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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-06-09

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Ioynioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Sth synedriash ayth egine mia anaskophsh kai enas programmatismos toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn eishghsh toy anaferqhke se seira qematwn poy apoteloyn toys kentrikoys stoxoys, tis basikes kateyqynseis ths kybernhshs gia thn periodo ayth.

O Prwqypoyrgos jekinhse thn eishghsh toy apo to pleon epikairo zhthma, ayto ths tromokratikhs energeias poy egine xqes sthn patrida mas. Ejefrase kai pali th sympaqeia olwn mas pros toys oikeioys toy dolofonhqentos stelexoys ths Bretanikhs Presbeias. Ejefrase th symparastash mas pros th bretanikh kybernhsh kai to bretaniko lao kai dhlwse, gia mia akomh fora, thn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na kanei otidhpote, proxwrwntas sth lhch olwn twn prosforwn kai katallhlwn metrwn, prokeimenoy na patajoyme ayth th mastiga: thn tromokratia.

O Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke shmera to prwi, prin apo th synedriash ths K.E., sto Grafeio toy thn episkeptomenh thn Aqhna Yfypoyrgo Amynas ths M. Bretanias kyria Simons, sthn opoia ejefrase kai pali ta aisqhmata ths kybernhshs kai toy ellhnikoy laoy gia to qlibero symban kai th diabebaiwse oti to metwpo antimetwpishs ths tromokratias, apo thn pleyra mas, einai sympages kai h prospaqeia mas einai diarkhs.

Kata thn topoqethsh toy o k. Shmiths milhse gia to fainomeno ayto, to opoio ekdhlwnetai gia arketa xronia sthn patrida mas, me synepeia na xanoyn anqrwpoi th zwh toys kai na qampwnei h eikona ths xwras mas, na ginetai trwth.

Epishmane thn anagkh, to qema ayto, poy einai meizonos shmasias, na apotelesei th bash gia th sygkrothsh enos eniaioy metwpoy apenanti sthn tromokratia, ths kybernhshs kai twn kommatwn, twn koinwnikwn kai epaggelmatikwn forewn, toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Ypogrammise, epishs, oti einai anagkh gia stenoterh kai apotelesmatikoterh synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn ths xwras mas, opws epishs anedeije thn anagkh ths apotelesmatikoterhs synergasias twn diwktikwn arxwn ths xwras mas me tis antistoixes yphresies allwn xwrwn. Me 34 xwres exoyme ypogracei sxetikes symfwnies gia synergasia se ayto ton tomea. Ara, yparxei plaisio entos toy opoioy oi yphresies ths xwras mas kai twn allwn xwrwn synergazontai kai entos aytoy toy plaisioy kinoymenes epidiwkoyn ton koino stoxo: thn antimetwpish kai ejarqrwsh ths tromokratias.

O Prwqypoyrgos tonise epishs oti ayto to opoio exei, telikws, shmasia einai na epityxoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata kai gi` ayto akribws qa prepei, antiqeta me o,ti exei ginei ews twra, h prospaqeia mas sto mellon na einai to idio kai perissotero entonh, alla qa prepei na exoyme xeiropiasta apotelesmata sto telos ths kaqe prospaqeias mas. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth qa kinhqoyn oi armodies yphresies, oi opoies prosfata anadiarqrwqhkan, exoyn apokthsei enan perissotero epixeirhsiako h ``epiqetiko'' xarakthra, prokeimenoy na einai pio apotelesmatikh h drash toys.

