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Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-01-21

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 21 Ianoyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayrio, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas ths Germanias k. Sarpingk, o opoios episkeptetai thn Ellada, sto plaisio ths Diaskechs twn Sosialistikwn Kommatwn twn balkanikwn xwrwn poy ginetai sth Qessalonikh, to Sabbatokyriako.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws, ayrio, qa zhthsei kai kapoies paraithseis ypoyrgwn o Prwqypoyrgos sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti den tiqetai qema allagwn sth synqesh ths kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oyte gia ton k. Arsenh;

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs einai melos ths kybernhshs. Otan milw gia thn kybernhsh den ejairw kapoion.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, giati den phge sto Epimelhthrio, ston Peiraia; Mas to eixate anakoinwsei xqes.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes to apogeyma, symmeteixe se synedriash sth Boylh, sto plaisio ths "Wras toy Prwqypoyrgoy". Ektakth apasxolhsh toy odhghse kat` arxhn se kaqysterhsh th metabash toy ston Peiraia, h opoia telika akyrwqhke, logw kai twn synqhkwn, peran twn allwn apasxolhsewn toy poy proekycan ektaktws, poy eixan dhmioyrghqei se ekeino to xwro toy Peiraia.

Me thn eykairia ayth, prepei na kataggeilw tetoioy eidoys energeies. Den einai dynaton oligariqmes omades na epibaloyn ton aytarxismo toys kai na parakwlyoyn dhmosies leitoyrgies. Ayto einai antidhmokratiko, einai kai paranomo. Se teleytaia analysh, oydeis ejoysiodothse kapoioys na epibaloyn thn tyrannia toys se mia oloklhrh koinwnia. Fainomena tetoia ta apodokimazoyme. Kaqenas mporei eleyqera na ekfrazei tis apoceis toys. Den mporei, omws, na dhmioyrgei synqhkes, opoy mesw apeilwn h ekbiasmwn sterei ayto to dikaiwma ths eleyqerias sthn ekfrash ths apochs h ths drashs se opoiondhpote allon, poly perissotero se politikoys paragontes ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h kybernhsh eidopoihse kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, na mhn paei gia toys idioys logoys; O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai allo pragma.

REPPAS: Sas milhsa gia sygkekrimenoys logoys, oson afora th mh metabash ekei toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Oson afora ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias den gnwrizw otidhpote sxetiko.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an qymamai kala prin apo liges hmeres apo ayto to bhma, mas eixate pei oti to qema ths Paideias, me tis katalhceis kai ta gegonota twn teleytaiwn hmerwn, bainei pros yfesh. Omws, edw kai ena dihmero, trihmero, ta pragmata exoyn sklhrynei. Proxqes to brady, ekanan anw-katw thn Aqhna kapoioi. Shmera ta idia. Poy odhgoymeqa me ayth thn katastash kai ti qa ginei apo edw kai pera;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei gia fqinoysa poreia twn katalhcewn opws epibebaiwnetai kai apo ta stoixeia poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti kapoioi oi opoioi ferontai me tropo aneyqyno, den briskoyn eykairia na probainoyn se prajeis apokroystikes san aytes stis opoies proxwroyn, se epeisodia, se bandalismoys. Ligoi einai, alla den einai eykolo, epeidh ekeinoi epilegoyn ton topo kai to xrono, na prolhfqoyn oi energeies toys. Antilambaneste pws ayta ta fainomena den exoyn sxesh me ton agwna poy kanoyn oi maqhtes. Den mporw na dexqw oti to maqhtiko kinhma exei stoys kolpoys toy tetoioys pyrhnes, oi opoioi me th symperifora toys exoyn apokalyfqei kai exoyn apodeijei oti kaqe allo para endiaferontai gia ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn ekpaideytikh metarryqmish.

Einai bebaio oti h drasthriothta toys ayth anaptyssetai me thn ekmetalleysh twn synqhkwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai logw twn maqhtikwn kinhtopoihsewn.

