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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

O Prwqypoyrgos exei synanthsh, ayth thn wra, me toys kyrioys Eyaggelo Benizelo, Naso Aleyra, Thlemaxo Xythrh kai Kwsta Kartalh, gia ta qemata ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Stoxos einai na proetoimastei, kata ton kalytero tropo, epi ths oysias, h ayrianh Diypoyrgikh Epitroph. Stis 7 to apogeyma, qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Ayrio, stis 12 to meshmeri qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia thn proetoimasia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Ligo prin apo th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei thn ka Gianna Aggelopoyloy-Daskalakh.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa episkefqei to Nomismatokopeio gia na enhmerwqei gia thn poreia pros to EYRW. Stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth, me antikeimeno ton genikotero programmatismo drashs toy Kinhmatos.

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me antikeimeno qemata asfaleias kai eishghth ton armodio ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh. Stis 7 to apogeyma qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy PASOK, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Thn Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se epikaires erwthseis sth Boylh.

Ayto mexri stigmhs einai to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi ayth thn ebdomada. Gia o,ti neotero qa enhmerwqeite, eite kata th diarkeia twn synanthsewn mas, eite, an xreiastei, me allo tropo.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Oi bombardismoi amaxwn sto Afganistan synexizontai. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti kai h xwra mas kai h E.E. exoyn zhthsei epaneilhmmena apo tis HPA kai toys symmaxoys ths na apofygoyn ton bombardismo amaxwn. Einai safes oti oloi katalabainoyme oti o agwnas kata ths tromokratias, poy einai enas agwnas poy exei na kanei me thn yperaspish ths Dhmokratias, den prepei na syndeqei se kamia periptwsh me qymata metajy twn amaxwn, me qymata anqrwpoys poy den ftaine se tipota kai fysika einai aqwoi. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn ginei kinhseis, epafes me tis HPA, mesw ths E.E.. Einai gnwsth kai h proqesh ths kybernhshs mas kai h proqesh ths E.E. sthn opoia metexoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ayta pros to paron einai eyxes. Eyxes oi opoies einai mh pragmatopoihsimes. Me dedomenh thn yparxoysa katastash, h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa parei kapoio metro; Skeftetai na kanei kati, na kanei kapoia dhlwsh; H stash ths qa allajei apenanti sthn katastash, etsi opws diamorfwnetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh mas, h Ellada genikotera, metexei stoys Dieqneis Organismoys kai askei th drasthriothta ths mesa stoys Dieqneis Organismoys stoys opoioys symmetexei. Einai kai melos, opws gnwrizete, ths E.E. Einai safes oti h E.E. ejetazei, parakoloyqei oles tis ejelijeis kai ekei syzhtoyntai ola ayta ta zhthmata kai lambanontai oi sxetikes apofaseis. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio mexri ayth th stigmh. Einai gnwstes oi apofaseis ths E.E., toso oson afora thn apofygh epiqesewn kata twn amaxwn, oso kai oson afora th mh epektash se alles xwres twn energeiwn kata ths tromokratias. Me ejairesh, isws, kapoia eidikh periptwsh, thn opoia ayth th stigmh den mporw na problecw. Alla einai gnwsto oti exoyme milhsei kai gia th mh epektash toy polemoy kai gia ta zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn apofygh epiqesewn kata twn amaxwn. Apo kei kai pera, oi amerikanikes yphresies, jerete poly kala oti milhsan gia kapoio laqos h gia kapoia tetoia energeia. Den xreiazetai na kanw kapoion allo sxoliasmo, ayth th stigmh. O,ti prepei na syzhthqei, qa syzhthqei mesa stoys Dieqneis Organismoys stoys opoioys metexei kai h xwra mas.

