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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-04-27

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27.4.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Na sas pw liga logia gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

* Shmera, synedriazei h Boylh, prokeimenoy na apotisei foro timhs sth mnhmh toy Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh. Qa ginei ena politiko mnhmosyno.

* Ayrio, qa ginei h pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn koinwnikh politikh ths Kybernhshs.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 11 to prwi, qa jekinhsei h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK sthn aiqoysa Geroysias sth Boylh.

* Thn Pempth, stis 10 p.m., exoyme koinh synedriash ths Politikhs Grammateias kai ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Shmeiwnw oti h politikh enhmerwsh qa ginei kanonika, sth 1 to meshmeri. H synedriash twn dyo aytwn organwn, den synista kapoio allo organo, den exei dhladh typiko, qesmiko xarakthra. Gi' ayto h synanthsh mas edw qa ginei kanonika, thn problepomenh wra.

To apogeyma ths Pempths qa synedriasei, opws eixe programmatistei, to Ektelestiko grafeio toy PASOK, enocei kai ths Synodoy Koryfhs twn Bryjellwn, gia ta qemata ths Oikonomikhs kai Nomismatikhs Enwshs. Sth synedriash ayth qa einai parwn kai o k. Papantwnioy gia na enhmerwsei to kaqodhghtiko organo toy Kinhmatos.

* Thn Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos, epikefalhs Ellhnikhs Antiproswpeias, qa metabei stis Bryjeles, prokeimenoy na labei meros stis diadikasies gia thn ONE.

Ayto einai se poly genikes grammes to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis prosexeis hmeres.

KIAOS: Anaferqhkate sthn arxh, sth syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn apotish foroy timhs ston Kwnstantino Karamanlh ...

REPPAS: Nai, gia to politiko mnhmosyno ...

KIAOS: H Kybernhsh pote zhthse apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs na ginei analogo politiko mnhmosyno kai gia ton Andrea Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti qa ginei analogh ekdhlwsh sth Boylh stis 23 Ioynioy, poy symplhrwnontai dyo xronia apo to qanato toy Andrea Papandreoy. H dynatothta mias analoghs ekdhlwshs stis 23 Ioynioy toy 1997 den htan dynath, dioti den synedriaze h olomeleia ths Boylhs. Gnwrizete, omws, oti perysi me th symplhrwsh enos xronoy, to PASOK organwse mia sxetikh ekdhlwsh, sto Megaro Moysikhs, me omilhth, metajy twn allwn, ton idio ton Proedro toy Kinhmatos kai Prwqypoyrgo, gia na timhqei h mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy. Egine ayth h ekdhlwsh perysi kai bebaiws, se synennohsh me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, apofasisthke, afoy qa einai anoixth h Boylh kai qa synedriazei h olomeleia, ekeinh thn periodo, logw twn diadikasiwn gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, tote stis 23 Ioynioy -poy symplhrwnontai ta dyo xronia- na ginei mia analogh ekdhlwsh pros timhn ths mnhmhs toy Andrea Papandreoy. Ayto egine thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai anakoinwqhke apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa pote akribws zhthsate thn ekdhlwsh ayth.

REPPAS: Htan apofash ths Kybernhshs apo th stigmh poy htan gnwsto oti h Boylh qa synedriasei ekeinh thn hmera, oti h olomeleia ths Boylhs qa leitoyrgei. Tote apofasisame, efoson symplhrwnontai dyo xronia, na apodoqei ayth h timh.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayth thn ekdhlwsh stis 23 Ioynioy, h Kybernhsh th zhthse; Giati egw diabasa oti th zhthse o Proedros ths Boylhs.

