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Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-11-26

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Noembrioy 2001

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada. Xronia Polla stoys Stelioys kai tis Stelles.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Ayth thn wra synedriazei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Meta to peras ths synedriashs o Prwqypoyrgos qa probei se dhlwseis, sto Megaro Majimoy kai sth synexeia, o yfypoyrgos Typoy Thlemaxos Xythrhs qa enhmerwsei toys armodioys syntaktes. Stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me toys ypoyrgoys Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh kai Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn Xrhsto Berelh.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, qa arxisei h pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh poy proklhqhke katopin aithmatos toy Proedroy toy Synaspismoy Nikoy Kwnstantopoyloy gia ta qemata poy aporreoyn apo ton polemo sto Afganistan.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gia ta qemata poy syndeontai me thn eisagwgh toy Eyrw. Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia, me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth. Stis 7 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs gia to problhma twn germanikwn apozhmiwsewn.

Thn Pempth, to prwi, qa syzhthqei sth Boylh h protash twn boyleytwn ths N.D. gia th sygkrothsh ejetastikhs epitrophs gia to qema ths DEKA kai qa ginei chfoforia, kapoia wra poy qa oristei mesa apo thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, arga to meshmeri. Stis 2 meta to meshmeri, yparxei h programmatismenh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn Ellhnida Epitropo Anna Diamantopoyloy. Stis 6 to apogeyma, qa yparjei synanthsh me thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn gia thn proetoimasia ths epafhs me to Belgo Prwqypoyrgo Gki Ferxofstant kai ths Synodoy Koryfhs, genikotera, ths belgikhs proedrias.

Thn Paraskeyh, o Prwqypoyrgos pragmatopoiei epishmh episkech sth Slobenia, mia xwra poy, opws gnwrizete, einai kai ayth ypochfia gia entajh sthn E.E. O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei to brady ths idias hmeras.

To Sabbato, stis 12.30, qa ginei h programmatismenh synanthsh me to Belgo Prwqypoyrgo.

H diypoyrgikh syskech gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs, qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qelw na anaferqw sthn episkech toy arxhgoy ths N.D. se sxoleio ths Aqhnas kai sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse. Episkefqhke to 46o Gymnasio kai Lykeio Aqhnwn. O k. Karamanlhs ekane kai pali mia apo tis gnwstes epideijeis mizerias. Synhqizei pleon na epilegei ena xwro opoy to neo den exei gennhqei akomh, opoy h prospaqeia poy ginetai se olh th xwra piqano na mhn exei apodwsei akomh toys karpoys ths kai prospaqei, ekmetalleyomenos to problhma ayto, na dhmioyrghsei mia genikoterh arnhtikh eikona, arnoymenos na anagnwrisei thn pragmatikothta, thn proodo poy synteleitai. Prospaqei na meiwsei thn proodo ths xwras gia mikrokommatika ofelh. Emeis qa ekmetalleytoyme qetika aytes tis episkeceis toy k. Karamanlh, gia na anadeijoyme thn pragmatikothta, gia na anadeijoyme thn alhqeia. O k. Karamanlhs den gnwrizei -kai ayto qa eprepe na to eixe plhroforhqei- oti ayth th stigmh mono sthn Attikh kataskeyazontai 130 kainoyrgies sxolikes monades. Oson afora to programma plhroforikhs, to 90% twn gymnasiwn exei pleon sygxrona ergasthria plhroforikhs kai to 66% twn lykeiwn. Kai to 100% qa einai poly syntoma mia pragmatikothta. Bebaiws, prepei na toy poyme oti se 85 Dhmoys ths eyryterhs perioxhs ths Attikhs yparxei hdh mia bardia, exei katarghqei to kaqestws ths diplobardias. O k. Karamanlhs den blepei thn pragmatikothta. Peismatika arneitai na thn apodexqei, peismatika prospaqei na meiwsei thn proodo poy synteleitai sth xwra. Dhmioyrgei ek systhmatos mia eikona gkriza. Mikrocyxa topoqeteitai apenanti stis qetikes ejelijeis kai oysiastika den exei protaseis. Proteinei aplws dialogo gia ena eqniko systhma paideias. Dialogo poy eixe aporricei, otan ton proteine to PASOK. Oysiastika qelei na odhghsei stis "kalendes", na mhn yparjei proodos. Emeis, qa proballoyme to ergo mas kai qa to synexisoyme. Sas enhmerwnw oti qa yparjei analytikh anakoinwsh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy.

