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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-11-23

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Noembrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia to shmerino prwtoselido twn "NEWN" poy afora thn ekqesh peri tromokratias sthn Ellada. Einai diarroh; Gnwrizate oti qa dhmosieyqei kai ti shmainei se syndyasmo me alla shmerina dhmosieymata; Mhpws epikeintai kapoies epishmes anakoinwseis apo thn Kybernhsh gia to qema ths "17N";

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. To sxetiko keimeno to eida shmera dhmosieymeno, opws ki eseis. Tetoia keimena, kata kairoys, syntassontai apo yphresies se diafora epipeda.

IWANNOY: Apanthsate sto prwto erwthma moy. To deytero einai ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh, to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs einai konta sto na kanei kapoies anakoinwseis, sxetika me stoixeia poy qa mas feroyn pio konta sth syllhch ths "17N'.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epikoinwnhsa me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai den yparxei kati tetoio ayth th stigmh. Oson afora to dhmosieyma, epanalambanw oti tetoia keimena, tetoies ekqeseis syntassontai kata kairoys apo yphresies se diafora epipeda.

XONDROS: Syntassontai kai katalhgoyn sto oti osoi exoyn sxesh me opoiondhpote tropo me toys Tsoytsoybh, Kasimh, endexomenws leei na exoyn synexish ths tromokratikhs drasthriothtas qa prepei na diereynhqei. Ayto shmainei oti dhmioyrgeitai ena klima gia na yparjoyn syllhceis to epomeno diasthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den qa allajei se tipota h qesh poy exoyme ekfrasei kai thn opoia exei ekfrasei kat` epanalhch o armodios ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Tipota den allazei. Sthn Ellada exoyme kratos dikaioy kai ayto qelw na to tonisw. Ayto apotypwnetai kai sto idio to keimeno. Pantote throyntai oi nomoi mas, ta problepomena apo to Syntagma mas. Yparxei sebasmos sta dikaiwmata kai panta yparxoyn dikonomikoi kanones poy akoloyqoyntai se oles tis periptwseis. Yparxei eswterikh ennomh tajh poy threitai me idiaiterh prosoxh kai sebasmo oson afora ta dikaiwmata twn politwn.

KARELIAS: Qa hqela na sas qesw dyo erwthmata: Prwton, poia yphresia synetaje ayto to keimeno; Kai deyteron, ean h kybernhsh gnwrize ayto to keimeno kai poios apo thn kybernhsh to gnwrize;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Opws jerete, se aytes tis periptwseis yparxei idiaiterh prosoxh. Sas eipa oti tetoia keimena syntassontai apo tis armodies yphresies se polla kai diafora epipeda. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta. Apo ekei kai pera ta jeroyn monon oi armodioi, se ola ta epipeda poy sas anefera, giati den einai ena to epipedo sto opoio syntassontai oi ekqeseis. Yparxoyn yphresiakes ekqeseis, apo thn a@ h th b@ yphresia.

KONTOPOYLOS: Eseis ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos sxoliazete keimena@

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti tetoia keimena syntassontai apo tis armodies yphresies. O synadelfos sas me rwthse ean ayto to keimeno ginetai gia na odhghqoyme se syllhceis. Apanthsa oti isa-isa eimaste panta staqeroi sthn apoch mas gia to pws antimetwpizoyme to qema twn dikaiwmatwn, pws efarmozoyme thn eswterikh ennomh tajh kai tonisa oti h Ellada einai kratos dikaioy. Epishs, tonisa oti ayto apodeiknyetai akomh kai apo thn idia thn ekqesh.

KONTOPOYLOS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh yioqetei aytes tis ektimhseis, afoy syntassontai apo armodies yphresies; Ayth th stigmh apotypwnoyn tis ektimhseis kai to epipedo twn apocewn poy exei diamorfwsei h kybernhsh gyrw apo ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ekqeseis einai ekqeseis. Den einai oyte kybernhtikes apofaseis, oyte anakoinwseis. Oi ekqeseis einai ekqeseis me o,ti shmainei h lejh. Mia yphresia mporei na syntajei mia ekqesh. Mia allh yphresia -dioti yparxoyn kai synarmodiothtes se ayta ta zhthmata- mporei na syntajei mia allh ekqesh. H ekqesh exei th dikh ths shmasia kai to diko ths eidiko baros. H kaqe ekqesh den einai kybernhtikh apofash, oyte nomos, oyte diatagma, oyte ypoyrgikh apofash, oyte anakoinwsh. Prepei na topoqetoyme ta pragmata sthn pragmatikh toys diastash.