REPPAS: Yphrje synennohsh ths Kybernhshs me ton Proedro ths Boylhs kai o Proedros ths Boylhs thn anakoinwse.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw kati diadikastiko: To programma toy dihmeroy, stis 2 kai 3/5 exei tropopoihqei h einai ayto poy gnwrizoyme;

REPPAS: To programma, se adres grammes, einai ayto to opoio gnwrizete. Synedriazei to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Oikonomias thn Paraskeyh, to apogeyma. To prwi synedriazei to Eyrwkoinoboylio kai gnwmodotei kai nwris to apogeyma toy Sabbatoy h arga to meshmeri, opws sas eipa kai allh fora, qa synelqoyn oi hgetes twn xwrwn. Gyrw stis 5.30-6 m.m., an ola ejelixqoyn symfwna me to programma, qa exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diadikasies, opote o Prwqypoyrgos, qa sas paraxwrhsei synenteyjh Typoy, gia ta apotelesmata ths Synodoy.

KIAOS: Sxetika me ena dhmosieyma sthn Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia gia antistasiakes drasthriothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy ton kairo ths diktatorias, oi fakeloi exoyn kaei h oxi; Oi fakeloi twn politikwn kratoymenwn sthn Asfaleia, sthn KYP, se oles aytes tis gnwstes kai mh ejairetees yphresies, strato, Xwrofylakh k.lp.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia to qema ayto exei chfistei nomos. Gnwrizete poia htan h qesh toy Kinhmatos mas ekeinh thn periodo. Den gnwrizw leptomereies epi toy qematos. Qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio, prokeimenoy na exete leptomerh stoixeia.

KIAOS: Egw rwtw thn Kybernhsh ...

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti exei chfistei enas nomos, o opoios isxyei. Den exei allajei o nomos. Kaqe nomos o opoios einai se isxy, efarmozetai. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

KIAOS: Epeidh to qema den einai an efarmozetai h oxi o nomos, alla an ontws diathroyntai akomh fakeloi.

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, yparxei enas nomos, o opoios exei chfistei kai isxyei. Den exei allajei o nomos. Opoia allh leptomereia qelete epi toy qematos, parakalw na apeyqynqeite armodiws.

KIAOS: Ston k. Rwmaio dhladh;

REPPAS: Nai.

KIAOS: Kai gia thn KYP;

REPPAS: Einai toso eykolo gia sas, k. Kiao, na anazhthsete ta stoixeia. Gnwrizw oti isxyei enas nomos. Na meinoyme s' ayto.

KIAOS: H idia h Kybernhsh ti kanei; Den skeftetai oti mporei na mhn efarmozetai o nomos, oti mporei na yparxoyn akomh fakeloi, oti mporei, mporei ...

REPPAS: Gi' ayto akribws, epi olwn aytwn twn qematwn poy aforoyn diafora Ypoyrgeia, parakalw ean qelete leptomereies, na apeyqyneste stis armodies yphresies. Gnwrizete poia einai h qesh poy eixe diatypwsei tote to PASOK, enocei ayths ths prwtoboylias poy anelabe h sygkybernhsh. Parakalw loipon, na apeyqynqeite armodiws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta th megalh epityxia ths prwths ypotimhshs, mhpws h Kybernhsh prokeitai na probei, thn allh ebdomada, se deyterh ypotimhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h idia h agora kai oi dynameis oi opoies einai -ayto to dexeste oloi- ejw apo ton elegxo opoiasdhpote politikhs dynamhs kai ths Kybernhshs, exoyn diathrhsei th draxmh se ena epipedo, to opoio einai poly kalytero gia thn ajia toy nomismatos apo ayto to opoio apofasisame, prokeimenoy na entaxqoyme sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn, odhgoymenoi se prosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas kata 14%. Ayto einai ena deigma ths kalhs, ths qetikhs ejelijhs poy yparxei meta thn apofash ayth. Qema opoiasdhpote allaghs den yfistatai, poly perissotero poy den yparxoyn oi pieseis, oi opoies, prepei na poyme, ekeinh thn periodo eixan ekdhlwqei. H idia h agora exei anagnwrisei oti h draxmh brisketai shmera se ena epipedo, to opoio antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikh ajia ths. Kai epeidh ola -opws kai eseis swsta eipate- pane ikanopoihtika, pane kala, h Kybernhsh den exei kanena logo na kanei opoiadhpote allagh epi toy sygkekrimenoy zhthmatos.