Telos, qelw na tonisw oti thn wra poy o k. Karamanlhs ekane ayth th gnwsth epideijh mikrocyxias kai mizerias poy synhqizei teleytaia, thn idia wra o armodios ypoyrgos Paideias egkainiaze ta kainoyrgia sxoleia sta Melissia. Ekeinos me th mikrocyxia kai thn arnhsh. Emeis me th dhmioyrgia kai thn oikodomhsh toy mellontos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Qa sas paw se ena qema poy mporei na fainetai oti den einai politiko kai oti den afora thn kybernhsh, alla parola ayta afora to synolo ths koinwnias kai esas gia ta metra poy qa labete. Plhroforhqhkame, arga xqes to brady, kai shmera to prwi oi perissoteres efhmerides to anadeiknyoyn, to episthmoniko peirama gia thn klwnopoihsh anqrwpinwn embrywn. Epeidh to qema den einai aplo, pera apo oloys toys kanones deontologias kai hqikhs, afora kai ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai ola ayta kai shmatodotei kai mia ideologikh bash. Poio einai, loipon, to stigma ths kybernhshs apenanti se ena tetoio episthmoniko apotelesma, opws lene oi episthmones poy to ekanan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qigete ena pragmatika terastio zhthma. Se ayta ta zhthmata prepei na prosejoyme para poly. Kaneis den arneitai thn proodo, alla h proodos prepei na einai pros ofelos toy anqrwpoy, pros ofelos ths koinwnias. Me ayth thn ennoia, pisteyw pragmatika oti xreiazetai mia megalh syzhthsh kai ena swsto, kainoyrgio, sygxrono nomoqetiko plaisio poy na antimetwpizei oles aytes tis periptwseis. Sthn Ellada exoyme dhmioyrghsei, opws jerete, mia Eqnikh Epitroph Biohqikhs poy prospaqei na melethsei oles aytes tis periptwseis kai na empodisei th dhmioyrgia twn opoiwn kindynwn, mesa apo thn oikodomhsh kanonwn deontologias kai enos sygxronoy nomoqetikoy plaisioy. To idio prepei na ginei kai sthn E.E., to idio prepei na ginei kai stoys pagkosmioys organismoys. To mellon ths koinwnias prepei na to antimetwpizoyme me aisiodojia. H episthmh kai h texnologia prepei na einai sthn yphresia toy anqrwpoy kai ths koinwnias kai se ayto xreiazetai oloi na staqoyme me prosoxh kai apofasistikothta.

MIXAHL: Ean kapoios episthmonas sthn Ellada, eite idiwtika, eite se dhmosio ergasthrio, proxwrhsei se mia tetoia diadikasia, h kybernhsh mporeite na mas peite pws qa to antimetwpisei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn kanones. H Eqnikh Epitroph Biohqikhs exei qesei kanones. Aytoi oi kanones, bebaiws, qa employtizontai synexws, dioti sth synexh ejelijh ths episthmhs, qa prepei na exeis mia synexh ejelijh twn kanonwn. Bebaiws, den qa epitrecoyme se kamia periptwsh na proklhqoyn problhmata tetoias fysews. Oxi ypo thn ennoia ths arnhshs ths ejelijhs ths episthmhs, alla ypo thn ennoia twn kanonwn deontologias, twn kanonwn genikotera poy qa strecoyn ayto to mellon yper toy anqrwpoy kai ths koinwnias.

