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Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-29

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ORQH EPANALHCH

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 29 Martioy 2005

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia paroysiasthke kai syzhthqhke to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs 2004-2007. To Programma qa to paroysiasei se mish wra o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs.

Eisagwgika qa hqela na sas pw ta ejhs: Einai se oloys gnwsto oti h oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqhqhke ta teleytaia xronia den epetrece thn anadeijh twn megalwn dynatothtwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Antiqetws, odhghse sthn epideinwsh twn problhmatwn.

H adiejodh oikonomikh politikh twn etwn toy PASOK den mporei na synexistei. Gia na katorqwsei h ellhnikh oikonomia na anadeijei tis dynatothtes ths, xreiazetai allagh poreias. Allagh poreias poy hdh emfanisthke me ton Proypologismo toy 2005.

Xreiazontai: Prwton, h apokatastash ths dhmosionomikhs isorropias poy diataraxthke ta teleytaia xronia, dhladh, h antimetwpish twn elleimmatwn kai toy xreoys toy Dhmosioy. Deyteron, megales diarqrwtikes metarryqmiseis poy qa antimetwpisoyn to problhma ths xamhlhs antagwnistikothtas.

Perissoteres leptomereies qa dwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, paroysiazontas to Programma.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Ayto kata thn politikh apoch ths kybernhshs @giati ayto ekfrazete eseis kai oxi thn oikonomikh- shmainei oti o,ti eixe yposxeqei o k. Karamanlhs proeklogika exei allajei to klima, exoyn allajei ta dedomena kai ara einai mia nea oikonomikh politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei apo edw kai pera h kybernhsh. Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws qa diapistwsete apo to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs den shmainei ayto. Einai h synexish ths hpias prosarmoghs gia thn opoia exei desmeyqei h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Oi desmeyseis mas poy eixan doqei proeklogika isxyoyn sto akeraio. Einai desmeyseis poy aforoyn kyriws tis asqenesteres oikonomika tajeis kai aytes qa ekplhrwqoyn. Xreiazetai, opws exei hdh dhlwsei o Prwqypoyrgos, mia periodos dietias sth diarkeia ths opoias qa mporesoyme na prosarmostoyme ki emeis sta eyrwpaika dedomena, antimetwpizontas problhmata poy sysswreythkan sthn oikonomia ths xwras apo tis politikes ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Kai ayta ta problhmata qa antimetwpistoyn sthn epomenh dietia. Sas anaferw endeiktika to elleimma poy eftase sto 6,1% kai to opoio sthn epomenh dietia prepei na exei pesei katw apo to 3%, opws problepetai allwste apo to Symfwno Staqerothtas.

BLAXOS: Ti apantate se aytoys poy lene oti arghse h kybernhsh kai o k. Karamanlhs na paroyn metra, enw eprepe na ta exete parei apo thn arxh ths diakybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H oloklhrwmenh apotypwsh toy elleimmatos, sto 6,1%, apo tis yphresies ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, alla kai apo tis antistoixes ellhnikes oi opoies synergasthkan, egine stis arxes aytoy toy mhna. Sto metajy, omws, epeidh eixame gnwsh oti to elleimma einai megalytero apo ayto poy eixe afhsei na katagrafetai h kybernhsh toy k. Shmith -se kamia periptwsh dhladh den htan katw toy 2%, opws elege, alla htan anw toy 5%- sthn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy eixan hdh problefqei metra, ta opoia bohqhsan etsi wste na ejoikonomhqoyn ston Proypologismo toy 2005 arketa xrhmata. To akribes poso poy ejoikonomeitai ston Proypologismo toy 2005 apo tis spatales toy Dhmosioy Tomea yperbainei ta 3,5 dis eyrw. Prokeitai, loipon, gia ena para poly shmantiko poso.

SIDERHS: Ayto to poso poy ejoikonomhqhke einai ej aitias ths elleichs dhmosiwn ependysewn. Apo ekei ejoikonomhqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eikazw oti kati kalytero gnwrizei o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, kaqws kai h oikonomikh epitroph ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Ektos an to krybei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejoikonomhqhke epeidh yphrxe h politikh boylhsh ayths ths kybernhshs na stamathsoyn oi spatales sto Dhmosio Tomea kai na noikokyreytoyn ta dhmosia oikonomika. Exoyn hdh ginei para polles prospaqeies poy odhgoyn se ayth thn terastia ejoikonomhsh twn 3,5 dis eyrw, opws allwste anaferetai kai stis probleceis ths Komision.

SIDERHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, o arxitektonas ths shmerinhs oikonomikhs politikhs, den htan aytos poy kathgoroyse toys prohgoymenoys oti qa ekpoioysan ta ashmika ths oikogeneias; Twra ti qa ekpoihsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto qa htan kalo na to peite se stelexh toy PASOK poy se shmerines dhlwseis toys akoysa na episeioyn kindynoys na ekpoihqei dhmosia perioysia. H kybernhsh ayth sebetai th dhmosia perioysia. H dhmosia perioysia qa prepei na einai sebasth apo oloys, apo oles tis kybernhseis. Na proxwrhsei kapoios se megales diarqrwtikes allages, se pragmatikes idiwtikopoihseis, etsi wste na bohqhsei kai ta esoda toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, alla na bohqhsei kai to idio to Dhmosio na leitoyrghsei me enan teleiws diaforetiko tropo apo o,ti leitoyrgoyse ews twra.

TABOYLARH: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite to perigramma toylaxiston twn newn parembasewn, giati twra milame, xwris na jeroyme oysiastika@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se mish wra qa ta anakoinwsei o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

PAPAGIANNHS: Exw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh: H prwth afora to ean htan oloi oi Ypoyrgoi poy symmeteixan sth shmerinh syskech symfwnoi me ta nea metra kai to deytero exei na kanei me to ejhs: Sto kybernhtiko programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, to proeklogiko, eixe anaferqei epi lejei oti kanenas neos foros den prokeitai na mpei. Shmera, o k. Alogoskoyfhs kata pasan piqanothta qa mas anakoinwsei nea emmesh forologia. Mporeite na moy peite pws aitiologeitai ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, mh biazeste na peite poia qa einai ta metra poy qa anakoinwqoyn. Edw qa eimaste kai ayrio kai meqayrio na ta syzhthsoyme. O k. Alogoskoyfhs qa exei apenanti toy dhmosiografoys gia na apanthsei stis erwthseis toys.