MIXAHL: Einai profanes oti h apanthsh sas den mporoyse na htan allh. Anejarthta apo to ti pisteyete h den pisteyete emeis ofeiloyme na to katagracoyme. Qelw na sas rwthsw, omws, sto skelos poy eipate oti den yfistatai pieseis apo xqes to brady metadidetai kai shmera to prwi, pisteyw to exete akoysei ki eseis, oi pieseis poy dexetai h draxmh einai para poly entones. Ginetai ekroh synallagmatos para poly shmantikh. Eseis ektimate oti ola ayta einai parodika fainomena;

REPPAS: Ektimw oti h prosarmogh toy nomismatos mas sthn isotimia phge poly kala. H idia h agora den exei dexqei ayth thn prosarmogh thn opoia tote apofasisame, qewrwntas pws h draxmh einai pio isxyrh. Ayto lene ta dedomena ths agoras. Pisteyoyme oti yparxoyn ta periqwria ekeina entos twn opoiwn mporei na kinhqei h draxmh xwris na xreiazetai na lhfqei opoiadhpote apofash. Epanalambanw oti den mas exei apasxolhsei, giati den exoyme mprosta mas na antimetwpisoyme kapoio analogo qema san ekeino poy eixe sxesh me thn entajh mas sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn, qema dhladh allaghs sthn isotimia toy nomismatos mas.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, otan lete oti yparxoyn periqwria sta opoia mporei na kinhqei h draxmh, mhpws ennoeite diolisqhsh;

REPPAS: Ennow oti h Kybernhsh den prokeitai na probei se opoiadhpote apofash. Apofasisame na anaprosarmosoyme thn isotimia toy nomismatos mas, enocei toy stoxoy na entaxqoyme sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. To logo ton exei h agora kai h agora me tis ejelijeis exei dikaiwsei ekeinh thn epilogh. Qa elega malista oti h agora edeije pws h draxmh einai pio isxyrh apo th qesh sthn opoia o Mhxanismos aytos, prokeimenoy na lhfqei h apofash gia thn entajh stis synallagmatikes isotimies ths draxmhs, apofasise tote. Kai gnwrizete poly kala pws shmera h draxmh brisketai, se sxesh me thn arxikh qesh ths, ypotimhmenh kata 10% - 11%. Oxi kata 14% poy eixe apofasistei. Ayto kati deixnei. Den mporoyme na to agnohsoyme.

MIXAHL: Mas anakoinwsate to programma oti thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa ginei h koinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias toy PASOK kai to brady qa ginei to Ektelestiko Grafeio, me qemata oles tis politikes ejelijeis, Synodos Koryfhs k.t.l. Giati allaje hmeromhnia; Htan na ginei ayrio. Mhpws epeidh mesolabei meta ena trihmero argias;

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Mixahl. Mhn eiste toso eyfantastos. H dhmioyrgikh fantasia einai panta xrhsimh. Alla giati prepei panta na anazhteite kapoion toso shmantiko logo h kapoia skopimothta. Prepei na sas pw oti h koinh ayth synedriash problepotan na ginei thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh. Den egine gia ton logo poy gnwrizete. Oristhke ws nea hmera synedriashs h Trith. Amesws meta, omws, apofasisthke na mh ginei pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh gia thn koinwnikh politikh th Deytera, epeidh qa ginei to politiko mnhmosyno, kai h synedriash ayth, h pro hmerhsias diatajhs, qa ginei th Trith. Ara, aytomatws, apofasisame th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai ths Politikhs Grammateias na th metatopisoyme xronika kai na thn pame, afoy oytws h allws den ginotan, thn Tetarth, giati exoyme synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, thn Pempth. Einai ola poly apla.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to Sabbato o grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos sas eipe kapoia pragmata milwntas se kommatika stelexh, ta gnwrizete, afoy gnwrizete kai tis ermhneies poy edoqhsan. Qelw na sas rwthsw, prwton, poioys ennoei, an h Kybernhsh gnwrizei, o k. Skandalidhs me ayta poy eipe, poioi gia paradeigma einai aytoi poy epidiwkoyn prowres ekloges kai deyteron, an o Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei aytes tis epishmanseis kai an symfwnei m' aytes.

