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Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-12

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA EPIKOINWNIAS

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 12 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 34848800

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 2006

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei syneidhtopoihsei to adiejodo sto opoio exei perielqei h Paideia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, exei topoqethqei polles fores gia to qema. Qa epanalabw gia mia akomh fora, zhtwntas apo toys daskaloys na epistrecoyn - giati fantazomai oti anafereste sto qema twn daskalwn  sta sxoleia. Exoyme hdh pei gia tis dynatothtes toy Proypologismoy. Oti dhladh apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2007 qa prosteqei sto misqo twn daskalwn to poso twn 17,5 eyrw, apo thn 1h Ioylioy toy 2007 ta 17,5 eyrw qa ginoyn 35 eyrw kaqe mhna, apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2008 qa ginei 52,5 eyrw h ayjhsh kaqe mhna, apo thn 1h Ioylioy 2008 qa einai 70 eyrw h ayjhsh kaqe mhna, apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy 2009 qa einai 87,5 eyrw h ayjhsh kaqe mhna kai apo thn 1h Ioynioy 2009 qa einai 105 eyrw to mhna. Ayth einai h dynatothta ths oikonomias. Thn exoyme pei polles fores, thn exoyme pei kai stoys daskaloys. Thn exei pei h Ypoyrgos Paideias se allepallhles synanthseis poy exoyn ginei. Kai gia mia akomh fora janalew: Epeidh oi dynatothtes ths oikonomias einai aytes kai den exei na kanei me tipota diaforetiko, parakalw toys daskaloys na skeftoyn kai pali kai na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia, wste oi maqhtes na mh xasoyn alla maqhmata.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh ``de masaei''. Aytoi giati na ``mashsoyn'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa gia mia akomh fora oti oi daskaloi eixan dikio sto na zhthsoyn ayto gia to opoio h kybernhsh desmeythke na toys dwsei. Ayto einai swsto. Den to amfisbhtei kaneis. H kybernhsh desmeythke oti qa dwsei stoys daskaloys to poso twn 105 eyrw ton mhna ws ayjhsh, ektos ths ayjhshs  ennoeitai  h opoia phgainei se oloys toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Kai desmeythke proeklogika. H oikonomia ths xwras antexei ayth th diadikasia. Sas eipa kai tis proalles oti einai ston proypologismo 215 ekatommyria eyrw to xrono epipleon.

SIDERHS: To ``de masaei'' einai wraia ekfrash gia Ypoyrgo Paideias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero se ayto poy eipa.

BLAXOS: Oi boyleytes, tis ayjhseis poy chfizoyn gia toys eaytoys toys, tis pairnoyn me ayto ton tropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi ayjhseis oi opoies didontai stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys einai ayjhseis poy didontai meta apo thn ethsia diapragmateysh, thn ethsia syzhthsh, tis dynatothtes poy exei o proypologismos. Einai h prwth fora poy desmeyetai mia kybernhsh se baqos triwn etwn, me sygkekrimeno poso, gia ayjhseis oi opoies einai toy eidoys poy sas eipa kai oi opoies se sygkrish me oloys toys alloys dhmosioys ypallhloys einai poly megalyteres.

BLAXOS: Alla, den yparxei prohgoymeno sthn istoria toy koinoboyleytismoy, boyleytes na pairnoyn tis ayjhseis poy oi idioi apofasizoyn gia toys eaytoys toys se eji ejamhniaies doseis, tis pairnoyn monokopania.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai h prwth fora opoy mia kybernhsh desmeyetai enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy, gia sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma me ayjhsh xrhmatwn, tetoia poy se kamia allh periptwsh den didetai se kanenan allo ergazomeno toy dhmosioy tomea, oyte kai toy idiwtikoy tomea.

GKOYTZANHS: ``Eiste baqia nyxtwmenos ean pisteyete oti oi neoi anqrwpoi shmera kapelwnontai apo kommata h apo organwseis''. Einai Kwstas Karamanlhs to 1999 pros ton k. Shmith gia to idio qema twn tote kinhtopoihsewn. Shmera oi maqhtes ``kapelwnontai'' h ypokinoyntai apo kommata h organwseis, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai akribws ayto to opoio sas elega prin apo liges hmeres sto press room, oti dhladh kaneis den mporei na ``kapelwsei'' h na ypokinhsei maqhtes. Qa prepei, opws sas eipa kai prin apo liges hmeres edw, na afeqoyn eleyqeroi oi maqhtes na apofasisoyn. Kai eipa xarakthristika proxqes: As mhn kleidwnoyn kapoioi me loyketa kai alysides ta sxoleia gia na doyme, ean einai pleiochfia aytoi poy qeloyn na mpoyn kai na kanoyn maqhma kai na mh xanoyn ta maqhmata toys h an einai meiochfia.