PAPAGIANNHS: Den moy apanthsate sto prwto, ws pros th symfwnia h oxi twn Ypoyrgwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrje apolyth symfwnia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qelw na rwthsw an syzhthqhke kaqoloy o anaptyjiakos nomos, o opoios den proxwra kai den exoyn bgei egkyklioi. Den ginetai kamia ependysh apo jenoys h apo ntopioys ependytes. Aytos o nomos pote qa proxwrhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn hdh proxwrhsei oi diadikasies. Eimaste se poly kalo dromo. Opws gnwrizete, prin apo peripoy ena mhna, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph afierwse eidikh synedriash gia tis deka megalyteres ependyseis poy exoyn kwlysei se ayton ton topo @ shmeiwste parakalw ton ariqmo- panw apo deka xronia. Mia ej aytwn einai sto 1% toy AEP kai epi deka xronia kai pleon exei kwlysei. Ependyseis 20etias, oi opoies exoyn kwlysei se grafeiokratikes diadikasies se ena kratos to opoio einai anapotelesmatiko kai spatalo. Ola ayta, loipon, exoyn apasxolhsei oxi monon ton anaptyjiako nomo, ton opoion o k. Sioyfas efere sth Boylh, alla apasxolhsan kai eidikh synedria ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Eimai bebaios oti syntoma qa deite kai ta apotelesmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Stis perifereies den exoyn paei egkyklioi akoma. Yparxoyn parapona kai thlefwna oti stis perifereies den exoyn paei egkyklioi. O nomos Sioyfa chfisthke apo to Noembrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ereynhsw an isxyei ayto poy lete se kapoia perifereia. Egw sas lew ayta ta opoia gnwrizw gia ton anaptyjiako nomo. Akoysa me poly endiaferon thn parathrhsh sas kai qa exete mia pio sygkekrimenh apanthsh ayrio.

KOYIN: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite pote qa anakoinwsete aytes tis deka ependyseis; Giati an h mia einai 1% toy AEP milame gia mia ependysh anw twn dyo dis eyrw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia thn akribeia, anerxetai se 1,7 dis eyrw.

KOYIN: Pote qa mas anakoinwqoyn ayta; Pote qa gnwstopoihqoyn poies einai aytes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia ependysh, mia prospaqeia gia ependysh poy ginetai panw apo deka xronia ston topo kai den exei karpoforhsei. Erxontai, dhladh, jena kefalaia, qeloyn na ependysoyn, omws oles aytes oi grafeiokratikes kai xronobores oi diadikasies poy isxyan mexri twra, h anapotelesmatikh politikh kai h apwleia, h mh endeijh endiaferontos poy yphrxe, eixan odhghsei megales jenes etaireies na erxontai kai na feygoyn. Ayth h kybernhsh, loipon, jekinhse mia prospaqeia na enisxysei tis ependyseis sthn Ellada, na apegklwbisei ependyseis poy exoyn kwlysei panw apo deka kai dekapente xronia. Einai aparadekto. Se kamia sobarh xwra toy dytikoy h anatolikoy kosmoy den mporei na symbainei kai den prepei na symbainei. Einai anepitrepto.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthseis: H mia einai an paralabate kamenh gh telika h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi xarakthrismoi dikoi sas. To ti paralabame to gnwrizete.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, apla sas lew oti to eipe xqes o k. Antwnaros se ayth thn aiqoysa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas anaferw merika endeiktika stoixeia: Ypoxrewseis pros thn Agrotikh Trapeza panw apo 700 ekatom. eyrw. Tameio Nomikwn 400 ekatom. eyrw. Xreh pros toys promhqeytes twn nosokomeiwn dyo dis eyrw. Terastia xreh pros IKA, OGA kai Organismoys Topikhs Aytodioikhshs panw apo tria dis eyrw. Xreh pros KTEL gia th metafora maqhtwn, xreh pros DEKO, sta Ellhnika Petrelaia, th DEH, ton OTE, ta Taxydromeia, thn EYDAP. Ypoxrewseis pros toys syntajioyxoys (blepete to qema LAFKA). Endeiktika qa sas pw oti ypoektimoyse to PASOK tis dapanes gia to 2004, gegonos poy exoyme anaferei kai alles fores sth Boylh. Gia misqoys kai syntajeis eixe proypologisei kata 800 ekatom. eyrw ligotera tis dapanes. Gia ta olympiaka erga kata 250 ekatom. eyrw ligotera. Gia tis eyrwekloges den yphrxe kamia problech ston Proypologismo toy 2004, kata 130 ekatom. eyrw ligotera, loipon. Gia tis apodoseis apo thn Ellada pros thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kata 400 ekatom. eyrw ligotera. Gia to EKAS kata 120 ekatom. eyrw ligotera. Gia thn periqalch twn Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn kata 140 ekatom. eyrw ligotera. Gia tis anagkes gia epixorhghsh twn Asfalistikwn Tameiwn kata 600 ekatom. eyrw ligotera k.lp., klp. Akomh kai gia tis eirhneytikes apostoles sto ejwteriko kata 100 ekatom. eyrw ligotera. Ayth h xwra, dhladh, eixe ypoxrewseis -hjere h prohgoymenh kybernhsh poies einai oi ypoxrewseis oxi mono pros to ejwteriko, opws sas eipa sto teleytaio paradeigma poy einai kai to mikrotero twn paradeigmatwn poy xrhsimopoihsa apo apoch xrhmatwn kai oikonomikoy megeqoys- sto eswteriko, stoys Ellhnes polites, se Organismoys, se Asfalistika Tameia, stis eyrwekloges @to pio xarakthristiko paradeigma poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws- kai den tis exei katagracei poyqena. Otan, loipon, den katagrafontai aytes oi ypoxrewseis einai apolytws katanohto apo oloys giati ola ayta ta opoia apekryptan odhgoysan se ena elleimma dhqen ths tajews toy 1,8%, otan to elleimma anerxetai sto 6,1%.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas ypenqymizw apla oti to kamenh gh to anefere o anaplhrwths sas, xqes, edw se ayth thn aiqoysa kai to deytero einai epeidh eipate gia ta problhmata@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta stoixeia poy sas edwsa den nomizw oti odhgoyn se symperasmata peri ``anoijiatikhs'' h ``anqhrhs'' ghs.

