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Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA EPIKOINWNIAS

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 16 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 35506797

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 16 Oktwbrioy 2006

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs kalese shmera ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, k. Prokoph Paylopoylo kai ton synexarh qerma gia thn acogh diejagwgh twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn. Ofeiloyme na sygxaroyme kai na eyxaristhsoyme oloys osoi synebalan sthn omalh diejagwgh ths chfoforias: Ta stelexh toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, to proswpiko twn Organismwn Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, prwtoy kai deyteroy baqmoy, ta stelexh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai twn Swmatwn Asfaleias. Pisteyoyme oti kai thn epomenh Kyriakh, h eklogikh diadikasia qa diejaxqei to idio omala.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti oi ekloges ypagoreyoyn sthn kybernhsh na synexisei th strathgikh ths. Ayth h dhlwsh einai pros timhn kai ths akommatisths, akhdemoneyths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs; Bebaia, analoges dhlwseis ekanan kai oi alloi politikoi arxhgoi, alla den exoyme toys ekproswpoys toys edw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai, giati sas jafniazei;

SIDERHS: Giati h Topikh Aytodioikhsh qa prepei na einai anejarthth kai qewrhtika einai anejarthth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai einai.

SIDERHS: Se allo shmeio, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sthn anejarthsia ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Th diabasate oloklhrh th dhlwsh;

SIDERHS: Bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Wraia. Na sas thn janadiabasw;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos milaei sth dhlwsh toy jekaqara gia th sygkekrimenh strathgikh, legontas gia strathgikh poy einai makria apo thn polwsh, strathgikh poy einai makria apo ojythtes. Paramenoyme staqeroi, loipon, sth strathgikh ths mh polwshs kai ths mh ojythtas. Staqeroi sthn apoch oti oi polites chfizoyn me aytodioikhtika krithria kai ara oi ekloges ths aytodioikhshs den prosferontai gia paixnidi entypwsewn. Shmainei ypeyqynothta -einai xarakthristika h frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy amesws meta th frash peri strathgikhs- shmainei oti menoyme makria apo politikes polwshs kai ojythtas.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa na dinete sygxarhthria se tosoys polloys. Dinete sygxarhthria kai ston Giwrgo Papandreoy, o opoios me tis epiloges toy se orismenoys dhmoys kai nomarxies sas dieykolyne na eiste shmera ikanopoihmenoi;

BLAXOS: Ekloges qa kanete poy to zhthse o k. Papandreoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, molis xqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe: ``Ekloges to 2008''.

BLAXOS: Alla, meta zhthse o k. Papandreoy ekloges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei tipota.

BLAXOS: Den qa toy kanei to xatiri.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws apotima h kybernhsh to apotelesma twn eklogwn se nomarxiako epipedo, me bash to oti se oloys toys nomoys ths xwras eixe dwsei to kybernwn komma th sthrijh toy se sygkekrimena proswpa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei, hdh, mia dhlwsh o Prwqypoyrgos - opws sas eipa - gia tis dhmotikes ekloges. Egw den qa hqela na pw perissotera pragmata. Den prepei na kommatikopoihqoyn aytes oi ekloges kai to exoyme pei apo thn arxh. An hqele kaneis na kommatikopoihsei tis ekloges, qa eprepe na milhsei gia mia megalh plhqwra nomarxiwn, oi opoies ejelejan ypochfioys poy sthrixthkan apo to kybernwn komma. Alla, den qa probw se kamia peraiterw dhlwsh gi' ayto to qema.