SIDERHS: Den mas eixate pei oti ypokinoyntai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To idio pragma leme. Lew oti kanenas den dikaioytai na ``kapelwsei'' toys maqhtes. Kaneis den mporei na to kanei. An kapoioi prospaqoyn, to kanoyn sthnontas, opws eipa kai tis proalles, sta eji metra to mellon 15xronwn paidiwn. Kai kalesa, poly apla, legontas to: As afhsoyme na doyme poioi einai ekeinoi oi maqhtes poy qeloyn h poy den qeloyn na kanoyn maqhma, gia na doyme an einai pleiochfia h meiochfia.

KORAH: Se kaqe sxoleio kanoyn katalhch, enas stoys dyo kaqhghtes, tesseris  pente oikodomoi kai pente- eji maqhtes. Ayto pisteyei h kybernhsh; Giati ayto akribws eipe h Ypoyrgos Paideias xqes kai sth synexeia, se non paper toy ypoyrgeioy, oi oikodomoi eginan ejwsxolikoi paragontes. Einai se ayth th logikh h kybernhsh; Oti dhladh brisketai to KKE apo pisw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis prin apo liga deyterolepta eipa thn apoch ths kybernhshs thn opoia exw janapei kai me aformh thn erwthsh poy ekane o synadelfos sas o k. Blaxos prin apo liges hmeres.

BLAXOS: Epeidh proxqes sthn erwthsh moy, poioi ypodaylizoyn tis katalhceis, eixate pei onomastika ton k. Alabano. H kanw laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabaste to briefing gia na deite an kanete laqos. Ti me rwtate; Ws epibebaiwsh toy ti sas eipa;

BLAXOS: Epeidh shmera lete oti den exete pei pote oti kapoioi ``kapelwnoyn'' h podhgetoyn toys maqhtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew oti den mporoyn kapoioi na to kanoyn. Den prepei. Einai aparadekto.

BLAXOS: A, einai aparadekto, den prepei. Alla, ginetai omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Kai lew, symplhrwmatika sth logikh mas skech, as afeqoyn oi maqhtes eleyqeroi mallon, ta sxoleia eleyqera. Mia bolta na kanete se kapoia sxoleia poy einai ypo katalhch aytes tis hmeres, qa diapistwsete oti yparxoyn kapoioi oi opoioi kleidwnoyn me loyketa kai me alysides tis portes gia na mhn mpoyn oi maqhtes. As afhsoyme loipon eleyqera. Milhsa proxqes molis - nomizw oti apeyqynomoyn ston k. Kakalh  gia to syntagmatiko dikaiwma aytwn oi opoioi qeloyn na parakoloyqhsoyn maqhmata. Den exoyn syntagmatiko dikaiwma aytoi na parakoloyqhsoyn; Yparxoyn ektimhseis. Eseis mporei na pisteyete oti einai perissoteroi aytoi poy den qeloyn. Egw pisteyw oti einai perissoteroi aytoi poy qeloyn.

BAGIANOS: Na rwthsw, ean yparxei epishmo aithma apo toys daskaloys enocei kai ths synanthshs ths Triths, gia meiwsh twn dosewn toy epidomatos aytoy. Kai ean yparxei, pws to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean yparxei, alla sas eipa pws h kybernhsh protiqetai, me bash ta oikonomika, na dwsei thn ayjhsh twn 105 eyrw to mhna stoys daskaloys. Bebaiws h kybernhsh den protiqetai na dwsei thn ayjhsh toy 47%, thn opoia zhtoyn epishs oi daskaloi, gia na mhn jexname ola ta aithmata.

KAKALHS: Exete kapoia sygkekrimena stoixeia oti oi oikodomoi kleinoyn ta sxoleia h oti oi maqhtes poy kanoyn thn katalhch den afhnoyn toys alloys symmaqhtes toys na mpoyn mesa h mhpws einai mia sykofantia se baros twn maqhtwn poy kanoyn tis katalhceis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti einai atelesforo to erwthma sas.

KAKALHS: Oxi, qelw stoixeia, sygkekrimena...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis eipa kati, eseis erxeste na me rwthsete ean exw sygkekrimena stoixeia h einai propagandistikh politikh. Egw sas eipa kapoia pragmata. Nomizw oti kaqe kalopistos Ellhnas poliths  kai yparxoyn polloi kalopistoi Ellhnes polites kai dhmosiografoi  phgainontas sta sxoleia, mporei na diapistwsei idiois ommasi kai idiois wsi to ti akribws symbainei ekei.