GKOYTZANHS: Den jerw, kaqenas kanei tis kriseis toy, opws eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan sas rwtw, den jerete.

GKOYTZANHS: Koitajte se ayth thn aiqoysa emeis kanoyme tis erwthseis. Jerete einai san tis amerikanikes tainies. To deytero einai gi` ayto poy eipate gia tis ependyseis kai oti paralabate problhmata kai ependyseis poy den proxwroysan k.lp. H dikh sas prospaqeia pote qa telesforhsei, giati ena xrono meta den exoyn apodwsei kai polla oi dikes prospaqeies, gi` ayto kai anagkazeste na pairnete metra emmeshs forologias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai teleiws diaforetika ta qemata twn ependysewn apo ayto poy anaferate eseis. H dikh mas prospaqeia ginetai, kat` arxas. Einai poly shmantiko sthn politikh na kanei kapoios kati, apo to na to afhnei sthn tyxh toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Apla rwthsa an yparxei kapoia problech gia to pote qa telesforhsei ayth h prospaqeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantws, den qa kanei dekapente kai eikosi xronia gia na janasyzhtaei tote o opoios Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Deka isws;

BLAXOS: Tessera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh biazeste, perimenete kai qa deite.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh proeklogika eixe pei oti qa einai kybernhsh olwn twn Ellhnwn. H politikh omws kai ta metra poy lhfqhkan mexri twra einai se baros twn oikonomika asqenesterwn strwmatwn, enw antiqeta gia toys epixeirhmaties mono forologikes apallages kai anaptyjiaka kinhtra epifylassei. Xarakthristiko einai to paradeigma oti me to forologiko nomo kai thn ptwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn kata 10 posostiaies monades, toys xarise 2,5 dis eyrw gia thn epomenh trietia. Thn idia stigmh ta anazhtei se baros twn oikonomika asqenesterwn. Ayth einai h kybernhsh olwn twn Ellhnwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi foroapallages poy anaferate einai alhqeis. Eimaste perhfanoi poy proxwrhsame s` ayth th foroapallagh, giati den perilambanei kapoies megales epixeirhseis, opws afhsate na ennohqei apo thn erwthsh sas. Sthn Ellada exoyme ekatontades xiliadwn mikromesaies epixeirhseis me eisodhmata ikana na zhsoyn mia oikogeneia. Oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis - oxi mono epeidh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei mia yperdekaeth politikh, me thn opoia prospaqei na tis enisxysei @ apoteloyn to epikentro kai toy dikoy mas endiaferontos ws kybernhsh. Gyrw apo tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis apasxoloyntai ekatontades xiliadwn ergazomenwn. Ara loipon ayto einai ena metro anaptyjiako poy bohqa kai toys idiokthtes twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn alla kai toys ergazomenoys.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ap` oso eimai se qesh proxeira na ektimhsw, dioti den gnwrizw akribws toys deiktes kai oyte einai to reportaz moy, alla se mia thleoptikh ekpomph akoysa ton k. Xristodoylakh na dhlwnei oti toylaxiston ta misa ap` osa eipate exoyn eggrafei ston Proypologismo kai eixe proskomisei kai ta sxetika stoixeia ta opoia edeixne stis kameres. Exete na antapanthsete kati s` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti an eixe stoixeia o k. Xristodoylakhs kai opoiosdhpote allos apo to PASOK, qa ta eixan paroysiasei otan ayta analyqhkan ektenws sth syzhthsh gia ton Proypologismo poy dihrkese polles synedriaseis. Toylaxiston, orismena endeiktika ta exete akoysei polles fores, alla den exw akoysei na yparxei peistikh apanthsh apo thn allh pleyra.

PEPONHS: Moy dinete thn aisqhsh san na analabate xqes thn kybernhsh kai brhkate mia kakh katastash sthn oikonomia kai shmera pairnete kapoia metra. Omws phrate perysi thn kybernhsh. Perase enas xronos. Gia ton ena xrono ths dikhs sas diaxeirishs qa kanete kapoion apologismo, ton opoion den exoyme dei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws den hsastan apo thn arxh edw. Milhsa gia to ti exei problefqei ston proypologismo toy 2005.