KARELIAS: Otan prin apo kapoio kairo, apo amerikanikhs pleyras eixame to qema gia tis perifhmes listes, h kybernhsh dieceyse kathgorhmatika thn yparjh aytoy toy qematos. Shmera, me ayth thn ekqesh, nomizw oti epanerxetai to qema ayto apo ellhnikh yphresia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yparxei tipota sxetika me listes.

KARELIAS: Fysika kai yparxei. H ekqesh milaei gia onomata.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ekqesh exei to diko ths eidiko baros. Epanalambanw oti kaqe ekqesh den einai apofash. Kaqe ekqesh den shmainei pws o,ti leei yioqeteitai ej orismoy. Kaqe ekqesh den shmainei oti apotelei kybernhtikh grammh. Ekqeseis yphresiwn yparxoyn kai einai logiko. Se kaqe eynomoymeno kratos oi armodies yphresies tis syntassoyn se diafora epipeda. Oi exontes thn eyqynh kanoyn toso tis ektimhseis toys, oso kai tis analyseis toys. Den shmainei pws otidhpote grafei o armodios yphresiakos paragontas h kapoios allos poy exei thn eyqynh ths syntajhs ths ekqeshs, ayto einai kai teleiwse. En telei, den eida kai tipota poy na exei na kanei me listes k.tl..

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh ayto poy katalaba apo ta osa eipate mexri twra einai oti h ekqesh ayth einai ajiopisth, dhladh einai yparkth, qa hqela na rwthsw ean exei enoxlhqei h kybernhsh apo th dhmosiopoihsh ths, ean empodizei to ergo twn yphresiwn sthn prospaqeia toys gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw topoqethqei diejodika sto qema.

IWANNOY: Ayth h ekqesh einai aporrhth; An nai, pws breqhke sta xeria dhmosiografwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynato na to jerw;

IWANNOY: Einai aporrhth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe ekqesh poy afora tetoia zhthmata, pisteyw oti den einai dhmosio eggrafo. En pash periptwsei, den mporw na jerw to baqmo xarakthrismoy toy. Dioti, opws gnwrizete, ayta exoyn diaforoys xarakthrismoys poy den einai eniaioi.

IWANNOY: Qa elegjete pws eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi ayto yparxoyn oi armodioi. O rolos toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy den einai aytos.

MOYRTZHS: Oi armodies yphresies exoyn onomatepwnymo, giati ola periballontai me thn axlh toy mysthrioy. Einai kratikes, parakratikes, ti einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai parakratikes. Einai mia seira apo armodies yphresies. Se ayta ta zhthmata, gnwrizete oti eimaste ek twn pragmatwn ypoxrewmenoi na kratame idiaitera xamhloys tonoys, dioti katanoeite oti exoyn na kanoyn me mia seira apo leitoyrgies kai yphresies toy kratoys se ena idiaitera eyaisqhto qema.

MOYRTZHS: Ayta ta stoixeia exoyn doqei se jenes yphresies;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei synergasia, poy ektimatai kata periptwsh, me mia seira apo jenes yphresies kai antallagh plhroforhshs panw se orismena eyaisqhta zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn katapolemhsh ths tromokratias. H Ellada, genikws, einai xwra poy synergazetai me th Dieqnh Koinothta. Kai yphresies twn allwn xwrwn prepei na mas enhmerwnoyn gia o,ti prepei na jeroyme kai genikws prepei na yparxei ayth h synergasia. Ajiopoioyme kaqe empeiria sthn kateyqynsh katapolemhshs ths tromokratias, me sebasmo panta sto kratos dikaioy.

MPOYATAR: Yparxei kapoia ektimhsh gia thn hmeromhnia ayths ths ekqeshs, dedomenoy oti fainetai ligo palia kai an paramenoyme se ayta h an yparxoyn apo tote sth gnwsh sas kai alles ekqeseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia eynohtoys logoys, sto deytero meros ths erwthshs sas den qa apanthsw. Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, ontws h ekqesh ayth einai palaioterh.

PITTARAS: O k. Xrysoxoidhs me ton opoio epikoinwnhsate opws mas eipate, htan enoxlhmenos gia to gegonos oti dierreyse ena tetoio eggrafo apo to ypoyrgeio toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi armodioi qa energhsoyn, se kaqe periptwsh. Den qelw na xrhsimopoiw tetoioys oroys, ayth th stigmh. Einai safes oti, otan dhmosiopoieitai ena eggrafo, qa prepei na ginetai kai h sxetikh ereyna gyrw apo to ti akribws egine.