ARGYROS: Yphrjan dhmosieymata gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai to deytero gia to problhma poy yparxei me toys bretanoys kratoymenoys kai tis anafores poy kanoyn. Qa ginei kapoia parembash apo thn ellhnikh pleyra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia seira dhmosieymatwn. Yparxoyn qetika dhmosieymata gia to qema twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Den xreiazetai na pw tipota, ta dhmosieymata miloyn apo mona toys. H pragmatikothta mila apo monh ths. Parapempw, ejalloy, stis sxetikes dhlwseis toy k. Osbalnt, thn Paraskeyh. Gnwrizoyme oti kapoioi apogohteyqhkan, epeidh phge kala h episkech ths DOE. Yparxoyn orismenoi kai orismenes politikes dynameis kai omilw gia th N.D., h opoia perimene kati arnhtiko. Ekeino poy qelw na toys systhsw einai na prosexoyn, dioti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes einai eqnikh ypoqesh. Se ayta ta zhthmata den prepei na epixairoyn, otan kati den paei kala. Prepei na enwnoyn tis dynameis toys, mazi mas, wste h Ellada na diorganwsei toys kalyteroys O.A. poy exoyn ginei pote. Bebaiws, ta dhmosieymata toy dieqnoys Typoy erxontai na dikaiwsoyn tis apoceis mas.

Yparxoyn kapoia alla dhmosieymata, allhs meridas toy amerikanikoy Typoy, poy aforoyn ayta ta zhthmata, alla den nomizw oti einai ajiopista.

Yparxei kai mia seira apo dhmosieymata toy agglikoy Typoy, gia to gnwsto qema poy exoyme syzhthsei kai edw, to qema ths krathshs gia kataskopia kapoiwn bretanwn yphkown. Sto zhthma ayto den yparxei ejelijh. Gnwrizete oti exei ginei o,ti htan dynato, mesa sto plaisio ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias, bebaiws, gia thn ejyphrethsh aytwn twn anqrwpwn. Gnwrizete oti yphrje mia episkech kalhs qelhshs klimakioy toy YPEJ. Yparxei mia synexhs epafh kai enhmerwsh ths pleyras toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy, prokeimenoy na ginei to kalytero dynato. Panta, omws, mesa sto plaisio ths ellhnikhs nomoqesias kai ths anejarthsias ths dikastikhs ejoysias.

GIANNISHS: To Sabbato, o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Berelhs ekane mia dhlwsh, proteinontas to Giwrgo Papandreoy h kapoio allo koryfaio stelexos gia to Dhmo ths Aqhnas. Einai mia entelws proswpikh apoch toy ypoyrgoy h aphxei kai kapoia allh eyryterh diaqesh mesa stoys kolpoys ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se tipota den empleketai h kybernhsh me thn ypodeijh toy ypochfioy toy PASOK gia to Dhmo ths Aqhnas h kai gia toys alloys Dhmoys. To qema ths ypodeijhs ypochfiwn apo to komma toy PASOK, qa syzhthqei mesa sto PASOK, sta organa toy kai hdh exei prosdioristei h synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs gia to qema ayto.

GARGALAKOS: O arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs yposthrizei oti h kybernhsh proetoimazei kapoia politika paixnidia me ton eklogiko nomo, prokeimenoy na apotrecei tis dysmeneis gia thn kybernhsh ejelijeis ston eklogiko tomea. Ti exete na peite ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Topoqethqhka kai xqes. Ektimw oti o k. Karamanlhs prospaqei na apotrecei to dialogo, oxi mono gia ton eklogiko nomo, alla kai gia tis poiotikes allages poy xreiazetai to politiko systhma mas, gia qemata opws einai h organwsh kai h diejagwgh toy proeklogikoy agwna, h mh syndesh oikonomias kai politikhs kai zhthmata poy syndeontai me toys eklogikoys katalogoys. Panw se ayta ta zhthmata einai gnwsto oti qa analhfqoyn prwtoboylies dialogoy apo ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh. O k. Karamanlhs gnwrizei oti qa analhfqoyn aytes oi prwtoboylies. Kata th gnwmh moy, me ayth thn atyxh parembash poy ekane sto Aigio, epixeirei na diakocei ayto to dialogo, prin kala-kala arxisei. Dioti, den mporw na ejhghsw oti yparxei kati allo. Opws einai gnwsto, stis epomenes ekloges qa pame me to yparxon eklogiko systhma, ektos ean alliws symfwnhsei to PASOK me th N.D., pragma mh piqano shmera. Xreiazontai 200 chfoi. O k. Karamanlhs, loipon, eprepe na gnwrizei oti den mporei na allajei to systhma gia tis ekloges -kai anaferomai stis ekloges poy qa ginoyn to 2004- ektos ean symfwnhsei to komma toy. Ara, den katalabainw giati ebgale aytes tis krayges, giati ekane aytes tis anafores se toso ychloys tonoys kai giati ejapelyse ayth thn pragmatika periergh epiqesh kata toy PASOK. Ektos, ean fobatai, apo thn emfanh anakamch toy PASOK.