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto einai ena qema to opoio qelei ligh syzhthsh, giati yparxei h aisqhsh oti ginontai kapoies syneleyseis, lambanetai mia apofash me pleiochfia gia katalhch kai meta kleinei to sxoleio, mpainoyn ta loyketa, asxeta me to posoi symmetexoyn kaqhmerina h oxi. To amfisbhtei ayto h kybernhsh, ayth th dhmokratikh diadikasia sta sxoleia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa rwthsw, loipon, kai egw ayto poy rwthsa proxqes: Ean einai pleiochfia aytoi poy qeloyn na kanoyn katalhch, den xreiazetai katalhch. Dioti h pleiochfia den exei na fobhqei tipota. Apo th stigmh poy h pleiochfia den qelei na kanei maqhma, shmainei oti den yparxei kai logos na kleisoyn ta sxoleia. Etsi den einai; Ayto leei h logikh toylaxiston.

GKOYTZANHS: Na alla mporoyn pantote ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati xreiazetai, dhladh, ayto to piestiko meso;

GKOYTZANHS: Giati einai mia morfh agwna, thn opoia exoyn apofasisei oi maqhtes kai to kanoyn edw kai polla xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Janarwtw loipon: Oi maqhtes exoyn apofasisei ayth th morfh agwna - sthn pleiochfia toys opws pisteyete eseis - gia na sthrijoyn to aithma twn daskalwn na paroyn 105 eyrw to mhna, apo ton epomeno mhna kai na paroyn 47% ayjhsh sto misqo toys, para kaqe allh ayjhsh poy pairnoyn oi goneis twn idiwn twn maqhtwn poy einai dhmosioi h idiwtikoi ypallhloi. Ayto pisteyete; Oti oi maqhtes kleinoyn ta sxoleia giati symparistantai stoys daskaloys toys oi opoioi zhtoyn 105 eyrw to mhna - kai qa ta paroyn - kai oi opoioi zhtoyn 47% ayjhsh kai bebaiws den qa paei se kanena tetoio epipedo giati einai proklhsh pros oloys toys ergazomenoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygxeete diaforetika pragmata. Oi maqhtes twn lykeiwn kai twn gymnasiwn kanoyn kinhtopoihseis gia alloys logoys. Mporw na sas pw merikoys. O enas einai na mhn isxysei h bash toy 10 gia thn eisodo toys sta AEI kai TEI.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia th bash toy 10, opws gnwrizete, yparxei safhs topoqethsh. Einai desmeysh ths kybernhshs, exei ginei prajh hdh mia fora kai den prokeitai na allajei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Nai, alla exei afhsei apejw 44 xiliades maqhtes kai gi' ayto antidroyn.

