Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-10-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti ayrio, stis 2 meta to meshmeri, qa dexqw to Proedreio ths Enwshs Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy. Stis 5.30 to apogeyma, qa episkefqw, mazi me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy, to Proedreio ths ESHEA. Thn Paraskeyh to brady, qa parastw sto Synedrio ths POESY.

Qa yparjoyn kai alles synanthseis me toys ypoloipoys foreis poy emplekontai me to ypoyrgeio Typoy, gia tis opoies qa enhmerwqeite.

Epishs, qelw na apanthsw stis dyo xqesines erwthseis toy k. Papadopoyloy. Prwton, gia thn apografh ths Statistikhs Yphresias, me enhmerwsan oti exei doqei o plhqysmos kata nomo. Syntoma, qa doqei o pragmatikos plhqysmos ana Dhmo. Prowqeitai enas diagwnismos gia thn epejergasia twn stoixeiwn. O Genikos Grammateas ths ESYE k. Karabiths ypologizei oti ta epishma apotelesmata qa doqoyn to prwto trimhno toy 2002.

Deyteron, oson afora thn prasinh karta, exoyn doqei, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths legomenhs ``deyterhs eykairias'' h ``deyterhs fashs'', peripoy 367.000 proswrines egkriseis. Prowqeitai h epejergasia twn stoixeiwn kai twra ekdidontai oi adeies ergasias kai paramonhs me bash ta dikaiologhtika poy problepei o nomos, ta opoia proskomizoyn oi endiaferomenoi. Ara, yparxei plhrhs efarmogh toy nomoy kai afora peripoy 367.000 anqrwpoys.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Opws antilambaneste, k. Ypoyrge, ta diadikastika kai alla stoixeia einai twn allwn synadelfwn sta kaq ylhn armodia ypoyrgeia. Egw politika sas rwthsa, gia na jerw to plaisio sto opoio entassetai h kybernhtikh politikh. Den sas koyrazw zhtwntas perissoteres plhrofories.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe allo. Opoia stoixeia qelete einai sth diaqesh sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ola ayta ta stoixeia poy sas edwsan apo tis armodies yphresies dhmioyrgoyn ena basiko erwthma: Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh sto qema ayto; Dhladh, qa meinoyme stis 367.000 egkriseis; Qa proxwrhsoyme...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai mono oi 367.000, einai kai oi palies egkriseis. Synolika, kymainontai gyrw stis 550.000 me 600.000.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Alles plhrofories ejwdikws, omws, anaferoyn ton ariqmo twn jenwn -na xrhsimopoihsw ayto ton oro- sth xwra mas, panw apo ena ekatommyrio. Me aytoys ti qa ginei; Qa toys diwjoyme; Qa parameinoyn: Qa mpoyn ki aytoi sth diadikasia ths nomimopoihshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw oti den yparxei kapoio akribes stoixeio gia ton ariqmo poy eipate. Yphrxan ypologismoi apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs gia ton ariqmo twn paranomwn metanastwn poy zoysan kai doyleyan sthn Ellada. Qa elega oti oi ypologismoi aytoi epibebaiwqhkan, kata ena megalo meros, apo th diadikasia ths deyterhs eykairias. Nomimopoioyntai -dioti den exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia akomh- 367.000 anqrwpoi, peran twn 200 ews 220 xiliadwn aithsewn gia prasinh karta, poy eixan egkriqei sthn prwth fash ayths ths diadikasias. Synolika, dhladh, proseggizoyme tis 600.000. Einai enas, hdh, poly megalos ariqmos kai deixnei oti pragmatika exoyme kataferei na prowqhsoyme th diadikasia ths apografhs, na proxwrhsei h nomimopoihsh twn paranoma ergazomenwn, na stamathsei h yparjh mias gkrizas zwnhs sthn koinwnia mas. Ayth th stigmh exoyme kataferei shmantika pragmata ston tomea ayto kai den ektimoyme oti xreiazetai na paroyme alles apofaseis. Ean diapistwqei to opoiodhpote problhma, ayto mporei na antimetwpistei sto plaisio ths yparxoysas nomoqesias, poy problepei safws tis diadikasies, mesa apo tis opoies qa prowqeitai h epoxikh apasxolhsh sthn Ellada.