GARGALAKOS: Qa hqela na prosqesw kai to ejhs. Yparxei ena senario poy diakineitai -kai nomizw oti se ayto anaferotan o k. Karamanlhs me tis dhlwseis toy- dhladh oti to kybernwn komma, blepontas oti xanei tis ekloges toy 2004 h telos pantwn opote ginoyn, proetoimazetai gia th nikh, otan prokycei qema ekloghs me thn eykairia ths ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Dhladh, katalogizei kapoio sxedio, oxi gi` aytes tis ekloges, alla gia tis anagkastikes ekloges thn anoijh toy 2005.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na shmeiwsw oti kata th dikh mas ektimhsh kai thn anoijh toy 2005 to PASOK qa einai kybernhsh. Ara, den exei kanena logo na etoimasei diaforetiko eklogiko nomo gia na amfisbhthsei ton eayto toy. Qa elega oti, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, o k. Karamanlhs moy qymizei th laikh rhsh: "o peinasmenos karbelia oneireyetai".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy o eklogikos einai kalos, giati qelete na ton allajete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa oti einai kalos h kakos o eklogikos nomos. Eipa oti meta apo deka xronia prepei na syzhthsoyme kai ean katalhjoyme oloi, oti ejyphretei thn poiotikh anabaqmish toy politikoy mas systhmatos, qa ton afhsoyme ws exei. Ayto, omws, einai antikeimeno enos dialogoy me ola ta kommata, poy prepei na ginei, se eqniko epipedo. Enos dialogoy poy den qa perilambanei mono qemata eklogikoy nomoy, alla qa prepei na epektaqei kai se zhthmata poy na aforoyn th mh syndesh oikonomias kai politikhs, se qemata poy syndeontai me toys oroys diejagwghs twn eklogwn, toys eklogikoys katalogoys, kai me ayta poy syndeontai me ton eklogiko agwna, thn organwsh toy kai th diejagwgh toy me tropo poy na diasfalizei plhrws th diafaneia kai thn eleyqerh diakinhsh twn apocewn kai na periorizei tis dapanes twn ypochfiwn. Ola ayta ta zhthmata prepei na syzhthqoyn, einai antikeimeno eqnikoy dialogoy. Ara, loipon, poios den qelei na ginei aytos o dialogos;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Syzhtate gia allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy. Den syzhtate gia ta alla, ta opoia ginontai me ypoyrgikes apofaseis, den ginontai me ton eklogiko nomo kai oi dapanes kai ola ta alla. Ginontai me apofash ths Boylhs. Eseis qelete na allajete ton eklogiko nomo, giati sas boleyei..