Ena allo qema sto opoio anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos einai ayto poy exei sxesh me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004. Tonise oti, meta tis syskeceis poy eginan tis teleytaies ebdomades, oloi exoyme pleon mia safh eikona gia to poioi einai oi eyaisqhtoi tomeis stoys opoioys prepei na ``rijoyme'' to baros mas thn epomenh periodo. Eipe oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes mporei na mhn ephreazoyn kaqoristika th zwh twn Ellhnwn politwn se koinwniko kai oikonomiko epipedo, apoteloyn omws enan poly shmantiko @politiko an qelete- stoxo, peran toy oti einai mia megalh politistikh @ aqlhtikh diorganwsh, giati h epityxhs diorganwsh ths Olympiadas qa anadeijei kai to qetiko proswpo ths sygxronhs kai isxyrhs Elladas. Enw, antiqetws, ta opoia problhmata tyxon parathrhqoyn sth diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn qa exoyn antistoixws kai tis dysmeneis synepeies toys gia th xwra mas sto synolo ths. Ypogrammise thn anagkh, oloi oi ypoyrgoi -poy exoyn armodiothtes gia qemata poy aforoyn thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia thn Olympiada toy 2004- na epidiwjoyn akomh pio stenh kai entonh synergasia gia na antimetwpisoyme, sto syntomotero dynato xroniko diasthma, tis ekkremothtes poy yparxoyn. Tonise, epishs, oti h syndesh poy ginetai apo kapoioys ``kaloqelhtes'', me aformh to xqesino tromokratiko xtyphma, oson afora th diejagwgh ths Olympiadas se asfaleis synqhkes gia toys aqlhtes, toys qeates kai genika toys polites, den prepei na ginetai, giati den exei logikh bash kai en pash periptwsei den einai dikaiologhmenh.

Ena trito qema, sto opoio anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, einai ayto poy tis teleytaies hmeres apasxolei, se kapoio baqmo, thn ellhnikh koinwnia kai afora ta deltia anagnwrishs twn politwn apo tis Astynomikes Arxes. Epanelabe th qesh pws oi roloi ths Politeias kai ths Ekklhsias einai diakritoi. Asfalws, eipe, yparxei koino pedio sto opoio h Politeia kai oi ekproswpoi ths Ierarxias syzhtoyn gia qemata ta opoia prepei na antimetwpistoyn. Kai yparxoyn tetoia qemata. Apo thn allh, omws, h Politeia exei th safh armodiothta na lambanei apofaseis epi seira qematwn poy den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me ta kaqhkonta ths Ierarxias. Ara, h Ierarxia epi twn qematwn aytwn den einai dynato na apaitei na exei kaqoristikh gnwmh.

Epanelabe, akomh, pws h kybernhsh den qewrei oti brisketai se antiparaqesh me toys ekproswpoys ths Ierarxias, doqentos oti den yparxei bash gia mia tetoia antiparaqesh, afoy h Politeia den qewrei pws h Ekklhsia ths Elladas apotelei antipalo ths.

Oson afora to qema @kai einai to tetarto shmeio sto opoio anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos- ths entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE, eipe oti me dedomenh thn apofash toy ECOFIN einai bebaio oti th meqepomenh Deytera, 19 Ioynioy, h apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy qa einai qetikh, gia thn oristikh kai typika entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE. To qema ayto, to opoio mas apasxolhse ta teleytaia xronia kai ypagoreyse, se polles periptwseis, basikes kybernhtikes politikes, apotelei ena oroshmo gia th xwra mas. Pisteyoyme oti mporei polloi na qewroyn oti to apotelesma ayths ths epityxoys prospaqeias exei mikrh sxetika shmasia, twra pleon poy qewreitai aytonohth h entajh mas sthn ONE, prepei omws na analogistoyn kai aytoi pws antimetwpizame to stoxo ayto prin apo liga xronia, to 1994, otan oloi qewroysame pws tipota den einai aytonohto, antiqetws fainotan oti qa eprepe na kataballoyme terastia prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na ton petyxoyme. Kai shmera to stoxo ayto ton exoyme petyxei.