IWANNOY: Dinete kapoia ajia, to oti dhmosieyetai ayth th xronikh periodo h sygkekrimenh ekqesh, anejarthta apo to pws efqase h oxi h to qewreite tyxaio gegonos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn enhmerwsh poy exw, to qewrw tyxaio gegonos. Kai mhn ektimate -opws me rwthse enas synadelfos sas - oti proetoimazetai klima syllhcewn. Oxi. Kai qelw na epimeinw se ayto. Sthn Ellada yparxei kratos dikaioy. Ean oi armodies yphresies exoyn apodeijeis h endeijeis gia kati, fysika qa enhmerwsoyn tis sxetikes arxes. Panta, omws, me sebasmo sto Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy kratoys.

FILHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na parei kapoia metra gia thn apotroph toy syxnoy fainomenoy ths dolofonias politwn apo astynomika organa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pragmati, einai ena qema poy xrhzei idiaiterhs prosoxhs. Exei na kanei me ta synexh metra poy lambanontai hdh -kai prepei na lambanontai- gia th beltiwsh kai ths poiothtas kai ths ekpaideyshs, ara kai twn antidrasewn twn astynomikwn organwn. Sthn Ellada exei ginei ena poly spoydaio ergo pros ayth thn kateyqynshs, ta teleytaia xronia. Prepei na synexistei, giati panta yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs.

FILHS: Einai mono qema ekpaideyshs twn astynomikwn organwn h kai ideologikwn prokatalhcewn, dedomenoy oti ta qymata tyxainei na einai, eite allodapoi, eite toy "periqwrioy";

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai ayto poy epishmainete, kaneis den mporei na to apokleisei. Gnwrizete oti mesa sthn koinwnia mas, ara kai se kaqe dhmosia yphresia poy apotelei meros ths koinwnias, yparxoyn tetoies antilhceis. Merikes fores tis biwnoyme, alla prepei na tis katadikazoyme amesws. Den gnwrizw ean sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh htan ayto h an gnwrize to astynomiko organo oti exei na kanei me allodapo. Mporei kai na mhn to gnwrize. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, otan milw gia th logikh ths ekpaideyshs, ayto den exei na kanei mono me thn ekpaideysh sta opla, alla kai me mia genikoterh logikh kai paideia panw se tetoia zhthmata ta opoia einai idiaitera eyaisqhta kai aforoyn thn koinwnia mas. Qa elega, omws, oti exei na kanei kai me mia logikh katapolemhshs kaqe fainomenoy ratsismoy h jenofobias, poy oloi ofeiloyme na diamorfwsoyme sthn ellhnikh koinwnia.

FILHS: Pws syndeontai ta wraia logia poy eipate molis twra, me to gegonos oti h ELAS, otan eklhqh na epiballei peiqarxikes poines se stelexh ths poy eyqynontai gia dolofonies h gia fonoys politwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den dexomai to "dolofonies".

FILHS: "Dolofonia" einai h kathgoria. Shmera yparxei kathgoria apo proqesh. Den lew, ti dexeste, lew poia einai h epishmh kathgoria. H ELAS, otan klhqhke na epiballei peiqarxikes poines gia fono se stelexh ths...

PRWTOPAPAS: As xrhsimopoihsoyme ton oro "fonos", giati einai fonos, den einai dolofonia.

FILHS: Otan einai apo proqesh, einai dolofonia.

PRWTOPAPAS: O oros "dolofonia" proypoqetei oti to exei meqodeysei kapoios.