REPPAS: Oson afora ta qemata poy aforoyn tis kommatikes leitoyrgies, qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw kai egw sxolio. O k. Skandalidhs anaferqhke, yperqematizontas kiolas, sthn anagkaiothta ths akoloyqoymenhs kybernhtikhs politikhs, sthn ajia thn opoia exei h prospaqeia mas kai anelyse ta bhmata poy prepei na kanei h Organwsh, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme toys stoxoys, ton kyrio stoxo mas gia mia sygxronh kai isxyrh Ellada. Epishmane astoxies kai paraleiceis oi opoies yparxoyn kai dyskoleyoyn thn prospaqeia mas kai bebaiws anedeije thn ajia poy exoyn oi syllogikes, qesmikes leitoyrgies poy exoyn katajiwqei idiaiterws thn teleytaia periodo. Ola ta qemata poy aforoyn thn politikh sygkyria, o k. Skandalidhs ta aneptyje symfwna me tis qeseis ths Kybernhshs. Den yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn. Den tiqetai qema opoiasdhpote tetoias allaghs, giati polles fhmologies yparxoyn thn teleytaia periodo. Gi' ayto akribws qa prepei na eimaste kathgorhmatikoi, gia na ejasfalistoyn oi synqhkes staqerothtas, politikhs kai oikonomikhs. Ayto einai aparaithto kai prepei na symballoyme oloi s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. O k. Skandalidhs me thn ypeyqynh qesh poy exei, eipe gia diafora qemata tis qeseis toy ws Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. Den exw kanena logo na tis sxoliasw. O Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio twn kommatikwn diadikasiwn synergazetai me ton k. Skandalidh kai ws Prwqypoyrgos akoloyqei mia kybernhtikh politikh, thn opoia th sthrizoyme oloi kai kyriws h omada twn stelexwn, poy apartizei ta hgetika kommatika organa. Kai bebaiws kai o k. Skandalidhs. Ayto einai safes.

LAKOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, ayta ta stelexh, omws, einai Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhsews. Exoyn na kanoyn, dhladh, me ayto poy qewroyn ontws kybernhtikh politikh. Egw sas rwthsa an o Prwqypoyrgos symfwnei me tis diapistwseis toy typoy oti to PASOK brisketai se syrriknwsh, na shmeiwsw oti etsi to eipe kai diafores alles diatypwseis tis opoies gnwrizete.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa. Eipa oti ola ayta ta qemata ta syzhtoyn synergazomenoi sto plaisio twn kommatikwn diadikasiwn. Epishmainw, omws, me aformh thn erwthsh sas oti o k. Skandalidhs den eipe oti to PASOK brisketai se fash syrriknwshs. Eipe oti h eikona poy yparxei dinei thn entypwsh oti yparxei mia syrriknwsh. Alla, o agwnas ton opoio kanoyme oloi, me prwton ton Proedro kai Prwqypoyrgo, einai o agwnas na epibebaiwsoyme thn politikh mas poy qewroyme oti einai h orqh politikh. Ayto to lene oloi. Kai o k. Skandalidhs me leptomereies to aneptyje sthn omilia toy. Etsi kai pali, thn wra ths krishs to 2000, qa kerdisoyme thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy kai thn chfo toy.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete ta peri braxonhsidwn, ta peri prospaqeias epoikismoy twn braxonhsidwn sto Aigaio. Yparxei sxetiko dhmosieyma.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw to dhmosieyma. Qa moy epitrecete na ekfrasw th lyph moy, giati ena egkyro entypo opws einai to sygkekrimeno periodiko, filodojei fantazomai, na einai antikeimeniko kai pantote na anaferei thn alhqeia. Egw, oydepote ekana dhlwseis tis opoies xrewnei se mena kai malista tis paraqetei entos eisagwgikwn. Egw, pote den eipa oti "me ena smparo, petyxainoyme dyo trigwnia". Den to eipa pote. Gnwrizete ...