Sto plaisio ths oloklhrwshs ths diadikasias entajhs ths Elladas sthn ONE, organwnontai ekdhlwseis poy exoyn apokleistiko xarakthra thn peraiterw enhmerwsh-plhroforhsh twn Ellhnwn politwn gia to mellon ths Elladas, ws xwras pleon ths ONE.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei , thn erxomenh ebdomada, ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia na ton enhmerwsei sxetika. Sth synexeia, thn erxomenh Pempth, se ekdhlwsh poy organwnetai sto Zappeio Megaro qa ekfwnhsei sxetikh omilia. Thn Paraskeyh (16/6) organwnetai kai pali sto Zappeio hmerida sthn opoia qa symmetexoyn stelexh ths kybernhshs, koinwnikoi kai oikonomikoi paragontes, poy qa milhsoyn gia th shmasia ayths ths ejelijhs. Thn idia hmera o Prwqypoyrgos analambanei prwtoboylia kai qa synanthqei me toys politikoys arxhgoys, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsei kai na akoysei kai tis dikes toys apoceis enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Porto ths Portogalias. Opws gnwrizete, stis 19 kai 20 toy mhna qa synelqei to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio, to opoio qa labei kai typika thn apofash gia thn entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Ayto qa ginei to prwi ths 19hs Ioynioy, kata thn enarjh dhladh twn ergasiwn ths Synodoy. To brady ths idias hmeras qa synelqei ektaktws to ECOFIN, prokeimenoy na epikyrwsei @epeidh ayto exei thn armodiothta- thn politikh apofash twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn ki etsi na oloklhrwqei h entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE.

Amesws meta th Synodo Koryfhs qa prepei na sthrijoyme @kai einai h kateyqynsh poy exoyme- ekdhlwseis poy qa ginoyn se olh thn Ellada, me prwtoboylia Epimelhthriwn h allwn epaggelmatikwn kai koinwnikwn forewn, opoy qa syzhthqoyn ta qemata poy sxetizontai me th symmetoxh ths Elladas sthn ONE. Epishs, sto plaisio aytwn twn ekdhlwsewn qa episkefqei thn Ellada o Proedros ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Pronti, o opoios kai qa ekfwnhsei sxetikh omilia, thn Paraskeyh, 23 Ioynioy.

O Prwqypoyrgos proxwrhse epishs sthn epishmansh twn qematwn poy qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme ws plhres, pleon, melos ths ONE. Qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn proodo twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn stis opoies prepei na proxwrhsoyme. Anaferqhke sta paradeigmata ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias kai ths Emporikhs Trapezas kai epishmane thn anagkh oti oi allages aytes den qa prepei, bebaiws, na kamptontai apo to fobo toy opoioy politikoy kostoys, apo thn allh omws qa prepei na proxwroyn kai na oloklhrwnontai, efoson ejasfalizontai oi symferontes oroi gia to ellhniko Dhmosio kai gia tis sygkekrimenes epixeirhseis tis opoies aforoyn oi opoies diarqrwtikes allages, kaqws kai gia toys idioys toys ergazomenoys twn epixeirhsewn aytwn.

Ena allo qema, peran twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn, einai ekeino poy afora thn prosarmogh ths xwras mas sto nomismatiko mhxanismo, o opoios diamorfwnetai me ta nea dedomena, afoy einai gnwsto oti apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2002 qa kykloforei pleon to eniaio nomisma, to EYRW, to opoio qa xrhsimopoioyme. Hdh, to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias exei analabei tis sxetikes prwtoboylies. Oles oi yphresies toy Dhmosioy proetoimazontai katallhlws.

To epomeno shmeio ths eishghshs toy aforoyse th diadikasia gia thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Gnwrizete oti gia to qema ayto exei ginei sxetikh syzhthsh sthn prohgoymenh Boylh. Eishghths, ek meroys ths K.O. toy PASOK, einai o k. Benizelos, o opoios exei analabei thn ypoxrewsh na diatypwsei ypomnhma me tis qeseis poy yposthrizei h K.O. toy PASOK gia ta arqra poy qa tyxoyn syzhthshs kai, endexomenws, anaqewrhshs.

Ena allo shmeio, to opoio qa anadeixqei kata thn epomenh periodo, einai ayto poy afora thn perifereiakh politikh, me thn ajiopoihsh twn porwn toy G@ Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs, poy qa dwsei mia nea anaptyjiakh wqhsh sthn ellhnikh Perifereia.