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qeloyme ej orismoy na allajoyme tipota. Qeloyme na syzhthsoyme zhthmata poy syndeontai me thn poiotikh anabaqmish toy politikoy mas systhmatos. Ypo ayth thn ennoia, ean sth syzhthsh ektimhqei oti yparxei qema eklogikoy nomoy, einai ena shmeio poy mporoyme na to syzhthsoyme. Den jekiname na allajoyme tipota kai den qewroyme tipota dedomeno. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, xwris th symfwnia ths N.D. opws problepei to Syntagma mas, den mporei na pame stis ekloges toy 2004 me allon eklogiko nomo. Ara, pros ti h anhsyxia, pros ti oi krayges kai pros ti oi epiklhseis peri noqeias kai prajikophmatos. Qa mporoysa na pw oti se tetoies meqodoys, symfwna me thn politikh mas istoria, den einai h dikh mas paratajh, oyte ta dika mas politika stelexh poy exoyn entryfhsei. Alla, ayto den afora to shmera kai to mellon. To shmera kai to mellon to afora h anagkh ths poiotikhs anabaqmishs, twn poiotikwn allagwn sto politiko mas systhma.

BITALHS: Epeidh, milate gia anabaqmish toy politikoy systhmatos, mesw kapoiwn diorqwsewn, enos dialogoy, qa legame, poy den qa afora mono ton eklogiko nomo, alla, qewreite oti o eklogikos nomos einai ena stoixeio anabaqmishs toy politikoy systhmatos, pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, mia kai kanete ayth th syndesh, qewreite oti ena systhma analogikoteroy nomoy, bohqa perissotero sthn anabaqmish toy eklogikoy systhmatos. Dhladh, thn aplh analogikh, poy zhtoyn polla kommata ths antipoliteyshs; Bohqa, qa to qesete sto trapezi ayto to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto to erwthma qa teqei to trapezi toy dialogoy. Mporei, kat epanalhch, na exoyme ekfrasei tis apoceis mas, alla otan jekinas enan dialogo ofeileis na akoyseis, na zhthseis kai na problhmatisteis gia oles tis apoceis. Se kaqe periptwsh, gnwrizete, oti oi ekloges toy 2004 qa ginoyn me ton paronta eklogiko nomo, symfwna me to Syntagma mas, ektos ean symfwnhsei se kati diaforetiko h N.D. me to PASOK, pragma to opoio fainetai oti den einai orato, ayth th stigmh. Apo kei kai pera, sto qema ths poreias kai ths poiotikhs ejelijhs toy politikoy mas systhmatos, einai safes oti o kaqenas qa paroysiasei tis apoceis toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa mas peite pote qa ginoyn ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ekloges qa ginoyn to 2004.

BITALHS: Akoysa prohgoymenws tis aitiaseis kai thn kritikh sas sta osa eipe o k. Karamanlhs, kata thn episkech toy se ena Gymnasio. Exoyme akoysei kai alles kritikes poy exoyn diatypwqei kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo esas kai apo alla koryfaia stelexh pros th N.D. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, omws, me aformh mia seira synenteyjewn probeblhmenwn ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs, opws ayth toy k. Papantwnioy xqes sto BHMA kai shmera toy k. Berelh, poy lene oti to ``sklhro rok'' den wfelei ayth th stigmh, bohqaei mallon th N.D. Sas problhmatizoyn aytoy toy typoy oi epishmanseis twn koryfaiwn stelexwn sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ajiopoioyme kaqe protash kai kaqe qesh. Kai to swsto sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh einai oti ``qa prepei na maqoyme na xoreyoyme oloys toys xoroys''.

KACIWTHS: Shmera, se prwtoselido ths ``ESPRESSO'' apokalyptetai h drash mias kyrias, h opoia mplekontas prwhn ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs kai stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, xrhsimopoioyse ayta ta onomata gia na ejyfainei ena sxedio poy exei na kanei me th syllogh stoixeiwn gia stratopeda sygkentrwshs kai ekpaideyshs twn Koyrdwn, edw sthn Ellada. Malista, ayth h kyria breqhke sthn presbeytikh mas katoikia sto Libano, dianyktereyse ekei kai xrhsimopoihse to presbeytiko aytokinhto. Gnwrizei h kybernhsh th drasthriothta ths kyrias kai poso problhmatizetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na sxoliasw tipota apo ola ayta. Gnwrizete oti den yparxoyn stratopeda Koyrdwn, me thn ennoia poy dwsate, plhn toy stratopedoy sto Layrio, poy brisketai ypo ton elegxo ths Ypaths Armosteias toy OHE kai alloys Dieqneis Organismoys kai leitoyrgei kaqara gia anqrwpistikh bohqeia kai proswrinh diamonh. H kybernhsh gnwrizei poly kala th doyleia ths.