PEPONHS: Allo ti exei problefqei. Rwtw gia to 2004 poy diaxeiristhkate thn oikonomia. Ayto qelw na moy peite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An exete thn kalosynh qa parakaloysa oi opoies diakopes na mh ginontai stis apanthseis, efoson qelete na yparxei oloklhrwmenh apanthsh. Sas dinw pantote thn eykairia na rwtate kai deyterh kai trith fora. Den afairesa to logo apo kanenan kai an exete thn kalosynh mh moy afaireite to logo. An h analytikh anafora poy ekana prohgoymenws sta 3,5 dis eyrw poy ejoikonomoyntai apo ton proypologismo toy 2005 apo spatales sas fainetai ashmanth, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den einai kaqoloy ashmanth. Einai poly shmantikh. Ta problhmata poy antimetwpisthkan apo ton Ioynio kiolas me thn ypoqesh toy LAFKA einai mia poly shmantikh syneisfora sto syntajioyxo me xamhla eisodhmata. Apo 1-5% ayjhqhke h syntajh twn Ellhnwn syntajioyxwn apo ton perasmeno Ioynio, molis ligoys mhnes apo tote poy anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras h Nea Dhmokratia. Opws kai polla alla poy eginan to 2004 kai ginontai kai to 2005 kai ta opoia oydeis mporei na apajiwsei. H ryqmish twn panwtokiwn den egine epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias; To jexasame; Den afora ena megalo ariqmo sympolitwn mas kai kyriws toys agrotes, oi opoioi eplhttonto epi seira etwn apo ta panwtokia kai zhtoysan apegnwsmena mia ryqmish apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK kai den thn eblepan; H dieyqethsh toy problhmatos twn symbasioyxwn den einai ena problhma poy elyse h Nea Dhmokratia otan epi xronia paremeine alyto; H taxeia katabolh twn agrotikwn enisxysewn, otan perimenan oi agrotes dyo kai tria xronia, den einai ena problhma poy elyse h Nea Dhmokratia; Qelete na sas diabasw mia oloklhrh lista; Eixa thn eykairia me aformh ton ena xrono diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias na synomilhsw me polloys apo sas, opws kai polloi Ypoyrgoi. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh poy edwse sthn Enwsh Antapokritwn Jenoy Typoy, eixe thn eykairia na anaferei polla apo ta osa eginan ston ena xrono. Den eipe kaneis oti ola qa ginoyn se ena xrono, oyte bebaiws oti ola lynontai se ena xrono. Epishs kaneis den eipe oti einai eyxaristhmenos me to na mh dinei perissoteres ayjhseis. Den pisteyw oti yparxei opoiadhpote kybernhsh, se opoiodhpote meros toy kosmoy, me opoiadhpote ideologikh apoxrwsh h prosanatolismo poy na mh qelei na dwsei perissotera xrhmata eite stoys ergazomenoys, eite stoys syntajioyxoys, eite stis epixeirhseis gia na anaptyxqoyn perissotero. Ayta antexei h dikh mas oikonomia, giati eftase ekei meta apo laqh pollwn etwn. Ti qa legate se enan eyrwpaio etairo; Oti exoyme elleimma 1,8% otan hdh h Komision eixe anakalycei kai eftase sto telos na mas dwsei elleimma 6,1% toy AEP; Me poio tropo qa mas antimetwpizan oi eyrwpaioi etairoi mas an synexizame na toys koroideyoyme; Eixan hdh arxisei na to anakalyptoyn. Prepei loipon na dexqei kanenas oti ston ena xrono poy perase, eginan hdh kapoia apo ayta gia ta opoia eixe desmeytei h Nea Dhmokratia. Einai mia sobarh politikh apofash na pei h kybernhsh shmera oti xreiazetai dyo xronia sth diarkeia twn opoiwn qa prosarmostoyme se ayta poy exoyme ypogracei, gia na timhsoyme thn ypografh mas, edw kai polla xronia ws xwra melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Gia na mas sebontai perissotero sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia na niwqei o kaqe Ellhnas poliths oti zei se mia xwra poy toy dinei eykairies.

BLAXOS: Ap` oti exw katalabei ayto gia to opoio kathgoreitai h kybernhsh einai oti ayto ton ena xrono den frontise na parei metra gia na yparjei anaptyjh, ara na meiwqei h anergia, den frontise na meiwqei h akribeia h opoia megalwnei kai den frontise na parei metra poy na deixnoyn oti kati allazei sthn Ellada. To na parete metra gia toys syntajioyxoys h na dwsete to LAFKA h tis epixorhghseis nwritera stoys agrotes, den shmainei tipota. To zhtoymeno einai na yparjei mia anaptyjh, na brei o kosmos doyleia. Kai ayto den ginetai. Oles oi epixeirhseis feygoyn. Pane sth Boylgaria poy exei mikroterh forologikh epibarynsh h se alla krath. Ayth th stigmh h Ellada menei me anergoys. Ayto einai to kathgorhthrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti kaqe erwthsh ginetai me kalopisth diaqesh kritikhs kai oxi eis kathgorian ths kybernhshs. Ekeino omws poy exw na sas pw einai to oti meiwqhkan oi forologikoi syntelestes, apotelei mia bohqeia sto na arxisei na anaptyssetai kalytera h mikromesaia kai h megalyterh epixeirhsh. Ara na dhmioyrghqoyn kai nees qeseis ergasias. H diarqrwtikh allagh h opoia proxwra apo pleyras kybernhsews, dhladh h epektash toy wrarioy, einai mia shmantikh allagh h opoia epishs qa dhmioyrghsei nees qeseis ergasias. Ginontai prospaqeies poy den einai eykoles, opws h meiwsh ths grafeiokratias. Jerete posa eggrafa xreiazotan -ta exei pei ayta o k. Sioyfas polles fores ton teleytaio kairo- mia nea epixeirhsh gia na dhmioyrghqei; Dekades eggrafa. Sth Nea Yorkh gia paradeigma, kapoios mporei na dhmioyrghsei mia epixeirhsh se 24 wres. Edw loipon sthn Ellada, mhnes epi mhnwn, eggrafa epi eggrafwn, se mia grafeiokratia poy synexizei se kapoio baqmo na yparxei gia na epibebaiwnei ton eayto ths h opoia dhmosia dioikhsh -den einai exqros mas h dhmosia dioikhsh, oloi zoyme s` ayto to kratos- alla oysiastika kai gia na leitoyrgei ws troxopedh sthn anaptyjh. Exete apolyto dikio oti ola ayta leitoyrgoyn ws troxopedh sthn anaptyjh. H meiwsh loipon ths grafeiokratias bohqaei sto na arxisoyn kapoies anaptyjiakes prwtoboylies, opws ta programmata poy eginan gia nees gynaikes epixeirhmaties. Shmantikos ariqmos newn gynaikwn epixeirhmatiwn me ayth thn kybernhsh pairnoyn kapoia programmata gia n` arxisoyn mia nea zwh. Molis xqes parakoloyqhsate sta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, ton tropo me ton opoio didontai ta eisithria koinwnikoy toyrismoy h alles tetoies koinwnikes paroxes, giati einai kai merika zhthmata sebasmoy ths ajioprepeias toy Ellhna polith. Qymaste oti prin erqei h Nea Dhmokratia sthn kybernhsh oi syntajioyxoi perimenan apo tis treis ta jhmerwmata stoys dromoys kai en synexeia se diaforoys orofoys twn antistoixwn yphresiwn ths Ergatikhs Estias gia na paroyn ena eisithrio Koinwnikoy Toyrismoy. Etsi sebotan to ellhniko dhmosio ton Ellhna polith poy doylece trianta h saranta xronia kai zhtoyse ena eisithrio Koinwnikoy Toyrismoy gi` ayton kai th syzygo toy h gi` aythn kai to syzygo ths; Yparxoyn loipon pragmata poy ginontai. Den mporei n` allajoyn ola me mias. Makari na mporoysan me ena qayma.