O Prwqypoyrgos ekane anafora kai se diafora alla qemata, opws, gia paradeigma, ayto poy prepei na antimetwpisoyme, logw apofashs poy yparxei apo thn E.E. gia thn apokomidh twn aporrimmatwn sta Xania. Einai to gnwsto qema toy Koyroyphtoy. Qa prepei syntoma na laboyme telikh apofash. Kai ayto qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres, doqentos oti, apo tis 4 Ioylioy, qa arxisei na epiballetai sth xwra mas sxetiko prostimo, an den antimetwpistei h yfistamenh katastash.

Anaferqhke, bebaiws, se qemata, poly shmantika, opws ayta poy aforoyn thn ejwterikh politikh kai thn poreia ths Eyrwphs, shmeiwnontas oti exoyn diatypwqei diafores apoceis. Apo thn pleyra toy k. Fiser exei diatypwqei oloklhrwmenh protash gia to mellon ths Eyrwphs kai th leitoyrgia twn organwn ths E.E. Apo thn pleyra ekproswpwn allwn xwrwn, opws, p.x. ths Gallias, prowqeitai h idea ths eyelijias, h opoia prepei na xarakthrizei th leitoyrgia twn koinotikwn organwn. Yparxei enas problhmatismos gyrw apo ola ayta qemata, ta opoia qa analyqoyn perissotero thn epomenh periodo kai qa lhfqoyn apofaseis sto plaisio ths Diakybernhtikhs Diaskechs sto telos toy xronoy.

Anaferqhke sthn episkech toy sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs kai ypogrammise oti ta qemata Dioikhshs einai poly shmantika giati aforoyn thn kaqhmerinh zwh toy polith. Anefere, sxetika, oti exoyn analhfqei shmantikes draseis kai oti prepei na synexisoyme, wste na ginoyme pio apotelesmatikoi, se ayto ton tomea. Ekane mia genikh anafora sth qesh arxhs, oti qa prepei h kybernhsh, to kratos na deijei megalyterh apotelesmatikothta kai oti oi apofaseis qa prepei na xarakthrizontai gia thn poiothta toy periexomenoy, alla kai thn taxythta me thn opoia lambanontai. H kybernhsh qa prepei -opws eipe- na anoigei dromoys, na qetei stoxoys, na kinhtopoiei tis koinwnikes dynameis, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Den prepei na parameinoyme telmatwmenoi se akinhsia, h opoia den paragei apotelesmata. Giati mono etsi, akoloyqwntas, dhladh, mia -opws xarakthristika eipe- emprosqobarh politikh, se shmantikoys tomeis qa mporesoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme tis baseis gia mia kinhsh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias pros to mellon. Kai na diathrhsoyme, ws kybernhsh kai ws politikos foreas, thn hgemonikh qesh poy exoyme shmera sthn politikh skhnh ths xwras.

O Prwqypoyrgos ekleise anaferomenos sthn prosfath Synodo Koryfhs sto Berolino, opoy symmeteixan 14 hgetes, apo polles xwres toy kosmoy. To idiaitera shmantiko apotelesma ayths ths synanthshs twn hgetwn -poy kat` arxhn fainotan oti qa apoteloyse aplws kai mono ena pedio gia akadhmaikoy h politikoy xarakthra syzhthseis- einai oti egine proseggish gia th lhch praktikwn metrwn, gia thn efarmogh, dhladh, twn politikwn prwtoboyliwn. Idiws se qemata ta opoia den eixan, mexri twra, apasxolhsei organa ayths ths periwphs. Ta qemata ayta aforoyn, fer` eipein, ta xreh twn ftwxwn xwrwn toy planhth mas kai to pws prepei na ryqmistei ayto to qema. Aforoyn tis asqeneies poy plhttoyn polles xwres, kyriws ths Afrikhs. Aforoyn, epishs, to pws prepei na syntonisoyn tis draseis toys oi aneptygmenes kai oi ligotero aneptygmenes xwres, prokeimenoy na poreyqoyn stis synqhkes ths neas oikonomias, sto plaisio ths koinwnias ths plhroforias, sthn opoia, hdh, exoyme eiselqei.

Ayta htan ta qemata, ta opoia eqese o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi synadelfoi aneptyjan me syntomia -qa elega- tis apoceis toys.