FILHS: Pantws, h teleytaia kathgoria poy apaggelqhke epishmws, einai fonos apo proqesh, einai anqrwpoktonia apo proqesh, ara dolofonia. Hqela na rwthsw, pws symbainei h ELAS na jemperdeyei me thn epibolh peiqarxikwn poinwn dyo-triwn mhnwn eis baros twn stelexwn ths, ta opoia katadikazontai gia fonoys politwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti se oles aytes tis periptwseis h Dikaiosynh kanei poly kala th doyleia ths. Mh dhmioyrgoyme thn eikona oti sthn Ellada ginontai synexws fonoi politwn. Yparxoyn kapoia peristatika poy safws oloys mas aforoyn, einai logiko na asxoloymaste me ayta kai xairomai idiaitera gia thn eyaisqhsia poy deixnete. Alla, mh dhmioyrgoyme to fainomeno oti edw sthn Ellada exoyme bgalei ta pistolia kai pyroboloyme o enas ton allon. Den yparxei tetoia katastash. Ola ayta ta peristatika phgainoyn sth Dikaiosynh. Epilambanetai amesws, apaggellei kathgories kai ayto deixnei thn eyaisqhsia poy yparxei. Apo ekei kai pera, parallhla me th Dikaiosynh, lambanontai kai ta problepomena metra kai epiballontai oi peiqarxikes poines. Einai kati to opoio ejetazetai. Den yparxoyn eniaioi kanones. Prepei kaqe periptwsh na th deis xwrista. Kai einai logiko ayto, giati to kaqe peristatiko exei th dikh toy ajia kai symperifora, exei th dikh toy ereyna poy prepei na diejaxqei. Ara, den mporw na milhsw genikws. Pantws, h kateyqynsh poy yparxei apo thn kybernhsh, einai na yparxoyn ameses ejetaseis, na lambanontai ola ta anagkaia metra, na epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh, na epilambanontai ta peiqarxika organa kai na ejetazetai h ypoqesh se baqos, wste na mhn yparxei h paramikrh amfibolia.

FILHS: H Dikaiosynh kanei th doyleia ths, kamia antirrhsh. Sas milw twra gia ta peiqarxika, ta opoia me dikastikes apofaseis poy katalogizoyn to fono, jemperdeyoyn me peiqarxikes diwjeis dyo-triwn mhnwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai ayth h eikona.

FILHS: To gnwrizete; Einai kataggelia deka peristatikwn ta teleytaia xronia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean yparxei sygkekrimenh kataggelia, qa sas parakaloysa na th qesete ypoch moy, prokeimenoy na th diereynhsw kai na sas apanthsw th Deytera.

FILHS: Sthn epomenh enhmerwsh. Kamia antirrhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me xara, na parw thn kataggelia sas. Xairomai gia thn eyaisqhsia sas kai qa sas apanthsw sxetika.

FILHS: Gia ena allo qema: Yparxei mia dhmosia ekklhsh 70 Eyrwpaiwn nomikwn sxetika me ta metra ths legomenhs ``antitromokratikhs nomoqesias'', poy lambanontai ayton ton kairo stis Bryjelles, opoy tonizoyn oti ayta ta metra einai eis baros toy kratoys dikaioy kai ths anagkaias apodeiktikhs diadikasias gia ta diafora egklhmata kai einai yper ths kateyqynshs apospashs omologiwn. Qa hqela ena sxolio gi ayth thn poly eyaisqhth kai tekmhriwmenh nomikh kritikh Eyrwpaiwn nomikwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na topoqethqw se mia kritikh poy afora ena allo kratos. Ayto poy qelw na pw einai oti se kaqe periptwsh, h xwra mas, opws exei apodeijei kai me th stash ths sta dieqnh organa poy metexoyme kai sth dieqnh koinothta, den syndeei th logikh ths patajhs ths tromokratias me thn afairesh dikaiwmatwn kai eleyqeriwn twn politwn. Se kamia periptwsh to ena den prepei na ginetai prosxhma gia to allo. Emeis, edw sthn Ellada, exoyme kratos dikaioy, exoyme mia eswterikh ennomh tajh, h opoia sebetai idiaitera ton polith kai kaneis den mporei na syllhfqei, xwris na yparxoyn apodeijeis h basimes endeijeis enoxhs. Kai to jerete poly kala. Ayth einai mia pagia diafwnia mas me arketoys, opws, epishs, gnwrizete.

FILHS: OI Eyrwpaioi nomikoi miloyn gia to eyrwpaiko entalma syllhchs, den miloyn gia kapoia metra se allh xwra, sto opoio symmetexei, synergei kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to eyrwpaiko entalma syllhchs, gnwrizete poly kala, th maxh poy exei dwsei o armodios ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs Filippos Petsalnikos, gia tis teleytaies apofaseis, oi opoies exoyn lhfqei kai einai pros thn kateyqynsh twn dikwn mas apocewn.