KOYIN: Hqela na sas rwthsw sxetika me thn apocinh synanthsh poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys k. Benizelo, Aleyra kai Kartalh. Sygkekrimena qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean exei apofasistei, pws qa prosdioristoyn oi armodiothtes se aytoys toys epta yfypoyrgoys. Exei apofasisei o Prwqypoyrgoys pws qa syntonizetai ayto to sxhma h ayto qa apofasistei sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Xairomai gia thn erwthsh poy moy kanete, dioti moy dinete thn eykairia, epeidh akoysa kai to prwi kapoia sxolia, na kleisoyme oristika ayto to qema. Den exei allajei to sxhma gia thn olympiakh proetoimasia, oson afora thn kybernhsh bebaiws, giati yparxei pantote ``AQHNA-2004''. Oson afora thn kybernhsh yparxei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph h opoia qa synedriazei, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith. Ayth h synedriash qa ginei kai ayrio. Einai eynohto oti sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph metexoyn oi Ypoyrgoi poy feroyn thn kyria eyqynh toy syntonismoy ths drashs twn ypoyrgeiwn toys kai gi ayta ta zhthmata. Ean kapoios ypoyrgos, opws exei symbei kai sto parelqon, ektima oti epeidh exei ej oloklhroy ekxwrhsei kapoia armodiothta se kapoion yfypoyrgo, den xreiazetai na symmetexei kai prepei na antikatastaqei apo ton yfypoyrgo, ayto prepei na to pei o idios kai na synennohqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qelw na qymisw oti yparxei sxetiko prohgoymeno me ton ypofainomeno, me thn periptwsh toy Olympiakoy xwrioy, opoy o k. Giannitshs zhthse o idios apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na metexw egw, anti aytoy, sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph. Peran omws ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, yparxei h Omada Dioikhshs Ergoy, sthn opoia qa metexei -eite einai yfypoyrgos, eite genikos grammateas- ena melos ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy, poy qa exei oristei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo gia na parakoloyqei apokleistika ta qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Apo kei kai pera einai safes oti proekyce ena neo antikeimeno. Den proekyce twra, exei prokycei edw kai ligo kairo. Ayto to neo antikeimeno poy afora mia seira ypoyrgeiwn, einai h olympiakh proetoimasia. O Prwqypoyrgos epiqymei na yparxei ena atomo, to opoio na exei, ej oloklhroy, thn eyqynh kai na asxoleitai entatika me ta qemata ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Einai mia peraiterw eyqynh gia to kaqe ypoyrgeio. An, apo kei kai pera, qelei o armodios ypoyrgos na to kanei o idios h qelei na to kanei o yfypoyrgos h o genikos grammateas einai ypoqesh poy afora tis armodiothtes toy kaqe ypoyrgeioy. Hdh, oi armodiothtes aytes prosdiorizontai se xrono rekor. Yparxei protash toy armodioy ypoyrgoy kai apo kei kai pera synennohsh gia thn ypografh ths sxetikhs apofashs me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Meta th synennohsh Prwqypoyrgoy-Ypoyrgoy qa katanemhqoyn oi armodiothtes kai to qema ayto qa oloklhrwqei mesa stis epomenes hmeres. Den mas endiaferei, loipon, ean exei o ``x'' h o ``c'' thn armodiothta twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Prepei kapoios na thn parei. Einai ena epipleon ergo kai prepei na einai gnwsto poio melos ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy askei ayto to epipleon ergo. Peri aytoy prokeitai.