KACIWTHS: Sas to lew giati o k. Xaralampopoylos, o k. Piperias, alla kai o k. Tsimas apo thn EYP, problhmatisthkan idiaitera gia th drash ayth ths kyrias. Ean to gnwrizete erwtw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na topoqethqw se dhlwseis prwhn ypoyrgwn kai stelexwn, oi opoioi ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys se diafora zhthmata.

XONDROS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ajiopoioyme kaqe protash kai qesh gia to ``sklhro rok''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa gia ``sklhro rok''. Ajiopoioyme kaqe protash kai kaqe topoqethsh. Kai apo kei kai pera, eipa kai th gnwmh moy, oti prepei na maqoyme na xoreyoyme oloys toys xoroys.

XONDROS: To qema einai poios bazei to disko sto pik-ap; To exete apofasisei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O kaqenas otan qelei na xorecei, bazei o idios to disko sto pik-ap.

XONDROS: Kai oloi oi ypoloipoi xoreyoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti ypoxrewnetai kaneis na xorecei se ryqmoys alloy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prin oti o k. Karamanlhs epeleje to 46o sxoleio. Dhladh, prepei na sas rwta se poio sxoleio qa paei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, se opoio kai na paei, emeis anadeiknyoyme th doyleia mas kai ayth qa einai h kalyterh apanthsh. O k. Karamanlhs, aplws, caxnei na brei, poy den exei gennhqei to kainoyrgio kai na arxisei thn katastrofologia. Aytos qelei th xwra mizerh h katastremmenh, an htan dynato. Emeis koitame mprosta kai dhmioyrgoyme ena kalytero mellon. Ayth einai h diafora twn dyo kommatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To 46o sxoleio einai mizero; Me ayta poy lete ayto ypainisseste; Den einai to neo, den exei eksygxronistei, den jerw ti den exei ginei..

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan ginetai mia megalh prospaqeia gia ton eksygxronismo ths xwras, kapoia erga qa ginoyn grhgorotera kai kapoia alla qa epakoloyqhsoyn. Otan gnwrizeis oti to kainoyrgio gennietai, otan gnwrizeis thn prospaqeia poy ginetai gia ton eksygxronismo ths xwras kai dialegeis thn teleytaia nhsida toy prohgoymenoy gia na pas kai na synolikopoihseis mia dhqen arnhtikh eikona, tote leitoyrgeis ek toy ponhroy. Den einai entimh, kai dhmioyrgikh ayth h symperifora kai symfwnh me ayth poy xreiazetai h xwra kai idiaitera otan den exeis na kaneis protaseis. Qelw na epanalabw, oti thn idia wra poy o k. Karamanlhs prospaqoyse na ta paroysiasei ola gkriza, thn idia wra o armodios ypoyrgos Paideias Petros Eyqymioy egkainiaze ta kainoyrgia sxolika sygkrothmata sta Melissia. Ekei fainetai h diafora twn dyo kommatwn.

KAPPOS: Anarwtiemai, kata poso, h kybernhsh mporei na epikaleitai synexws ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, oti to neo piqanon na mhn exei apodwsei karpoys k.lp., otan se orismenoys tomeis kybernhtikoy ergoy briskomaste se katastaseis pros 20etias h ean erqoyme se pio sygxrona zhthmata, gia paradeigma, twn dytikwn synoikiwn poy eplhghsan apo to seismo, yparxoyn terasties apokliseis anamesa twn ktiriwn poy exoyn xarakthristei kokkina...

PRWTOPAPAS: Parakalw thn erwthsh sas.