XIWTHS: Proseja oti sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, epishmane oti eginan kai laqh. Anarwtiemai, prwta - prwta poia einai ayta ta laqh poy anefere o Prwqypoyrgos kai deyteron, an ayta ta laqh diagrafontai apo to eklogiko apotelesma h einai laqh poy qa odhghsoyn se meriko epanasxediasmo ths strathgikhs toy gia epimeroys zhthmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to an diagrafontai, opws eipate: Oxi bebaiws, dioti tote qa htan safes oti ekmetalleyetai kapoios to eklogiko apotelesma. Den to kanei ayto h kybernhsh, den to ekane o Prwqypoyrgos me th dhlwsh toy kai jekaqarisa, me aformh thn erwthsh kai toy k. Siderh, poia htan akribws h frash se sxesh me th strathgikh mas. O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe aplws oti den diekdikoyme to alaqhto. Diekdikoyme to kalytero. To exoyme pei polles fores ews twra: Kanoyme thn aytokritikh mas diarkws, dexomaste thn kritikh apo oloys toys alloys. Yparxei panta to kalytero kai aytos einai o diarkhs stoxos ths kybernhshs. Kai ypogrammise oti h synolikh politikh mas einai orqh. Oti h politikh mas fernei apta apotelesmata. Oti basikos ajonas ths kateyqynshs thn opoia prepei na akoloyqhsoyme kai pali, oxi ejaitias h ej aformhs twn apotelesmatwn, alla giati ayth einai h politikh mas - ayth thn politikh exoyn epilejei oi Ellhnes polites stis eqnikes ekloges - einai oi allages kai oi metarryqmiseis. Oti oi allages kai oi metarryqmiseis synexizontai.

XIWTHS: Zhthsa epishs an mporeite na moy ejeidikeysete poia einai ayta ta laqh kai epeidh den to kanete, qa prospaqhsw na to kanw egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Laqh den paradexetai opoios den exei diaqesh gia symplhrwseis kai beltiwseis. Emeis exoyme diaqesh gia beltiwseis kai symplhrwseis sthn politikh mas, gia aytokritikh thn opoia exoyme dhlwsei polles fores. Kai en pash periptwsei, sth zwh den yparxei anqrwpos o opoios na mhn kanei laqh. Mia kybernhsh meta apo dyomisi xronia, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, exei kanei sigoyra kai kapoia laqh. Shmasia exei poia einai h kateyqynsh soy, ean einai h orqh kateyqynsh kai an ayth h kateyqynsh einai poy shmatodotei to stoxo.

XIWTHS: De sas kanw kritikh gia ta laqh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den me enoxlei h kritikh.

XIWTHS: Lew aplws oti apofeygete na ta ejeidikeysete, gi' ayto qa moy epitrecete na staqw egw se ena. Qewrei h kybernhsh laqos thn toso adiallakth stash poy edeije, toylaxiston mexri shmera, sta aithmata twn ekpaideytikwn; Epeidh yparxei mia synanthsh thn Tetarth me thn Ypoyrgo Paideias, ekei h kybernhsh mhpws skeftetai oti isws prepei kapoy, estw kai elaxista na ypoxwrhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me thn erwthsh sas moy dinete aplws thn eykairia na epanalabw, gia mia akomh fora, thn paraklhsh thn opoia apo ayto to bhma exw hdh apeyqynei pros toys daskaloys dyo fores: Na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia, dioti pisteyw oti den yparxei kanenas se ayton topo poy na mh sebetai to leitoyrghma toy daskaloy, thn prosfora thn opoia exoyn oi daskaloi. Oloi mas kanoyme anafores, stis idiwtikes mas syzhthseis, kai anqrwpoi se opoiadhpote hlikia, stoys kaloys mas daskaloys. Ara loipon einai bebaio oti h prosfora einai poly shmantikh, oxi mono giati to lew egw, alla giati pisteyw oti kaqe Ellhnas poliths, kaqe poliths toy kosmoy kanei anafora sto daskalo toy gia mia oloklhrh zwh. Moy dinete thn eykairia na epanalabw einai oti qa prepei na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia, na mh xasoyn alla maqhmata oi maqhtes, dioti h kybernhsh, opws jekaqara exei pei - kai den to exei pei apo kamia diaqesh egwismoy, to exei pei analyontas ta dedomena, ta stoixeia - oti den mporei se ayth th fash na akoloyqhsei allh oikonomikh politikh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa epimeinw sto erwthma toy synadelfoy: Peste mas ena laqos poy exei kanei ayta ta dyomisi xronia ayth h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