GALIATSATOS: Sth syzhthsh poy egine sthn kybernhtikh epitroph den ekfrasthke kamia epifylajh gia tis plhqwristikes pistwseis twn ayjhsewn twn forwn kai epipleon den ekfrasthke kamia epifylajh gia to endexomenws anaptyjiako xarakthra sygkekrimenwn metrwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn lhfqei ypoch oles oi epifylajeis, oi proypoqeseis kai ta senaria. Giati otan kaneis pairnei mia apofash eite sthn politikh eite sthn oikonomia -giati einai synafh ta dyo pedia- prepei na labei ypoch toy oles ekeines tis parametroys oi opoies gnwrizoyme oti mporei na prokycoyn ws aporroia kapoiwn problecewn. Meta apo pollh skech to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs exei katalhjei sta metra ta opoia qa akoysete shmera gia thn epomenh dietia. Einai metra poy pisteyoyme oti qa bohqhsoyn na allajei drastika to topio se dyo xronia kai den qa dhmioyrghsei peraiterw problhmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ti htan ekeino poy ypoxrewse thn kybernhsh na labei kai prosqeta metra kai malista foromphxtikoy xarakthra treis mhnes molis meta thn chfish toy proypologismoy. Yphrje kapoio ektakto gegonos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws jerete oti einai ``foromphxtikoy'' xarakthra ta metra, otan den exoyn anakoinwqei akomh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me ayta poy akoygontai efoson den ta jeroyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas qa diafwnhsoyme s` ayto poy lete. Egw den apodexomai th lejh ``foromphxtika''.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pairnw pisw th lejh kai rwtw eyqews ti htan ekeino poy ypoxrewse thn kybernhsh treis mhnes meta thn chfish toy proypologismoy na katafygei sth lhch prosqetwn metrwn, an yphrje kapoio ektakto gegonos oikonomikoy xarakthra h an ayto telika synista mia dhmosia paradoxh pws oi prohgoymenes probleceis, opws apotypwqhkan ston proypologismo htan lanqasmenes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw oti den ypotimate toys prohgoymenoys synadelfoys sas poy rwthsan to idio pragma me allo tropo. Exw hdh apanthsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den ypotimw kanenan alla den nomizw oti phra apanthsh gi` ayto ekana thn erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

SARANTAKOS: Qelw na qesw dyo erwthmata. Perigracate ki eseis -to exei kanei kai o Prwqypoyrgos palaiotera kai oloi oi ypoyrgoi- thn oikonomia me melana xrwmata, en pash periptwsei, se mia poly asxhmh katastash. O anaplhrwths sas pro kairoy, eixe pei oti o Prwqypoyrgos otan miloyse sth DEQ sthn prwth toy emfanish, gia ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, den hjere thn plhrh diastash twn problhmatwn. To prwto moy erwthma einai: Hjere telika h kybernhsh thn plhrh diastash kai ean oxi, pote plhroforhqhke ta pragmatika problhmata; Kai to deytero erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Otan, kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy, rwtoysame ton k. Karamanlh -kai nyn ypoyrgoys- gia to pws qa ylopoihsoyn tis proeklogikes desmeyseis toys, mas elegan oti yparxei ena kondyli ycoys 10 dis eyrw, to opoio qa diasfalistei apo thn katapolemhsh ths adiafaneias. Pws paei ayth h prospaqeia kai ean ta xrhmata ta opoia exete diasfalisei den kalyptoyn tis anagkes gia th beltiwsh ths poiothtas zwhs twn Ellhnwn politwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h prospaqeia paei poly kala. Opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, hdh apo ton prwto xrono milame gia 3,5 dis eyrw, poy einai poly shmantiko poso. Qa eiste se qesh na to pistopoihsete ki eseis sto telos toy 2005 kai me to neo proypologismo. Sto prwto sas erwthma qelw na pw oti h anafora poy eixe ginei tote kai to erwthma poy eixe ypoblhqei, aforoyse to elleimma, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy. Kai h apanthsh htan gia to elleimma. Allwste kai shmera sas eipa pote oloklhrwqhkan oi diadikasies gia thn apotypwsh toy posostoy toy elleimmatos sto 6,1 %.

GKOYTZANHS: Hqela na pw oti oi plhrofories tis opoies emeis epikaloymaste exoyn diarreysei apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Ean den alhqeyoyn diaceyste tes. Alla, mexri tote emeis panw se aytes basizomaste gia na kanoyme mia syzhthsh edw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean me parakoloyqoysate, eidate oti -paroti den synhqizw na sas diakoptw- antedrasa se enan xarakthrismo. Den nomizw oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias exei milhsei gia ``foromphxtika metra''.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi bebaia. Aytos einai dikos mas xarakthrismos, ennoeitai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To katalaba, gi ayto kai diekoca.

XIWTHS: Kat` arxas, apariqmhsate mia seira apo metra, mia seira apo kondylia, ta opoia, opws eipate, apekryce h prohgoymenh kybernhsh h den proypologise.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixe ypoektimhsei, opws eipa, gia thn akribeia.