KARASABBA: Eiste sigoyros...

REPPAS: Qa erqw kai s' ayto ka Karasabba. Qa exete th dynatothta na milhsete. Gnwrizete oti ayto einai ena programma, to opoio akoloyqeitai sto plaisio ths E.E, logw toy oikologikoy endiaferontos poy yparxei se orismena nhsia. Dioti den einai mono oi braxonhsides, einai kai nhsia ta opoia briskontai poly makria apo th synoriakh grammh, opws einai h nhsida Paxia ths Anafhs, einai nhsia ta opoia katoikoyntai, anaptyssetai s' ayta drasthriothta, opws einai h Cerimos, alla dinetai mia entypwsh apo ayto to dhmosieyma, h opoia den antapokrinetai sta pragmata. Poly perissotero, lypoymai na pw, oti h ka Papazwh, h opoia ws Yfypoyrgos Periballontos paliotera kai Ypoyrgos Aigaioy twra, milhse me toys syntaktes, giati zhthsan na th doyn kai toys anefere tis apoceis ths Kybernhshs mas kai thn prwtoboylia poy h idia, sto plaisio aytoy toy programmatos, exei anaptyjei, einai paraponoymenh giati den anaferetai tipota apo ta polla kai xrhsima ta opoia eipe. Gnwrizete oti ayto to programma einai se ejelijh me xrhmatodothsh kai ths E.E. Den exei kanena allo stoxo, para mono na diasfalistei h panida kai h xlwrida, idiaiterws sta pthna poy yparxoyn se orismena nhsia. Kai bebaiws gia to logo oti ta nhsia ayta exoyn ginei pleon episkecima apo idiwtes. Prepei na diasfalisoyme ayto ton oikologiko ployto poy diaqetoyn kai sto plaisio mias hpias toyristikhs anaptyjhs na dwsoyme th dynatothta me th dhmioyrgia ypodomhs kai episkecima na einai, xwris na prokaloyntai blabes omws kai anisorropies toy oikologikoy periballontos. Parakalw ka Karasabba, qelete mhpws to logo; Ton eixate zhthsei.

KARASABBA: Oxi, oxi.

GARGALAKOS: Akoygontai kapoies plhrofories oti...

KARASABBA: Na ton parw, pali to logo;

REPPAS: Synexiste k. Gargalako.

GARGALAKOS: Akoygontai kapoies plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos yposthrizei sygkekrimeno Mhtropolith gia th qesh toy Arxiepiskopoy. Ti exete na peite;

REPPAS: Blepw shmera oti einai ena qema to opoio paizei poly stis efhmerides. Blepw oti opoy yparxei eklogikh diadikasia, prokaleitai aytomata megalo endiaferon. Prepei na pw oti h eklogh toy Arxiepiskopoy ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados apotelei eswteriko zhthma ths Ekklhsias. H Kybernhsh den parembainei yper kapoioy ypochfioy. H Kybernhsh den exei opoiasdhpote morfhs anameijh sto qema ayto. Einai mia jexwristh diadikasia kata thn opoia oi Ierarxes qa anadeijoyn ton Prokaqhmeno ths Ellhnikhs Ekklhsias. Einai dikh toys ypoqesh, dikh toys apokleistikh eyqynh na epilejoyn ton kata thn krish toys ajiotero. H Politeia, h Kybernhsh idiaiterws, opws sto parelqon etsi kai twra kai sto mellon, qa epidiwjei kai qa epityxei na exei aristh synergasia me ton Prokaqhmeno ths Ellhnikhs Ekklhsias, me toys Ierarxes, me thn Ellhnikh Ekklhsia kai ta Organa ths, sto synolo toys.