O k. Xrysoxoidhs, o opoios elabe amesws meta to logo, ekane mia pio ektetamenh anafora sta qemata ths armodiothtas toy, me aformh th xqesinh tromokratikh energeia. Anaferqhke arxika sthn istorikh seira twn gegonotwn kai sto pws akribws egine to tromokratiko ktyphma. Anaferqhke stis aitiaseis poy akoygontai gia to nomiko-qesmiko plaisio kai epeshmane pws epi twn hmerwn diakybernhshs ths N.D., h opoia eixe ena -kata th gnwmh ths- pio aysthro plaisio, kai pali den yphrxan apotelesmata, enw eixame polla tetoia kroysmata.

Anaferqhke, epishs, sto genikotero koinwniko klima to opoio yphrxe palaiotera, oson afora ayta ta fainomena, se syndyasmo me th sxetikh ``xalarwsh'' -an qelete- poy epikratoyse stis diwktikes arxes, sthn periodo meta thn ptwsh ths diktatorias, otan -gia logoys koinwnikoys, cyxologikoys kai politikoys- eixe kamfqei pragmatika h drasthriothta twn diwktikwn arxwn, enw antiqetws, apo thn pleyra twn politwn yphrxe mia, an oxi anoxh, en pash periptwsei apostasiopoihsh apo tetoioy eidoys energeies. Shmera ta pragmata exoyn allajei. Oi diwktikes arxes einai poly kalytera organwmenes, exoyn efodia sth diaqesh toys, prokeimenoy na epitelesoyn to ergo toys. Parallhla, to koinwniko periballon apaitei apo tis armodies yphresies na kinhtopoihqoyn apotelesmatika gia na pataxqei ayth h egklhmatikh drasthriothta.

Anaferqhke, epishs, sto qema ths epikeimenhs ypografhs toy prwtokolloy ``kalwn proqesewn'' metajy Elladas kai HPA gia thn astynomikh synergasia. Eipe oti einai kati antistoixo me ayto sto opoio h Ellada exei proxwrhsei me alles 34 xwres. Kai bebaiws, h ypografh qa ginei se analogo epipedo apo tis dyo xwres, afoy exoyme oristikes apanthseis apo thn pleyra twn HPA, meta thn antimetwpish sxetikwn diadikastikwn, yphresiakwn qematwn poy apoteloyn kai eswteriko toys zhthma. Milhse gia thn anadiarqrwsh, h opoia exei ginei stis diwktikes arxes, poy exoyn anaptyjei dynameis me eidikh empeiria kai gnwseis, afoy exoyn ekpaideytei polla stelexh toys kai sto ejwteriko, gia thn antimetwpish tetoiwn qematwn. Exoyn enan xarakthra kai mia apostolh epixeirhsiakh. Den einai mono omades poy meletoyn stoixeia, analyoyn kai bgazoyn aplws symperasmata, alla exoyn mia synexh kaqhmerinh drash.

O ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, ekleise thn parembash toy anaferomenos sthn prwtoboylia poy prepei o idios na analabei, thn epomenh periodo, wste na proxwrhsei se anadiarqrwsh twn yphresiwn ths ELAS, legontas pws ta protypa ta opoia isxyoyn shmera einai jeperasmena. Anaferqhke sto qesmo twn polydynamwn astynomikwn tmhmatwn, poy idryqhkan to 1995, kai epishmane thn anagkh na proxwrhsoyme se mia anadiarqrwsh ston tomea ayto, pragma to opoio sxediazei kai qa ejaggeilei stis arxes Fqinopwroy.

Telos, epishmane thn anagkh na lhfqoyn ola ta aparaithta metra -legontas pws oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kinoyntai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh- wste na organwsoyme ena plaisio asfaloys diejagwghs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARELIAS: Prosanatolizetai h kybernhsh se allagh ths yfistamenhs nomoqesias gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias, pros poia kateyqynsh kai an ayth h kateyqynsh qa einai pros ayto poy ypedeije gia paradeigma, xqes, o k. Mhtsotakhs.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gia to qema ayto exoyme milhsei. Exoyme pei oti tetoio qema den exoyme antimetwpisei kai den antimetwpizoyme. Sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs, stis armodies yphresies, exoyn antallagei apoceis gia tetoia qemata, ta opoia sxetizontai me oriakes beltiwseis poy aforoyn th dikonomikh pleyra ths aponomhs dikaiosynhs, oxi ton pyrhna toy qesmikoy h toy nomikoy plaisioy. Ola ayta ta qemata apasxoloyn tis armodies yphresies. Ayth thn wra, den yparxei opoiadhpote allagh, ara, den prokyptei otidhpote kainoyrgio se sxesh me ayta poy gnwrizete.