XIWTHS: Exete mia ektimhsh gia to synolo twn dapanwn aytwn; Giati mas apariqmhsate sporadika metra@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporw na th zhthsw apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai na thn exete sygkentrwtika.

XIWTHS: Wraia. To deytero erwthma: Epeidh egw dexomai oti den gnwrizoyme ta metra poy qa anakoinwsei o ypoyrgos Oikonomias, isxyei h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qa epiblhqoyn neoi foroi h ayto anatrepetai shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei dhlwsei oti qa metakylistoyn, kata to dynaton, ligotera barh stis asqenesteres tajeis. Ayto isxyei apolyta.

XIWTHS: Ayto to dhlwse thn teleytaia fora sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, alla mexri tote o Prwqypoyrgos diabebaiwne oti den qa epiblhqoyn neoi foroi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati den perimenete; Se ligh wra qa exete thn apanthsh apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh.

XIWTHS: Ma nomizw oti eseis gnwrizete ean qa epiblhqoyn h oxi neoi foroi.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporeite na moy peite ean einai h oxi omologia apotyxias ths oikonomikhs politikhs to gegonos oti den petyxan oi stoxeyseis gia tis apokratikopoihseis megalwn problhmatikwn DEKO, opws to Taxydromiko Tamieythrio kai alles, gia na beltiwsete ta esoda sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti egine prospaqeia gia na apokratikopoihqei, na idiwtikopoihqei h Olympiakh Aeroporia, edw kai polla xronia kai h opoia den exei oloklhrwqei. Eimaste, omws, se ena dromo poy den mporei na dhlwsei kaneis apaisiodojos. Gnwrizete oti synexizoyme ayth thn prospaqeia. Pisteyw oti se syntomo xroniko diasthma, o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Liaphs qa einai se qesh na sas kanei anakoinwseis. Kata ta loipa den symmerizomai ton problhmatismo sas h thn apaisiodojh proseggish oti den exei petyxei tipota. Den exei teleiwsei tipota. @O,ti arxizei prepei kaneis me gnwmona to eqniko symferon na to synexisei kai oxi opws-opws, -``ante-ante'' opws lene sth dikh moy patrida- na proxwrhsei se apokratikopoihseis.

POYLIDOY: O k. Skandalakhs xqes eide ton k. Xrysoxoidh. Shmera blepei ton k. Alabano kai thn k. Paparhga. Einai profanes oti zhta diakommatikh synainesh. Se poio qema; Mporeite na mas peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Skandalakhs opws gnwrizete synanthqhke me toys ekproswpoys twn kommatwn. Syzhthse mazi toys to qema poy exei anakycei sto Patriarxeio twn Ierosolymwn. Gnwrizete oti me apofash toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn eixe apostalei epitroph empeirognwmonwn gia na elegjei ta oikonomika toy Patriarxeioy. To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa probei stis sxetikes anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Ti teleytaies hmeres diabazete, ypociazomai, diabazoyme ki emeis tis dhlwseis toy k. Paylopoyloy gia ton basiko metoxo. Oi dhlwseis aytes toy k. Paylopoyloy einai mesa sto plaisio poy exei kaqorisei o Prwqypoyrgos, meta tis ejelijeis stis Bryjelles h einai ektos plaisioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ``basikos metoxos'' yfistatai, opws gnwrizete. Ekkremei mia apanthsh apo pleyras ellhnikhs kybernhshs, entos toy plaisioy twn 15 hmerwn. Ews otoy apostalei ayth h apanthsh, poy qa doqei epishs kai sth dhmosiothta, den qa apanthsw se kanena erwthma.

BLAXOS: Oyte se ayto; Egw den zhtw na apanthsete se kati epi ths oysias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmera ekana mia safh topoqethsh. Gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy qa syzhthsoyme -eseis mporeite na rwtate opote qelete- se o,ti me afora thn hmera poy qa doqei h apanthtikh epistolh.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla epeidh yparxoyn diafores plhrofories, tis opoies ki eseis gnwrizete kai akoyte sta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis, oti yparxei dysareskeia sthn kybernhsh gia ton k. Paylopoylo kai ola ayta, nomizw oti san ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, prepei na mas peite ean yparxei dysareskeia gia ton k. Paylopoylo gi ayta poy leei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kanenos eidoys dysareskeia gia ton k. Paylopoylo kai to ergo toy. O k. Paylopoylos ergazetai sto plaisio ths politikhs thn opoia exei xarajei h Nea Dhmokratia apo tote poy htan antipoliteysh. Eidika to qema poy anafereste, einai ena meizon zhthma politikoy endiaferontos, oxi mono gia thn kybernhsh, alla kai gia toys polites, giati einai ena qema poy afora th diafaneia sta dhmosia ths xwras. Einai loipon sth swsth kateyqynsh o,ti exei ginei mexri twra apo thn kybernhsh kai ta stelexh ths gia thn katapolemhsh ths adiafaneias. Einai enas stoxos, poy opws sas exw pei, den allazei. Eidika gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy exoyn akoystei kai grafei para polla. H epomenh fora poy egw qa milhsw gi ayto to qema, qa einai otan dwsoyme thn epistolh sthn Komision giati ews tote den qa yparxei kapoio kainoyrgio stoixeio, plhn twn fhmwn poy blepw na anakyklwnontai apo mera se mera. Tote na janasyzhthsoyme, eyxaristws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes o k. Kwnstantopoylos kathggeile sth Boylh thn yparjh parakratikoy mhxanismoy me aformh ta symbainonta kai me prwtagwnistes ton Babylh kai alla proswpa, kaqws epishs zhthse na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta ta onomata twn rasoforwn poy oploforoyn kai na kleisei h ``Xrysophgh''. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai tria diaforetika qemata. Oson afora to teleytaio qema poy eipate: Antilambaneste pws otan se mia eynomoymenh politeia yparxoyn swmateia, ta opoia leitoyrgoyn me nomimo tropo, h kybernhsh den exei na pei tipota epi toy tropoy leitoyrgias toys, efoson einai ola nomima. Ta alla dyo qemata poy anaferate einai zhthmata poy aptontai mias politikhs topoqethshs apo mia proswpikothta ths Aristeras, opws einai o k. Kwnstantopoylos. H ypoqesh Babylh, opws gnwrizete, einai hdh sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs. Exoyme empistosynh oti h Dikaiosynh qa thn ferei eis peras, apantwntas sta erwthmata ekeina poy exoyn egerqei kai einai polla ton teleytaio kairo.