MPEKATWROY: Kata poso anhsyxei h kybernhsh me to qorybo poy exei dhmioyrghqei sxetika me toys allodapoys kratoymenoys gia thn ypoqesh kataskopias; Kai h xqesinh allagh gnwmhs ths kybernhshs gia to poios qa episkefqei, en telei, th mia kratoymenh, einai apotelesma piesewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, oxi. Yphrje mia anakoinwsh to prwi apo ton ekproswpo toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Mpeglith. En synexeia, yphrje enas problhmatismos, o opoios moy gnwstopoihqhke, gi ayto kai opws qa prosejate sth dikh mas syzhthsh, milhsa gia ekproswpoys toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Moy eixe gnwstopoihqei o problhmatismos apo ton idio ton k. Mpeglith, ean qa prepei telikws na paei o ypoyrgos h oxi. Telikws, aytos o problhmatismos synexisthke, employtisthke, opws qa gnwrizete kai apo apoceis poy ekfrasthkan kai kata th diarkeia ths synanthshs poy egine sto YPEJ, alla kai apo th dikh mas synanthsh kai ektimhqhke oti qa htan kalytera na paei antiproswpeia. Ayto ektimhqhke apo ton idio ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy, meta th metafora apo ton k. Mpeglith olwn twn syzhthsewn poy eginan. Aytos o problhmatismos, epanalambanw, yphrxe kai otan hrqa sth xqesinh mas synanthsh kai ton ejefrasa.

MPEKATWROY: Den qa eprepe tetoioi problhmatismoi na ginontai prin anakoinwqei mia tetoia episkech;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan yparxoyn orismena eyaisqhta zhthmata, den einai kako na anakoinwsei mia proqesh toy enas ypoyrgos, dia toy ekproswpoy toy kai en synexeia, an prokycoyn kapoia nea stoixeia, problhmatismoi, skeceis, na odhghsoyn se mia diaforetikh apofash. Den allajame kati se ena strathgiko qema poy afora thn poreia ths xwras. Htan mia ektimhsh gia mia episkech kalhs qelhshs apo to YPEJ, h opoia telikws egine se allo epipedo. Ayto poy qelw na tonisw einai pws einai logiko to YPEJ, to opoio dexetai oles tis parembaseis, tis diamartyries h tis anhsyxies apo thn pleyra toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy, se diafora epipeda (prepei na jerete kai se epipedo ypoyrgoy, alla kai apo boyleytes kai apo diaforoys foreis, oi opoioi diamartyrontai, ekfrazoyn tis anhsyxies toys, toys problhmatismoys, ta parapona toys, ta erwthmata toys), na exei mia idiaiterh eyaisqhsia sto qema. Giati exei idiaiterh eyaisqhsia; Giati, to endiaferei h dieqnhs qesh ths xwras mas. To endiaferei h dieqnhs eikona ths xwras kai to endiaferoyn oi kales dimereis sxeseis.

MPEKATWROY: Kapoia antidrash apo th bretanikh pleyra gia thn akyrwsh ths episkechs toy k. Papandreoy yphrje;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw. Alla, ekproswpoi toy YPEJ phgan, opws gnwrizete. En pash periptwsei, den mas zhthqhke na pame. Na to dieykrinisoyme ayto, alla kai na mas zhteito, den qa kriname me bash ti mas zhta o allos. Emeis, opws tonisa kai xqes, ypoxreoymaste gia logoys kalhs pisths na toys enhmerwsoyme, ti ginetai, poies einai oi kathgories, poy briskontai oi polites toys, se ti synqhkes kratoyntai. Ola ayta, bebaiws, sto plaisio mias kalhs sxeshs metajy xwrwn. Kai toys enhmerwsame, kati poy to kanoyme taktikotata. Yparxei synexhs epafh me tis armodies arxes toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy. Apo kei kai pera, h episkech eixe thn ennoia ths kalhs qelhshs. Eimaste edw, blepoyme ti ginetai, parakoloyqoyme thn katastash, exoyme epafh me tis armodies yphresies.

FILHS: Yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno sxetika me ta metra pio aysthrhs apodoshs toy kaqestwtos toy politikoy asyloy sthn Ellada, ta opoia qa syzhthqoyn, thn erxomenh ebdomada, se kybernhtiko epipedo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn epomenh ebdomada, qa yparjei mia syzhthsh eidika gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs, poy lambanei ektash ton teleytaio kairo. Opws gnwrizete, exei ypografei mia symfwnia me thn kybernhsh ths Toyrkias, ena prwtokollo, ta dedomena toy opoioy hdh throyntai. Arxise h efarmogh ayths ths symfwnias, me mia kinhsh prin apo merikes hmeres.