Asfalws, loipon, h kalyterh apanthsh kai s` ayta ta fainomena den einai allh, para h epideijh mias ypeyqynhs stashs apo oloys mas, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsoyn kai pali amesws kai omala ta sxoleia, wste na pacoyn na yfistantai kai oi synqhkes ekeines, to analogo periballon, poy dinei th dynatothta se tetoioys pyrhnes kakopoiwn stoixeiwn, na meterxontai tetoia mesa, na yponomeyoyn to dhmokratiko politeyma kai na probainoyn se bandalismoys kai ajiopoines prajeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mesa sta kakopoia stoixeia symperilambanete kai aytoys poy xtypoyn maqhtes me ropala h poy toys traymatizoyn me ta aytokinhta toys, opws o Grammateas toy PASOK sth Rodo;

REPPAS: Gia opoia ajiopoinh prajh, exei epilhfqei h Dikaiosynh. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Gnwrizete poly kala oti kaqe poliths krinetai apo ta Organa ths Dikaiosynhs, otan ayta epilambanontai. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe poliths exei to dikaiwma na xrhsimopoihsei ta endika mesa poy exei sth diaqesh toy, prokeimenoy na apodeijei oti einai aqwos, se sxesh me tis kathgories poy toy apodidontai. Gnwrizete poio einai to problhma gia thn politikh, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Apo th mia prepei na deijoyme eyaisqhsia kai na antimetwpisoyme me leptothta to dikaiwma twn politwn na drasthriopoioyntai, na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys, na kinhtopoioyntai, na diadhlwnoyn. Apo thn allh, omws, qa prepei na yperaspistoyme kai to dikaiwma ekeinwn poy den symmetexoyn s` aytes tis kinhtopoihseis, na synexisoyn akwlyta to kaqhmerino ergo toys. Kai antilambaneste pws h epiteyjh ths xryshs tomhs einai pantote dyskolh. H staqmish aytwn twn agaqwn einai ena poly lepto zhthma kai pantote askeitai kritikh apo oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi, eite sth mia, eite sthn allh periptwsh, mporoyn na katamartyrhsoyn sthn politikh adynamies h laqh.

Otan ta pragmata afhnontai na ejelixqoyn eleyqera, me to dikaiwma twn politwn na diadhlwnoyn tis apoceis toys, dhmioyrgwntas problhmata se alloys sympolites, h politikh katakrinetai, giati den kanei kati, wste na dieykolynqei h zwh twn politwn sto synolo toys. Otan parembainei h politikh h to kratos, tote kathgoreitai gia parembash h opoia dhmioyrgei entash kai antiparaqesh, me piqana epeisodia kai atyxhmata, me apotelesma kai pali na askeitai kritikh. Einai ena poly dyskolo ergo ayto kai gi` ayto epanalambanw, oti xreiazetai oloi na exoyme mia ypeyqynh stash. Monon etsi antimetwpizontai ta problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw k. Ypoyrge, den milhsa gia endika mesa. Egw milhsa gi` aytoys oi opoioi xrhsimopoihsan ropala, alloi to aytokinhto toys kai xtyphsan maqhtes kai maqhtries. S` aytoys anaferomai.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizete oti yparxoyn kai maqhtes oi opoioi exoyn biaiopraghsei; Den to exete antilhfqei; Den gnwrizete oti yparxoyn kai neoi anqrwpoi oi opoioi strefontai enantion hlikiwmenwn me tropo biaio; Qelete na mpoyme se mia periptwsiologikh anafora aytwn twn fainomenwn poy ektylixqhkan tis teleytaies hmeres; As to apofygoyme. Periorizomai na pw oti ekei poy epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh, h Dikaiosynh exei to logo, den ton exoyme emeis. Kaqe poliths exei th dynatothta na ajiopoihsei ta endika mesa ta opoia diaqetei, prokeimenoy na apodeijei to dikaio toy. Oloi qa prepei na deijoyme cyxraimia kai aytosygkrathsh.

FILHS: Prin eipate oti oi katalhceis bainoyn meioymenes, fqinoyn. Exete kapoia stoixeia;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei gi` ayto. Exoyme stoixeia ta opoia prokyptoyn apo tis armodies Dieyqynseis. To ypoyrgeio Paideias, exei ypoch toy ta stoixeia ayta, ta opoia epishs prokyptoyn kai apo tis kratikes Arxes, tis Perifereies se olh th xwra. Sthn ellhnikh perifereia ta sxoleia, sxedon sto synolo toys, leitoyrgoyn pleon kanonika.

FILHS: Sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Sthn Aqhna exoyme sxoleia sta opoia exoyn lhjei oi katalhceis. Anaferomai sto paradeigma toy lykeioy toy Xalandrioy, toy opoioy oi maqhtes syzhthsan xqes me ton ypoyrgo Paideias. Pisteyw oti tis epomenes hmeres to fainomeno ayto qa exei mia tetoia ejelijh, wste na leitoyrghsoyn ta sxoleia.