PAPADOPOYLOS: An moy epitrepete, den sas kathgorei kaneis gia ayta poy kanate. Antistrofws, einai ena prwto bhma gia na antimetwpistei ayto to qema poy brhke thn Ellada aproetoimasth. To qema einai to ejhs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei. Efarmozetai o nomos, ekdidontai oi adeies kai apo kei kai pera, ean xreiastei sto mellon prosqeth epoxikh ergasia se orismenoys tomeis, qa thrhqoyn oi diadikasies ths nomoqesias poy exei chfistei. Yparxei o nomos poy problepei me poion tropo qa erxontai kai qa doyleyoyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To ellhniko kratos gnwrizei, ayth th stigmh, posa ypoloipa exoyme sto qema ayto; Yparxei Nomarxia, Asfaleia, Ypoyrgeio poy na jerei posoi einai oi ypoloipoi, ektos apo aytoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporei na gnwrizoyme ton akribh ariqmo. Opoios den brisketai nomima sthn Ellada, bebaiws kai den qa mporei na doyleyei nomima.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa toys apelasete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimaste apofasismenoi na thrhsoyme thn yparxoysa nomoqesia.

ROYMELIWTH: H xqesinh dikastikh apofash @kai den zhtw na thn krinete- gia ton astynomiko poy pyrobolhse ton 20xrono tsiggano, exei epanapyrodothsei sthn perioxh toy Zefyrioy kai genikotera, ena aisqhma adikias kai isws anishs, ratsistikhs, se eisagwgika h lejh, antimetwpishs twn aqigganwn apo tis astynomikes arxes. Exete ena sxolio ep aytoy kai pws protiqetai h kybernhsh na to antimetwpisei ws fainomeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Makria apo thn kybernhsh h opoiadhpote kathgoria kai yponoia peri ratsismoy. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs poy moy ekane o k. Papadopoylos xqes, eixa thn eykairia ligo prin na anaptyjw to pragmatika megalo ergo poy ekane h kybernhsh se qemata poy aggizoyn ta fainomena kai toys kindynoys toy ratsismoy kai ths jenofobias, anejarthta an aforoyn mia allh kathgoria. Wstoso, edeije ton tropo me ton opoio kineitai kai antimetwpizei h kybernhsh olo ayto to qema poy legetai `` ratsismos''.