SARANTAKOS: Sto keimeno poy dianeimate xqes gia thn omilia toy k. Karamanlh to 1999, o tote arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs elege metajy allwn kai ta ejhs: Prospaqei - h tote kybernhsh Shmith - ta qemata ths politikhs ths na ta strecei to ena enantion toy alloy. Na prokalesei sygkroysh metajy gonewn, maqhtwn, ekpaideytikwn, agnowntas oti h epilogh ayth afhnei pisw ths baqia traymata poy qa ta broyme oloi mprosta mas. Thn wra poy dinate eseis sth dhmosiothta ayto to keimeno, h k. Giannakoy elege oti h koinwnia qa toys stamathsei. Ekeinoys oi opoioi prokaloyn katalhceis k.l.p.. Ti ennoei h k. Giannakoy oti h koinwnia qa toys stamathsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy, katarxas, dhlwseis ths k. Giannakoy, giati akoysthke kai prohgoymenws gia dhlwseis ths k. Giannakoy. Egw den exw diabasei gia dhlwseis. Exw diabasei gia syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei. Kai ws ek toytoy den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na mpw sto sxoliasmo. Moy dinete omws thn eykairia na pw orismena pragmata ta opoia den epidexontai kamias amfisbhthshs, giati einai apla maqhmatika. Exw ena pinaka ton opoio kai qa sas dianeimw. Qa mporoyse na ton ftiajei o kaqenas ean hqele, prospaqwntas na diabasei ta teleytaia eji xronia toys proypologismoys kai ta posa poy phgainoyn sthn Paideia. Akoyste loipon na deite pws antilambanetai kaneis ta qemata ths Paideias sthn prajh kai oxi sta logia: To 1999 to proypologisqen poso gia thn Paideia htan 3 dis 827 ekatommyria. To katablhqen htan 3 dis 915. Dhladh, htan megalytero sto telos. Qa to deite ayto se polles periptwseis kai sta ypoloipa xronia. To 2000 proypologismos gia thn Paideia: 4 dis 206 ekatommyria, katablhqen poso 4 dis 224 ekatommyria. To 2001, proypologisqen poso 4 dis 483 ekatommyria, katablhqen, 4 dis 646 ekatommyria. To 2002, proypologisqen poso 4 dis 903 ekatommyria, katablhqen, 4 dis 928 ekatommyria. To 2003, proypologisqen poso, 5 dis 69 ekatommyria, katablhqen poso 5 dis 183 ekatommyria. Kai pame sto 2004, opoy ton proypologismo exei ftiajei h kybernhsh toy PASOK kai to katablhqen poso sth synexeia, opoio prokyptei, to edwse h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Htan loipon proypologismos, 5 dis 550 ekatommyria gia thn Paideia, kai doqhkan telika 5 dis 939 ekatommyria. To 2005, o proypologismos htan 6 dis 316 ekatommyria, kai doqhkan 6 dis 375 ekatommyria. Kai to 2006 o proypologismos gia thn Paideia einai 6 dis 911 ekatommyria. Dhladh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias ayjhse ta kondylia gia thn Paideia apo to Martio toy 2004 mexri fetos  se dyomisi xronia dhladh  kata 1 dis 411 ekatommyria eyrw. Enw sthn 6etia poy sas anefera 1999  2004  sto 2004 milaw gia ton proypologismo poy eixe ftiajei to PASOK - proeblepe kai eixe ayjhsei ta kondylia gia thn Paideia kata 1 dis 635 ekatommyria. Ena dis 635 ekatommyria ayjhsh se eji xronia, 1 dis 411 ekatommyria ayjhsh se dyo xronia. Ayto deixnei  den ta exw, alla nomizw oti einai poly eykolo na kanei kaneis ypologismoys  se apolytoys ariqmoys poios pragmatika endiaferetai na dwsei perissotera xrhmata sthn Paideia. Den kanw sygkrish gia na kathgorhsw thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, alla otan kapoioi prospaqoyn na kathgorhsoyn th shmerinh kybernhsh oti exei ypotimhsei thn Paideia h opoia htan kai paramenei to yp' ariqmon ena zhthma ths politikhs mas, tote qa prepei na exoyn ypoch toys toys akribeis aytoys ariqmoys. To na dwseis epipleon sthn Paideia ws kybernhsh, me tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn sthn oikonomikh katastash, 1 dis 411 ekatommyria se dyo xronia otan o prohgoymenos se eji xronia eixe dwsei 1 dis 635 ekatommyria, ayto kati leei sthn prajh h mallon leei polla sthn prajh.

SPYRAKH: Na sas rwthsw an kata thn apoch sas einai fraseologia poy prepei na yioqetei h kybernhsh, h antilhch oti einai fasistikh nootropia na yparxei diamartyria kai kleisimo twn dromwn kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs toy arqroy 16 toy Syntagmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat' arxas den nomizw oti yparxei tetoia topoqethsh apo stelexos ths kybernhshs. Se o,ti afora to erwthma ayto kaq' eayto - an htan to erwthma sas mono gi' ayto kai den ypainisseto kai kati allo - qa sas pw oti to Syntagma mas katoxyrwnei me safhneia thn eleyqeria ths ekfrashs eite symfwnei kapoios eite diafwnei.

KALARITHS: Yphrje mia diapragmateysh peran twn zhthmatwn oysias yparxei to qema toy klimatos ths atmosfairas sto dialogo. Sto dialogo twra ths kybernhshs me toys daskaloys, toys ekpaideytikoys, ektimate oti oi topoqethseis ths k. Giannakoy bohqoyn se ayto to dialogo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei sto erwthma.

MANH: Exei oloklhrwqei o dialogos gia tis metarryqmiseis sthn Anwtath Ekpaideysh; H kybernhsh protiqetai na ferei to nomosxedio sth Boylh amesa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei oloklhrwqei kai ayto einai ena akoma stoixeio apo th xqesinh omilia poy sas moirasa gia to ti shmainei adiallajia kai ti oxi. Giati mia kybernhsh h opoia mphke hdh ston 24o mhna diaboyleysewn gia thn Paideia, monon kybernhsh adiallajias den mporei na einai.