KOYIN: Dhladh, mas dinete na katalaboyme oti o k. Aleyras, paradeigmatos xarin, o opoios exei to megalytero ariqmo kataskeyastikwn ergwn, ayth th stigmh, parapanw kai apo to YPEXWDE, qa brisketai sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph thn Trith;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Aleyras qa metexei sth Diypoyrgikh, dioti exei mia idiaitera ayjhmenh eyqynh. Qelw na tonisw oti ayto ginotan kai mexri twra. Den einai kati poy allaje. Symmeteixe o k. Flwridhs mexri twra sth Diypoyrgikh. Den yparxei allagh epi toy qematos aytoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan egine to kainoyrgio Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oristhkan aytoi oi epta yfypoyrgoi gia ta olympiaka erga. Lete twra oti o ypoyrgos, an qelei, toy dinei tis armodiothtes. Tote, giati ton balane ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se synennohsh pantote me ton Prwqypoyrgo katanemontai oi armodiothtes. Ayto to gnwrizete. Exoyme ena ypoyrgeio, to opoio exei ``x'' doyleia. Sto ypoyrgeio ayto prostiqetai ena akomh megalo kommati poy afora thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Epi paradeigmati, qa sas pw, gia ena xwro poy gnwrizw kala: Sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias eixame th synhqh drasthriothta toy ypoyrgeioy, eite sth Grammateia Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn, eite se Genikes Grammateies ths Ergasias kai twn Koinotikwn Porwn. Eixame de kai th synhqh drasthriothta toy OEK, o opoios kataskeyazei ergatikes katoikies se olh thn Ellada. Prostiqetai, peran ths synhqoys drasthriothtas, toso h olympiakh ekpaideysh -prepei na ekpaideytoyn mia seira anqrwpoi gia ta nea epaggelmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai me thn eykairia twn O.A.- oso kai h kataskeyh enos ergoy meizonos shmasias, qa elega apo ta megalytera erga twn O.A, poy einai to Olympiako Xwrio. Exoyme, loipon, ena prosqeto ergo, to opoio analambanei ayto to ypoyrgeio. To idio ginetai kai me mia seira ypoyrgeia, ta opoia gnwrizete. Prepei na kalyfqei ayto to prosqeto ergo. Epeidh ayto to prosqeto ergo prepei na parakoloyqeitai stena kai apaitei ayjhmenh politikh eyqynh kai akribeia sthn parakoloyqhsh toy, kriqhke skopimo se mia seira apo ypoyrgeia, opoy yphrxe megalh dieyrynsh toy ergoy toys, na prosteqei ki enas yfypoyrgos gia na bohqhsei thn prospaqeia toy synoloy ths politikhs hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy. Ara, aytos o yfypoyrgos mporei na parei th sygkekrimenh olympiakh armodiothta, mporei na parei kai kapoia allh armodiothta, na elafrynei, dhladh, to genikotero ergo kai na krathsei, gia paradeigma, o antistoixos ypoyrgos thn armodiothta twn O.A. Einai, loipon, logw ths dieyrynshs toy ogkoy ths doyleias orismenwn ypoyrgeiwn, logw twn O.A. poy egine ayth h prosqesh twn yfypoyrgwn, ek twn opoiwn oi perissoteroi, opws gnwrizete, qa asxolhqoyn kai me qemata O.A.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan egine to kainoyrgio Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi epta htan safestato oti anelaban, toys ebale o k. Shmiths se ayta ta ypoyrgeia, gia toys O.A. Lete twra oti ama qelei o ypoyrgos qa toy dwsei armodiothtes, ean den toy dwsei ti qa kanei aytos; Qa exei th ``mersentes'' kai to grafeio kai tipota allo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat arxas, o ypoyrgos den einai ``ama qelei'', o ypoyrgos proteinei ston Prwqypoyrgo. Yparxei synennohsh metajy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ypoyrgoy, wste na lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis. O Prwqypoyrgos pairnei thn telikh apofash. Apo kei kai pera, qa hqela, epishs, na sas pw oti den yparxei problhma epi ths oysias. Hdh, prosdiorizontai aytes oi armodiothtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy ginetai xamos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ginetai kanenas xamos. Oi armodiothtes aytes prosdiorizontai se xrono rekor. Qelw na to shmeiwsete ayto: Se xrono rekor. Prostiqetai ena epipleon ergo. Ayto to epipleon ergo prepei kapoios na to kanei. Loipon, h prepei na to kanw egw kai na ekxwrhsw kati allo h prepei na to kanei aytos poy erxetai. Sth dikh mas sygkekrimenh periptwsh, opws gnwrizete, to ypoyrgeio MME, ektimhqhke oti den xreiazetai na prosteqei kapoios allos. Omws, o k. Xythrhs anelabe, ej oloklhroy, to