Omws, as erqoyme sta sygkekrimena zhthmata poy paroysiasthkan. Einai gnwsto oti den krinoyme dikastikes apofaseis kai energeies. Ayto einai sth dikh sas krish. Apo kei kai pera, qelw na tonisw oti h Astynomia elabe ola ta anagkaia metra kai malista me idiaitera ypeyqyno kai prosektiko tropo, gia na apokatasthsei tis synqhkes omalothtas, thn omalh oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh sthn perioxh. Qa prosejate oti den yphrxan entona epeisodia, den yphrxan traymatismoi, den eginan syllhceis. Htan, omws, ypoxrewsh twn armodiwn Arxwn na apokatasthsoyn thn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths perioxhs, me tropo idiaitera prosektiko kai ypeyqyno, opws kai ekanan. Qelw na pw eidika gia toys Ellhnes tsigganoys, polites ayths ths xwras, oti exoyn lhfqei para polla metra kai exoyn ginei para polles energeies, kai kata to parelqon, gia thn omalh entajh toys sthn paragwgikh, oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths xwras mas. Ayth einai mia staqerh apofash kai pagia arxh ths kybernhshs mas. Ypenqymizw oti kai sto G` KPS problepontai polla dis draxmes, prokeimenoy na lhfqoyn metra pros thn idia kateyqynsh. Einai xarakthristiko oti apo to Eyrwpaiko Koinwniko Tameio, problepontai 122 dis draxmes, ta opoia qa diateqoyn gia thn epaggelmatikh katartish, thn apasxolhsh, thn koinwnikh pronoia kai th stegash twn Ellhnwn tsigganwn. Mas endiaferei na exoyme mia koinwnia, xwris kanena diaxwrismo poy exei na kanei me th fylh, th qrhskeia h me to xrwma toy dermatos. Doyleyoyme panta staqera se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Omws, enw lete oti kanate, qa kanete, exete tosa kanei, oi tsigganoi poy phgan proxqes kai ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, eipan oti synexeia ayth h kybernhsh mas yposxetai kai den kanei tipota. Ti exete kanei; Aytoi den to exoyn katalabei ayto poy exete kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme kanei para polla pragmata. Eixa thn timh, ws yfypoyrgos Ergasias, na exw thn eyqynh toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinwnikoy Tameioy, sto B` KPS. Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw oti kai apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, alla kai apo seira alla ypoyrgeia kai me th bohqeia ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, exoyn lhfqei para polla metra, prokeimenoy na dieykolynqei h entajh twn Ellhnwn tsigganwn sthn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths xwras mas. Pisteyw oti exoyme symbalei shmantika sth dhmioyrgia enos Diktyoy, toy ROM, poy synergazetai amesa me thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, me to opoio synergazomaste kai dinoyme sygkekrimenes lyseis sta aithmata kai tis diekdikhseis poy yparxoyn. Kai einai logiko na yparxoyn akomh kai aithmata kai diekdikhseis. Gi` ayto kai sto G` KPS problepontai polla dis draxmes -sas anefera gia paradeigma ta 122 dis draxmes toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinwnikoy Tameioy- prokeimenoy aytoi oi anqrwpoi na dieykolynqoyn. Exoyn, hdh, sxediastei aytes oi parembaseis, wste na entaxqoyn sthn oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh twn perioxwn toys. Pisteyw oti eimaste prwtoporoi, oson afora thn efarmogh tetoiwn metrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate ``para polla metra'' Poia einai ayta ta metra; Aytoi den jeroyn tipota.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa. Ean oi apanthseis moy den sas kalyptoyn, exete to dikaiwma na tis krinete. Eiste egkritos dhmosiografos. Alla exw apanthsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, epishs, oti ``den krinoyme dikastikes apofaseis kai dikastikes energeies'', otan apanthsate se synadelfo. Otan einai gi polites den tis krinete, otan einai gia Ypoyrgoys tis krinete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jerete poly kala ti krinoyme kai ti den krinoyme ston tomea ayto. Akoloyqoyme mia pagia arxh. Sebomaste thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs kai to exoyme apodeijei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, k. Ypoyrge. Yphrjan kai apeiles enantion ths Dikaiosynhs apo ypoyrgoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na qymisw oti kanete erwthseis ki egw apantw.

MIXAHL: Sebeste th Dikaiosynh, den krinete dikastikes apofaseis. Einai mia pagia qesh olwn twn kybernhsewn. Den sas problhmatizei, omws, to gegonos oti enas eisaggelikos leitoyrgos apeyqynei kathgoria kakoyrghmatos sto sygkekrimeno organo ths tajhs kai enas allos dikastikos leitoyrgos den thn threi, den efarmozei to nomo -dioti se kakoyrghma profylakizetai o kathgoroymenos, ayth einai mia pagia dikastikh arxh- menei eleyqeros. Enw se alles periptwseis, analoga aithmata, analoges kathgories, exoyn odhghqei sth fylakh kai ej aytoy proekyce h entash. Den qelw na moy apanthsete, ean prepei h den prepei na ginei, qelw na moy peite ean problhmatizeste san kybernhsh gia to oti dyo ekfrastes ths Dikaiosynhs leitoyrgoyn me diaforetiko tropo gia ena sygkekrimeno antikeimeno.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean h erwthsh einai gia ton problhmatismo mas, prepei na tonisw oti ta panta problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh. Yparxei to armodio ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, to opoio parakoloyqei ta qemata ayta, alla jerete poly kala oti den exei dikaiwma na parembainei. Apo kei kai pera, gia th diadikasia aponomhs ths dikaiosynhs sthn Ellada, panta problhmatizomaste kai epidiwkoyme to kalytero.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Toso h Aqhna, oso kai h E.E. lene na mhn yparxei katastrofh toy amaxoy plhqysmoy sto Afganistan. Blepoyme, omws, oti ayth h istoria synexizetai. Etsi ki alliws, emeis exoyme analabei kapoies prwtoboylies se epipedo ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Yparxei kati sygkekrimeno, toso apo thn pleyra mas, oso kai apo thn E.E. pros thn kateyqynsh twn HPA na stamathsoyn aytes oi epiqeseis me tis bombes diasporas poy einai kai h kyria aitia gia na skotwnontai tosoi amaxoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka, xqes, stis apofaseis ths E.E. kai stis kinhseis poy exoyn ginei pros thn kateyqynsh efarmoghs toys. Gnwrizete, epiprosqetws, oti kai h xwra mas analambanei prwtoboylies, sthn idia kateyqynsh, ylopoihshs twn apofasewn ths E.E. Gia to logo ayto, kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, qa episkefqei to Pakistan, to Iran, kai to Neo Delxi, prokeimenoy na analabei prwtoboylies prowqhshs aytoy toy plaisioy twn apofasewn.