FILHS: Qa syzhthsete kati pio sygkekrimeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epikeitai h diypoyrgikh syskech gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs kai isws lhfqoyn sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Ayth th stigmh, ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia proetoimazontai.

FILHS: Sth syskech ayth qa yparxei qema allaghs nomoqesias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti polla synarmodia ypoyrgeia proetoimazontai ayth th stigmh, opws to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, to ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias, to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai alla, poy emplekontai sto qema twn laqrometanastwn. Se ola ayta ta zhthmata, kaqe ypoyrgeio kanei thn proetoimasia toy. Giati ginetai mia diypoyrgikh syskech; Gia na diapistwsei ola ayta ta fainomena, ola ayta ta problhmata poy rwtate. To ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, gia paradeigma, anefere xqes dia toy ypoyrgoy Kwsta Skandalidh, oti exei enan problhmatismo gia thn kalyterh efarmogh ths deyterhs fashs xorhghshs adeias paramonhs kai ergasias pros toys laqrometanastes poy proeblepe o nomos. Alla, ayto me thn ennoia ths dieykolynshs twn diadikasiwn kai ths oristikopoihshs twn diadikasiwn. Allo ypoyrgeio, omws, mporei na zhthsei kati allo. Den mporei na prokatalaboyme to ti qa ginei se mia diypoyrgikh syskech.

FILHS: Eipate oti ta metra toy deyteroy kymatos, aforoyn toys laqrometanastes; Giati einai nomimoi pia oi anqrwpoi aytoi sthn Ellada. Einai metanastes eji mhnwn, me thn proswrinh paramonh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka se mia piqanh allagh poy ejaggelqhke xqes apo ton k. Skandalidh. Oi anqrwpoi aytoi exoyn parei mia ejamhnh adeia.

FILHS: Den einai laqrometanastes, loipon.

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan laqrometanastes prin laboyn thn ejamhnh adeia.

FILHS: Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla oyte tote htan..

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyn labei mia ejamhnh adeia. Kai yparxei mia diadikasia gia na paroyn mia makroxronh adeia paramonhs kai ergasias. Fainetai oti ekei yphrxe o kindynos kapoiwn grafeiokratikwn problhmatwn. Prokeimenoy, loipon, na dieykolynqei h olh diadikasia kai na ginei apotelesmatikoterh -kai oxi gia na kathgorhsoyme kapoion, mhn anhsyxeite- o k. Skandalidhs ekane mia sxetikh anafora. To eipa ayto ws paradeigma gia na tonisw oti yparxoyn polla qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn sth diypoyrgikh epitroph. Alla, den mporw na jerw oyte ta qemata poy qa qesoyn ta ypoyrgeia, giati ayth th stigmh ginetai h proetoimasia, oyte tis apofaseis. Dioti, alimono, ean oi apofaseis lambanontan protoy ginoyn oi synedriaseis twn organwn. Tote den xreiazetai na ginoyn oi synedriaseis.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ena diadikastiko erwthma: Se poio epipedo qa ginei ayth h kybernhtikh syskech; Qa einai kybernhtikh epitroph, qa einai ypoyrgiko symboylio, qa einai diypoyrgikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H arxikh skech einai gia mia diypoyrgikh syskech.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Jerete poioi qa metexoyn, poia ypoyrgeia einai synarmodia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa poia ypoyrgeia exoyn synarmodiothta. Einai ta ypoyrgeia Eswterikwn, Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn, Naytilias, empleketai se kapoio baqmo to YEQA. Yparxei mia seira apo mikroteres h megalyteres emplokes. Oloi aytoi proetoimazontai gia na dwsoyn tis eishghseis kai tis apoceis toys kai h telikh syskech qa ginei, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn oi protaseis kai na lhfqoyn apofaseis, oi opoies mporei na mhn einai kai telikes. Den einai kybernhtiko organo, den einai ypoyrgiko symboylio. Shmainei praktika oti h kybernhsh skybei me prosoxh panw sto problhma. Qelw na sas epishmanw oti, ws ena shmeio, h ennoia aytwn twn proetoimasiwn exei na kanei kai me to qema ths Synodoy Koryfhs, sto opoio opws gnwrizete -kai se ayto exei parembei o Prwqypoyrgos, kat epanalhch- qa ginoyn kai syzhthseis poy qa aforoyn to qema twn metanastwn sthn Eyrwph.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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