SARANTAKOS: O k. Soyflias xqes se dhlwsh toy, meta thn askhsh toy eklogikoy toy dikaiwmatos eipe oti dyskoleyetai na ermhneysei toys logoys gia thn epiqesh poy dexetai apo ena etero koryfaio ypoyrgo ths kybernhshs ton k. Meimarakh. Eseis to exete ermhneysei, h kybernhsh exei ermhneysei giati symbainei ayth h antallagh aixmwn metajy dyo koryfaiwn ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na sas pw, to exw pei hdh edw kai arketes hmeres sto press room. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite, alla yparxei ejelijh sto gegonos, me dhlwseis koryfaiwn ypoyrgwn. Dhladh, h dhlwsh poy exete kanei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada pleon einai prin apo ta gegonota. Exei jeperastei. Exei milhsei gia olisqhro dromo poy leei o enas oti akoloyqei o allos. Mizera pragmata...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi' ayto lew shmera poy me rwtate oti den qa pw tipota perissotero apo ta osa eipa thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Den krinw skopimo na pw tipota perissotero.

SARANTAKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me toys ypoyrgoys, prokeimenoy na diapistwsei o idios poio einai to zhthma... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai synexws me toys ypoyrgoys toy kai to gnwrizete.

KAKALHS: Pws o Prwqypoyrgos metra ws chfo yper twn metarryqmisewn mia chfo poy kaq' olh th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy zhtoyse na doqei me aytodioikhtika krithria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, molis ayto ejhghsa prohgoymenws sthn prwth erwthsh poy ekane o k. Siderhs.

KAKALHS: Ma, den eixe dwsei kanena dhmochfismatiko xarakthra sto nohma twn eklogwn aytwn yper h kata twn metarryqmisewn o Prwqypoyrgos. Eixe zhthsei na chfisoyme me aytodioikhtika krithria. Kai jafnika metrhse thn chfo yper twn metarryqmisewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Ekeino to opoio lew einai ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Poia einai h epilogh mas poy einai dedomenh. Diabaste th dhlwsh. Gi' ayto eipa an qelete na sas thn janadiabasw, an den thn exete mprosta sas. Leei, loipon, oti oi shmerines ekloges ypagoreyoyn sthn kybernhsh na synexisei th strathgikh ths. Me ayth th strathgikh poreyomaste kai etsi qa poreyqoyme mexri tis eqnikes ekloges toy 2008. Sto dromo ayto h epilogh mas einai dedomenh: H ypeyqynothta. Menoyme makria apo politikes polwshs kai ojythtas, makria apo anejodoys laikismoys. Oi fanatismoi exoyn ypoxwrhsei. Perasan oi epoxes ths polwshs kai ths steiras antiparaqeshs kai ayto einai qetikh ejelijh gia thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias mas. Einai safhs h anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto poia strathgikh ennoei otan milaei gia thn ypeyqynothta: Thn apofygh ths polwshs. Den ekmetalleyetai kanenas ta apotelesmata. Alimono!

BLAXOS: Zhtate apo toys daskaloys na akoysoyn thn paraklhsh sas na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia. Eseis akoyte th dikh toys paraklhsh na dwsete se mia, dyo h treis to poly doseis to epidoma twn 105 eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti katelhja, legontas prohgoymenws oti oi dynatothtes ths oikonomias einai sygkekrimenes. Exoyn analyqei. Dhladh, den einai jafnika kati to opoio anekyce sth zwh toy topoy, mia oikonomikh katastash dyskolh. Anekyce, opws to gnwrizoyme, apo ta pragmatika stoixeia ths oikonomias, ta opoia den gnwrizoyn mono oi Ellhnes polites, ta gnwrizei kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Yparxei, loipon, mia politikh sthn oikonomia thn opoia akoloyqoyme me staqerothta. Ayth h politikh sthn oikonomia epitrepei orismenes kinhseis. Den epitrepei poly perissoteres. Einai kapoios o opoios den qa hqele na eixe teleiwsei ayto to qema me thn apodosh amesws twn 105 eyrw, gia ta opoia allwste politika exei desmeyqei h kybernhsh, apo thn periodo poy htan sthn antipoliteysh to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias; Den yparxei kaneis poy na mhn to hqele ayto. Omws, h anagkh ths oikonomias mas ypagoreyei na kinhqoyme me ena sygkekrimeno tropo. Kai aytos o sygkekrimenos tropos den ginetai eidika gia toys daskaloys. Den ginetai dhladh kat' ejairesh gia na epitimhqei mia kathgoria sympolitwn mas, twn opoiwn to leitoyrghma, to epaggelma sebontai oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Kai opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, to sebontai oi polites pagkosmiws, akribws logw ths aitias, ths idiaiterothtas toy roloy toys.