FILHS: Mhpws exete kapoio stoixeio poy na deixnei posa sxoleia teloyn se katalhch kai se ti maqhtiko plhqysmo antistoixoyn;

REPPAS: Den exw -den to ekana kamia hmera- th diaqesh na kanw mia ariqmhtikh anafora se sxoleia poy briskontai katw apo ena sygkekrimeno kaqestws. Ta stoixeia ayta ta dinei to ypoyrgeio Paideias, einai sth diaqesh pantos endiaferomenoy, den einai mystika. Alla einai kati to opoio den exei thn prwth shmasia, kata th dikh mas apoch. Shmasia exei ola ta sxoleia na leitoyrghsoyn kai pali grhgora kai omala. Kai ena sxoleio na brisketai ypo katalhch, yparxei problhma. Emeis epiqymoyme na leitoyrghsoyn ola ta sxoleia amesws.

FILHS: To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai to Ypoyrgeio Paideias diafwnoyn ws pros ton ariqmo twn sxoleiwn poy leitoyrgoyn. Ayto prokyptei apo tis diafores plhrofories kai ta dhmosieymata.

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia diafwnia. Ta stoixeia ta opoia erxontai stis yphresies einai peripoy taytoshma. Oi opoies mikres diaforopoihseis prokyptoyn apo ena poly sygkekrimeno logo: To kaqestws se kaqe sxoleio parallassei. Se kapoia sxoleia exoyme ena kaqestws katalhchs, se kapoia alla sxoleia apexoyn maqhtes h empodizontai kapoioi alloi maqhtes na proselqoyn kai na didaxtoyn ta maqhmata toys. Ara kai ekei den leitoyrgei to sxoleio. An qelete na milhsoyme gia ton ariqmo twn sxoleiwn poy den leitoyrgoyn kanonika, qa milhsoyme gia enan ariqmo, poy einai idios, eite ta stoixeia ayta erxontai apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, eite apo opoiadhpote allh yphresia. An qelete na katatajoyme ta sxoleia se diafores kathgories, qa deite oti kai pali ekei h ektimhsh twn stoixeiwn einai h idia. Den einai oi diafores tetoies, wste na dikaiologoyn thn ejagwgh politikwn symperasmatwn gia dhqen skopimothtes poy ypokryptontai sthn anadeijh aytwn twn stoixeiwn.

FILHS: Xqes, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekane kapoies dhlwseis. Stekomai sto meros poy afora thn Paideia. Ekei eipe oti kata th gnwmh toy den prepei na tiqetai ws proypoqesh na anoijoyn ta sxoleia, gia na yparjei dialogos -kai malista anoixtos, opws eipe, dialogos- metajy twn maqhtwn kai ths kybernhshs. Symmerizetai ayth thn apoch h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ma, o Ypoyrgos Paideias einai se dialogo me foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas. Synanthse xqes toys ekproswpoys twn kaqhghtwn ths texnikhs kai epaggelmatikhs ekpaideyshs. Exei shmera synanthsh me toys kaqhghtes twn idiwtikwn sxoleiwn. Exei syzhthsei kai me maqhtes. Pisteyw oti h protash ayth toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy kalo einai na akoystei apo toys ekpaideytikoys leitoyrgoys kai toys maqhtes, na epidiwjoyn mia synanthsh me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta qemata poy exoyn koino endiaferon. Kata ta alla, to qema ths antimetwpishs aytwn twn kinhtopoihsewn me dialogo einai dikh mas epilogh. Kat` epanalhch exoyme milhsei gia thn ajia toy dialogoy, den einai kati kainoyrgio. S` ayto symfwnoyme oloi. Ayto to opoio omws den mas briskei symfwnoys einai h ypokrisia poy epideiknyetai apo diafores pleyres, na xrhsimopoieitai kaqe dhlwsh me tetoio tropo, wste na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis, xwris na epidiwketai h paragwgh oysiastikoy apotelesmatos. Kai anaferomai, p. x., twra stis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Karamanlhs, o opoios apo th mia kalei toys maqhtes na epanelqoyn sta sxoleia, apo thn allh fanera ypokriths -sth sygkekrimenh toylaxiston periptwsh- den mporei na epibalei th grammh toy kommatos toy sta kommatika toy stelexh, ta opoia sth dioikhsh ths OLME throyn mia sklhrh stash kai synteloyn me kaqe tropo sto na synexistei h mh leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn.