KOYIN: To Neo Delxi apo poy proekyce;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me enhmerwse, shmera, o k. Mpegliths, o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, o opoios qa sas dwsei kai analytikes plhrofories.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia mia afisa poy kykloforhse apo toys neolaioys ths N.D., sthn opoia apotypwnontai oi didymoi pyrgoi ypo ton titlo "Prosklhsh se parti, elate sto parti mas, giati ayrio o kosmos den qa einai o idios".

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti h krish epi ths afisas ths ONNED, ekfeygei twn armodiothtwn toy kybernhtikoy ekproswpoy. An epiqymeite thn proswpikh apoch moy, mporw na sas thn pw ektos toy plaisioy ths politikhs enhmerwshs. .

KWNSTANTHS: Pws sxoliazete tis xqesines dhlwseis toy prwhn ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs k. Giannopoyloy poy eipe oti "kalws ejedoqh to porisma Asprogeraka gia thn ypoqesh ths DEKA"; Kai kati synafes, qa analabei kapoies prwtoboylies h kybernhsh, sxetika me ayto to qema ths kratikhs DEKA, sto plaisio toy Koinoboylioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei enhmerwsei polles fores thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy gia to qema ths leitoyrgias ths DEKA. Den xreiazetai na pw kati allo, ayth th stigmh, apo th dikh mas pleyra. Exei ginei analytikotath syzhthsh kai enhmerwsh kai malista me paroysia olwn twn armodiwn paragontwn -kai twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn- sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Apo ekei kai pera, den krinw skopimo na sxoliasw tis apoceis idiaitera shmantikwn stelexwn toy kommatos mas.

GIANNISHS: Prin apo ligo, o Proedros ths N.D. xarakthrise meizon qema tis dhlwseis poy ekane thn prohgoymenh ebdomada o k. Staqopoylos kai zhthse, akomh mia fora, na parei qesh o Prwqypoyrgos. Ti exete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei analytika gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Staqopoyloy. Exw pei oti oydemia parembash egine h zhthqhke kai oydepote yphrje ayth h skech, anaferontas xarakthristika kai ti moy eipe o k. Staqopoylos. Oti, dhladh, apedwse kai o idios -kai ekane kai analoges dhlwseis se thleoptiko staqmo, to idio apogeyma- thn parermhneia poy doqhke stis dhlwseis toy se ena klima poy yparxei mesa sthn koinwnia, stoys polites kai to lao, oti o ypoyrgos mporei na parembainei. Ayto dhmioyrgei merikes fores mia atmosfaira, h opoia den einai swsth.

GIANNISHS: Prokyptei apo to reportaz oti yparxei kapoia dysforia se sxesh me to qema twn armodiothtwn sth Diypoyrgikh, h opoia lambanei xwra ayth th stigmh. Tiqetai qema epanasxediasmoy twn armodiothtwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei kleisei to qema twn armodiothtwn. Anaferqhka se ayto, xqes. Den yparxei kamia dysforia. Den antimetwpizoyme problhma.

KAPPOS: Exei yparjei oxlhsh apo thn pleyra twn HPA gia thn aqwwsh apo thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh toy Lesperogloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia.

