me aformh thn agora kai thn aisxrokerdeia poy anaferqhke prohgoymenws, thn opoia aisxrokerdeia yparxei kai opoy yparxei. Anaferqhke prohgoymenws o k. Kakalhs. Sigoyra oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi xreiazontai akomh perissoterh enisxysh, alla den einai kai sto kaqestws poy toys brhkame. Ayta einai orismena apo ta metra, ta opoia elhfqhsan ta teleytaia xronia apo ayth thn kybernhsh sthn kateyqynsh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio bio. Einai sigoyra polla akomh poy mporei na ginoyn. Kai sta polla akomh, to ena poy einai shmantiko kai apasxolei th syzhthsh twn hmerwn, twn Ellhnwn politwn, tis teleytaies ebdomades, einai gia ta oikonomika twn kommatwn, to legomeno politiko xrhma. Exoyn ginei kai ekei para polla pragmata. Dystyxws den proxwrhse h syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh gia na elegxontai, anejarthta apo anwtato dikasthrio ektos ths Boylhs, ta oikonomika twn kommatwn kai twn ypochfiwn kai twn boyleytwn. Alla pisteyw oti mesa apo th syzhthsh gia th Diakommatikh qa breqei kapoios tropos, o opoios qa einai ikanopoihtikos, oxi sto epipedo poy proteiname sth syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh wste na dhmioyrghqei oxi aplws h entypwsh- alla na apotypwqei kai sthn prajh h politikh boylhsh. S` ayth thn politikh boylhsh, emeis kaloyme opoio apo ta kommata qelei na symmetasxei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mia dieykrinish ep` aytoy: Afoy exete kanei ola ayta poy mas eipate, tote oi polites giati einai epifylaktikoi kai apenanti sto komma sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw tis dhmoskophseis, opws speydei na fwnajei o k. Kakalhs apo thn allh pleyra. Den pisteyw oti h eyqynh einai stoys polites. Egw pisteyw oti h eyqynh se ena megalo pososto einai se oloys. Einai kai stoys politikoys kai ta politika kommata. Apo thn allh pleyra, qa hqela na mh dhmioyrgeitai h aisqhsh ths apajiwshs h ths isopedwshs. Se kaqe periptwsh, otan mia kybernhsh sta xronia poy kyberna, exei proxwrhsei sta metra ta opoia sas anefera, an mh ti allo, exei deijei sthn prajh thn apofasistikothta ths na proxwrhsei. Kai sthn prajh, h apofasistikothta ayth den fainetai mono me nomoys. Giati kapoios qa mporoyse na pei oti exoyme nomoys, exoyme qesmiko plaisio, egine kalytero apo o,ti htan prin, alla paramenoyn esties diafqoras. Esties diafqoras paramenoyn kai katagrafontai se polles ekqeseis sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai se alloys tomeis. Ekeino poy einai shmantiko, einai kapoios na mhn kwfeyei, na parakoloyqei ta pragmata, na mporei na dhmioyrgei synqhkes tetoies poy qa meiwnoyn oso to dynaton perissotero tis esties diafqoras. Kai panw ap` ola, sthn prajh na apodeiknyei thn politikh toy boylhsh. Kai pisteyw oti ayth h politikh boylhsh me ta stoixeia poy sas anefera kai me mia seira allwn ypoqesewn, exei apodeixqei, se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh kai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

MELIGKWNHS: Mia kai htan prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs h protash gia th systash ths Diakommatikhs Epitrophs, anarwtiemai an yparxoyn kapoies idees gia to ti qa proteinei h kybernwsa paratajh ekei. Gia paradeigma, h kybernhsh qa eblepe qetika thn allagh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs ypoyrgwn, prokeimenoy na mhn yparxoyn skies peri paragrafhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pros to paron, qa sas parapemcw sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos gia na deite oti yparxoyn idees. Qa doyme poies apo aytes tis idees mporei na ginoyn, xwris na xreiastei anaqewrhsh. Dioti, endexomenws, opws anaferqhke kai sth xqesinh epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Proedro ths Boylhs, yparxoyn kapoies apo aytes tis idees poy mporei na ginoyn nomos toy kratoys, xwris na xreiastei syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh. Oi basikes idees, bebaiws, xreiazontai th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh, h opoia dystyxws, ejaitias toy PASOK, den qa ginei.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite an yparxei eilhmmenh apofash gia thn apopomph toy k. Tatoylh kai einai qema xronoy h apopomph toy apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa xqes.