BLAXOS: Pantws kai h anagkh ths koinwnias gia na anoijoyn ta sxoleia apaitei efoson zhtate na eisakoystei h paraklhsh sas kai eseis na akoysete thn paraklhsh mias megalhs omadas. Sth Dhmokratia den einai mono na epibalei h kybernhsh stoys alloys ti prepei na kanoyn. Prepei kai h kybernhsh na afoygkrastei kai gia na lyqei to problhma na kanei ena bhma pisw. Einai aplo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste: Ean kapoios sas zhta na toy dwsete xrhmata kai eseis den ta exete, den mporei na sas kathgorhsei giati den toy ta dinete. Epanalambanw einai mia yposxesh, mia desmeysh - kai xrhsimopoiw ton oro desmeysh giati exei poly pio baria politikh ajia- ths Neas Dhmokratias apo thn periodo ths antipoliteyshs. Enwpion sas, eyqarsws, to exoyme pei polles fores. Enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy to exoyme pei polles fores. To gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. Ayth h desmeysh mporei na ginei pragmatikothta me enan sygkekrimeno tropo. Ta pragmata sthn oikonomia einai akoma arketa dyskola. Me ayton ton sygkekrimeno tropo mporei ayth h desmeysh na ginei pragmatikothta. To eipame eyqarsws, den krycame tipota. Ekeino loipon poy exei shmasia -kai gi' ayto to epanalambanw kai shmera- einai na katanohqei kai apo thn allh pleyra oti den prokeitai gia kapoia idiaiterothta edw, opoy h kybernhsh den qelei eidika stoys daskaloys na dwsei to epidoma. Alimono. Alla prokeitai gia mia sygkekrimenh apotypwsh ths oikonomias thn opoia exoyme kanei oloi mas kai thn jerete. Den einai dhladh mia idiaiterh periptwsh opoy symperiferetai diaforetika h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Na sas qymisw k. Ekproswpe oti to '99 o k. Karamanlhs eixe kathgorhsei ton k. Shmith oti epideiknyontas adiallajia sto qema ths Paideias deixnei politika adynamos. Aplws ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti eimai egw ekeinos poy sas edwse thn omilia toy nyn Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai sas thn edwsa oloklhrh akribws gia na exete thn eykairia na kanete tis sygkriseis. Kai sas qymizw oti exw hdh milhsei gia to qema ayto apo thn perasmenh ebdomada. H logikh loipon thn opoia sas anaptyssw pisteyw oti einai jekaqarh pros oloys toys Ellhnes polites kai fysika kai stoys daskaloys.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas qymizw oti h k. Giannakoy exei pei pws o tropos me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn oi ekpaideytikoi, synista mia anentimh katastash. Exei pei epishs oti an antidrasoyn dynamika otan syzhteitai to arqro 16 ayto synista fasistikh nootropia. Kai epishs exei kanei dhlwseis poy leei oti den epiqymoyn na ergastoyn perissotero kai den epiqymoyn na ajiologhqoyn. Nomizete oti dhmioyrgoyn ayta ena plaisio synennohshs me toys ekpaideytikoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta dyo prwta ta lete eseis, den ta exei pei h Ypoyrgos Paideias. Se o,ti afora to trito, to qema ths ajiologhshs, pisteyw oti den yparxei Ellhnas poliths - h en pash periptwsei h pleiochfia twn politwn - poy na mhn dexetai oti prepei na ginei ajiologhsh. H ajiologhsh exei na kanei me thn poiothta twn spoydwn, me thn poiothta twn panepisthmiwn mas. Eida kai egw sta aithmata twn daskalwn oti yparxei to zhthma ths ajiologhshs h to zhthma toy arqroy 16, na mhn allajei to arqro 16. Omws edw exoyme na kanoyme me mia sygkekrimenh politikh: H kybernhsh den hrqe ek twn ysterwn kai aifnhs gia na pei oti ``qa allajw to arqro 16''. Einai mia politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias peran ths 10etias. Einai gnwsth h politikh. Thn ebale sto programma ths. Ayth thn politikh thn chfisan oi Ellhnes polites. Kai en pash periptwsei, yparxei kai mia adhritos anagkh sthn epoxh mas, se mia epoxh sklhroy antagwnismoy se pagkosmio epipedo -den einai mono panelladiko zhthma, einai paneyrwpaiko, einai pagkosmio to epipedo- na mporesoyme na enisxysoyme tis spoydes sta panepisthmia etsi wste ta ptyxia twn panepisthmiwn na einai ths ajias poy toys armozei na einai, giati kai kaloys kaqhghtes exoyme kai kaloys foithtes exoyme, kalo dynamiko. To 2010 sas qymizw oti einai mia xronikh stigmh sthn opoia ypoxreoyntai oles oi xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na exoyn proxwrhsei diadikasies ajiologhshs. Qa meinoyme pisw; Antilambanomai oti kapoioi mporei na exoyn diaforetikh antilhch. Alla qa meinoyme pisw se ayto to opoio emeis exoyme synomologhsei, ws xwra, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai to opoio blepoyme na ektylissetai, qa to afhsoyme na ektylissetai makria apo emas; Oxi bebaia.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws to oti arneiste pws aytes tis dhlwseis ths exei kanei h k. Giannakoy, tis opoies ekane otan htan parontes polloi dhmosiografoi, mallon synista mia emmesh apodokimasia twn dhlwsewn ths Ypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanate ena sxolio epi mias jekaqarhs apanthsews moy. Den to dexomai.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh apo o,ti katalabainw den blepete na yparxoyn periqwria ypoxwrhshs apenanti sta aithmata twn daskalwn apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, anarwtiemai ti nohma exei h dhlwsh poy ekane xqes to brady h k. Giannakoy ston ALPHA oti otan pas se mia diapragmateysh prepei kati na dwseis. Einai h k. Giannakoy ektos grammhs telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa poly kai shmera kai den exw kamia antirrhsh na synexisoyme na syzhtoyme gia poly wra gia thn Paideia me poly sygkekrimenes qeseis. Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh poy moy anaferete. Den gnwrizw thn akribh diatypwsh ths. Kamia fora mia syzhthsh mporei na metaferqei -oxi apo skopimothta, gia na mhn parejhghqw- me mia tetoia apoxrwsh poy na alloiwnei h na diaforopoiei to pragmatiko periexomeno mias dhlwshs. Den qelw na ypeiselqw -kai spaniws to kanw, nomizw oti den to exw kanei sxedon pote se ayth thn aiqoysa- se krish epi kapoiwn dhlwsewn poy moy exoyn metaferqei, me olo ton sebasmo se esas kai to leitoyrghma sas.