KAPPOS: Apo pleyras ejwterikhs politikhs xqes, alla kai apo pleyras toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn ths E.E., ekdhlwqhke meizon endiaferon kai dhmosia gia thn meta Talimpan epoxh sto Afganistan. Katopin aytwn, ola ayta kai sygkekrimena to endiaferon ayto, prwton, ti diafora exei apo to endiaferon twn Sobietikwn, otan epenebainan sto Afganistan to opoio qa mporoysa na to xarakthriza qewrhtiko, alla exei shmasia gia mena. Kai deyteron, ayto to endiaferon exei sxesh me o,ti symbainei sto Afganistan h o,ti aptetai toy Afganistan, exei sxesh me ploytoparagwgikoys poroys, me odoys dieleyshs petrelaioy k.t.l.

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema einai poly gnwsto. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. H Dieqnhs Koinothta, ayth th stigmh, exei synainesei se mia prospaqeia antimetwpishs ths tromokratias kai monon ayto.

TSIBOLA: Yparxei mia dihmerida, ena dieqnes seminario poy syndiorganwnoyn ta ypoyrgeia Ejwterikwn kai Dhmosias Tajhs gia thn tromokratia kai thn ajiologhsh twn sygxronwn apeilwn. Mia enothta ayths ths dihmeridas, h opoia einai kekleismenwn twn qyrwn, kanei anafora se problhmata dhmosias tajhs me politika kinhtra, anaferontas thn antistash kata ths pagkosmiopoihshs sth Genoba kai to Siatl. Prwton, h kybernhsh qewrei tromokratikes energeies h sygxronh apeilh thn antistash sthn pagkosmiopoihsh; Kai deyteron, giati einai kekleismenwn twn qyrwn to seminario;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kamia periptwsh h kybernhsh den qewrei kati tetoio. Apo ekei kai pera, to seminario einai kekleismenwn twn qyrwn, dioti qa syzhthqoyn kai kapoia qemata, metajy eidikwn kai armodiwn kai qa antallagoyn empeiries. Tipote allo. Den prokeitai na lhfqei kamia apofash. Sto seminario, opws jerete, antallassontai empeiries. Oi eidikoi, poy symmetexoyn se ayto, antallassoyn apoceis gia orismena lepta qemata, kai apo ekei kai pera, erxetai h ypeyqynh kybernhsh kai ajiopoiei, me ton tropo poy ayth pisteyei, tis empeiries poy yparxoyn kai se alles xwres. Ayto den einai kako. Gia paradeigma, gnwrizete oti sto sxediasmo poy kaname gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes -kai einai enas poly kalos sxediasmos, opws h idia h DOE leei- phrame emeis tis apofaseis, alla einai safes oti ajiopoihsame kai thn empeiria olwn twn xwrwn poy exoyn diorganwsei Olympiakoys Agwnes. Den qewrw kako na ajiopoieis th dieqnh empeiria h toylaxiston na th gnwrizeis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Skeftetai h kybernhsh na taktopoihsei nomoqetikws to qema ek meroys toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias gia thn ellhnikh shmaia kai poioi qa th shkwnoyn stis parelaseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: To qewrw lhjan. Exei taktopoihqei me nomo kai exoyne stalei kai oi sxetikes egkyklioi sta sxoleia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi. Yparxei mia apofash, h opoia katargei ena Proedriko Diatagma. Ayto einai mia nomoqetikh anwmalia. Gi` ayto lew, meta to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke pali, ean skefteste na tropopoihsete h na taktopoihsete ayto to qema.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to legomeno qorybo, exw topoqethqei politika apo xqes. Apo ekei kai pera, h egkyklios poy exei stalei apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, kalyptei plhrws to opoiodhpote erwthma gyrw apo ayto to zhthma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai mia erwthsh toy staqmoy ston opoio ergazomai.. Qa ejakoloyqhsete na exete kai eseis thn idia taktikh sth moriodothsh kai adeiodothsh twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn me ton prokatoxo sas, xwris na shkwnete bebaiws tis amarties toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den qewrw oti o prokatoxos moy exei "amarties". Antiqetws, exei kanei poly kala th doyleia toy. Deyteron, yparxei nomos poy problepei aytes tis diadikasies, kaqws kai to armodio Organo -to Eqniko Symboylio Radiothleorashs- to opoio tis efarmozei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To apotelesma, omws, aytwn twn apofasewn dinei ena apotelesma to opoio den einai synnomo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai edw gia na apantw stis erwthseis sas kai oxi gia na sxoliazei o enas pros ton allon kapoia zhthmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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