SARANTAKOS: Yparxei periptwsh h kybernhsh na janaskefqei na janaejetasei to endexomeno meiwshs twn dosewn, ws mia kinhsh kalhs qelhshs apenanti stoys ekpaideytikoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka prin apo pente lepta gia to idio qema.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs. Stis synenteyjeis poy exete dwsei ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy, prin kanete ayth th synenteyjh ton exete enhmerwsei ti qa peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean exw enhmerwsei, ennoeite ws politikos, kapoion ti qa pw; Den to katalabainw.

BLAXOS: Otan sas exei kalesei o k. Xatzhnikolaoy se synenteyjh otan ginate politikos. Prin kanete ayth th synenteyjh exete enhmerwsei ton k. Xatzhnikolaoy ti qa peite kai exete desmeyqei apenanti toy oti ayto poy ton enhmerwnete qa to peite kai sthn ekpomph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw oti ws dhmosiografos eikosi xronia, oydepote zhthsa kapoion na moy pei ti qelw na pei sth synenteyjh, oyte kai edwsa pote tis erwthseis moy. Apo thn allh pleyra, otan breqhka sthn politikh edw kai eji xronia, sebomai to dikaiwma toy dhmosiografoy na erwta xwris prohgoymenws na me exei enhmerwsei ti qa me rwthsei.

BLAXOS: Pws einai loipon dynaton na kathgoreite ena kanali kai na pairnei ena prostimo 500 xiliadwn eyrw gia kati poy eipe enas kalesmenos sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn toy kanalioy, opws htan o k. Makhs Triantafyllopoylos th sygkekrimenh mera. Kai ean qewreite oti ayto to prostimo twn 500 xiliadwn eyrw, poy den exei janaginei sto parelqon, einai mia emmesh logokrisia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws ek toy qesmikoy moy roloy ofeilw na sas pw oti yparxei to Syntagma to opoio katoxyrwnei thn Anejarthth Arxh, th leitoyrgia ths Anejarthths Arxhs, toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorasews. Opws gnwrizete, se kamia periptwsh sto parelqon, de proebhn se sxoliasmo apofasewn ths. To idio qa prajw kai twra.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla den endiaferei ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo kai armodio gia ta MME otan mia Anejarthth Arxh yperpollaplasiazei to prostimo gia ena sygkekrimeno ariqmo kai oysiastika odhgei se mia emmesh logokrisia; Dhladh apo edw kai pera o k. Xatzhnikolaoy kai o kaqe paroysiasths deltioy eidhsewn qa prepei na kanei mia symfwnia gia to ti qa pei, dioti exei to fobo na pei kati parapanw o proskeklhmenos toy kai thn epomenh hmera na prepei na katabalei ena toso megalo poso;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa diaxwrisoyme ta pragmata. Nomizw oti sto ena kommati exw hdh apanthsei legontas sas oti ek toy qesmikoy roloy moy h qesh moy htan ayth kai qa parameinei ayth se opoiadhpote periptwsh exei na kanei me apofaseis mias Anejarthths Arxhs. Ayto to epraja sto parelqon, to prattw kai twra aparegklita. Kata ta loipa, epeidh moy kanate mia erwthsh h opoia yperbainei to sygkekrimeno qema, qa sas pw - opws eipa kai prohgoymenws se synadelfo sas gia to syntagmatiko dikaiwma toy na omilei kaneis - oti yparxei h eleyqeria ths gnwmhs, yparxei kai h dynatothta toy dhmosiografoy na stoixeioqetei ayta ta opoia leei. Kata synepeia, den exei na fobhqei tipota o dhmosiografos stoixeioqetwntas ayta poy leei.

BLAXOS: Den sas afora to gegonos oti to ERS ebale prostimo sta idiwtika kanalia epeidh edeijan, ayto poy deijate eseis san kybernhsh dhladh, toys treis kathgoroymenoys ths MEBGAL me alysides, giati h kybernhsh toys odhghse mprosta stis kameres gia na deijei oti einai aysthrh sthn patajh ths diafqoras, enw thn idia wra sta kratika kanalia, poy edeijan to idio plano  giati ayto hqele h kybernhsh  edwse aplws parathrhsh. Ayto den einai dyo metra kai dyo staqma; Ayto einai syntagmatiko, einai dhmokratiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate kai pali na krinw thn apofash mias Anejarthths Arxhs.