qema ths epikoinwnias, epi ths oysias, symfwna me armodiothta h opoia qa yparxei kai sthn apofash. Ayto egine se ola ta ypoyrgeia. Sas eipa prin gia to ypoyrgeio Ergasias. Prosteqhke ena ergo 2.300 katoikiwn sto Lekanopedio. Einai terastio ergo. Prostiqetai h ekpaideysh dekadwn xiliadwn anqrwpwn gia qemata olympiakhs proetoimasias. Kapoios prepei na ta kanei ayta. Den shmainei, kat anagkh, oti qa einai kapoios yfypoyrgos. Ayto einai qema synennohshs, poy qa yparjei. Kapoios prepei na to kanei. Ayto mas endiaferei: Na yparxei kapoios poy na mporei na exei xrono na asxolhqei eidika me ta qemata ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Kai ayto qa lhjei mesa stis epomenes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean stis epikaires erwthseis ston Prwqypoyrgo qa einai kai ayth toy k. Kefalogiannh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqeite egkairws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai proxqes to idio moy eipate, oti qa enhmerwqw egkairws. Shmera lete oti qa syzhthsei. Poios qa syzhthsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete oi epikaires erwthseis poy exoyn katateqei gia ton Prwqypoyrgo eixan na kanoyn me thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Xreiazetai epanakataqesh olwn twn sxetikwn erwthsewn poy apeyqynontai ston Prwqypoyrgo gia thn Paraskeyh. Den jeroyme ayth th stigmh poies qa einai aytes; Prepei na perimenoyme thn kataqesh twn epikairwn erwthsewn kai sth synexeia qa sas enhmerwsw, oso pio egkaira mporw, gia to poies qa einai oi erwthseis stis opoies qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proxqes mas eipate oti sxetika me tis parabiaseis kai tis parabaseis twn toyrkikwn aeroskafwn qa ginoyn oles oi nomimes energeies. Egine kapoio diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den xreiasthke na ginei kati eidiko, giati opws eidate den yphrje synexeia aytwn twn problhmatwn. Eimaste se hremh katastash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poses parabiaseis prepei na ginoyn gia na ginei kapoio diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh den yparxei qema parabiasewn kai parabasewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy anakoinwqhke apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa, oti edw kai arketes hmeres den yparxei tetoio zhthma.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to problhma jerete poy brisketai; Giati exei ginei olh ayth h sygxysh; Toso oi ypoyrgoi, osoi kai oi yfypoyrgoi, akomh kai oi synadelfoi sas poy htan hdh yfypoyrgoi, qeloyn na paroyn to ``fileto'' twn armodiothtwn, ennow me trietia gia thn Olympiada, peri aytoy prokeitai kai profanws enas ypoyrgos den einai diateqeimenos na ekxwrhsei armodiothtes kai enas yfypoyrgos aytes prepei na parei. Gia paradeigma, to ti synebh sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, opoy o k. Malesios phre armodiothtes kai gia thn Olympiada kai oloi oi neoi yfypoyrgoi kai oi ypoyrgoi qeloyn na tis krathsoyn. O k. Benizelos to eipe jekaqara: Emeis apofasizoyme. Ekei einai to problhma, den einai poios qa moirastei to ergo. To problhma einai oti oloi qeloyn na asxolhqoyn me to antikeimeno. Ayth thn parathrhsh hqela na kanw kai mia apanthsh qa hqela apo esas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata. Den einai ``fileto'' to qema ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Kai xrhsimopoiw ayth th lejh, poy den einai dokimh, giati th xrhsimopoihsate eseis. Gia paradeigma, epeidh exoyn lhjei se polla ypoyrgeia ayta ta zhthmata, qelw na tonisw kai pali oti prokeitai gia prosqetes drasthriothtes poy prepei na ginoyn. Polles fores einai bohqhtikes kinhseis poy ginontai apo mia seira ypoyrgeia. As mh dinoyme tetoioys xarakthrismoys se mia ergasia poly shmantikh, anamfibola krisimh, gia thn epityxia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, poy omws, den shmainei oti einai kati pio shmantiko apo th loiph drasthriothta twn ypoyrgeiwn. Prepei na ginei safes oti h kybernhsh synexizei na leitoyrgei se ola ta zhthmata. Einai apofasismenh na ferei se peras to synolo toy ergoy ths, to opoio einai idiaitera krisimo gia ton ellhniko lao kai gia to mellon ths xwras kai ths koinwnias mas. To ergo ayto den afora mono toys O.A. To kyriotero qema poy afora ton Ellhna polith einai na proxwrhsei to synoliko ergo mas kai ekei qa rijoyme to baros.