FILHS: Eipate oti oi maqhtes qa prepei na zhthsoyn na doyn ton k. Arsenh. O k. Arsenhs qa exei na toys pei kati sygkekrimeno h qa einai mia agonh synanthsh me toys maqhtes;

REPPAS: An qewroyme oti o dialogos exei ek twn pragmatwn ajia prepei na ton epidiwkoyme, xwris na prodikazoyme to apotelesma toy. Pisteyw oti, opws sto parelqon egine dialogos, etsi kai twra h gefyra toy dialogoy den prepei na pesei. Qa prepei oi foreis ths ekpaideytikhs koinothtas, thn porta toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias poy einai anoixth, na thn plhsiasoyn, na th diaboyn, na pane sto grafeio toy Ypoyrgoy Paideias kai na syzhthsoyn ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn.

MIXAHL: Milhsate gia ypeyqynh stash apo oloys, gia cyxraimia kai aytosygkrathsh. Kat` arxhn, gia na to lete, poioi den throyn th stash ayth;

REPPAS: Oloi oi alloi ektos ths kybernhshs kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias.

MIXAHL: Poioi einai oi "alloi";

REPPAS: Oloi oi alloi oi opoioi exoyn amesh h emmesh sxesh me to zhthma poy exei dhmioyrghqei.

MIXAHL: Sygkatalegete s` aytoys kai politikoys foreis; To KKE, to Synaspismo, th N. D....;

REPPAS: Ma, den milhsame gi` ayta, sygkekrimena, mia ebdomada prin sthn Ellhnikh Boylh;

MIXAHL: Exei shmasia. Sth Boylh sas eipan tis apoceis toys kai eipate tis dikes sas. Ennow meta apo mia ebdomada, synexizete na qewreite pws ...

REPPAS: Se mia ebdomada den exoyme allajei apoceis. Pisteyoyme oti kai ta politika kommata me th stash toys symballoyn sth synthrhsh aytoy toy fainomenoy. H stash toys den einai ypeyqynh stash.

MIXAHL: Na rwthsw kati akomh: Oles aytes oi kinhtopoihseis twn maqhtwn, sta osa ypo katalhch sxoleia yparxoyn kata tis ektimhseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias, to xqesino gegonos ston Peiraia, ektimate oti entassetai se kapoies syntonismenes energeies kapoiwn kommatwn gia na fqeiroyn thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati poy mporei na to ektimhsei kaneis. Alla nomizw oti ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs einai logiko na epidiwkoyn th fqora ths kybernhshs. To qema einai ean ayto to epidiwkoyn me nomimes kai dhmokratikes diadikasies h me thn epideijh mias alazonikhs kai aytarxikhs symperiforas mikrwn omadwn opadwn toys. Sto deytero diafwnoyme. To prwto einai paradekto. Einai stoixeio twn kanonwn mias dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias sthn koinwnia. Kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

KIAOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos -epanerxomai- eipe epi lejh, apantwntas sthn erwthsh gia dialogo me kleista h anoixta sxoleia, oti "proypoqeseis h oroi efeyriskontai apo ekeinoys oi opoioi adynatoyn na doyn thn oysia katafatsa" kai se stoixeia poy paraballei, dinei mono "anoixtos kai eilikrinhs dialogos". Anaferetai sto dialogo kai me toys maqhtes, safws. Ti apantate, ti qesh pairnete epi toy qematos poy leei "oxi proypoqeseis, oxi proapaitoymena, oxi oroi, opws einai";

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi` ayto to qema prin. Apla symplhrwnw, ypenqymizontas sas th dhlwsh poy ekane ekproswpos ths OLME, prin liges hmeres, otan eklhqhsan oi kaqhghtes na synanthsoyn ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, dhlwsh h opoia htan poly sygkekrimenh: "Ayth h prosklhsh gia dialogo einai ena prosxhma xwris periexomeno kai gi` ayto thn aporriptoyme". Ara, loipon, o dialogos gia mas apotelei epilogh prwths grammhs. Peran toy dialogoy kai ths synennohshs, den yparxei allos dromos gia na lynoyme ta problhmata.