KAKALHS: Oyte ayto den diaceydete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa xqes.

KAKALHS: Kai mia allh erwthsh, an moy epitrepete. Afora mia prwinh sas omilia. Diatypwsate mia kainofanh apoch oti h ragdaia anodos twn timwn toy petrelaioy mporei na apodeixqei mia apo tis qetikoteres ejelijeis sthn anqrwpothta. Kai ayto, giati parexei ta oikonomika kinhtra gia thn anakalych kai efarmogh newn texnologiwn. Mporeite na mas dwsete perissoteres dieykriniseis pws to ennoeite; Giati fantazomai oti prokalese megalh anakoyfish kai xara stis polyeqnikes toy petrelaioy kai stis xrhmatisthriakes poy anebazoyn sta ych tis times toy petrelaioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apokommeno, etsi opws to paroysiazete, dhmioyrgei teleiws diaforetikh entypwsh apo ayth...

KAKALHS: Plhres, to diabasa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apokommeno, epanalambanw, opws to paroysiazete, dhmioyrgei teleiws diaforetikh entypwsh apo ayth thn opoia qa dhmioyrghsei o kaqe kalopistos anagnwsths oloklhroy toy xairetismoy. Einai poly syntomo keimeno, qa sas to promhqeysw gia na to diabasete olo. To qema htan ``H prasinh epixeirhmatikothta'', dhladh h epixeirhmatikothta poy mporei na anaptyxqei me oikologiko tropo. Kai h anafora egine, akribws gia na deijei oti epeidh akribws to petrelaio exei ayjhqei kata poly, qa yparjoyn megalyteres ependyseis -sigoyra apo tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs pisteyw, endexomenws kai alles ths Dyshs- prokeimenoy na breqoyn neoi tropoi pio oikologikoi poy qa antikatasthsoyn to problhmatiko  se o,ti afora thn timh- petrelaio. Den einai eykolo. Einai mia diatypwsh thn opoia an kanete ton kopo kai th diabasete oloklhrh, qa diapistwsete oti einai apolytws logikh. Einai mia apoch thn opoia ejefrasa kai pisteyw. Den omilw edw gia tis proswpikes moy apoceis -briskomai sto press room ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos qewrw omws oti otan yparxei ena problhma, tote einai poly piqanon oi kybernhseis, gia na antimetwpisoyn ayto to problhma, na anaptyjoyn alles meqodoys pio oikologikes, pio konta dhladh sthn prostasia toy periballontos, prokeimenoy na to antimetwpisoyn. Ean, loipon, doqoyn perissotera xrhmata sthn ereyna kai sthn texnologia, endexomenws ayth h anodos toy petrelaioy na apodeixqei oti edwse to enaysma stis kybernhseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, allwn anaptygmenwn xwrwn, na broyn tropoys poy qa jeperasoyn to problhma poy exei dhmioyrghsei to petrelaio.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mhpws exete kati neotero ston polemo poy kanei h kybernhsh kata ths akribeias; Giati blepw shmera plhrofories ston Typo poy anaferei oti ta kroysmata kerdoskopias, eidika sta paraqeristika kentra, exoyn pali pollaplasiastei kai apo o,ti xarakthristika diabazw, to mono fqhno poy yparxei pleon einai h salata kai amfibalw ean einai oles oi salates fqhnes sta paraqeristika kentra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati perissotero na sas pw. O k. Fwlias ekane kai xqes sxetikes dhlwseis gia ta qemata twn timwn twn proiontwn. Qa epanalabw  kai moy dinete thn eykairia me thn erwthsh sas- ayto poy eixa pei kai tote kai eixe syzhthqei, toylaxiston edw, arketa entona: Oti dhladh kaloyme kai oloys toys polites na symmetexoyn se ayth th diadikasia patajhs ths aisxrokerdeias, o kaqenas me ton tropo poy einai o pleon aplos kai o pleon apotelesmatikos. Ean dhladh kapoios peftei qyma aisxrokerdeias, na mporei na to dhlwsei stis armodies arxes, wste na to antimetwpisoyn. Oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi, oso anqrwpino dynamiko kai an diaqetoyn, einai adynato na elegjoyn kaqe katasthma se opoiadhpote gwnia ths xwras. Ean, omws, se ayto einai symmaxos o kaqe poliths, o opoios peftei qyma aisxrokerdeias, tote antilambaneste oti ta pragmata qa doylecoyn akomh kalytera gia oloys.