KYRIAKIDOY: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite poy ofeiletai h jafnikh aisiodojia poy ekdhlwqhke kai idiaitera toy k. Klhridh gia to Kypriako, meta thn episkech toy k. Miler sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: O k. Klhridhs den edeije oti einai jafnika yperaisiodojos. Apla eipe oti einai ligotero apaisiodojos meta th syzhthsh poy eixe me ton k. Miler, epeidh, nomizw, antelhfqh oti anagnwrizetai h prospaqeia poy kanei h Kypriakh Kybernhsh apo ton jeno paragonta, idiaiterws apo thn Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, sthn kateyqynsh na epanarxisoyn oi diakoinotikes synomilies. Kai an pragmatika h mexri twra adiallakth stash poy threi o Ntentkas metablhqei kai arxisoyn oi diakoinotikes synomilies, ayto einai mia qetikh ejelijh, h opoia dikaiologhmena dinei kai ston k. Klhridh to dikaiwma na einai ligotero apaisiodojos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Kybernhsh pote exei programmatisei na poylhsei thn Olympiakh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, h Kybernhsh, me bash to nomo o opoios chfisthke, kanei ta panta, prokeimenoy to egxeirhma ths ejygianshs kai anadiorganwshs ths O.A. na epityxei. Eimaste se ena mhna prosarmoghs. Antimetwpizontai problhmata, opws ayta ta opoia exoyn prokycei logw ths apergias twn xeiristwn twn aeroskafwn. Prepei na pw oti o programmatismos twn pthsewn poy einai gnwstos exei ginei apo persi kai basizetai se ekeino ton Kanonismo Proswpikoy o opoios metajy twn allwn problepei polles wres yperergasias. H yperergasia, omws, den problepetai me bash ta osa prosfatws chfisame. Logiko einai loipon, na mhn einai eykolo h Olympiakh na antapokriqei sta dromologia ekeinoy, toy persinoy dhladh, programmatismoy. Ginetai enas neos programmatismos me bash tis dynatothtes ths epixeirhshs. Kai prepei na pw oti dromologia ta opoia einai zhmiogona, den einai aparaithto na ekteloyntai. Qa prepei na yparxei mia sygxwneysh twn dromologiwn, me tetoio tropo, omws, wste na ejyphreteitai to epibatiko koino. Ekei p.x. poy oi pthseis einai epta, an ginoyn eji, den dhmioyrgeitai meizon qema. Alla, bebaiws, prokeimenoy na pame sthn ejygiansh, opws thn exoyme sxediasei, qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme ayto to fainomeno ths yperergasias, to opoio oikonomika epibaryne para poly thn epixeirhsh. Kai epeidh twra den problepetai yperergasia, exoyme, metajy twn allwn kai gi' ayto to logo, ta problhmata sta opoia kai eseis anaferqhkate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei ejygiansh twra; Proxwraei h ejygiansh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti para ta laqh, tis paraleiceis kai tis kaqysterhseis, eimaste se mia kateyqynsh poy pisteyoyme oti einai h orqh. O mhnas aytos einai mhnas prosarmoghs. Kai h O.A. epidiwkei na enisxysei th qesh ths, wste sto epomeno diasthma na epidiwjei na anaptyjei synergasies kai me alles etaireies, prokeimenoy etsi na ejasfalisei sto dieqnh xwro mia kalyterh qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, prokeitai na mpei strathgikos ependyths, kapoios manatzer;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei apo thn arxh oti epidiwjh ths O.A. einai na entaxqei se mia apo tis strathgikes symmaxies, tis megales poy yparxoyn se olo ton kosmo. H Olympiakh einai h monh aeroporikh etaireia, toylaxiston xwras toy legomenoy sygxronoy kosmoy, poy einai ektos aytwn twn megalwn symmaxiwn. Qa prepei, loipon, na entaxqei se ena tetoio synergatiko sxhma. Omws, gia na ginei ayto qa prepei na beltiwsei th qesh ths, prokeimenoy na diaqetei analogh ajiopistia, na ginei dekth se mia tetoia symmaxia kai na exei mia qesh shmantikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote kai me poioys;