SIDERHS: H arxikh moy erwthsh den htan me kritikh mono pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Htan gi` ayto to xali poy paroysiase xqes h politikh zwh. Prin kan milhsoyn oi ypochfioi poy ebgainan, bghkan oi politikoi arxhgoi. Qelw na rwthsw, pote kai ti kanate eseis gi` ayto. Na pacei o topikh Aytodioikhsh na einai imantas prosporismoy chfwn twn kommatwn kai na afeqei sthn anejarthsia ths. Ayto to nohma eixe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na dexqw th dieykrinish sas. Bebaiws, den th zhthsa, alla en pash periptwsei sto pote kai to ti kaname emeis, to exw pei toses fores. To exei deijei, me prajeis pia, to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn gia to ti ekane gia thn pragmatika akhdemoneyth topikh Aytodioikhsh. Einai para polla  ta exei pei o k. Paylopoylos polles fores- alla qa sas anaferw ena: Ftiaxthke epiteloys enas eniaios logariasmos gia na gnwrizoyn kai oi arxontes ths topikhs kai ths nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs ta xrhmata poy phgainoyn apo to kentriko kratos pros aytoys. Qa sas anaferw, omws, kai ena deytero, to opoio einai poly prosfato: Pososto anw toy 50% apo to 82% twn xrhmatwn toy D' K.P.S. poy proorizetai gia thn perifereia, qa to diaxeiristoyn oi anqrwpoi ekeinoi poy ejeleghsan xqes kai qa eklegoyn kai thn allh Kyriakh.