XIWTHS: Den einai toso aplo oso to lete, k. Ypoyrge. Gia paradeigma, oi paraqeristes poy qa kinhqoyn me ploia ayto to kalokairi, den exoyn enallaktikes lyseis. Qa tajidecoyn me ta sygkekrimena ploia twn opoiwn ta eisithria exoyn ayjhqei arketa se sxesh me perysi. 'H otan o poliths paei me thn oikogeneia toy na faei se mia taberna, prwta qa faei, qa ypostei thn kerdoskopia kai sth synexeia aplws qa paei na to kataggeilei. Qa thn exei, omws, ypostei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kerdoskopia exei polles morfes. Mia prwtogenhs kai aplh morfh ths einai, gia paradeigma, otan o poliths poy eipate qa faei me thn oikogeneia toy kai den qa parei, opws apaitei o nomos, thn apodeijh. An dhladh o epixeirhmatias den ekdwsei apodeijh. Ayto, amesws-amesws, efoson kataggelqei apo ton polith stis armodies arxes, bohqa sto na mhn epanalhfqei apo to sygkekrimeno epixeirhmatia kai apo alloys epixeirhmaties sthn idia perioxh. Antilambanomaste oloi oti an apodexqoyme moirolatrika mia katastash, poy dystyxws se polles periptwseis isxyei kai se perioxes poy o toyrismos einai poly ayjhmenos, den qa bohqhsoyme na antimetwpistei ayth h katastash. Epanalambanw, giati apokommeno kai ayto dynatai na parejhghqei: Den einai ola sthn plath toy polith, oyte ola sta xeria toy kratoys. Leitoyrgei to kratos, leitoyrgoyn oi dhmosies yphresies me sygkekrimeno anqrwpino dynamiko. Den einai xiliades xiliadwn oi elegktes oi opoioi mporoyn na briskontai se kaqe katasthma, se kaqe estiatorio, se kaqe emporiko thn idia wra. Einai kapoioi anqrwpoi oi opoioi ergazontai se aytes tis yphresies. O ariqmos, se kamia periptwsh den eparkei. Kai den mporei na eparkei, dioti antilambanomaste oloi oti oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi den mporoyn na exoyn aperioristo ariqmo anqrwpwn. Sto sygkekrimeno, loipon, xreiazetai h symmetoxh kai toy polith. Sas qymizw oti h symmetoxh twn politwn gia sygkekrimena proionta, h symmetoxh toys sthn apoxh apo thn agora sygkekrimenwn proiontwn prin apo liges ebdomades, opws einai to fresko gala, odhghse etaireies sth meiwsh twn timwn. Den htan h megalyterh epityxia, alla htan ena deigma oti ayth akribws h synergia politwn kai elegktikwn mhxanismwn mporei pragmatika na bohqhsei se kapoio baqmo. Toylaxiston mporei na bohqhsei na pataxqei h aisxrokerdeia.

Sas eyxaristw.


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