BLAXOS: Dhmokratia exoyme kyrie Ekproswpe, den mporeite na krinete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai exoyme Dhmokratia, alla qa prepei o kaqenas sebomenos ton qesmiko toy rolo, na sebetai to Syntagma kai na to akoloyqei. Egw exw orkisqei sto Syntagma ws boyleyths. Eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, sas dhlwnw kai pali, opws exw dhlwsei pleistakis sto parelqon se antistoixes periptwseis, oti h Anejarthth Arxh, einai anejarthth kata to Syntagma. Den sxoliazw tis apofaseis.

BLAXOS: Pws einai dynaton na einai anejarthth kai na rixnei prostimo se idiwtika kanalia kai na dinei parathrhsh sta kratika kanalia; Ayto einai dhmokratiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na apanthsw sta erwthmata ta opoia qetete gia to logo poy sas eipa. Oxi gia kanenan allo logo.

SARANTAKOS: Qewreite oti oi ypoyrgoi oi opoioi einai kai melh, boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, pareixan thn apaitoymenh politikh sthrijh stoys ypochfioys toy kybernwntos kommatos poy se treis hmeres exoyn mprosta toys mia anametrhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h kybernhsh, opws polles fores exei eipwqei apo ola ta stelexh ths, exei jexwrisei thn kybernhtikh apo thn kommatikh drasthriothta.

SARANTAKOS: Oi ypoyrgoi omws poy einai boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, eklegontai me thn chfo twn Neodhmokratwn, etsi den einai; Qelw na pw an mpainoyn sthn eklogikh diadikasia ws boyleytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantasthka oti qa sas kalypte h apanthsh moy, alla afoy den sas kalyptei den exw para na thn epanalabw.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti h adiallakth stash ths kybernhshs apenanti sta dikaia aithmata twn kaqhghtwn den qa metrhsei stis kalpes ths Kyriakhs; Den qa apotelesei, dhladh, krithrio chfoy genikotera h stash ths kybernhshs apenanti sta qemata ths Paideias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ypeiselqw sthn antilhch peri dikaioy, giati qa anoijei nea koybenta. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn to dikaiwma na chfisoyn ayto poy qewroyn kalytero gia ton topo toys. Mhn jexname oti einai nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges. Einai ekloges topikhs Aytodioikhshs kai ta krithria twn politwn einai synhqws krithria aytoy toy eidoys. Egw den qa pw tipote, oyte dikaioymai na ephreasw kanenan. Oi Ellhnes polites qa apofasisoyn me kaqarh th syneidhsh kai eleyqero to pneyma.

BLAXOS: H paratajiakh sas syneidhsh sas epitrepei na sxoliasete to gegonos oti tesseris hmeres prin apo tis ekloges, thn perasmenh Trith, o k. Soyflias dexqhke sto grafeio toy toys ypochfioys gia thn ypernomarxia Gennhmata, Sgoyro kai Mixa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa, hdh, ston k. Sarantako. Nomizw oti ayto ypainisseto otan rwtoyse.

BLAXOS: Emena einai pio kaqarh h erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti einai allo pragma h kybernhtikh kai allo h kommatikh drasthriothta.

XRHSTAKOS: Pera apo ta eswterika, exoyme kai shmantikes ejelijeis se o,ti afora thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias. Me aformh kai thn prosfath episkech ths k. Mpakogiannh sth Leykwsia opoy syzhthse me ton Kyprio Proedro k. Papadopoylo, opws h idia eipe, gia th xarajh mias koinhs strathgikhs sto epomeno krisimo diasthma kai epishs me aformh thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn epomenh ebdomada sto Laxti, yparxei kapoia allagh h protiqetai h kybernhsh na epanejetasei th stash ths apenanti sthn Toyrkia h mexri teloys qa sthrizoyme thn eyrwpaikh ths prooptikh, opws exei dhlwsei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn oi teleytaies dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

POYLIDOY: Shmera, oi Galloi boyleytes chfisan enan nomo poy poinikopoiei thn anagnwrish ths armenikhs genoktonias. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean qewreite oti einai mia kalh idea h chfish enos tetoioy nomoy h ean qewreite oti einai mia ejelijh poy dhmioyrgei orismenes anhsyxies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Qa moy epitrecete prwta na enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw. (To YPEJ exei topoqethqei epi toy qematos).