MOYRTZHS: Profanws, o k. Benizelos exei oikeioqelws, aytoboylws, dwsei oles tis armodiothtes ston k. Aleyra, afoy, opws mas eipate prohgoymenws,

symmetexei sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph ayrio. Qa hqela na maqw, poioi ypoyrgoi aytoboylws, xwris thn parainesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, edwsan antistoixes armodiothtes se yfypoyrgoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na mporesw na sas enhmerwsw analytika qa prepei na ypografoyn oi armodiothtes, poy qa dhmosieyqoyn sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhshs. Ligo prin dhmosieyqoyn, qa sas enhmerwsw analytika, pws exei to qema me tis armodiothtes gia thn Olympiada. Omws, qelw na qymisw oti tetoia zhthmata exoyn lhjei, oson afora mia seira apo ypoyrgeia, opws gia paradeigma ta ypoyrgeia Ergasias, Typoy, Paideias, opoy exoyn kaqoristei oi armodiothtes. Analoges armodiothtes exoyn kaqoristei kai sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy. Blepete oti den yparxei epi ths oysias problhma. Mhn prospaqoyme na dhmioyrgoyme problhmata ekei poy den yparxoyn. Mas endiaferei na kanoyme kala th doyleia mas, na eimaste apotelesmatikoi kai to ligotero poy mas endiaferei einai poios qa kanei ayth th doyleia. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na proxwrhsoyme swsta.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas peite, ean o Prwqypoyrgos h h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenoi apo to ergo to opoio exei epitelestei ws twra, sygkekrimena gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai eidikotera, an einai eyxaristhmenoi apo th drasthriothta ths Epitrophs "Aqhna 2004". Giati se 15-20 hmeres qa erqoyn na mas elegjoyn pali gia thn poreia twn ergwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia thn akribeia, se 23 h 24 hmeres qa exoyme pali thn episkech toy klimakioy ths Dieqnoys Olympiakhs Epitrophs. Pisteyw oti exoyme epitelesei mia shmantikh proodo sth diorganwsh twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, toso, oson afora ta erga, oso kai ta alla genikotera organwtika zhthmata ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Eimaste se kalo dromo. To gegonos, omws, ayto den mas epitrepei na efhsyxazoyme. Th stigmh poy qa poyme oti pane ola kala kai den mas endiaferei, th stigmh ekeinh qa arxisoyme na phgainoyme pros ta pisw. Eimaste, loipon, sto swsto dromo. Exei paraxqei ena pragmatika ploysio ergo, omws xreiazetai egrhgorsh. Einai mia dyskolh ypoqesh, mia dyskolh prospaqeia me polla empodia. Einai mia prospaqeia poy prepei, einai epibeblhmeno, na kerdisoyme kai qa kerdisoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo thn ka Aggelopoyloy eiste eyxaristhmenos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei stenotath synergasia kai me thn ka Aggelopoyloy kai me to synolo ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs toy "Aqhna 2004", h opoia kaqorizetai sto plaisio twn apofasewn ths Diypoyrgikhs, alla sth synexeia, opws gnwrizete, exei na kanei kai diaxeetai kai se epimeroys draseis kai kata ypoyrgeio, alla kai se alla zhthmata poy aforoyn thn olympiakh proetoimasia. Einai synergasia apodotikh kai kalh.

XRISTAKOS: Ta erga htan panw-katw gnwsta apo to 1997, otan kerdise h Aqhna toys agwnes. Giati den egine tote aytos o katamerismos ergasiwn; Epishs, ean den egine tote, giati den egine meta tis ekloges toy 2000 poy yphrje nea kybernhsh kai ginetai twra, treis ebdomades prin apo thn episkech ths DOE kai meta thn parathrhsh toy k. Rongk, prin merikoys mhnes.

PRWTOPAPAS: To plhqos twn erwthsewn poy ginontai gyrw apo thn olympiakh proetoimasia, dikaiologei ton isxyrismo mas oti prepei se kaqe ypoyrgeio na yparxei eidikos anqrwpos poy na asxoleitai me ayto to qema. Blepete ti ergo exei kanei to ypoyrgeio mas gyrw apo ayto to zhthma. Se ayta ta qemata, einai polla zhthmata poy bgainoyn mesa apo thn idia thn prospaqeia. Einai diaforetiko na kaneis enan programmatismo sto xarti kai diaforetiko na blepeis ena ergo na gennietai. Polles fores htan diaforetikoi oi ypologismoi mas. Den jerw an einai swsto ayto poy kanw, alla qa xrhsimopoihsw pali to paradeigma toy Olympiakoy Xwrioy. Htan poly eykolo na les ta pragmata sto xarti kai pws prepei na ginoyn kai poly dyskolo, thn wra poy xiliades empodia dhmioyrgoyntan, otan ena terastio texniko ergo eprepe na gennhqei sthn prajh. Me to paramikro rhgma poy mporei na yphrxe sto edafos h ta paramikra problhmata poy eixan na kanoyn me ta epipeda h ta antiplhmmyrika erga, dhmioyrgoyntan nea problhmata poy piqana oi arxikes meletes -anqrwpoi tis kanoyn kai aytes- na mhn eixan ej oloklhroy problecei. Dhmioyrgoyntai, loipon, polla zhthmata mesa apo thn idia th zwh, mesa apo ayth thn terastia prospaqeia poy shmera kataballetai. Mesa, loipon, apo th leitoyrgia ths Diypoyrgikhs kai epeidh exei petyxei sto ergo ths kai exei dwsei mia oysiastikh wqhsh se ola ayta ta problhmata, kriqhke skopimo na yparxei mia enisxysh me stelexh-melh ths politikhs hgesias twn ypoyrgeiwn, ta opoia qa bohqhsoyn ayth thn wqhsh, ayth thn prospaqeia, ayth th qelhsh gia sygkekrimenes prajeis kai draseis.