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema to opoio ejetazei h Dioikhsh ths Epixeirhshs. Gnwrizete oti exei thn aytonomia twn epilogwn kai twn xeirismwn. O stoxos, omws, paramenei aytos, opws ton exoyme qesei apo thn arxh, h ejygiansh kai h anakamch ths O.A.

G. KAMPOYRAKHS: Maqainoyme apo to reportaz, oti yparxei ena programma na katarghqoyn kapoia dromologia kai isws oxi proorismoi, alla dromologia kai qa hqela na sas pw, an yparxoyn kapoia krithria poy na lene oti yparxoyn kapoies zhmiogones grammes kai kapoies mh zhmiogones grammes. Giati na sas qymisw, oti to 1994 pali me Proedro ton k.Tsakiridh katarghqhke mia grammh Aqhnas-Tokio ws zhmiogona tote .Oi pilotoi fwnazoyn oti ayth h grammh htan kerdofora kai antikatastaqhke me alles, poy twra h Kybernhsh leei kai h Dioikhsh oti einai zhmiogones.

REPPAS: Ta panta ejetazontai ypo to prisma twn teleytaiwn apofasewn, opws aytes apotypwnontai sto nomo poy chfise h Boylh twn Ellhnwn. O nomos aytos, metajy twn allwn, problepei allagh toy Genikoy Kanonismoy Proswpikoy, exoyn epishs apofasisqei diafores alles metaboles. Aytes, akribws, lambanontai ypoch, apoteloyn to plaisio, prokeimenoy kai ta dromologia ths O.A. na ekteloyntai me ena neo tropo. Na epilegontai oi proorismoi me diaforetika krithria kai na ekteloyntai ta dromologia, wste na ejyphreteitai to epibatiko koino, xwris na blaptetai, omws, apo oikonomikh apoch h epixeirhsh.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela -den jerw an mporei na teqei ws qema diadikastiko- alla qa hqela na katagrafei parakalw oti h dhlwsh, opws egine, kategrafh sto periodiko TIME einai opws kai ayth poy mas kanate eseis , poy kanate se emena. Einai pisth.

REPPAS: Oti eipa egw pote, oti me ena smparo petyxame dyo trygonia;

KARASABBA: Na sas pw akribws ti eipate;

REPPAS: Parakalw.

KARASABBA: Eipate kai ayto kai opws lete kai sto diko sas to xwrio, me mia toyfekia dyo...

REPPAS: Eipa egw sthn enhmerwsh tetoio pragma;

KARASABBA: Sthn idiwtikh enhmerwsh....

REPPAS: Se poia idiwtikh enhmerwsh; Eixame syzhthsh epi aytoy toy qematos, ka Karasabba emeis;

KARASABBA: Bebaiws.

REPPAS: Hrqate sto grafeio moy kai syzhthsame tetoio qema h sas synanthsa kapoy kai syzhthsame tetoio qema;

KARASABBA: Na sas dwsoyme to faj me to ti syzhthsame;

REPPAS: Parakalw. Exete kati to opoio deixnei oti eixame tetoia syzhthsh epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos;

KARASABBA: Nai , ke Reppa.

REPPAS: Oxi oti eipa ayto akribws, poy den to eipa, alla oti estw syzhthsame gi' ayto to qema, kat' idian , oi dyo mas;

KARASABBA: Nai, ke Reppa.

REPPAS: Lypoymai para poly.

KARASABBA: Kai egw lypoymai.