KARELIAS: Otan lete dikonomikh pleyra, mporeite na mas peite pros poia kateyqynsh;

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia syzhtoyn oi armodies yphresies. Den einai ypeyqyno na proxwrhsoyme se anakoinwseis, ayth thn wra, epishmws, otan den exoyn lhfqei apofaseis. Sas lew, omws, oti qewroyme pws to plaisio ayto einai eparkes. Prepei -kai ayto ejetazetai- na antimetwpisoyme qemata dikonomikoy xarakthra kai tipota allo.

KARELIAS: Afora to qesmo twn enorkwn, gia paradeigma;

REPPAS: Metajy twn qematwn, ta opoia apasxoloyn aytes tis synergasies, einai kai ayto sto opoio anafereste.

BITALHS: H proqesh poy ekdhlwse, gia allh mia fora, o Prwqypoyrgos gia apotelesmatikoterh antimetwpish toy fainomenoy ths tromokratias, egkeitai se ayth thn oriakh dikonomikoy xarakthra allagh poy epishmanate;

REPPAS: Egkeitai se seira prwtoboyliwn, opws entatikopoihsh ths drashs twn armodiwn arxwn, stenoterh synergasia twn yphresiwn poy exoyn armodiothta gia to qema ayto kai synergasia me yphresies allwn xwrwn. Alla, bebaiws, ola ayta antilambaneste pws den einai dynato na apotelesoyn to periexomeno mias dhmosias anakoinwshs apo thn pleyra mas. Giati oi arxes se ayto ton tomea, qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn etsi, wste na mhn einai gnwsto ti prwtoboylies analambanoyn. Alliws, den mporei na einai apotelesmatikes.

BITALHS: Anaferqhkate, pali, sto mnhmonio ths synergasias me tis HPA. Qelw na sas rwthsw, poia ekkremothta paramenei sta diadikastika qemata kai an h ypografh ayth, poy eipate oti qa ginei mesa ston Ioynio, einai se epipedo ypoyrgwn kai apo tis dyo pleyres.

REPPAS: Den eipa oti qa einai mesa ston Ioynio. Eipa oti qa ginei se syntomo xroniko diasthma, afoy exoyme thn telikh apanthsh apo thn pleyra twn HPA, poy prepei na antimetwpisoyn eswteriko toys zhthma, epeidh akribws, to qema ayto kata th dikh toys epilogh, den qa teqei se chfoforia se kapoio nomoqetiko swma ths xwras toys. Exw pei -apantwntas palaiotera sthn idia erwthsh- pws ayto to keimeno den qa teqei, epishs, pros syzhthsh kai chfoforia sthn ellhnikh Boylh. H ypografh toy keimenoy aytoy -to periexomeno toy opoioy mporw na pw oti exei symfwnhqei, den yparxoyn diafwnies- qa ypografei se analogo epipedo apo tis dyo pleyres. Qa ypogracei o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs me thn antistoixh ypoyrgo poy exei th sxetikh armodiothta. Gnwrizw oti h armodia ypoyrgos twn HPA einai h k. Rino. Pisteyw oti ayto qa ginei, efoson symfwnhsoyn kai oi dyo pleyres. An apofasistei na ypografei to keimeno ayto se epipedo arxhgwn twn astynomikwn arxwn, qa ginei ayto.

BITALHS: Anaferate, xqes, oti me aformh th synenteyjh toy prwhn arxhgoy ths CIA zhtate th dikastikh syndromh gia na kataqesei toys isxyrismoys toy. Ypoblhqhke epishmws to aithma ths dikastikhs syndromhs;

REPPAS: Asxoloyntai oi armodioi toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs me to qema ayto kai exoyn proxwrhsei se oles tis aparaithtes energeies.