KOTTARIDHS: O k. Namik Tan, o ekproswpos toy toyrkikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, xqes, orgismenos profanws apo to ellhniko kai kypriako beto stis Bryjelles, kalese thn ellhnikh pleyra na asxoleitai anti me ta sidhrodromika atyxhmata me ta aeroporika dystyxhmata, parapempontas profanws sto dystyxhma ths Karpaqoy. Pisteyete oti ayth h dhlwsh bohqa sto dimeres kalo klima poy paei na dhmioyrghqei enocei kai ths episkechs Gkioyl sthn Aqhna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei topoqethqei to YPEJ. Den qa sxoliasw kai egw.

SPYRAKH: Epeidh diakinhqhkan kapoies fhmes oti h kybernhsh exei sto trapezi panta anoikto to endexomeno ths epistrateyshs twn daskalwn. Gnwrizw oti to exete diaceysei epaneilhmmena, aplws to qetw giati einai kainoyrgio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h idia apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Asxeta me to poios ftaiei, oi polites den einai ypoxrewmenoi na kaqontai na skeftontai poios ftaiei kai poios oxi. Ta sxoleia einai kleista gia tesseris ebdomades, phgainoyn gia pempth, ta gymnasia arxizoyn na exoyn katalhceis kai oi maqhtes na xanoyn maqhmata. Sta panepisthmia oi foithtes exasan didaktikes wres thn prohgoymenh xronia kai problepetai na xasoyn kai fetos. Qa dwsei kapoia lysh h kybernhsh asxetws eyqynwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth Dhmokratia, apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, einai h eyqynh poy krinetai metajy allwn. H eyqynh toy polith.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla kai to apotelesma; Prepei na kanoyn maqhma ta paidia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto lew. To idio pragma leme. Xairomai poy hrqate sta logia moy.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla oi lyseis anazhtoyntai apo thn kybernhsh se mia dhmokratikh Politeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ti allo na pei. Sas diabasa akribws ton tropo me ton opoio qa doqoyn oi ayjhseis, xrono me to xrono, stoys daskaloys. Sas eipa oti h ayjhsh toy 47% den mporei na doqei, giati den nomizw oti kapoios Ellhnas poliths dianoeitai na zhthsei 47% ayjhsh kai na qewrei oti exei piqanothtes epityxias me opoiadhpote kybernhsh. Den einai logiko. Pws na to kanoyme; Eseis qa dianohqeite na zhthsete pote apo thn efhmerida sas 50% ayjhsh, oso kalos dhmosiografos kai na eiste; Nomizw oti den qa to tolmhsete kan.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai me rwtate, omws, mporw na sas apanthsw oti exei th dynatothta h kybernhsh kai to eixe pei kai dhmosiws o k. Alogoskoyfhs, prin apo th DEQ, na dwsei ayto to epidoma se treis doseis. Ara, exei kapoia oikonomikh dynatothta. Giati den thn ejantlei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas apedeija, molis shmera, me kapoia stoixeia, h kybernhsh exei ayjhsei kata poly toys apolytoys ariqmoys gia thn Paideia. H ayjhsh ayth exei paei se mia seira apo draseis. Bebaiws, exei paei kai gia thn ayjhsh twn misqwn twn kaqhghtwn h twn daskalwn -giati den einai mono oi daskaloi, einai kai oi kaqhghtes meshs ekpaideyshs kai oi kaqhghtes panepisthmiwn- alla se ena megalo pososto phgainei stis draseis gia thn Paideia, eite einai gia biblia, eite gia kalytereysh twn synqhkwn, eite gia tis diadikasies poy dhmioyrgoyn pio antagwnistiko periballon gia ta ellhnika panepisthmia. Einai pantws xrhmata ta opoia exoyn doqei synolika yper ths Paideias. Den mporei na afaireqoyn apo to synolo gia na pane se mia drash. Ayth einai h dynatothta toy proypologismoy, ayth einai h politikh poy exoyme pei jekaqara oti akoloyqoyme, zhtwntas apo toys daskaloys na to katanohsoyn ayto.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla oi apolytoi ariqmoi kryboyn oti se sxesh me to AEP oi dapanes gia thn Paideia meiwnontai diarkws, anti na ayjanontai pros to 5%. Fetos, phge sto 3% sxedon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai. Ean to AEP ayjanetai kai o ariqmos menei o idios, qa emfanizetai ayto poy lete eseis, meiwsh. Gi` ayto epeleja na sas dwsw toys apolytoys ariqmoys, oi opoioi den amfisbhtoyntai. Giati to pososto, opws eipate, exei na kanei me kapoia bash. O apolytos ariqmos, omws, einai apolytos. Einai tosa disekatommyria epipleon gia thn Paideia.