REPPAS: Kai lypoymai giati to dhmosieyma sto periodiko TIME, erxetai se synexeia dhmosieymatwn poy eixame se toyrkikes efhmerides thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Kai lypoymai para poly, giati epilegoyn kapoioi tetoia qemata na ta anadeiknyoyn me ayto ton tropo, mia sygkekrimenh periodo.

KARASABBA: Lypamai poy kanete eseis ayth th syndesh.

REPPAS: Ma exei ginei kai einai istorikws apodedeigmenh. Den einai ayqaireto ayto to opoio lew egw, enw ayta ta opoia grafontai einai ayqaireta. Dioti den eipa ayto to opoio to periodiko anaferei, qetontas to malista entos eisagwgikwn, ws na to eipa lejh pros lejh.

KARASABBA: Kyrie Reppa, egw den sas rwthsa kai den anaferqhka kan se toyrkika dhmosieymata. Kai oyte me endiaferoyn emena proswpika.

REPPAS: Asfalws, den exw kamia amfibolia.

KARASABBA: Me endiaferei proswpika to dhmosieyma toy opoioy eimai h syntaktis egw. Ayta aplws. Kai na katagrafei.

REPPAS: Egw eipa tis apoceis moy. Katagrafhke kai h dikh sas apoch. Epanalambanw, lypoymai giati ena periodiko to opoio filodojei na einai egkyro kai antikeimeniko....

KARASABBA: Einai , kyrie Reppa.

REPPAS: .... apodidei pragmata ta opoia den exoyn antikrysma alhqeias. Kai eimai kathgorhmatikos s' ayto. Anamenw apo esas na parete prwtoboylia gia na deijete oti einai etsi ta pragmata.

KARASABBA: Bebaiws.

KIAOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an tyxon emmenei h Kybernhsh sto programma ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs poy exei ejaggeilei o k. Arsenhs h prokeitai na to tropopoihsei;

REPPAS: Eida to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "ELEYQEROTYPIA", shmera. Prepei na pw oti, opws synhqws symbainei, oi apanthseis poy didontai exoyn sxesh me tis erwthseis poy tiqentai. Pragmatika yparxei s' ena megalo tmhma toy plhqysmoy mia adynamia na gnwrizoyn me leptomereies tis allages aytes sto plaisio ths ekpaideytikhs politikhs. H ekpaideytikh metarryqmish exei apofasisqei. Qa proxwrhsoyme me bash tis apofaseis poy exoyme parei, giati pisteyoyme oti antapokrinontai stis anagkes gia mia sygxronh ekpaideysh. To Ypoyrgeio Paideias enteinei tis prospaqeies toy. Kai qa prepei na symbaloyme oloi -kai den ennow mono ta stelexh toy Kommatos h ths Kybernhshs alla kai toys koinwnikoys foreis- prokeimenoy oi epiloges aytes, poy einai krisimes, na proxwrhsoyn grhgora, giati tis exei anagkh o topos. Anaferw, gia paradeigma, to diagwnismo gia thn epilogh toy ekpaideytikoy proswpikoy. Mia nea diadikasia poy prokyptei meta apo thn katarghsh ths epethridas. Yparxoyn kai sto qema ayto antidraseis, oi opoies den einai dikaiologhmenes. Blepete, otan prospaqoyme na kanoyme tomes eksygxronismoy kai metarryqmisewn, synantoyme antidrash, h opoia den einai dikaiologhmenh. Kai parakalw, mhn kolakeyete aytoys oi opoioi antidroyn se tetoioy eidoys apofaseis, oi opoies einai wfelimes gia th xwra.

BITSENTSOY: Isxyei ayto poy akoygetai gia kapoio sxedio ths Kybernhshs na mpoyn diodia se osoys erxontai sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Einai asteio kai na to syzhtoyme. Oyte kan mas exei apasxolhsei tetoio qema, giati aplws den yfistatai tetoio qema.

Sas eyxaristw.


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