SPYRAKH: Xqes, o k. Meimarakhs emfanisthke sthn ekpomph toy MEGA gia tis ekloges kai epanefere ayto to qema poy eixe qesei kai me ton k. Soyflia gia th mh eparkh sthrijh ypochfiwn poy ypedeije to kybernwn komma. Qa hqela na rwthsw, pws synolika h kybernhsh apotima th sthrijh poy pareixan oi ypoyrgoi stoys kommatikoys ypochfioys ana thn epikrateia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prepei na pw oti me eyfyh, dia ths allhs portas, tropo prospaqeite na epanaferete ena qema gia to opoio hdh exw apanthsei.

XIWTHS: Qa prospaqhsw na to ejeidikeysw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To idio;

XIWTHS: Nai. Stis teleytaies eklogikes anametrhseis gia tis dhmotikes ekloges h Nea Dhmokratia katorqwne na eklejei toys ypochfioys ths stoys treis megalyteroys dhmoys ths xwras. Ayth thn Kyriakh to katorqwse mono sthn Aqhna, exase ton Peiraia kai sth Qessalonikh akoma diekdikei. Ayto gia sas, gia thn kybernhsh, ti mhnyma sas dinei; Poio einai to politiko mhnyma poy pairnete apo ayth thn ejelijh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei arketes dhlwseis gia to qema ayto apo thn arxh. Den qa pw tipote perissotero. Den to krinw skopimo na pw tipote perissotero, idiws apantwntas se erwthsh h opoia memonwmena epilegei orismena stoixeia poy mporei na dhmioyrgoyn mia diaforetikh eikona apo ayth poy gnwrizoyn kai apotypwnoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Gia paradeigma, yphrxan ektimhseis apo dhmoskophseis, oi opoies, se o,ti afora thn proqesh chfoy, edinan jekaqara apotelesmata.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta ychla pososta apoxhs, ta opoia parathrhqhkan se aytes tis ekloges. Oi polites gyrisan thn plath toys stoys ypochfioys; Gyrisan thn plath toys sta kommata poy sthrijan toys ypochfioys; Anhsyxei ayto thn kybernhsh; Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti qewroyn oi polites pws oloi einai idioi kai ara den pame na epilejoyme metajy twn idiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa elega pws kai se aytes tis ekloges prwtagwnisthse -kai exete dikio se ayto- h apoxh. Wstoso, me bash ta stoixeia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, ta opoia qa dwsei o k. Paylopoylos, se ligh wra, se synenteyjh toy stoys armodioys syntaktes, h apoxh kinhqhke akribws sta idia pososta me to 2002. Me mia mikrh epifylajh sas lew oti to 2002 htan 28,6% kai twra einai 28,5%. Alla, prepei na katametrhqoyn alla 600-650 tmhmata poy menoyn se olh thn Ellada. Dhladh, den yparxei diafora metajy twn prohgoymenwn dhmotikwn eklogwn kai twra. Wstoso, exete dikio sthn epishmansh sas oti h apoxh einai prwtagwnisths, pragma to opoio den mporei na eyxaristei kanenan. Oxi toso giati einai ypoxrewtikh h chfos, alla kyriws dioti h symmetoxh sta koina, apo arxaiotatwn xronwn se ayth th xwra, orize thn ennoia toy polith.