TAKHS: O k. Kwnstantopoylos zhthse apo ton k. Papalhgoyra na kleisei h ``Xrysophgh'' me nomimes kai dhmokratikes diadikasies. Mhpws jerete eseis me poies nomimes kai dhmokratikes diadikasies mporei na kleisei h ``Xrysophgh'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto qema toy na doqoyn ta onomata twn rasoforwn poy oploforoyn, ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia diadikasia sth Boylh. H diadikasia ayth mporei na thrhqei. Den einai, dhladh, ektos koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy, ayto to opoio rwtate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta thn arnhsh toy Patriarxh Ierosolymwn na dwsei ta stoixeia sthn epitroph poy esteile to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na sthrizei ton k. Eirhnaio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan, omologoymenws, mia arnhtikh ekplhjh ayto to opoio synebh. Qa moy epitrecete na meinw se ayto kai na sas pw oti qa yparjei anakoinwsh apo to YPEJ h entos ths hmeras h ayrio.

BLAXOS: Poio einai arnhtikh ekplhjh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti yphrjan problhmata synergasias, en genei -egw den omilw proswpika gia ton Patriarxh- me yphresies toy Patriarxeioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa mas doqei kai to porisma twn empeirognwmonwn poy phgan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

PAPAGIANNHS: Afhsate aixmes, an katalaba kala, enantion toy Patriarxh Ierosolymwn. Den mas afora ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mas afora, giati profanws den akoysate.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mporeite na epanalabete ayto poy eipate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Olh h ypoloiph aiqoysa akoyse oti ayto poy eipa den afora proswpika ton Patriarxh, alla tis yphresies.

PAPAGIANNHS: Poly wraia. Mporeite na mas peite kati, to opoio den mas exei ejhghsei kanenas kybernhtikos paragontas; Sthn periptwsh poy yparjei problhma, mporei h kybernhsh na eggyhqei ton ellhnorqodojo xarakthra toy Patriarxeioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na ypeiselqw se eikasies. Den to exw kanei pote. Stoxos einai na doqoyn apanthseis se erwthmata poy exoyn egerqei to teleytaio diasthma kai ta opoia parakoloyqei olh h ellhnikh koinwnia me poly megalo endiaferon. H ellhnikothta toy Patriarxeioy einai kati to opoio ofeiloyme oloi, h kybernhsh, h ellhnikh Politeia, na prostateysoyme, prwtistws kai diaxronika.

BLAXOS: Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti mia paraithsh toy k. Eirhnaioy qa hremoyse ta pragmata; Qa eferne to klima poy oloi zhtame na yparjei sta Ierosolyma sth swsth toy bash kai na diafylajei thn ellhnikothta toy Patriarxeioy h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn apanthsw sto erwthma. H kybernhsh ofeilei, opws gnwrizete, na elegjei ta oikonomika. Gi` ayto to logo kai thn epitroph. To epomeno bhma einai h anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Epomenws, as mhn pame se erwthmata poy emperiexoyn sperma eikasias, giati den qa hqela na apanthsw se kanena apo ayta.

SIDERHS: Exei dikaiwma h kybernhsh na elegjei ta oikonomika toy Patriarxeioy; To Patriarxeio, ej oswn gnwrizoyme, ypagetai sto iordaniko Dikaio kai einai se israhlino edafos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, gia na systaqei epitroph apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, h opoia metebh ekei kai ekane ton apaitoymeno elegxo, exei to nomimo dikaiwma. Yparxoyn diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai epi seira etwn.

SARANTAKOS: Qelw na epistrecw sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy, giati moy ekane entypwsh h dhlwsh sas oti den qa topoqethqeite kaqoloy, an kai kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos poy symmeteixate kai sth syntajh toy sygkekrimenoy nomoy@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejhghsa to giati, omws. Peite kai giati to eipa, an exete thn kalosynh.

SARANTAKOS: Oxi. Qelw na rwthsw dieykrinistika ep` aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An exete thn kalosynh, peite to gia na einai oloklhrwmenh h apoch. Giati, etsi opws to lete, emfanizetai enas kaq` ylhn armodios ypoyrgos, opws orqws eipate, na arneitai na parei meros se ena qema poy ton afora, enw den einai aytos o stoxos. Epomenws h den to dieykrinisa egw h den to katalabate eseis. Eipa, loipon, oti h epomenh dhmosia topoqethsh ths kybernhshs qa einai h apanthsh poy qa doqei sth dhmosiothta. Ews tote, tonisa -kai malista to tonisa dyo fores- oti den qa milhsw gia diafores fhmes, eikasies, plhrofories h dhqen plhrofories poy akoygontai apo diafora MME.

SARANTAKOS: Yparxei mia diadikasia se ejelijh. Mporei na exoyn ginei kapoies syskeceis dikes sas, me ton k. Paylopoylo, me ton k. Papalhgoyra. Gi` ayta den qewreite oti prepei na enhmerwsete ton ellhniko lao mesw hmwn kai gia to poy brisketai ayth h diadikasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy endiaferei ton ellhniko lao einai na kanei h kybernhsh th doyleia ths. Kai en prokeimenw, h kybernhsh qa kanei th doyleia ths, xwris malista na yparxei kanenos eidoys ypoxrewsh. H kybernhsh, opws edwse sth dhmosiothta thn epistolh toy armodioy Epitroph k. Mak Kribi, etsi qa dwsei kai th dikh ths apanthsh sth dhmosiothta. Me ayto ton tropo nomizw oti qa ikanopoihqoyn ola ta erwthmata sas.