KIAOS: O dialogos basei poias hmerhsias diatajews twn qematwn qa ginei;

REPPAS: Ayto einai to elaxisto. Mporoyn na to antimetwpisoyn oi foreis poy epiqymoyn na synanthqoyn kai na syzhthsoyn. Molis xqes o armodios Ypoyrgos eipe oti h porta toy einai anoixth kai kalei oloys na ton synanthsoyn kai na syzhthsoyn. Den yparxei tetoio qema. H shmaia toy dialogoy einai shmaia poy emeis thn exoyme pantote chla. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

KIAOS: Sxetika me thn prohgoymenh anafora sas ston k. Karamanlh. To lete to idio kai gia toys syndikalistes poy einai stelexh ths PASKE toy PASOK kai einai syndikalistes sto xwro twn kaqhghtwn; To idio pragma poy eipate gia ton k. Karamanlh;

REPPAS: Asfalws oxi, giati exoyn diaforetikh stash. Oi kaqhghtes, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, poy ekfrazoyn thn paratajh poy proskeitai politika sto kybernwn komma, gnwrizete oti exoyn zhthsei thn epanaleitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn. Yparxei mia poly diaforetikh stash. O logos mas einai eyqys kai synephs. Ayta poy leme, ayta pisteyoyme oti prepei na ginoyn. Den miloyme gia na dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis kai mono.

KIAOS: Qewreite oti oi syndikalistes mporei na kinoyntai akhdemoneyta kai aytonoma apo ta kommata;

REPPAS: Asfalws, prepei na kinoyntai aytonoma. O syndikalismos prepei na einai akhdemoneytos. Kai lypoymaste giati yparxoyn syndikata ta opoia ypakoyoyn tyfla se kommatikes kai mono grammes kai, prokeimenoy na sthrijoyn thn politikh enos kommatos, diakybeyoyn ta symferonta twn ergazomenwn toys opoioys ypotiqetai oti ekproswpoyn. Tetoia paradeigmata mporw na anaferw polla.

KIAOS: Den katalaba pws "pantreyete" ayta me ton k. Karamanlh tote!

REPPAS: Pws den "pantreyontai"; Askei epirroh kaqe politikos. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei mia tetoia sxesh poy den epitrepei thn ejagwgh symperasmatwn san ayta sta opoia eseis odhgeiste. Oti yparxoyn syndikata, ta opoia eyqygrammizontai apolyta me th grammh toy KKE. Den kanoyn, qa 'lega, politikh gia ta syndikata toys. Kanoyn politikh gia to KKE, sto opoio proskeintai kapoioi poy ekproswpoyn ergazomenoys se sygkekrimeno syndikato. To idio symbainei perissotero h ligotero kai se oles tis alles periptwseis.

KIAOS: Kai sthn OLME;

REPPAS: Kai sthn OLME symbainei, bebaiws, se kapoio baqmo. Gi` ayto akribws kanei entypwsh kai h stash toy k. Karamanlh o opoios, "stentoria th fwnh", gia na deijei oti einai politikos me eyqynh milaei me ayton ton tropo thn wra poy oi "ekproswpoi" toy kommatos toy, sto sygkekrimeno symboylio ths OLME, exoyn teleiws diaforetikh stash.

KIAOS: En pash periptwsei ayto poy eipate gia ton aytonomo, ton akhdemoneyto k. t. l. syndikalismo einai aplws eyxh, einai diakhryjh...;

REPPAS: Einai qesh sthn opoia symfwnoyme oloi. Makari, kapoia stigmh, ayto na apotelesei kaqestws sto syndikalistiko kinhma ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, eprepe h DAKE na symfwnei me ton k. Karamanlh, epeidh den sas symferei esas;

REPPAS: Me thn erwthsh sas anadeiknyete ena problhma poy exei o k. Karamanlhs. Den to exoyme emeis. An qelete na to epishmanete den exw kamia antirrhsh na to kanete. Qa moy epitrecete, omws, na pw oti, otan kapoios politikos arxhgos milaei me ayton ton tropo kai se ayton ton tono gia na paroysiastei, dhqen, ws ypeyqynos politikos qa prepei na antilhfqei oti h ypokrisia exei ta oria ths. Den mporei, thn idia stigmh, oi braxiones toy kommatos toy se ena sygkekrimeno xwro na exoyn mia tetoia stash, h opoia brisketai se teleiws diaforetikh kateyqynsh apo ayth thn opoia o idios dhmosia anaggellei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, na ejartwntai apo to komma 100% oi syndikalistes; Na mhn exoyn proswpikh apoch h proswpikh gnwmh;

REPPAS: Eseis ayto katalabate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis ayto den to qelete, sas enoxlei dhladh;

REPPAS: Kanete megalo laqos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti, epeidh ta perissotera xronia kyberna to PASOK, oi kybernhseis toy exoyn dokimasei thn aytonomia twn syndikalistwn ston tropo me ton opoio anaptyssoyn th syndikalistikh drasthriothta toys, h opoia einai paradekth, qemith kai mesa stoys kanones toy dhmokratikoy paixnidioy.