SARANTAKOS: Pws to ejhgeite ayto; Den moy eipate. Moy eipate oti lypaste ws kybernhsh poy yparxei tetoia apoxh, alla pws to ejhgeite ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa edina mia genikh ejhghsh, giati den mporw na kanw ayth thn ektimhsh, bazontas sthn idia moira oloys osoi apofasisan na mhn pane na chfisoyn.

KAKALHS: Genikotera sto eklogiko apotelesma, h kybernhsh diakrinei kapoy na yparxei dysareskeia gia tis epiloges ths kai thn politikh ths h antistoixa mporei na blepei kapoia epibrabeysh stis epiloges ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei eidikotera me alloy eidoys diatypwseis sto idio erwthma.

MPALHS: Afoy h Aytodioikhsh prepei na einai akommatisth, giati den pairnei h kybernhsh mia prwtoboylia na ferei mia protash, wste na mh dinetai sthrigma se ypochfioys para mono stis prwteyoyses twn nomwn kai tis nomarxies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti h kybernhsh elabe mia poly shmantikh prwtoboylia, h opoia bohqa sthn kateyqynsh ayth kai einai h eisagwgh toy 42%. Dhladh, ths ekloghs eite toy dhmotikoy, eite toy nomarxiakoy arxonta apo thn prwth Kyriakh, efoson symplhrwsei to pososto toy 42%. Prokeitai gia mia poly shmantikh allagh sta pragmata ths nomarxiakhs kai ths topikhs Aytodioikhshs poy bohqa sthn kateyqynsh ayth poy lete, syn ola ta alla qetika poy exei dwsei.

SIDERHS: Sas glitwse apo entypwseis ayto to 42%.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti prepei na paizei kaneis me entypwseis, giati gnwrizete oti me entypwseis prospaqoyn apo o,ti blepw na paijoyn alloi edw kai kairo, alla telika oi parodikes entypwseis den einai o kalyteros symboylos.

POYLIDOY: Epeidh milame gia entypwseis, xqes se dyo toylaxiston kanalia eida diamartyries gia thn argh roh apotelesmatwn apo to kentriko ypologisth toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai gia lanqasmenh xrhsh twn xrwmatwn sto xarth ths Elladas. Fantazomai oti yparxoyn kapoies ejhghseis. Mhpws tis exete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean blepame ta idia kanalia. Egw eida poly ligo, logw ths pieshs.

POYLIDOY: Na sas pw, MEGA, ANT-1.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na moy peite ta onomata twn kanaliwn. Eida kapoia stigmh ton k. Drymiwth -o opoios ekproswpei thn etaireia poy edw kai 25-26 xronia bgazei ta apotelesmata, katametrwntas ta osa stelnontai apo ta eklogika tmhmata- na apanta kai sta dyo qemata poy lete. Malista, se o,ti afora thn katametrhsh, moy ekane entypwsh oti me stoixeia sygkekrimenhs wras, thn wra poy bghke gyrw stis 12 para, ligo prin ta mesanyxta, sygkrinontas ta me to 2002, htan peripoy kata 40% ayjhmenh h roh twn apotelesmatwn fetos.

BLAXOS: Erwthsh prwth: Thlefwnhqhke o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Papagewrgopoylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw pws nai. Den to gnwrizw, omws. Prepei na sas eipan xqes apo to grafeio Typoy.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Me ton k. Agrapidh mas eipan. Me ton k. Cwmiadh thlefwnhqhke na toy pei sygxarhthria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me pianete aparaskeyo. Qa koitajw na enhmerwqei to grafeio Typoy kai na sas dwsei mia synolikh eikona.

Sas eyxaristw.


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