KARGOYDH: Me aformh thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Nomismatokopeio, hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh mexri stigmhs einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn poreia proetoimasias ths xwras gia thn kykloforia toy Eyrw epishmws.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti exei synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, eidika gi` ayto to qema. Meta th lhjh ayths ths synedriashs, ekfrasthke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai apo oloys toys armodioys kai to Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas, oxi apla ikanopoihsh, alla diapistwqhke kai h swsth poreia ths proetoimasias -gia na eimai akribhs- gia thn eisagwgh toy Eyrw, opws epishs diapistwqhkan, gia mia akomh fora, kai ta problhmata poy synodeyoyn ayth thn proetoimasia. Einai mia dyskolh ypoqesh. Eimaste, omws, apofasismenoi na petyxoyme, wste h ellhnikh koinwnia, o Ellhnas poliths na katanohsei ti shmainei gia th zwh toy kai th xwra mas ayth h allagh. Einai logiko na mhn afhnoyme ta pragmata mono stis diapistwseis poy kaname prin apo peripoy ena mhna, alla na yparxei mia synexhs parakoloyqhsh, h opoia ginetai malista kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto shmatodoteitai me thn episkech toy sto Nomismatokopeio, thn erxomenh Tetarth. Den qa meinei, omws, ekei. Einai safes oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei oles tis anagkaies kinhseis, se koryfaio epipedo -giati polles kinhseis ginontai kai apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia kai thn Trapeza ths Elladas- poy qa shmatodotoyn thn etoimothta, thn apofasistikothta kai th sxesh mas me thn koinwnia, wste h eisagwgh toy Eyrw sthn Ellada na ginei me ton pio swsto, alla kai wrimo tropo.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean tiqetai qema leitoyrgikhs aytonomias aytwn twn epta yfypoyrgwn poy einai diaspartoi sta ypoyrgeia gia thn olympiakh proetoimasia, me apeyqeias anafora ston Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios proedreyei kai ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes, apo osa exw pei, oti den einai etsi. Den allazei to shmerino sxhma twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Prosteqhkan stis politikes hgesies kapoia stelexh, giati ayjhqhke shmantika o ogkos ths drashs kai ths doyleias toy kaqe ypoyrgeioy. Den yparxoyn, loipon, kapoioi anqrwpoi poy syntonizontai apo kapoion allon. Yparxei to sxhma ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo me th symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn. Yparxei h Omada Dioikhshs Ergoy. Yparxoyn oi alles omades, yparxei o ypeyqynos kata ypoyrgeio, yparxoyn oi sxeseis me ton "Aqhna 2004". Ola ayta ta gnwrizete kai den prokeitai na allajoyn. Qa eimaste pio apotelesmatikoi kai pio entatikoi sth doyleia mas. Einai ena stoixhma poy prepei na kerdisoyme kai qa to kerdisoyme.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, gia mia epistolh toy k. Mparnie pros ton k. Berelh, symfwna me thn opoia einai anoikto to endexomeno diakophs ths xrhmatodothshs twn ergwn, logw kaqysterhsewn kai allwn problhmatwn diaxeirishs twn koinotikwn kondyliwn. Qa hqela na jerw, prwton, poia einai h apanthsh ths kybernhshs se ayth thn epistolh. Deyteron, ean den yparxei nea apanthsh, na mas koinopoihsete thn apanthsh poy hdh opws maqainoyme exei dwsei o k. Berelhs ston k. Mparnie. Kai triton, ean apotelei meros ayths ths apanthshs h dhlwsh shmera toy k. Tsitoyra sto radiofwno toy "PLANNET" oti qa doqoyn ta xronodiagrammata sth dhmosiothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei shmerinh enhmerwsh apo ton k. Berelh, se radiofwniko staqmo, o opoios anaferqhke analytika panw sthn epistolh Mparnie kai ta zhthmata poy egeirei. Opws gnwrizete, h epistolh Mparnie den einai shmerinh. Exei erqei edw kai kapoioys mhnes kai ginontai syzhthseis me to armodio ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn gyrw apo aythn. Sthn epistolh ayth o k. Mparnie qigei tessera pragmata. Anagnwrizei osa qetika exoyn ginei kai epishmainei kai kapoia problhmata poy yparxoyn akomh, giati yparxei anagkh gia plhrh prosarmogh stis apaithseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. H prosarmogh ayth proxwrei apo toys ypeyqynoys ths etairias "ERGOSE" , poy kanei to ependytiko programma toy OSE. Kai o k. Berelhs ejefrase th bebaiothta, oti den qa yparxei kanena problhma kai sto ependytiko programma toy OSE kai se ayth thn prosarmogh. Yparxei mia seira apo zhthmata, opoy h xwra mas prepei na prosarmostei sta dedomena ths E.E. Kai epeidh jerw poly kala th sxesh ths me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, ayth h prosarmogh den einai panta eykolh. Qelei poly megalh prospaqeia kai poly megalo agwna. Omws, aytos o agwnas qa ginei. Ayth h prospaqeia ginetai kai oloklhrwnetai. Ta problhmata einai olo kai ligotera. H xwra mas qelei, me chla to kefali kai me tis dikes ths dynameis, na pragmatopoihsei ola ekeina gia ta opoia exei desmeyqei, se sxesh me th symmetoxh ths sthn E.E. Ena apo ayta exei na kanei kai me thn epistolh ayth.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete endeiktika poia einai ayta ta tessera pragmata sta opoia anaferetai o k. Mparnie;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa hqela na mpw twra se leptomereies, giati aforoyn kai texnika problhmata. O k. Berelhs exei anaferqei analytika kai pisteyw oti ekeino poy mporw na sas diabebaiwsw -kai ayto prepei na krathsete- einai oti exoyn ginei hdh oi sxetikes syzhthseis me ton k. Mparnie. Proxwroyme, kata ton kalytero dynato tropo, sthn prosarmogh kai den yparxei ayth th stigmh apeilh gia to ependytiko programma ths "ERGOSE" poy kanei ta erga toy OSE.