SOYGLERHS: Edw kai enamisi mhna, kai eseis apo ayto to bhma kai oloklhrh h kybernhsh, milate gia thn anagkaiothta ths ekpaideytikhs metarryqmishs. Qelw na rwthsw: Gia otidhpote symbainei ftaine oloi oi alloi; H kybernhsh kai o k. Arsenhs den exoyn meridio eyqynhs, poy ftasame se ayto to adiejodo;

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs htan eishghths enos nomoy ton opoio chfise h ellhnikh Boylh. Perase enas xronos kai ta kommata den symmeteixan se opoiadhpote diadikasia, h opoia qa ypodhlwne thn antiqesh toys sthn efarmogh toy nomoy. Otan ekdhlwqhkan aytes oi kinhtopoihseis, ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs anakalycan mia "shmaia eykairias" thn opoia ycwsan. Prospaqhsan na ekmetalleyqoyn tis synqhkes poy dhmioyrghqhkan gia na antipoliteyqoyn thn kybernhsh, me tropo agono kai mh paragwgiko. Ayto kataggelloyme.

KONTOPOYLOS: H k. Dhmhtra Papandreoy me synenteyjeis ths sta MME, ena apo ayta htan to MEGA, kathgorhse kai ton Prwqypoyrgo proswpika kai genikotera thn kybernhsh oti den topoqethqhkan sth diwjh gi` aythn kai ton idryth toy PASOK. H kybernhsh pws topoqeteitai, ti leei gi` ayto;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke ep` aytoy kai htan poly sygkekrimenh. Qa moy epitrecete na pw, omws, oti h mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy einai eqnikh perioysia. An, pragmatika, eilikrina pisteyoyme oti o Andreas Papandreoy yphrje mia proswpikothta eqnikoy diametrhmatos den qa prepei na temaxizoyme th mnhmh toy, oyte na thn prosetairizontai kapoioi, prokeimenoy na strafoyn enantion kapoiwn allwn. O Andreas Papandreoy anhkei sto synolo toy laoy mas, anhkei sthn ellhnikh istoria.

KONTOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h k. Papandreoy temaxizei th mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy kai prospaqei na ekmetalleyqei ayto gia proswpiko ofelos;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena symperasma sto opoio eseis odhgeiste. Egw eipa oti o Andreas Papandreoy einai eqnikh perioysia, anhkei se oloys. Den anhkei se kapoioys! Poly perissotero den mporei na apotelesei ergaleio kapoiwn gia na xrhsimopoihqei enantion kapoiwn allwn.

MOYRTZHS: H k. Dhmhtra Lianh, se synenteyjh ths xqes, sto STAR, eipe oti exei ypostei para polla deina, oti h diwjh ths sthn oysia apotelei diwjh enos nekroy kai xarakthrise tis dhlwseis twn epwnymwn stelexwn toy PASOK gennaies. O Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai na kanei kapoia dhlwsh sympaqeias pros thn k. Dhmhtra Lianh;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai epikefalhs ths kybernhshs, h opoia diatypwse safws th qesh ths gia to sygkekrimeno qema. O Prwqypoyrgos, se kaqe eykairia, ekfrazei thn timh toy sth mnhmh toy Andrea Papandreoy. Einai kati to opoio den epidexetai amfisbhthshs. Kai ayto einai poy exei shmasia.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, xqes, milhse me apajiwtiko tropo gia toys dikastes, kanontas logo gia mikrothta anajiwn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn. To erwthma moy einai poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs; Symmerizetai aytes tis apoceis;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poia qesh exei h kybernhsh epi twn sygkekrimenwn qematwn. Einai mia qesh synepeias, h opoia sas einai gnwsth. Den sxoliazei tis prwtoboylies h tis drasthriothtes twn dikastikwn organwn. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, to koino peri dikaioy aisqhma qa prepei ki ayto na lambanetai ypoch.

Sas eyxaristw poly!


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