KAPPOS: Epeidh milhsate gia oriakes allages prin apo merikes hmeres, me aformh mia protash apo pleyra ths N.D., poy anaferotan akribws se tetoies oriakes allages, dhladh, xrhsimopoihse akribws to paradeigma ths allaghs synqeshs twn dikasthriwn kai eqese to qema twn enorkwn, eixate apanthsei tote arnhtika@

REPPAS: To eipa, molis prin kai paramenw se ayto. Sas eipa oti den exei lhfqei kamia apofash, den exoyme antimetwpisei tetoio qema, oyte kai twra antimetwpizoyme tetoio qema. Alla, bebaiws, einai skeceis oi opoies antallassontai. Einai allo to ena, allo to allo. Kai paramenoyme se ayth th qesh.

KAPPOS: Profanws, den qelw na sas balw se peirasmo h sth qesh na kanete kapoio dialogo me thn ``17N''. Alla, yparxei ena texniko zhthma, to opoio prokyptei apo thn prokhryjh. Yparxei DNA ths ``17N'' sta xeria twn ellhnikwn arxwn; Nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto toy DNA exoyme syzhthsei sto parelqon. Den prokeitai, ayth thn wra, na mpoyme se mia syzhthsh, me aformh to keimeno ths prokhryjhs ths ``17N''. Antilambaneste pws einai apexqhs ayth kai mono h prospaqeia poy kanoyn na dwsoyn politiko h ideologiko xarakthra kai na dikaiologhsoyn mia dolofonikh energeia. Den prokeitai, loipon -kai den yparxei pedio gia syzhthsh- na mpoyme se opoiodhpote sxoliasmo.

KAPPOS: To qema einai kaqara texniko.

REPPAS: Giati einai texniko, dhladh; Se ti sas dieykolynei ayto; Qelete na apanthsw sto erwthma poy qetei h tromokratikh organwsh;

KAPPOS: Ayth exei mia qesh. Egw rwtaw, poia einai h dikh sas qesh.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei.

KAPPOS: Den einai qema qeshs, einai qema plhroforhshs.

REPPAS: Ti plhroforhshs; Na plhroforhsoyme to koino pws oi diwktikes astynomikes arxes qa kanoyn to ergo toys; Oi diwktikes arxes ereynoyn, syllegoyn stoixeia kai ta ajiopoioyn, prokeimenoy etsi na odhghqoyn se ena apotelesma. Elpizoyme na to epityxoyn.

KALARITHS: O k. Balyrakhs dhlwse, xqes, oti h synergasia metajy twn ellhnikwn yphresiwn kai twn amerikanikwn einai toso stenh poy ``taytizontai'', ayth th lejh xrhsimopoihse. An ayto einai alhqeia, oi amerikanikes aitiaseis kata twn ellhnikwn yphresiwn, poy estiazontai;

REPPAS: Eseis peite moy poy estiazontai. Gnwrizw poly kala oti pragmati yparxei stenotath synergasia, metajy twn armodiwn yphresiwn twn dyo xwrwn. Para tayta, ta apotelesmata paramenoyn ftwxa.

ARGYROS: Eipate sthn arxh, oti syzhthsate gia tis taytothtes. Ektos apo tis taytothtes, gia poia alla qemata syzhthsate;

REPPAS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia aneqese o ellhnikos laos me thn chfo toy, na ta xeiristei h kybernhsh kai na pairnei apofaseis.

MPOTWNHS: Qa eixe antirrhsh h kybernhsh na ekdwsei h Ekklhsia taytothtes gia toys pistoys;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema den afora thn kybernhsh. Einai eswteriko zhthma ths Ekklhsias.

EYSTAQIOY: Poio einai to antikeimeno ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Pragmati, meta th synedriash ths K.E., synanthqhkan oi dyo andres kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, o opoios eleipe sto ejwteriko, enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia tis syzhthseis poy eixe. Epishs, syzhthsan qemata ta opoia exoyn prokycei ayth thn periodo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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