MPOTWNHS: Parathrhsame kai fetos fainomena me to an qa prepei kapoia paidia apo thn Albania h genika allodapoi, na krathsoyn thn ellhnikh shmaia. Alloi kathgoroyn to ypoyrgeio Paideias kai toys dieyqyntes twn sxoleiwn oti kakws to ekanan ayto kai alloi to anapodo. Exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na ypenqymisw oti to qema gia thn kybernhsh exei lyqei. Yparxei h sxetikh nomoqesia kai h egkyklios toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Emeis menoyme se ayto, giati ayto kata th gnwmh mas einai to swsto. Se telikh analysh, qelw kai egw na qymisw kati: Ellhnes einai oi ths hmeteras paideias metexontes. Kai ayto prepei na to katalaboyme poly kala. Ayth h arxaia rhsh poy exei na kanei kai me poioys xarakthrizoyme ws Ellhnes, exei efarmogh kai sth shmerinh epoxh. Yparxoyn kapoia paidia poy maqainoyn ellhnika, poy doyleyoyn plai sta paidia mas. Oi goneis toys einai, isws, polla xronia egkatesthmenoi sthn Ellada, giati, opws jerete, h apofash ayth exei kai kapoioys xronikoys prosdiorismoys. Ta paidia ayta qeloyn kai aisqanontai yperhfana na krathsoyn thn ellhnikh shmaia. Poios einai ekeinos poy qa toys apagoreysei na to kanoyn; Kai giati qa prepei na toys apagoreysoyme na to kanoyn; Epeidh exoyn kapoia allh katagwgh; An gyrisoyme pisw sthn istoria mas, qa doyme oti para polloi epifaneis Ellhnes -toys opoioys qaymazoyme kai exoyme kai sto panqeon ths Ekklhsias, twn agiwn mas, yphrethsan th filosofia, th skech, ton politismo mas kai stratiwtika merikes fores th xwra mas- eixan diaforetikh katagwgh. Leitoyrgoysan, omws, san Ellhnes. Skeptontan san Ellhnes. Energoysan san Ellhnes. Miloysan ellhnika kai htan koinwnoi ths ellhnikhs paideias. Kapoia stigmh qa prepei ayta ta zhthmata na mpoyn anoikta kai qa prepei na katanohsoyme oti, zwntas shmera sthn Ellada, zoyme kai se mia polypolitismikh koinwnia poy prepei na maqei -kai ayto prepei na ginei se olo ton kosmo me thn pagkosmiopoihsh, pleon- na apodexetai th diaforetikothta kai na symbiwnei me tis diafores twn fylwn, ths qrhskeias, twn fylwn, toy xrwmatos kai otidhpote allo. Etsi prepei na zhsoyme. Aytoy toy eidoys thn pagkosmia koinwnia prepei na qeloyme. Kai otan ena paidi einai aristoyxos maqhths ellhnikoy sxoleioy kai aisqanetai oti ton tima na shkwsei thn ellhnikh shmaia, prepei na eimaste oi teleytaioi poy qa egeiroyme empodia se ayto. Antiqeta, qa prepei na ton epainesoyme kai na sthrizoyme ayth thn antilhch. Xarhka idiaitera, xqes to prwi sth Rodo, otan eida, se mia qaymasia pragmati parelash, na parelaynoyn paidia poy to xrwma toy dermatos toys den htan panta ayto poy synhqizetai stoys Ellhnes. Prepei na doyme ayta ta zhthmata gia na milame gia mia organwmenh kai swsth koinwnia. Mia koinwnia poy den exei "gkrizes zwnes". Den mporei na apodexesai ton allo na doyleyei sthn epixeirhsh soy oktw xronia kai meta na mhn afhneis to paidi toy na leitoyrgei se ena sxoleio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, oi poroi toy B` K.P.S. poy htan gia toys sidhrodromoys, phgan ekei; Giati o k. Mparnie sthn epistolh toy leei oti den exoyn aporrofhqei oi poroi kai oti exoyn xaqei kapoioi ekei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyn xaqei. Sta grammata ths E.E. oydepote ekfrazetai h lejh "xaqei".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mila gia adiafaneis diadikasies pali.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Einai safes oti yparxei ena plhres programma gia thn anaptyjh twn sidhrodromwn. Yparxoyn ta posa poy xreiazontai gia na anaptyxqei to programma ayto. Epishs, einai safes oti to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn se synennohsh me ton k. Mparnie qa jeperasei ta opoiadhpote praktika problhmata yphrjan. Einai dedomeno oti gia thn olh prosarmogh mas sta dedomena ths E.E., xreiazetai megalh prospaqeia. Kai se ayth thn prospaqeia prepei na eimaste oloi mazi, arwgoi o enas ston allon gia na jepernioyntai ta empodia kai na proxwrame mprosta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Arkei na phgainoyn oi poroi gia ekei poy einai. Giati kai gia to Kthmatologio ta idia eginan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola pane ekei poy prepei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, prwton, giati h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia den exei dwsei ta apotelesmata ths teleytaias apografhs kai deyteron, se poio shmeio brisketai h xorhghsh "prasinhs kartas", meta tis 2 Aygoystoy poy htan h katalhktikh hmeromhnia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epifylaxqw na sas apanthsw kata th diarkeia ths ayrianhs syzhthshs mas, gi` ayta ta dyo zhthmata.