KAKALHS: H desmeysh htan gia 5% ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia thn Paideia se sxesh me to AEP.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exoyme syzhthsei to qema. Den lew oxi se ayto poy lete. Allo sas lew. Deixnw sthn prajh oti ayth h kybernhsh den eipe kati kai to afhse, oti exei dwsei hdh ena dis tosa ekatommyria, perissotera apo o,ti proeblepe o proypologismos kai kyriws exei dwsei ayto to poso se dyo xronia, otan sxedon to idio poso doqhke se eji xronia epi prohgoymenhs kybernhsews.

MELIGKWNHS: Milhsate prin, ean qymamai kala, gia 24 mhnes dialogoy, sxetika me th diamorfwsh toy nomoy plaisioy gia ta AEI. Poses fores, omws, exoyn katsei sto idio trapezi oi emplekomenoi foreis; Dhladh, poses synedriaseis exoyn ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena kalo qema gia reportaz. Qa sas epanalabw ayto poy eipa edw, prin apo liges hmeres: Yparxoyn para polles fwnes gia dialogo kai akoygontai apo oles tis pleyres. Qa prepei oles oi pleyres poy miloyn gia dialogo sta thleoptika paraqyra h stis plateies twn diadhlwsewn -kai kala kanoyn kai miloyn- na to ennooyn kai sthn prajh. Dioti aifnhs qa diapistwsate, efoson asxolhqhkate me to reportaz, oti h armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, poy kalese se dialogo, eide na proserxetai mono mia politikh neolaia, h DAP. H PASP esteile ena ypomnhma. Den kaqise na syzhthsei me toys boyleytes, ws na apajiwnei na syzhthsei me toys ekproswpoys toy ellhnikoy eqnoys. Sthn armodia Epitroph oi boyleytes einai apo oles tis paratajeis. Alles de neolaies den emfanisthkan kaqoloy, oyte di` ypomnhmatos. 'H kapoioi ennooyn, loipon, ton dialogo otan ton lene kai ton brontofwnazoyn kai prospaqoyn na apodeijoyn oti h kybernhsh einai adiallakth giati den kaqetai na syzhthsei h aplws to lene gia na kanoyn entypwsh. Kai mallon einai to deytero.

GKOYTZANHS: Se politikh monajia einai h kybernhsh, etsi opws mas to perigrafete;

MANH: Exei graftei tis teleytaies hmeres se polla dhmosieymata kai den exei diaceystei oti to oikonomiko epiteleio diabebaiwnei pws mporoyn oi eji ejamhniaies doseis na ginoyn treis ethsies. Malista, mia xarakthristikh frash koryfaioy stelexoys einai oti den qa gkremistei o proypologismos ean oi eji ginoyn treis ethsies. Synepws, o logos poy den ypoxwrei h kybernhsh, afoy yparxei oikonomikh dynatothta, einai profanws to politiko kostos. Opws mas lene xarakthristika polloi synadelfoi sas ypoyrgoi, ean ypoxwrhsoyme shmera stoys daskaloys, qa bgei stoys dromoys olo to Dhmosio. Aytos einai o logos, giati epikaleiste tis antoxes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla to idio to oikonomiko epiteleio leei oti ``mporoyn''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Erxomai eyqarsws apenanti sas ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, milw me onomatepwnymo kai lew sygkekrimena pragmata, ta opoia den epidexontai amfisbhthsews. Genikws kai aoristws, h epiklhsh phgwn, eite apo to a' , to b', to g' ypoyrgeio, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den me kanei na ypokycw ston opoiondhpote peirasmo na sxoliasw otidhpote.

LEONTITSH: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos ejhggeile ena poly megalo paketo apo to D' K.P.S., to opoio malista qa paei sthn perifereia. Sto sxedio, omws, proypologismoy poy katateqhke sth Boylh, den katagrafetai poyqena sxedon paroysia twn xrhmatodothsewn apo to D' K.P.S. Dhladh, den problepei eisroes. Mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, den katalaba ti me rwthsate.

LEONTITSH: Den problepontai eisroes apo to D' K.P.S., enw o Prwqypoyrgos ejhggeile xqes ena poly gennaio paketo, to opoio qa paei sthn perifereia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai gnwsto oti qa jekinhsei to paketo na dinetai sthn perifereia kai se olh thn Ellada apo ton epomeno xrono. Ayto poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, einai oti to 82% apofasisthke na paei sthn perifereia kai to ypoloipo 18% sthn Attikh. Den exw kati perissotero na sas pw.

LEONTITSH: Giati den problepontai eisroes ston proypologismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ayto poy me rwtate. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.


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