BLAXOS: Mas lete oti kapoioi armodioi den ekanan th doyleia toys swsta, wste na ftasoyme se ayto to apotelesma peri basikoy metoxoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

BLAXOS: Dioti, yparxei mia diadikasia h opoia exei paei pisw. Prepei na dwsete apanthsh. Ayto shmainei oti kapoioi poy einai konta ston Prwqypoyrgo kai oi opoioi eixan analabei ayto to rolo, dhladh na feroyn se peras to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, den ekanan swsta th doyleia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omologw oti den mporw na katalabw th lektikh yperbash poy kanete. Ektos an einai kai nohmatikh yperbash poy den prokeitai na thn katalabw pote.

BLAXOS: Ma, ek twn pragmatwn prokyptei oti den ekanan kala th doyleia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia diadikasia thn opoia gnwrizete. Se liges hmeres qa prepei na apanthsoyme. Den gnwrizw apo poy bgalate to symperasma oti kapoioi den ekanan kala th doyleia toys.

BLAXOS: Afoy h kybernhsh exei mpei se mia diadikasia na apanta kai na apologeitai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia ena nomo poy kapoioi anelaban na ton feroyn se peras kai telika fainetai oti yparxoyn problhmata. Ayto shmainei oti kapoioi den ekanan swsta th doyleia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi diadikasies sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, opws gnwrizete, einai diarkes, opoy synainetika prospaqoyn ta krath na apofasisoyn koina pragmata. Sth diadikasia ayth to kaqe kratos-melos, gia para polla qemata, sthn kaqhmerinothta toy, exei diaforetikes apoceis, antiparaqeseis, sygkroyseis, kroyseis, me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, thn Komision kai ta armodia organa. Den einai kati parajeno ayto poy symbainei. Giati to blepete ws kati parajeno; As doyme th logikh me thn opoia syzhthqhke h ypoqesh ths entajhs ths Toyrkias. Kapoia krath elegan ``oxi'', kapoia elegan ``nai'', kapoia elegan ``mexri tote na chfistei, na ypografei to prwtokollo'' kai kapoioi elegan ``oti tote, alla argotera''. Einai diadikasies sthn kaqhmerinothta ths Eyrwpaikh Enwshs, edw kai dekaeties. Alimono, dhladh, an ena kratos-melos qa prepei na apodexetai apolytws ws qesfato to kaqe ti poy ekpempetai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, opws kai bebaiws h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa prepei na apodexetai ws qesfato to kaqe ti poy ekpempetai apo ena kratos-melos.

XIWTHS: H apofash sas na mhn kanete alla sxolia gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy mexri na apostalei h epistolh sas sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai gia na pacei olh ayth h parafilologia. Gia kanena allo logo.

XIWTHS: Einai proswpikh sas apofash h afora ola ta melh poy xeirizontai ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

XIWTHS: Einai, wstoso, shmerinh h apofash sas ayth h exei lhfqei edw kai hmeres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai shmerinh. Mhn caxnete na breite kati periergo h ypopto. Se liges hmeres qa dwsoyme sth dhmosiothta thn epistolh. Kaqe hmera diabazw h akoyw fhmes, plhrofories h dhqen plhrofories gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Tis xarakthrizw opws tis xarakthrisa prin kai opws tis eixa xarakthrisei kapoia stigmh prosfata, otan edwsa sth dhmosiothta grapth anakoinwsh. As stamathsei, loipon, ayth h istoria kai as pame sto epomeno bhma, poy einai to pragmatiko bhma politikhs. To pragmatiko bhma politikhs den einai oles aytes oi fhmologoymenes taseis, diastaseis, antistaseis, paraithseis k.o.k., alla einai h apostolh mias epistolhs me nomikh kai politikh epixeirhmatologia. Synepws, ayto poy qa sas pw einai oti thn epomenh fora poy qa syzhthsoyme gia to qema ayto qa einai me th dhmosiopoihsh ths epistolhs. Eseis, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, mporeite na rwtate o,ti qelete.

XIWTHS: Dieykrinizw k. Ekproswpe ean einai shmerinh apofash, dioti eseis pragmati apo thn hmera poy epistrecate apo tis Bryjelles den exete probei se opoiadhpote sxolia. Alloi, omws, ypoyrgoi poy xeirizontai ayth thn ypoqesh dinoyn toylaxiston mia synenteyjh thn hmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den me parakoloyqeite. Kai se synenteyjeis emfanisthka kai dhlwseis exw kanei, toso se ayth thn aiqoysa, oso kai se thleoptiko staqmo.

GALIATSATOS: Epi toy idioy qematos, gia na paw thn erwthsh toy synadelfoy ligo makrytera: To oti den qa kanete kamia dhlwsh gia to basiko metoxo, apofasisthke shmera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Sas eipa kai toys logoys gia toys opoioys ginetai ayto. Epomenws, mh dinete megalyterh diastash apo ayth poy pragmatika exei.

GALIATSATOS: Ara, einai mono dikh sas apofash, den desmeyei toys alloys ypoyrgoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, fysika kai den desmeyei. Sas eipa oti egw den qa apanthsw se allh erwthsh se ayto to xwro, dioti qewrw oti h fhmologia -to lew gia tetarth fora- kai to lew shmera giati antilambanomai to ti einai ekeino to opoio mporei na akoysw h mporei na diabasw ayrio. Den exei kamia allh diastash, para monon ayth poy sas eipa. Sas to lew poly anoikta kai jekaqara. Apo to na arxisoyme na syzhtame -kai hdh poly syzhthsame- oti h fhmh tade isxyei h mia h h allh plhroforia isxyei h den isxyei, sas lew: Mhn paideyeste, mhn koyrazeste. Ayto poy isxyei apo edw kai pera, einai mia apanthtikh epistolh tis epomenes hmeres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa eiste enas ek twn syntaktwn ths apanthtikhs epistolhs sthn Komision;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Paylopoylos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika.

Sas eyxaristw.


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