KAPPOS: Otan yparxoyn tetoia eggenh problhmata, pws mporei na epikaleiste, ws kybernhsh, to kainoyrgio poy erxetai kai den exei apodwsei karpoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti den exei apodwsei karpoys; Eipa oti dhmioyrgeitai kai apodidei karpoys.

KAPPOS: Eipate oti to neo, piqanon, na mhn exei apodwsei karpoys. Epikaleiste pantws ena ``neo''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti mporei na mhn exei oloklhrwqei. Gia na ginw safhs, o k. Karamanlhs akoloyqei thn ejhs taktikh. Mporei na exoyn katarghqei oi diplobardies se dekades dhmoys twn Aqhnwn kai mporei na einai pros katarghsh se dyo treis. Ean se 100 Dhmoys yphrxan kapote diplobardies kai exoyn katarghqei stoys 99, prospaqei na brei to teleytaio, ligo prin katarghqei, kai na pei oti ola etsi einai. Ayto eipa.

KAPPOS: H kybernhsh anagnwrizei oti yparxoyn tetoia eggenh problhmata, ta opoia meta apo 20 xronia diakybernhshs exei apotyxei na ta lysei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean elega oti exoyme apotyxei na ta lysoyme, qa htan mia laqos plhroforhsh. Ta lynoyme apotelesmatika.

KAPPOS: Sta telh ths prohgoymenhs ebdomadas, to Berolino kai to Parisi proxwrhsan se mia synanthsh koryfhs, prokeimenoy na pragmateyqoyn tis arxes enos eyrwpaikoy Syntagmatos. Me dedomeno oti se antistoixes prwtoboylies h kybernhsh exei parei arnhtikh qesh, qa hqela to sxolio sas kai gi ayth th synanthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti yparxei prwtoboylia gia ena kainoyrgio eyrwpaiko Syntagma. Ginontai dimereis epafes. Qa exei kai o Prwqypoyrgos, mesa sto Dekembrio, dimerh epafh me mia xwra-melos ths E.E., thn Ollandia. To na antallassontai apoceis den qewrw oti einai lanqasmeno. Lanqasmeno einai na ginontai sygkentrwseis, san ki ayth poy eixe ginei gia to qema toy Afganistan.

BITALHS: Shmerino dhmosieyma ths ``BRADYNHS'', anaferetai sth bombistikh epiqesh sto Cyxiko. Epishmainetai oti eixan eidopoihqei apo idiwtikoys astynomikoys oi Arxes Asfaleias, poy pragmatopoioysan elegxoys sthn perioxh. Qa hqela na mas peite poies einai oi plhrofories poy exete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den isxyei kati tetoio. Oi Arxes Asfaleias prospaqoyn na kanoyn kata ton kalytero tropo th doyleia toys. Tipota perissotero, apo o,ti exw pei mexri twra, den yparxei gia na anakoinwqei.

BITALHS: Dhladh, den yphrje kapoia plhroforia stis Arxes Asfaleias, oi opoies jekinhsan elegxoys se aytokinhta kai mhxanakia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ti plhrofories lambanoyn oi Arxes Asfaleias. Prepei na sas pw oti den yparxei kapoia ejelijh pros anakoinwsh mexri ayth th stigmh.

KAPPOS: Den einai prwtofanes, alla tis teleytaies hmeres yphrje ena ``mparaz'' dhlwsewn, apo pleyras Agkyras se sxesh me to Kypriako. H diafora einai oti exei prohghqei mia ``kekleismenwn twn qyrwn'' syzhthsh sto toyrkiko koinoboylio. Qa hqela me bash ola ayta to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei ena kalo shmerino sxolio gia ola ayta apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo ths Kyproy k. Papapetroy. Qa synistoysa na to deite. Bebaiws, yparxoyn ta sxolia poy exw kanei kat epanalhch. O kalyteros dromos poy qa mporoyse na akoloyqhsei h Toyrkia, qa htan na dei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths kai na apodexqei tis qeseis poy elhfqhsan sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki.

Sas eyxaristw.


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