KOYIN: Mhpws mporeite na mas prosdiorisete xronika, pote qa ypogracei o Prwqypoyrgos thn paraxwrhsh armodiothtwn stoys epta yfypoyrgoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den qa ypogracei mono gia toys epta yfypoyrgoys. Meta ton anasxhmatismo, exoyme mia kainoyrgia kybernhsh. O Prwqypoyrgos qa ypogracei, meta apo synennohsh kai afoy exoyn katateqei oi protaseis twn ypoyrgwn, tis armodiothtes kata ypoyrgeio. Qa ypogracei gia ola ta stelexh ths kybernhshs gia thn armodiothta poy qa exoyn kai to ergo poy qa askoyn ws ypeyqynoi. Ayto afora oloys. Den afora kapoioys. Den afora mono ta qemata ths olympiakhs proetoimasias. Otan allazei h politikh hgesia enos ypoyrgeioy, aytomatws tiqetai qema epanakatanomhs twn armodiothtwn. Palaiotera, stis kybernhseis olwn twn kommatwn, to qema twn armodiothtwn oydepote egine mesa se merikes hmeres. Shmera, kleinei mesa se merikes hmeres. Kai ayto prepei na to xairetisoyme. Ayth thn taxythta poy yparxei sto sygkekrimeno qema prepei na thn anadeijoyme ws idiaitera qetikh, gia na mporesoyme pio grhgora na kanoyme th doyleia mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa se merikes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se 40, se 50;

PRWTOPAPAS: Merikes hmeres den einai, oyte 40, oyte 50. Miloyme oloi poly kala thn ellhnikh kai jeroyme ti shmainei ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa doqoyn mesa sthn ebdomada armodiothtes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti miloyme gia poly liges hmeres.

Sas eyxaristw.

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